Organic Portals: Human variation

[christx11]

I just wanted to post a response to what I believe Saman was referring to. After searching the transcripts, I found "Discover" in 174 different sessions. Eventually I found this, that I think he was referring to.

Session March 11, 1995
Q: (L) At one point we were told that time was an illusion that came into being at the "time" of the "Fall" in Eden, and this was said in such a way that I inferred that there were other illusions put into place at that time...
A: Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered DNA state.
Q: (L) Okay, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.
Q: (L) What is another one of the illusions?
A: The need for physical aggrandizement.
Q: (L) The focus on the physical as the thing one needs to hold onto or protect. (T) Is separate the key word in regard to Monotheism?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is another of the illusions?
A: Linear focus.
Q: (L) Anything else at this time?
A: Unidimensionality.
Q: (L) The veil... (J) The perception of only one dimension... (L) Were these illusions programmed into us genetically through our DNA?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Are there any others we should cover at this point?
A: Are you finished with the concept?
Q: (L) Well, I don't know. Can you tell us a little bit about how these illusions are enforced on us, how they are perceived by us?
A: If someone opens a door, and behind it you see a pot of gold, do you worry whether there is a poisonous snake behind the door hidden from view, before you reach for the pot of gold?
Q: (L) What does the gold represent?
A: Temptation to limitation.
Q: (L) What does the door represent?
A: Opening for limitation.
Q: (L) Was limitation presented as a pot of gold when, in fact, it was not? Was this a trick?
A: What is snake?
Q: (T) The Lizards? (J) Danger. (L) Okay, who opened the door. (J) We did. (T) No, what is the snake.
A: No.
Q: (L) Does that mean we did not open the door?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Who opened the door?
A: Lizards.
Q: (L) So, we were, literally... (T) Who was the snake? (J) The Lizards, they are danger...
A: No!
Q: (L) Who was the snake?
A: Result of giving into temptation without caution, i.e. leaping before looking.
Q: (J) So we should exercise caution. (T) Okay, what was the snake? (J) The result of giving into temptation. The snake represents the classic... (L) So what you are saying to us is that the story of the temptation in Eden was the story of Humankind being led into this reality as a result of being tempted. So, the eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was...
A: Giving into temptation.
Q: (L) And this was a trick...
A: No! Tricks don't exist!
Q: (L) There is an issue here. (T) Okay, no trick, a trap?
A: No! Traps don't exist either. Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.
Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What were we before the "Fall?"
A: 3rd density STO.
Q: (T) Didn't you tell us that 3rd density beings could not be STO? (L) No. They said there are 3rd density STO beings. (T) We are STS at this point because of what happened then?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Okay, now, we were STO at that time. The Lizards opened the door, we are using this as an allegory, I guess, the Lizards opened the door and showed us a pot of gold hoping that we would reach in for the pot, or walk through the door, when they were waiting for us on the other side in order to take us over in some way. Am I on the right track?
A: Hoping is incorrect idea.
Q: (T) Okay, what was it they were trying to do by enticing us?
A: Trying is incorrect idea; continue to probe for learning opportunity. Q: (T) We were 3rd density STO at this time. Was this after the battle that had transpired? In other words, were we, as a 3rd density race, literally on our own at that point, as opposed to before?
A: Was battle.
Q: (L) The battle was in us?
A: Through you.
Q: (T) The battle was through us as to whether we would walk through this doorway... (L) The battle was fought through us, we were literally the battleground. (T) I got that, but I want to get back to this analogy to make sure where we are in the overall picture. The battle was going on when the door was opened. Was the battle over whether or not we walked through that door?
A: Close.
Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.
A: Oh TR, the battle is always there, it's "when" you choose that counts!
Q: (T) Okay, so we are still looking at that pot of gold? What I am trying to find out is... there is something important here... (L) Let's back up and ask it this way: Prior to this event, humankind was or was not...
A: Prior to?
Q: (L) Okay, not prior. But, we are still talking about somewhat of a historical event in a sense even though it is all simultaneous. This event, somewhere on the cycle, was humankind all one soul, so to speak...
A: Backsliding.
Q: (T) We are moving backwards here. Okay, let's ask it this way...
A: Closer. You were with the thought waves, perhaps better to defer to him for this one.
Q: (L) Okay, I'll shut up. Carry on TR. (T) I need all the help I can get. (L) It's a tough one. (T) This must tie into why the Lizards and other aliens keep telling people that they have given their consent for abduction and so forth. We were STO and now we are STS. (J) Yeah, right.
A: Yes, continue.
Q: (T) We are working with the analogy. The gold was an illusion. The gold was not what we perceived it to be. It was a temptation that was given to us as STO beings on 3rd density. The door was opened by the Lizards.
A: No temptation, it was always there. Remember Dorothy and the Ruby slippers?
Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that time, before we stepped through. We didn't have to step through. (F) But, wait a minute now, they keep saying, correct me if I am wrong, every time TR says: "They tried to get us through..." (L) They said no... (F) It was always there. (J) Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged. (T) They didn't do anything but open the door. The Lizards opened the door and let us decide whether we were going to go through or not. (J) I still think the key is that we obliged by stepping through the door... (T) By our stepping through this door that the Lizards conveniently provided for us without actually doing anything to us, just opening it and showing it to us...
A: Provided? ! ?
Q: (L) They didn't provide it... (J) It always existed... (T)It's always there.... (J) It's there now... (T) The Lizards...
A: Yes, think of the Ruby slippers. What did Glenda tell Dorothy???
Q: (J) You can always go home. (L) You have always had the power to go home...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How does a 3rd density STO being conduct their life?
A: Discover.

