Normalcy Bias: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Esote said:
EmeraldHope said:
Esote said:
Nienna Eluch said:
You gain nothing by being hand-fed answers like giving candy to children.
Thank you Nienna Eluch for your reply.
I'm sure not waiting for hand-fed answers!
Understanding is what matters, and I feel the urge to keep Working to understand that information...




But can you see, that you were asking or exactly that here when the hint was given by Laura, but that you wanted a shortcut from the 'work" that hint suggested?


Would anybody else be able to add a few hints about my remarks?Because it takes some time to read everything and assimilate it!And I guess the answers might be useful for those who didn't read everything yet...

Well, I didn't look for a shortcut but only for clarification. Because of a few arguments in this thread which seemed to me kind of shortcuts themselves.
Now, if this clarification is best done through learning the C's material, because of its basic nature or so, let's go...
Does this help to clarify your questions:

A considerate and time/energy saving option is to use the search button at the top of this page. This will lead to posts which discuss your topic of interest. Once you have searched through them and your question is not answered, then you post and share your thoughts/questions.

This is all outlined in the Newbies section on the forum. Please reread it to familiarise yourself better and in that way show more external consideration for all the work that has already been done by the forum mods/members.We would really appreciate it.

Read the recommended list of books. The C's transcripts can too easily be taken out of context without this prior knowledge.
Oh, and have fun learning. :)
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Hi Esote,

From my experience, there are a few tools I have learned to use reading this forum.
Some are:
1) A Dictionary.
2) The forum search function.
3) http://cassiopaea.org/
4) http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php

'Tis good asking others to clarify their thoughts, but definitions/concepts are to be learned. After doing research and still having difficulty understanding a definitions/concept, the ask. We are here for discussion.
:) :) :)

edit: addendum - And here is the link I found years ago that introduced me into this Work...
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Thank you stellar and Al Today for your answers.
I'll be back in a few years (decades?), once I got through understanding all the knowledge in the C's material...
(Kidding time) :bye: ;)
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Esote said:
Esote said:
Well, I'd like to have a better understanding with this thread:

I don't really hold to the statement that "Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet". As far as I can see, there are many actions here and there, mainly on small scales, but still quite a lot of people are doing something, giving a helping hand to altruistic projects, seeking truths (what about this forum?)...

Sure we need to get prepared to whatever comes and to know how our brain works. But is not trying to save oneself mostly kind of a selfish point of view?

I don't know about any non-abusive educational systems. But anywhere there are people who get beyond "not knowing anything different"...

Comments welcomed
Laura said:
Esote, have you read 1) Amazing Grace; 2) The Wave; 3) High Strangeness?? All of them in their entirety?

How about the recommended reading list in the Books section of the forum? How many of those can you tick off the list?

The point is, until you are up to speed, don't jump into the deep end of the pool.
Would anybody else be able to add a few hints about my remarks?
Because it takes some time to read everything and assimilate it!
And I guess the answers might be useful for those who didn't read everything yet...

Hi Esote. Are you reading topic titles too literally? Could a majority of people think like this topic title suggests? If so, could it be possible for those individuals to be a wider target audience for this thread for purposes of discussing "normalcy bias" as a possible active factor in people's daily life?

To me, "normalcy bias" seems to be suggested here as one possible problem that could be preventing the implementation of solutions for improving all our life contexts. It makes sense to me, but so does the image of a frog in a pot of water having heat slowly turned up while he's distracted by all his toys and gadgets. :)

Hope that helps.
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Thank you Buddy, your answer allows me to see that there is some sort of subtleness in this forum that I was missing.
I like your image of the frog, which is a way of understanding that we must step out from our comfort zone if we want to evolve...
 
Psychology of Survival - Ray Mears (youtube)

Psychology of survival - Ray Mears

This is available on you tube in 3 parts:

Part 1: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbwQErohYiw&feature=relmfu
Part 2: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJr8PPi_M94&feature=relmfu
Part 3:_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asJps5FLvQE

(10 mins each approx) and is presented by well known bush craft expert (in the UK at least) Ray Mears, who begins the programme asking:

“What is the most critical factor when it comes to surviving in a hostile environment?”

