Nigel Kerner - Gray Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls

[Approaching Infinity]

I know I said I am leaving. However I do not want to go without showing you something I regard very important, something that seems to be a big blind spot in all of you, which now is ready to be shown, thanks to the kindness of Laura who has posted the main Kerner ideas and of course Cass material, channeled by herself.

Rofo6850 talks about the need for self-criticism, yet all his responses are egotistic. "I am right. Let me show you the error of your ways."

There is no manipulation nor bad intentions on my side, only hope to contribute to help you see where I believe you are going wrong. It is my own unconscious the one who urges me to make this post.

Again, a LACK of self-criticism, urged by "unconscious" forces. And of course, a reassurance that he is NOT manipulating and has only good intentions. All signs of a strong false personality dominating interactions here.

This is in line with The Work, exactly as postulated by Gurdjieff regarding self-exploration, self-criticism and self-knowledge, the detection, acknowledgment and bringing to consciousness of all kind of programs we have built-in.

And yet rofo doesn't demonstrate any of the above; says one thing and demonstrates another.

Well, this is enough. It is CLEARLY SHOWN in Cass material who Aryans really are. Too it is clearly shown where the “religious madness” of the Middle East really come from, who are the “teachers”. All the evidence points to Aryan groups, they are the engineers and the implementers of violence in this world.

Simplistic and stereotyped ideation.

There is something very wrong in this picture. How it happened? I only can speculate, I think it has to do with blind spots and programs. We all tend to defend our own people and civilization, what we know and what we think we are. It is not easy to recognize mistakes and failures.

All of which reads somewhat superficial. Is rofo implying that members here cannot admit the mistakes and failures of our fellow Caucasians (if we are Caucasians)?

This is the reason I post this message, hopefully it will lead someone to a self-exploration and criticism. I am aware that most probably I will receive a huge load of accusations, insults and rudeness, this is to expect, these are all defense mechanisms.

Again, somewhat superficial and naively idealistic. Writing off criticisms as "defense mechanisms".

PD: regarding the “fear” you have of my Avatar, you must know our eyes, as part of our physical senses, are the less reliable instruments of “seeing”. All physical senses have certain programs built-in and show reality as it is programmed in them, not necessarily what is really outside. You are a group that claim be in search of transcendent realities and claim knowledge of esoteric topics, it is not me who has to tell you that the real seeing is done via the heart and mind, what is currently known as third eye. You should not fear my eyeless Avatar, it symbolizes precisely this.

All well and good. But the image is still odd and disturbing. I'm reminded of the following, from Ponerology:

The most frequently indicated and long-known of these is the asthenic psycho-
pathy, which appears in every conceivable intensity, from barely perceptible to an
obvious pathological deficiency.

These people, asthenic and hypersensitive, do not indicate the same glaring
deficit in moral feeling and ability to sense a psychological situation as do essen-
tial psychopaths. They are somewhat idealistic and tend to have superficial pangs
of conscience as a result of their faulty behavior.

On the average, they are also less intelligent than normal people, and their
mind avoids consistency and accuracy in reasoning. Their psychological world
view is clearly falsified, so their opinions about people can never be trusted. A
kind of mask cloaks the world of their personal aspirations, which is at variance
with what they are actually capable of doing. Their behavior towards people who
do not notice their faults is urbane, even friendly; however, the same people mani-
fest a preemptive hostility and aggression against persons who have a talent for
psychology, or demonstrate knowledge in this field.

The asthenic psychopath is relatively less vital sexually and is therefore ame-
nable to accepting celibacy; that is why some Catholic monks and priests often
represent lesser or minor cases of this anomaly. Such individuals may very likely
have inspired the anti-psychological attitude traditional in Church thinking.

The more severe cases are more brutally anti-psychological and contemptuous
of normal people; they tend to be active in the processes of the genesis of evil on a
larger scale. Their dreams are composed of a certain idealism similar to the ideas
of normal people. They would like to reform the world to their liking but are un-
able to foresee more far-reaching implications and results. Spiced by deviance,
their visions may influence naive rebels or people who have suffered injustice.
Existing social injustice may look like a justification for a radicalized world view
and the assimilation of such visions.

 

[FireShadow]

I agree with an important point Mona show. I think there is something wrong with human nature, no distinctions made. The problem does not end in psychopathy, each one of us can do everything psychopats do easily if we lack two main traits, compassion and empathy.