Laura's elucidations seem to cover it. The totality of the sessions seem to indicate that we're it. We have to learn the way home to STO. Whether that is an accumulation of lessons through incarnative processes or a learning in this lifetime through impeccable efforts of discernment and application of the 3rd force, developing an FRV so that we can see the choice and then make it. We may be building our own thought wave as it were and if we are ready at the realm border crossing (if we make it that long) and if such things come to be then we may be able to have enough knowledge to choose our alignment. Hypothetically the work is within each of us to learn how to strip away the lies within and to stand up for truth in the outer world. Learning how is quite the task though.

FYI - this session also made me chuckle in regards to the "rattle the bushes" remark.

Q: (L) I assume that you/us have been listening to our/your conversation on finances...
A: As always.
Q: (L) Now, what we would like to know is, can you give us pointers in this regard, or reassurances, because we are still 3rd density and need reassurance in some respects, as to how to deal with this situation.
A: You are still 3rd density enough to need a lot of things, my love!
Q: [Oooh!] (L) Yes, but you didn't answer the question! (T) They are good at that.
A: RTB Review memory.
Q: (L) Okay, you said you were making financial arrangements for us...
A: RTB RTLTHEBSHS
Q: (L) Is this a code?
A: RTL, THE, BSHS...
Q: (Laura and JR) RATTLE THE BUSHES! [Groans]
A: As you are doing, network!

 

[Peam]

Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What were we before the "Fall?"
A: 3rd density STO.

The C's also said in # 990828

Q: Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in trying to write this history of
mankind. As I understand it, or as I am trying to figure it out from the literature, prior to
the 'Fall in Eden,' mankind lived in a 4th density state. Is that correct?
A: Semi/sort of.
Q: Please be more specific.
A: 4th density in another realm, such as time/space continuum, etc.

Maybe Saman remembered the first reference above and forgot the second one. We sometimes forget that the transcripts are not 100% accurate.

As far as this subject- and these Forums-I am done for a time. Laura holds you in the highest regard-so shall I.

That's entirely your choice, but I think I detect a feeling in you that you've been 'wronged' because Laura said she loves Saman and didn't 'back you up' and 'chastise' him, and so you feel the need to run away and hide. As one does more work on self they realise this feeling is really just self importance rearing it's head, and just have a think of what 4d sts would want you to do at this point.
We all makes errors in dissernment, saman included, but don't let the 4d sts influence you via your subjective thoughts, so to say.