There are three main real life examples that clearly show that the answer is - the mind, and a couple of experts offer their views.

“It doesn’t matter how well your body is functioning, essentially if we’re talking survival, it is the mind that keeps you alive.”
Dr John Leach, Lancaster University

“Survival is psychology, because your head is what makes the decisions about how you perceive the threat that you’re faced with and whether you’re going to approach it with a realistic optimism or whether you’ll feel overwhelmed and quit and perish.”
Col. Bruce Jessen, US Forces psychologist

Part 1 highlights the two different approaches (mindsets) by the occupants of two life rafts with identical provisions, following the capsizing of their fishing boat.

Also, following the 1996 hijacking of an Ethiopian plane, which later crashes into the sea, the subject of denial and consequences of panic driven decision making (many died from drowning not impact injuries, as they had inflated their life jackets before the crash) are discussed.

“the problem with denial is that it prevents us from taking the basic actions that are required to survive.” Dr J. L

In parts 2 and 3, the extraordinary survival of the Wortman family is examined, following a boating trip in S.E. Alaska. Ray Mears uses the acronym, STOP, to explain how the family acted and how effective the strategy is in an emergency situation:

S - Stop, don’t panic
T - Think about your situation
O - Orientate yourself
P - Plan

He concludes, “We all of us, at some point in our lives find events spiralling out of control, at those times, its not what you know that counts but how you apply it.”

The true life examples presented in this programme, together with the fictional experiences in Terry Nations’ The Survivors TV series, can give us a valuable insight into our own respective situations and learning opportunities, past as well as present, and how we act(ed) or react(ed).

Personally after watching it, I vividly remembered a traumatic childhood memory of being stranded on a cliff on the West coast of Ireland, with an incoming tide. Although I was really scared, I had to shout at and slap my brothers face as he went into panic mode. After that he showed considerable bravery to stand on my shoulders on a narrow ledge and climb up and get the rescue team. I had nightmares about it for several months after, and despite being assertive then I have also reacted with fear in other situations. Consequently I try not to suffer from ’wishful thinking’ and assume I will have clarity of mind in any given situation. The follies of youth indeed, or rather, it was the lack of perception of the potential danger.

Yet sometimes even with a sense of awareness and armed with knowledge some still choose to live in a “hostile environment”.

In the recent thread, ‘Winter storm threatens East coast? Batten down the hatches’ Anart asked the question (page 21):

“I'm wondering if this storm has convinced any of you who reside in NY/NJ metropolitan areas to get the heck out of Dodge before whatever hits next?”

And responded to a few forum members:

“It sounds rather like you're all under the effect of the frequency fence - you are not reacting to an immediate threat in a normal way, the passivity of your reactions is quite noteworthy:

Quote from: 102304

Q: (Galahad) What is the major problem facing the group at the moment?

A: Stalling frequency waves.

Q: What can we do to jump-start the group?

A: Requires will and knowledge. You share, they find will if it is there to find.

Q: (A) What kind of knowledge do we need to share?

A: That their lack of ability to see and do is due to deliberate stalling.

Q: (Galahad) Can you elaborate?

A: They are in a frequency fence being stored for later food.

Q: (A) Are we also in a fence? Or, are we different?

A: Quite.

Q: We are quite different?

A: Yes.

Q: What makes us different?

A: Seeing and doing.

Q: Well, if we have a network, different people are doing different things. They are at different levels. Shouldn't we consider it in this light?

A: You were in as bad condition before leaving the USA, remember?

Q: (Galahad) Can they overcome the stalling?

A: If they wish.

“From what I understand, the only way to overcome the stalling is to push through with the force of your will - basically push the envelope and make something happen”.

I feel that this really deserved repeating, and highlights the importance of applying ones willpower , and the necessity of strengthening it - to strive to break through the ‘frequency fence‘. Obyvatel started an important thread on Willpower on this board.