Here he goes again. He says no it is not just psychopathy, it is anyone who lacks compassion and empathy (definition of psychopath, I think). So it is not just psychopathy, it is also psychopathy...???

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I agree with an important point Mona show. I think there is something wrong with human nature, no distinctions made. The problem does not end in psychopathy, each one of us can do everything psychopats do easily if we lack two main traits, compassion and empathy.

Here he goes again. He says no it is not just psychopathy, it is anyone who lacks compassion and empathy (definition of psychopath, I think). So it is not just psychopathy, it is also psychopathy...???

Hmm.

Their poor sense of psychological situation and reality leads them to
superimpose erroneous, pejorative interpretations upon other people’s intentions.
They easily become involved in activities which are ostensibly moral, but which
actually inflict damage upon themselves and others. Their impoverished psycho-
logical worldview makes them typically pessimistic regarding human nature. We
frequently find expressions of their characteristic attitudes in their statements and
writings: “Human nature is so bad that order in human society can only be main-
tained by a strong power created by highly qualified individuals in the name of
some higher idea.” Let us call this typical expression the “schizoid declaration”.

 

[RyanX]

On the question of "Who are the Semites" and the excerpts that Laura posted from SHOTW, I think this is finally starting to make sense to me now.

It's amazing that having read the book, SHOTW, a few years back, I'm finding so many things that went completely over my head the first time I read it. I really gotta hand it to Laura for putting this book together.

Anyways, with the original topic of Neanderthals and the possible interbreeding of them with Cro-Magnum man and the possibly connection to Jewish psychopaths, this caused me to revisit this question of "who are the Semites?" From a very dry legalistic meaning, the word really makes no sense. Reed talks about this in regards to the name "Jew" in Controversy of Zion, but the definition of "Semite" is equally convoluted.

It seems that the working hypothesis is that there are two threads of humanity here, both wrapped up under the title "Semite" or "Jew". I think this post from Approaching Infinity from many years ago just recently summed up these things really well for me:

Laura, you have said that the Sephardic Jews are the 'real' Jews, and also that the Aryans are the 'real' Semites. Trying to tie the threads together, I come up with the following:

Abraham was a Hittite, and thus a 'Northern' Aryan (like Sargon). This "Abrahamic" line are the carriers of the 4D 'Trojan Horse' gene encoding. These are the Semites that 4D STS want to eliminate. Unless real 'Jews' and real 'Semites' are different classifications, then it seems that by 'mixing the bloodlines' (with the tribes that migrated to Judea during the Thera cataclysm), this group may survive in the Sephardim/Palestinians.

Then there are the 'other' Aryans, who are NOT 'real' Jews: the Ashkenazim (from the Turks/Khazars). By adopting Jewish religion and culture, they have 'evolved' in a nature described by MacDonald for intelligence, or more likely, psychopathy. Judaism is such that those with the "Perseid" bloodline (passed on via mtDNA, from unknown founding 'mothers') are stunted via first circuit programming/circumcision/etc, and those with the psychopathic bloodline breed more psychopaths and become more ponerized.

The Pathocracy, thru Hitler's plan, destroyed many Sephardic Jews. The modern Pathocracy, thru plans for population reduction, intend to eliminate as many 'normal' humans as possible. Included in these will most definitely be those "Semites" with 4D encoding.

Is this a somewhat accurate summary of the working hypothesis?

The above might not make that much sense unless you've read SHOTW. Like I said, I had read it years ago and it's only been this week that these pieces finally made sense to me! When I read this post from AI above all of a sudden everything fell into place in my head.

It always bothered me that Judiasm is an extremely male dominated religion, yet "Jewishness" is defined in the female genetic line. Trying to reconcile these two facts seemed impossible to me until now. There are basically two sets of widely differing genetic lines that hold the claim to the name "Semite". I could see this in the simplistic sense regarding the fact that most Jews that migrated to Palestine after WWII were more European (Ashkenazim) than Semitic (Arab), but I didn't understand the depth to which this whole hyperdimensional dance between these two groups really goes.

Sorry if this is old news for some people here, but this all kind of hit me over the head this week.

 

[shijing]

Sorry if this is old news for some people here, but this all kind of hit me over the head this week.