 

[Laura]

I still contend my observation is/was correct-Please understand Saman, I came here not to argue-but to learn.

I agree that your observation was correct and said so.

My point in asking you to direct me to the session was that you knew, apparently, EXACTLY where that passage was-yes I certainly could go and look it up myself-I do a lot of self research all the time-and I am certainly no stranger to the Wave series-and read it at random quite alot-and so felt confident in my statement.

I also felt confident in your statement. It is the general trend of the sessions, all taken together as I mentioned.

But if you are in a library full of books-looking for a particular tome-and don't quite know where to look-and you approach the librarian to inquire -and the librarian told you to "go find it yourself! That way you'll learn how to use the library dummy!"

I agree. Saman - or someone else with access - could easily have searched the transcripts for ALL references. I will do it myself when I have time.

Would you not feel rather put out by such a response?

Of course. And that is why I felt it necessary to clarify with text I had at hand though I did not have the time to do the transcript search.

And you must admit dear Saman, this site is very much like a HUGE library-the Wave series alone is rather large-and yes I could spend countless hours re-reading through the material to find that particular "book" as it were.

But if you imagine yourself as the librarian-and know exactly where one may find that precious book-and save the patron time by escorting them to where it might be found-even to merely pointing out the row it should be in-that would be appreciated. This does NOT mean the inquiring patron is disinterested, lazy or stupid.

Agreed. And I agree that Saman's approach was less than helpful. Again, that is why I thought it necessary to clarify with my own "take" on the subject and certain text I had to hand until one or other members of QFG (or myself) could post the collected excerpts on the subject.

Do the librarians feel they are so lofty in their knowledge they must give the patron contempt and scorn, because beside them they know nothing? Do the librarians know this for certain? Perhaps it is another Einstein who seeks their aid-lofty in his OWN knowledge and ways-but ignorant in the ways of the librarians.

Again, I agree that you have justification for feeling some dismay. I was dismayed also. However, I also wanted to point out that I know Saman and I wanted to mention this and that I understand that he is often overzealous and that THIS was the issue and not any ill-intent or feeling of superiority on his part. I also wanted to suggest the reason for his approach, that he is young and dedicated and may not stop to think that there are many ways to approach a subject and that patience and understanding are more helpful than an overly strict pedagogical approach that can seem offputting.

I am not lazy-nor stupid-and Laura did agree with my take on what the C's said-but she also agrees with your point of view as well-as do I. Many of the issues discussed here have more than one view point.

Exactly. It was my purpose to reconcile BOTH of you which is why I said that it was not a defense. I wanted to show that your view is similar to my own, and to include the additional information that would assist Saman in correcting his own stance. I hoped to do this gently and without discouraging either of you from continuing the discussion amicably.

The C's have also said-and this I know for certain-that every person is as they are-and they do things in the way that they do because that is the only way they CAN do them.

It depends on your point of view in many cases-"subjective" as the C's like to say.

As far as this subject- and these Forums-I am done for a time. Laura holds you in the highest regard-so shall I.

I leave all in friendship and again express my thanks.

See what I have written above. Your participation is valued as I can see that you "grok" things naturally. Saman's participation is also valued because his dedication and pure heart are known and appreciated. It would be better if you could continue the discussion knowing something about Saman and he, knowing something about you - that your perceptions are insightful even if you can't cite the transcripts at the drop of a hat.

So, I hope that your perceptions will operate on this subject as well, that what we seek is to assist communication between individuals and that often this requires encouraging both sides in a discussion, and having insight to the individuals (if possible) and great understanding of the heart.

 

[Saman]

Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What were we before the "Fall?"
A: 3rd density STO.

The C's also said in # 990828

Q: Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in trying to write this history of
mankind. As I understand it, or as I am trying to figure it out from the literature, prior to
the 'Fall in Eden,' mankind lived in a 4th density state. Is that correct?
A: Semi/sort of.
Q: Please be more specific.
A: 4th density in another realm, such as time/space continuum, etc.

Maybe Saman remembered the first reference above and forgot the second one. We sometimes forget that the transcripts are not 100% accurate.