It’s interesting to observe the reactions of self and others, when faced with danger or what we may perceive as danger. Whether we have no warning, such as the folks in the programme or we do, such as the folks on the US East coast recently, having provisions or knowledge is not enough if we don’t have the ‘will’ to use them.
 
Re: Psychology of Survival - Ray Mears (youtube)

thanks dreamrider for bringing this up!
 
Re: Psychology of Survival - Ray Mears (youtube)

Yeah, thanks a bunch. I've been watching his bushcraft episodes on YouTube and I really like the guy. He knows his bushcraft well and comes across as a pleasant fellow so I'll be interested to see this video.
 
Re: Psychology of Survival - Ray Mears (youtube)

Just watched this video. The part about the hijacked plane and people just sitting there not paying attention as if reading a newspaper reminded me of normalcy bias.

Some notes I wrote down:

Take control of the situation. Make a routine to follow. (The crew stranded on the rafts.)

STOP - Stop, don't panic
Think about your situation
Orient yourself
Plan

Never give up trying. (The rat experiment where the ones that continuously tried actually escaped.)

Break up a big task into smaller ones. (The family's plan to get to the cabin.)

Have realistic optimism, talk realistically about what you'll do when it's over. (What the girls did while alone on the beach.)
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Please consider the following: Operation Zeus.
I have been trying and failing to get executive action brought to a theory of mine which, in a nutshell, proposes a means of disabling a hurricane.
Mr McRaney's splendid article certainly has opened my eyes as to the psychological issues which are attending this abyss of inertia.
Now that the twisters are literally off the scale, there may be a possibility that this method might be tested on them???
Basically the theory goes that a mach projectile could use its vacuum 'tail' to literally 'pop' the pressure system by shooting through the eye of the off-scale sized twister Theoretically, a symphony of Boyle's Law of air pressure should result, (whatever that might entail....) The end result would quite probably be an ex- tornado. Good for hurricanes too. If only we could test it without bumping into other agendas......
More at Operation Zeus, which can be found in the pdf section on the search page of _www.orbitalcartography.com
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Zadius Sky said:
Thanks for bringing this thread up. Interesting bit about normalcy bias as I am seeing these quite a bit, even in myself.

Just a few days ago, I was temp-working at the local university and was browsing through its main library on the top floor before going in for work. It's a Final Examination week and the library was filled with students. Suddenly, there was a fire alarm going off - nobody was told that this was to be a drill, not even the employees. No one made a move or looked around for other people to leave (there were some students still glued to the computers or their iPods). The alarms were being ignored. As I walk to the stairs, I saw one student waiting for the elevator and I told him to take the stairs (I was wearing "Staff" t-shirt), so he walk over to the stairs and I followed. Some students are still on the top floor when I left the building but they later left when the employees went up there to check the floors to escort the students out.

Huh. I have a similar example (also from a library) and have been wondering a few days about it. What happened was basically that a disheveled man came in and started talking loudly - at first I thought he was phoning (in a foreign language, sounded like Russian). The public library is quite large and mostly frequented by students who sit in long rows at tables, mostly in front of computers. There is no staff in the Reading Room itself. The loud voice was extremely bothering and I must admit that my first thoughts were: "I am not going to do anything, because: 1. He will soon stop by himself 2. Staff will come 3. Somebody else will address it." For the next five minutes nothing happened. The uncanny thing was that Nobody in the Reading Room even STIRRED, like turning their heads, drawing faces, looking at each other or in the direction of the noise. Then a young man got up and went to the source of the noise (from my place I couldn't see the man) and came back. Nothing happened after that, the voice went on and on.

I finally got up myself, approached the man and saw that he was talking with himself, not phoning. I politely told him that his talking was disturbing the readers, could he please stop? He looked at me in a wild way and started a verbal attack in Russian, so I fled and went to the Staff Room. Obviously I was the first reporting this, because the librarian said that he had to inform security, he couldn't do it by himself. I went back to my seat, on the way met the young man from before and told him that I had informed staff. It took another ten minutes for security to arrive, talk to the man and escort him out.