I thought AI actually wrote a handy summary there, RyanX, so thanks for posting it.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Sorry if this is old news for some people here, but this all kind of hit me over the head this week.

I thought AI actually wrote a handy summary there, RyanX, so thanks for posting it.

Yeah, that is a pretty concise summary. Of course the details are also very important, which made the recaps from SHOTW posted by Laura so valuable. It really helped to refresh all this in yet another context, all growing out of / spun off from the Neanderthal Legacy thread. And I gotta agree that reading SHOTW several times would be a great idea as overall understanding has grown. But I've only read it in it's entirety once and read sections (sometimes out of sequence) several times.

One thing that always makes me smile is that many of these episodes on the forum (no matter the real motivation / intention of rofo or similar posters) really help me (and not just those who may be new to this Work or those who encounter it in the future) in unexpected ways to consolidate my studies and understanding of so many interrelated issues that are really very large to chew and digest at one go.

One more thing, and it's related to psychological projection, rofo makes several references to "our conclusions" but we are still sifting through data, using working hypotheses, and NOT drawing hard and fast FINAL conclusions, which is more than can be said for rofo. The attitude of showing "us our errors" is amusing because we try to consider things very carefully before we come to any conclusions. I mean, there are many people who are not genetically pathological who have participated in all manner of atrocities and are doing so presently. But when all is said and done, and the dust clears and the blood dries, so to speak, these are broken people who will suffer from the burden of their conscience for the rest of their lives, UNLIKE the genetically pathological small minority.

 

[FireShadow]

I agree with an important point Mona show. I think there is something wrong with human nature, no distinctions made. The problem does not end in psychopathy, each one of us can do everything psychopats do easily if we lack two main traits, compassion and empathy.

Here he goes again. He says no it is not just psychopathy, it is anyone who lacks compassion and empathy (definition of psychopath, I think). So it is not just psychopathy, it is also psychopathy...???

But then, perhaps he meant this: When people give up their free will to belief (in religion or other ideology) they can easily be made to believe that the atrocity they are being asked to commit is actually "the right thing to do". So in effect, they do still possess their compassion and empathy, but it has become neutralized in the service of their ideology. Perhaps rofo merely perceives the neutralization of empathy/compassion as a lack of same. Effectively they do lack empathy/compassion, or seem to.

But, note that the only way people of conscience are capable of those atrocities is when they give up their will to "belief" in a religion or ideology that is used by pathologicals to get them to commit those atrocities.

On a side note:

I am often amazed at how pondering on one thing can lead to greater understanding of something else.

As I pondered this thread, I sort of "free-associated" on:

-People who give up their will in belief of an ideology, of the "authoritarians" who obey authority no matter what. of how this has always baffled me. Then, I realized they have faith in power. They trust it to protect them. They seek it. They worship it, so they follow and obey.

-My long struggle with faith. I have long been convinced that I do not have faith. I tried to have faith, but because so many people talk of faith in connection to various religions I always associated faith with belief

-My difficulties with belief. Belief was not something I could just decide to do, though I did try many times. And yes, I can be convinced of things (even erroneous things), and in being convinced, I can believe. But if reality does not conform, my belief breaks down. And, so I continued to think this meant I had no faith.

-Some things I remember being told. A friend of mine once told me that yes, I do have faith, it is Love. Until now, I did not understand what she meant. And, a mentor once spoke about "path of power vs path of love". Then, I remembered the C's talk of love as knowledge and how knowledge protects...I realized I do have faith.

I have faith in knowledge. I seek it. If I am correct in my new understanding, I have almost always trusted knowledge over power. Not to say I have always possessed accurate knowledge, but I have valued it and trusted it over power. Oh yes, I have certainly fallen under sway of power on various occasions, but eventually it falls apart for me. In the end, knowledge wins for me.

Wow. For me this was profound.

And so in a way, rofo has helped me, though perhaps not in the way he/she intended.

 

[Joe]

Now tell me, why Europeans support their governments involvement in Nato enterprises in the Third World?

I have some guesses, economical interests, securiry interests, and the new "gods" of modern world, "democracy and freedom", which of course are only for the dominant part of the world.

You see, not always is the madness of religion the suitable means of control for people, it is culturally dependant.

You asked me to clarify my ideas with respect, I answer you, as I have answered all the posts I thought were worth to answer.