Hi Peam. Actually, I was aware about the excerpt above in regards to "semi/sort of" "4th density in another realm". I think that when we were by default [alined] with the STO Thought Center and thus within STO Polarity, and so, meaning on both the 'horizontal' and the 'vertical' of the STO Thought Center, so to speak, then there would be potentially natural manifestations of STO Realms in that Polarity in the 'above' and 'below' Densities all happening simutaneously, and so, we "could", or "are", both 3D STO and 4D STO or "semi/sort of" in another Realm in the 'past'...

Well, this is however just speculation...

 

[Saman]

Would you not feel rather put out by such a response?

Of course. And that is why I felt it necessary to clarify with text I had at hand though I did not have the time to do the transcript search.

And you must admit dear Saman, this site is very much like a HUGE library-the Wave series alone is rather large-and yes I could spend countless hours re-reading through the material to find that particular "book" as it were.

But if you imagine yourself as the librarian-and know exactly where one may find that precious book-and save the patron time by escorting them to where it might be found-even to merely pointing out the row it should be in-that would be appreciated. This does NOT mean the inquiring patron is disinterested, lazy or stupid.

Agreed. And I agree that Saman's approach was less than helpful. Again, that is why I thought it necessary to clarify with my own "take" on the subject and certain text I had to hand until one or other members of QFG (or myself) could post the collected excerpts on the subject.

Do the librarians feel they are so lofty in their knowledge they must give the patron contempt and scorn, because beside them they know nothing? Do the librarians know this for certain? Perhaps it is another Einstein who seeks their aid-lofty in his OWN knowledge and ways-but ignorant in the ways of the librarians.

Again, I agree that you have justification for feeling some dismay. I was dismayed also. However, I also wanted to point out that I know Saman and I wanted to mention this and that I understand that he is often overzealous and that THIS was the issue and not any ill-intent or feeling of superiority on his part. I also wanted to suggest the reason for his approach, that he is young and dedicated and may not stop to think that there are many ways to approach a subject and that patience and understanding are more helpful than an overly strict pedagogical approach that can seem offputting.

Hi Laura, Tschai, All. Due to your feedback, I will no longer overly use this stric[t] pedagogical approach in order to not potentially communicate in a manner that could seem offputting and lofty to other individuals. I apologize Tschai for apparently offending you with this manner of approach.

 

[kenlee]

If we simply cannot be STO in 3rd Density, then why were we 3D STO before in 3rd Density? The implication of the following statement "the C's have explained we simply cannot be STO in 3rd Density-period" is that there is not STO in 3rd Density. Yes the C's have said that we cannot be STO in this Realm, but they have not said that we cannot be STO in 3rd Density.

01-22-2000
[...]
Q: But, you are always saying that we should
seek to gain knowledge. You are supposed to
be STO, and we are supposed to be STO
candidates, so how does that...
A: While you are in this realm, you are by
nature STS. Gaining knowledge is a separate
issue.
[...]

01-22-2000

[...]
A: When one "desires," one is expressing
STS.
Q: (A) Does this also relate to desire for
knowledge?
A: Yes.
Q: So, in our drive to obtain knowledge, we
are STS?
A: You are STS, period.
Q: But, once we have knowledge, we become
STO?
A: No.
Q: But, you are always saying that we should
seek to gain knowledge. You are supposed to
be STO, and we are supposed to be STO
candidates, so how does that...
A: While you are in this realm, you are by
nature STS. Gaining knowledge is a separate
issue.
[...]

So from the above you can see that the 'devil' here is the concept of Realm, and so, the statement that "the C's have explained we simply cannot be STO in 3rd Density-period" is not true since this is not what they have stated exactly.

Hope this clarifies my perception of your statement.

Here's an excerpt from Tom Brown's book 'The Journrey' that, I think, has a good perspective on the idea of Service To Self (STS) and Service To Others (STO). I think the word 'realm' is a good word to emphasize because it might be that it is our particular inner alignment with the spirit realm that might determine our STO or STS orientation.