Sorry for this long story, but it made me think for a couple of days. Nobody in the room (about 40 people of all age groups), except me and the young man, had even LOOKED UP. It was like sitting in a room with machines with blank dead stares. I am in this library quite often - several times a week for many hours) and had never encountered the man - one possible idea being that people there were used to him and knew that security would eventually come and take him out. Another idea - everyone is terribly inner considering and afraid to ask him to stop - falls to pieces, too - it would have been easy just to inform Staff....but nobody even stirred or looked into the direction of the voice.

Another thread here is called:"Honestly, have you ever seen a ghost?" I think I did see a few ... and it was scary.

Emmeya
 
Normalcy bias

I didn't find any specific topic about the normalcy bias nor a general discussion about for example McRaneys book You are not so smart. Right now I don't have the book in front of me but I like to give a general wiki overview.

The normalcy bias, or normality bias, refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

And one of the main reasons for this topic is a video from a plane emergency landing of a Cesna before Hawai and which was filmed by a passenger and McRaney also used a plane crash as one example in his book as I remember it, so I thought sharing this may be interesting and lucky them they didn't suffer from the normalcy bias as I can see and only one passenger died:


https://youtu.be/QguEfBMhpyc?feature=player_embedded

And a small article from cnn:

(CNN) -- Sirens went off in the small plane he was a passenger on, and Ferdinand Puentes and eight others aboard "knew what was going on."

The aircraft was going down, and Puentes grabbed his GoPro camera and recorded the ordeal.

The result: arresting pictures of inside the plane and beneath ocean waters as the group awaited rescue off Kalaupapa on Hawaii's Molokai island
Passenger shoots pics of plane crash

One person, Loretta Fuddy, died in the December 11 crash. Fuddy, director of Hawaii's Department of Health, was the official who confirmed the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth record in Hawaii.

Of the others on board, one person swam ashore, a Maui Fire Department helicopter picked up four, and a Coast Guard helicopter rescued three.

A month after the crash, the photographs continue to evoke strong emotions in Puentes.

"It just bit into me like, am I dreaming?" Puentes told CNN affiliate KHON-TV in Honolulu.

One photo looks outside the plane's window right around the time the aircraft hit the water.

Puente's camera captured the plane sinking and even an underwater shot of its body.

Puentes told KHON that he's an avid waterman, but his clothes weighed him down and it took an extra seat cushion to keep him afloat.

Surviving the crash has changed his life, he told the TV station.

"A lot of things seem petty now. Can't take things for granted," he said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/10/us/hawaii-crash-survivor/
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet - Normalcy Bias

It's here. Merged.
 
Re: Why Nobody is Doing Anything About the State of the Planet

Finduilas495 said:
The normalcy bias chapter is indeed very interesting, I even remember a conversation I had with a friend when we were teenagers during which she told me she found it creepy her brother was so interested in UFO's, she didn't want to know about this sort of thing because she wanted to be normal. I replied that my Grandpa was into these subjects too and that I shared her view.

Very interesting. After work two years ago I walked with one of my co-workers to the parking lot. It was already dark and there was something strange in the sky, so I stopped and looked closer. But it was just a plane :).

She noticed and asked me what had happened and I kind of mumbled, half-joking: "Oh, nothing, just thought this was a UFO". She looked at me and said: "You know, I've seen one, as a kid." And on she goes with a story how she had watched this gigantic cigar-shaped white object from the kitchen window when she was about 8 years old. I asked what she did after it was over, and she said: "Nothing. Continuing baking cookies." The whole conversation was led in a tone as if she was telling me she went fishing last weekend. I was like this :shock: Since I didn't reply she switched the subject and started to talk about a situation that we had encountered at work the same day.

Since then I wondered. There is a person who had indeed seen a UFO without screen memory, but it registered as an event compared to the local milk truck passing by. It didn't make her think, didn't change her life ... How could she live on with such an information? Well, now I know...

M.T.
 
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