I think there is a major idea that you are missing. Europeans do not support their governments and involvement in NATO etc. That is to say, they do not support the TRUE nature of their governments and involvement in NATO etc because they DO NOT KNOW IT! Are you aware of the extent of the lies and propaganda that are (and have been for many decades) directed at peoples of Western nations? Western peoples DO NOT WANT WAR! They DO NOT WANT imperialism. Most Western people are anti-war and pro-peace. The ONLY reason that they support the psychopathic enterprises of their leaders is because they have been supremely lied to about the real nature of what is being done in their name so far away.

 

[ark]

each one of us can do everything psychopats do easily if we lack two main traits, compassion and empathy.

Each of us can do what Mozart did if we have his main trait - his talent and genius.

That is your reasoning. Do you see the problem?

 

[darktown]

Hi, Ark

Your comparison doesn`t makes much sense. rofo talked about “lacking” some very important and common traits, traits that should be present in all humans, traits that arise from the neo-cortex, a brainy dispositive all humans have. Traits that maybe are lost for not being used, you know, all kinds of capabilities are lost if we do not make use of them enough time, not only physicals, also psychological and mental.

You, instead, talk of some very rare and scant traits, more properly a “gift” one in a million subjects has, the “genius” gene.
You talk about something we all DO NOT have, only a negligible percentage of population does. rofo talks about something we all should have, but many have lost. I am afraid the differences are huge.

For some reason it seems many, many humans tend to “put to sleep” compassion and empathy. Maybe the causes are the demands this world put upon us, the culture we live in “specially Westerns” and, why not, your own forum teachings” promoting minds without hearts. It is enough to see how some of your own members are punished for showing consideration and compassion for other fellows in this sinking ships we live in.

This phenomena of leaving behind qualities that characterizes we as humans does not need the concourse of psychopats (your own new created “demons”) to occur. It is arising from normal humans everywhere. rofo was right to observe the problem doesn’t end in psychopathy, but there is something wrong with all of us.

Aside from demonizing the purported 6% of psychos all around the world, such a model does no good to our understanding of human evil. It leaves a big part of the picture out of consideration. Our shadow keeps unrecognized and doing his job.

I wonder why rofo himself has not answered yet…I hope he wasn’t kicked out. If this were the case you wouldn’t be addressing him in your answer, you should know he can’t answer…or … would you?

BTW, what happened to the brainwave post, the one rofo refers to in this post?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18760.msg178162#msg178162

Also removed? Mmm…bad, quite bad.

 

[Laura]

BTW, what happened to the brainwave post, the one rofo refers to in this post?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18760.msg178162#msg178162

Also removed? Mmm…bad, quite bad.

No, not removed. It's in the original thread that was created to discuss the scientific research on Neanderthals that ROFO bogarted. It's here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18696.msg177360#msg177360

 

[ark]

Hi, Ark

Your comparison doesn`t makes much sense. rofo talked about “lacking” some very important and common traits, traits that should be present in all humans, traits that arise from the neo-cortex, a brainy dispositive all humans have. Traits that maybe are lost for not being used, you know, all kinds of capabilities are lost if we do not make use of them enough time, not only physicals, also psychological and mental.

You, instead, talk of some very rare and scant traits, more properly a “gift” one in a million subjects has, the “genius” gene.
You talk about something we all DO NOT have, only a negligible percentage of population does. rofo talks about something we all should have, but many have lost. I am afraid the differences are huge.

Exactly. You got it. Even if you do not realize it. That's the whole point. If one is hardwired one way then it is impossible to act as one would be hardwired another way. You can try to fake it, but it will be a poor fake. You just have a different wiring.
Like I have a different wiring than Mozart had, so I can't really fake Mozart.
If you are hardwired with compassion you cannot fake lack of compassion. Well, you can try - but it is not gonna work.

 

[StrangeCaptain]

Coming to a theatre near you!!! rofo II: The Revenge... Don't miss it!!!

OK... Pardon my levity... It is just funny to me how this thread keeps popping up.

Hi, Ark

Your comparison doesn`t makes much sense. rofo talked about “lacking” some very important and common traits, traits that should be present in all humans, traits that arise from the neo-cortex, a brainy dispositive all humans have. Traits that maybe are lost for not being used, you know, all kinds of capabilities are lost if we do not make use of them enough time, not only physicals, also psychological and mental.

