opiate withdrawal

davey72 said:
yes,that is pretty much what i figured,and why i didnt mention the word again,but is it that cut and dry?just about everything is illegal somewhere,so im not sure i quite get it yet.ty
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It's okay, you don't have to get it. Just accept that these are the rules of the house that you've entered and if you want to stay and visit, it's best to honor those rules! :) We take extraordinary measures to keep things above board here, due to the extreme scrutiny of this forum - it's that simple.
 
Hello Davey. I don't have much to say but I would urge you to listen to the experienced members of this forum, they can really advise you on the best plan of action for moving forward with your life. It sounds like a cliche (it did to me, until now), this concept of moving forward, because so many people use it in a glib sense in our society. But it truly makes sense, because it is developing the will, the drive, to move beyond the state of stagnation and atrophy.

I have been there too, not in the same circumstances as you, but the state of addiction, and the narrowing of one's consciousness that comes with it, can be devastating when you finally realise what a state it has gotten you into. In my own way I am fighting this battle now, and truly it requires will and vigilance, discipline, and yes, a spiritual aim. For me that aim is spiritual healing.

This quote from Gonzo is a beautifully illustrative of the battle of wills. Thank you Gonzo, this is one of the best pieces of information that I have ever read! :clap: I think this could help so many people in so many individual cases, fantastic!

Gonzo said:
There's the 2 brain concept that says whenever we have a craving, the brain the wants to indulge grows at the expense of the rational, will based brain. If, however, one does not give in, the rational brain grows. Imagine if one has experienced years and years of giving into impulse and desire. The other brain is so atrophied that it can barely put up a fight. This explains why will power is so lacking when some of us need it the most. It just is so tiny, it can't fight. Therefore, one needs to grow that brain and shrink the other by refusing to give in to impulses. One could easily start with simpler impulses by purposefully placing oneself around minor temptation and resisting giving in. This helps build the rational, will power side.
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These are real words of wisdom Davey, I reckon they can inspire you on your journey.
Beautiful, a perfect distillation of the truth (Thanks again Gonzo, you're a diamond! :))
Like others have mentioned here, I can only add my endorsement to the EE breathing/meditation program. I have only made marginal progress, but it is well worth sticking with it. Take it gradually and build from there. Learn how to relax your body and your mind, and maybe even discover yourself anew.

Davey, I can only encourage you to do the very best you can for your healing and rehab, with will, patience and courage. I wish you the very best, and good luck to you! :)
 
thanks gonzo.i was always leary about my addiction.i figured i "wasnt good enough" 4 the c's.or some such thing.there is a movie out that i think you might like if you havent seen it yet,called"what the bleep do we know" it has helen hunt in it,but it kinda gives a laymans explanation to quantum physics and bio chemistry.let me know what ya think of it.
 
anart,i understand what u are saying,even if i may not quite agree,but i suppose ya gotta draw the line somewhere.skippling,i completely agree with what u said,and check my last post.ty
 
Hi Davey, to fully understand the reason behind such forum rules, one needs to know the history of attacks and the significant lineup of people looking for a reason to shut this forum and all of the other efforts set in motion by Laura, Ark, and everyone else involved.

If you read the Wave series, Adventures with Cassiopaea and the Cassiopaean Experiment, you will get an idea of the history behind why such effort is placed on trying to silence Laura. All of these books are available in book form but, if money's really tight, they are also available in web format for free, linked from the main page of the cassiopaea.org website and the QFG Site Map (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm).

On this forum we have seen our share of individuals intentionally joining just to create a situation when they get banned so they can go to other forums and spread lies about how they got kicked out for no reason, to make the moderators seem irrational, or they refused to be brainwashed, to make the forum seem like a cult.

The Internet is full of such agents of chaos, spreading slander and baseless disinfo to undermine the aforementioned efforts. Many love to convince those with little discernment that Laura and the Cassiopaeans officially are a cult, thereby scaring away many who would truly benefit from such information.

Therefore, Laura has had to distance herself, and by extension, her forum, from any mention of drugs, violence, sexual deviance, pretty much anything that can be used to affect credibility, convince a web hosting provider to refuse to host Laura's content, to have authorities like the FBI get involved, etc.

The effort these villains exert is way beyond what a normal response would be if their lies were actually true, but you' be surprised at how many people fall for them.

And so, when you decide to abide by the forum guidelines, please know they are not based on moralistic, judgmental or other frivolous opinion, but grounded in a realistic appreciation for the risky environment within which this forum operates.

There is little benefit in allowing such use of risky language and a whole lot of benefit in avoiding it.

I hope this helps you better understand.

Regards,
Gonzo
 
yes,i do understand the reason,i just didnt realze quite how bad it must be.i suppose it is easier to just avoid the hassle,rather than fighting for yer rights.time and a place.thank you very much for taking the time to explain it to me.i appreciate the help and kindness i have received from everyone since i posted this querie.thanks again,dave.p.s. i still cant upload my pic.says its too large or not an avatar,for all my pics.
 
As an alternative to the 12 step program, somebody on this forum pointed out Rational Recovery (https://rational.org/index.php?id=1) a few years ago.
 
as far as the censor of my post,cun i tell people to go to site?or perhaps tell them to find me on facebook?are there anyoptions?;as i would like everyone that replied to see this thing,especially the medical pro's working in these facilities. i think it is vveerrryyyy important that people in the industry,either as a user or a medical proffessional.what can i do?
 
Davey72, you have been given options and advice from this forum. If the other treatment is what you really want, best you go and ask the provider of it what your options are. aaron
 
ok i'm not sure why you say this,as you have been reading my posts im sure,but i am new and have always been of the beleif that learning is precipitated with qu's.like i said i understand the reasoning,as i have been reading the site starting with the wave for about 8-9 yrs now.im pretty sure im not asking the same questions,or mentioning the words that were edited on my post..this would be why i was hoping someone like mr spock who seems very reasonable,may have been able to answer that.i am,as a newbie,just curious to learn the rules while i can.sounds like u have been attacked by weirdos more than u should have to,but please dont prejudice me,as i really am doing this innoccently.this sis the first time i have used forums,so i apologize if you dont have the time for my stupid questions,but i am not trying to be malicious.i seem to be a little self destructive,so if i am wording things so that they are taken wrong,and am kicked off,then i just want to say sorry,and for what its worth,it wasnt on purpose.i am just an idiot sometimes.sorry again.
 
Hi Davey72, one of the great benefits of our forum is that it provides a mirror for us to see ourselves. This goes for everyone who posts. As well, it provides a place of community for like minded people. The rules are in place to protect this sanctuary. Which indeed it is for me.

It is no easy ride though...Davey make the decision to change and let nothing stand in your way, you can do it. aaron
 
Davey, one of the first things you will want to do is begin reading the threads in the diet and health section of the forum. Then, you will want to get going with the EE program though you may want to exclude the Beatha portion for awhile and just do Pipe breathing and the POTS every night.
 
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