OceanGate submarine disappears at bottom of ocean

[Cosmos]

Nothing. They lied about the banging to stall since the sub diversion was being used to distract us from something else.

I don’t think we can say that.

 

[Cosmos]

Who knows. It could be anything. It was a very regular pattern, almost mechanical, so I can imagine it was from a ship somewhere. Sound can travel long distances in the water.

That’s my understanding as well. Sound can travel very long distances in water. I would guess the „knocking sounds“ could have come from quite a number of sources including natural ones. I would also think that any ship, even far away, could have caused it. For example if someone bangs against the insides of a ship (in parts of the ship that are below sea level).

 

[mkrnhr]

Perceived regular "banging" sounds could also be generated by cables being moved by water currents. As an analogy, one can think of wind chimes people put in their homes. Also, from the point of view of information, a strictly periodic pattern is as informative as noise.
As for pressure-induced implosions, we're more or less familiar with explosions where the internal pressure inside a volume is higher than the external pressure in air or in space (vacuum). An implosion is a reverse process where the pressure inside a volume is lesser than the pressure outside.
Consider the home experiment here:

The atmospheric pressure (at ~1atm) is higher than the pressure inside the can and the can deforms because of the force exerted on it due to the difference in the inside and outside. In this case, the difference in pressure is less than 1atm.
In this example, it's the same principle with also a difference in pressure less than1atm (1atm outside, and something less than 1 inside).

Now in the case of a submarine at high depths, the difference between in inside of the volume where people are and the outside (the water) can be hundreds of times this difference demonstrated with the can and the truck, depending on the depth. The submarine should be very carefully designed for such conditions.

 

[Persej]

Who needs slow safety testing procedures when we can have fast and disruptive technological breakthroughs!

Ocean Gate said the sub could not be classified because it used technology that was so new it fell outside existing industry paradigms. Getting certification, for the sub the company said would be a multi-year process that was unnecessarily slow because of a lack of pre-existing standards. Ocean Gate said the approval process was anathema to rapid innovation. CEO Stockton Rush was skeptical of safety standards telling the Smithsonian that laws governing undersea craft needlessly prioritized passenger safety over innovation.

 

[BHelmet]

there is zero light at that depth. And just what is taking those pictures and pinpointing the exact location with beautiful lighting? I vote fake photos.

 

[Pat]

Yes.



They are puzzled by the media narrative about it. What actually happened is very simple, the submarine imploded few hours after diving at the depth of 3500 meters.



Yes, knowledge fades out very fast in this world. Especially in the land of DIE and startup culture. I'm afraid that in the future, somebody might try the same thing with a mission to Mars.

My question is what about the narrative of the banging every half hour heard and thought to be from the little submarine. Weren't they trying to locate the provenance of the sound. Did the banging stop after Thursday midday when the people in submarine lacked oxygen or is it still being recorded?

 

[BHelmet]

What, they didn’t test it first? Maybe have an engineer look at the plans? I dunno, use a few computer sims perhaps to stress test the design? The flat knife point end would be very structurally vulnerable to all that pressure. The sub was not certified to my knowledge. Did those billionaires get rich by saying “what the hell, let’s just wing it!” There is at least a 5% absurdity factor to the story.

 

[unkl brws]

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[Jefferson]

This likely is more appropriate for a jokes thread but thinking at the absurdity of going down so deep in such a flimsy craft just boggles the mind.

 

[Metrist]

In the movie Abyss, a special forces guy succumbs to nitrogen narcosis. And he went crazy.

So, the condition is supposed to be temporary, but Stockton's attitude towards safety, hiring practices, ect. .... And his desire to take chances - adventure, thrill seeking, risks, ect.... This personality became addicted to narcosis episodes... And he fires the people that have the best interests of safety at heart, he hires inexperienced people, so he can feed his risk taking highs compounded by narcosis without anyone to advise him... He was oblivious to reality.... Like the special forces guy in the movie.

So, he could have been susceptible but it was masked by his personality that likes danger and it acted upon him over the long term, maybe?

Could someone go crazy, and from within the sub aid in the implosion?

Anyone of them could have succumbed to the effect - if it's possible under the circumstances of being in a submersible - rather than diving?

Nitrogen narcosis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cosmos]

there is zero light at that depth. And just what is taking those pictures and pinpointing the exact location with beautiful lighting? I vote fake photos.

I see no reason to believe that.

 

[Tuulikki]

This must have knocked the bottom out of the Titanic submersible industry. Perhaps it is time to let this tragic oceanic graveyard rest in peace.

 

[Deneb]

Explorers explore. That's what they do. The Titanic is the most famous shipwreck in the world. Billionaires have to do something with their money. They want to go to space, even though the tourist space flights are only technically in space for a very short time.

People want to climb Everest, do parachute jumps, go on rollercoasters.

Yes, based on everything we know about the company, the guy who owned it, and the poor excuse for an underwater vessel these people were in when they died, we could easily nominate them for the Darwin award. But rich people wanting to do something thrilling and dangerous isn't a mystery at all. It's a mystery to me why multiple people in this thread can't see the appeal of going in a submarine down to the wreck of the Titanic.

..Maybe because it was not an submarine but cheap garage shed design with survivability rate of 1:33, we below climbing everest, taking rollercoster and jumping parachute
I totally agree with Guillen on that, titanic is sacred space where enormous tragedy happened, it is not an tourist attraction.

 

[Persej]

My question is what about the narrative of the banging every half hour heard and thought to be from the little submarine. Weren't they trying to locate the provenance of the sound. Did the banging stop after Thursday midday when the people in submarine lacked oxygen or is it still being recorded?

You would have to trace the origin of that claim. I think that there is a possibility that it was made up, because they knew from the beginning that the submarine was lost, and they still wanted to create a big media story about the rescue mission, so they needed something to continue it. After all, a rescue mission is far more interesting to follow than a salvage mission.

 

[loreta]

You would have to trace the origin of that claim. I think that there is a possibility that it was made up, because they knew from the beginning that the submarine was lost, and they still wanted to create a big media story about the rescue mission, so they needed something to continue it. After all, a rescue mission is far more interesting to follow than a salvage mission.

Like a movie, a Hollywood movie, where you see all good guys fighting against time, day and night, fighting against the forces of nature : the army, the navy, the experts, the technicians, all good soldiers who love to save people, who have the vocation to save people who have the hours counted before they die; they do the impossible using boats, helicopters, planes, radar, everything, absolutely everything to save 5 poor people trapped in a plastic can at the bottom of the waters. It's Mission Impossible, really. But because we're still in the mindset of a 5-year-old kid, and we've seen the Mission Impossible series so many times, we're hopeful that the good guys will win the situation, saving it in front of the whole planet, showing how the good guys always win. That's all people talked about during the expedition, because an expedition it was, of rescue. That's all they eat, that's all they saw. It's a magician's trick to make people believe what isn't there.

So they knew from the start that it was a mission impossible, but people thought that a mission impossible is not possible, because at TV, mission impossible became a mission well accomplished, a mission possible. Just goes to show that people live in a totally false world, an invention, a fallacy.

I've said it elsewhere, in Spain we had a similar case of Mission Impossible with the army, miners expert in shafts, good guys, good soldiers who fought to save a little boy they already knew was dead, but they made people believe that anything is possible, and the Spaniards lived days of great suspense, admiring the expertise of the mission, day and night for many days to end up meeting the reality, which must have been a shock. Because these fake missions are there to create a shock, but a shock to give more power to those who manipulate the population with lies, contradictions, hope to change it with despair, a yoyo game that works, as we saw with the pandemic.