You, instead, talk of some very rare and scant traits, more properly a “gift” one in a million subjects has, the “genius” gene.
You talk about something we all DO NOT have, only a negligible percentage of population does. rofo talks about something we all should have, but many have lost. I am afraid the differences are huge.

In the case of psychopaths you either have them or you don't. By "them," I mean compassion and empathy, or more accurately, the potential to develop such traits.

For some reason it seems many, many humans tend to “put to sleep” compassion and empathy. Maybe the causes are the demands this world put upon us, the culture we live in “specially Westerns” and, why not, your own forum teachings” promoting minds without hearts. It is enough to see how some of your own members are punished for showing consideration and compassion for other fellows in this sinking ships we live in.

This phenomena of leaving behind qualities that characterizes we as humans does not need the concourse of psychopats (your own new created “demons”) to occur. It is arising from normal humans everywhere. rofo was right to observe the problem doesn’t end in psychopathy, but there is something wrong with all of us.

Aside from demonizing the purported 6% of psychos all around the world, such a model does no good to our understanding of human evil. It leaves a big part of the picture out of consideration. Our shadow keeps unrecognized and doing his job.

Actually, quite a bit of time has been dedicated to the evil in the other 94% of humanity. For example, the book "The Narcissistic Family" discusses this rather thoroughly.

I don't think our point is that if one could remove psychopaths with the blink of an eye then all problems in the world would be gone. Because of free will, humans will always have a choice to serve lower emotional and physical impulses and their potential for extreme self-centeredness. Our point is that the presence of psychopathy in the halls of power is a massive influence that is almost COMPLETELY ignored whereas much thought has been devoted to the genesis of evil in "average" humans. Because of the work of folks like Lobaczewski, we do suspect that work on the lower impulses of regular humans will be basically useless until the effect of psychopathy on society in general is well understood. Psychopaths in positions of power tend to create a playing field that benefits their own skill set, and thus, "average" humans have to develop cheating strategies to cope and survive. It just so happens that the human soul is razed in the process of adapting to this type of environment.

I don't mean to be rude, but are you another person who is going to challenge the conclusions of our research without understanding the developmental materials that are their foundation?

 

[ana]

For some reason it seems many, many humans tend to “put to sleep” compassion and empathy. Maybe the causes are the demands this world put upon us, the culture we live in “specially Westerns” and, why not, your own forum teachings” promoting minds without hearts.It is enough to see how some of your own members are punished for showing consideration and compassion for other fellows in this sinking ships we live in.

Can your first interaction in this forum be considered as an act of conscience, the source of empathy and compassion?

7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Please go else where to impart lessons empty of being and EXAMPLE.

 

[RyanX]

For some reason it seems many, many humans tend to “put to sleep” compassion and empathy. Maybe the causes are the demands this world put upon us, the culture we live in “specially Westerns” and, why not, your own forum teachings” promoting minds without hearts. It is enough to see how some of your own members are punished for showing consideration and compassion for other fellows in this sinking ships we live in.

What do you suggest? That we make room for all pathological viewpoints and then get lost in the mud? How is that showing compassion for others?

This phenomena of leaving behind qualities that characterizes we as humans does not need the concourse of psychopats (your own new created “demons”) to occur. It is arising from normal humans everywhere. rofo was right to observe the problem doesn’t end in psychopathy, but there is something wrong with all of us.

Nobody is saying that all evil deeds are done by psychopaths. But psychopaths are the root of evil. Can you see the difference?

Aside from demonizing the purported 6% of psychos all around the world, such a model does no good to our understanding of human evil. It leaves a big part of the picture out of consideration. Our shadow keeps unrecognized and doing his job.

You obviously haven't studied what others on this forum have written. This statement just sounds foolish for those of us who have taken the time to read the material here.

I wonder why rofo himself has not answered yet…I hope he wasn’t kicked out. If this were the case you wouldn’t be addressing him in your answer, you should know he can’t answer…or … would you?

BTW, what happened to the brainwave post, the one rofo refers to in this post?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18760.msg178162#msg178162

Also removed? Mmm…bad, quite bad.

rofo was rude, condescending and maintained an attitude of wanting to teach everyone here a lesson, just as you're doing right now. Do you see how this isn't constructive behavior? I have no idea if he is gone or not, but I hope he will take the time to review what he wrote and the feedback people gave him. He might learn a valuable lesson.