Excerpt from Tom Brown's book 'The Journey':

Grandfather said: "Now you must learn to enter the world of the spirit and to work within it's power. It is a world which brings you closer to the sacred 'oneness'. For when a man becomes all circles and all cycles he is then one with all things. It is not enough to get into these realms but you must know how to work within each power, so that you become the power and the power becomes you. What good does it to dwell within a world if that is all you can do? Getting to that world is just the beginning, the vehicle, but what you do there begins the cycle of power. This world of spirit is closer to the Creator, it is the world where all healing is found, where there is no time or place, a world where the body no longer exists and you transcend all flesh. When we walk in spirit, the body then falls away, and there are no limitations. The body is protected then, through the spirit, and the spirit is fused with the body".

"To get to this world of spirit, you first must know where you are going. You then must believe that you can get there. It is the unwavering faith the becomes our doorway, and it is this faith which gives us power in the world of spirit. To enter the world of spirit, you must have purpose, and a purpose beyond the self. If the purpose is selfish, then the spirit realm cannot be entered."

Back then I had thought long and hard about what Grandfather had said. I could understand that to enter the spirit world, there would have to be direction. The direction I knew now lay in the wisdom of the Inner Vision. I also understood that there would have to be pure faith, for nothing is done outside oneself without that faith. What I didn't understand at the time was the purpose, a purpose without self. This then would not allow any exploration of the spirit world for practice and learning, for that learning is for the self.

I had asked Grandfather if we could enter the world of spirit just for the purpose of learning. He had then answered, saying, "If you were to try to enter the spirit world for your own personal learning, then the spirit world could not be entered. But if you entered that world with the purpose of bringing back what you knew to share that knowledge, then the purpose would be pure. If there is just the self and no sharing, then the world is not yours. The spirit will know if your motives and heart are pure. That is why great care should be taken to define the purpose before an attempt is made to enter that world. This way, when the purpose is clear and powerful, we can easily enter that world."

I remember asking Grandfather how I could justify entering the world of spirit just to learn to undertake that long journey. I had asked if that too would not be just for the self. He had answered, saying, "If the journey was your sole purpose, then you could not enter, but if it is something you can use to help another, then the world is yours."

Again I had thought about that purpose. How could I be sure if a purpose was really pure and free of self, and how could I ever use it to teach someone? How, I thought, could I make a difference in life by learning this or was I just deluding myself? I could not see how walking that incredible journey could help anyone but me. It was then that Grandfather had broken into my thoughts, saying, "if you had to go and help someone who was many miles away, and you had to get him using a journey such as this, would you make it there? Probably not, but if you did you would be too exhausted to be of any help. Living in the spirit helps us transcend the limitations of our own bodies so that the distraction of pain and exhaustion will not stand in our way. Ultimately, even in practice you learn these things just to help someone. Your purpose then becomes strong and clear. Your purpose then transcends self."

I then asked Grandfather if we could use the fusion of the spirit to save ourselves in a dire survival emergency, or would that be too much for the self. He answered saying, "The purpose is still pure. It protects the temple of the Creator. Remember always, you are the temple of the Creator, as is everyone and everything. else. The Creator dwells in all things equally."

[...] "A man who attempts to enter the spirit realm, the world of the unseen and eternal, and does not return to help others, then he has only selfish purpose. The spirit will be denied unto him. Thus if you attempt to run to wilderness and hide from your responsibility of helping others, you will never fully understand the power of the spirit worlds."

I remember asking Grandfather why so many people in the past ran into the wilderness. He had answered saying, "Anyone can enter the world of the spirit, especially in the purity of wilderness. The spirit then speaks to each person individually, with more power being added unto those who seek that world for the enlightenment of others, Thus if a man's purpose is to selfishly run away and seek spiritual enlightenment for himself, then the spirit world will not give much of its power. But to those who seek that world purely and with a grand purpose, beyond the self, the power will be freely given unto him".

[...] "The power of the shaman, the power of the spirit world, is given only unto those whose love is strong for his fellowman. To know the spirit-that-moves-all things is to know that if one part of the spirit is sick, lost or searching, then all is sick. To work only for the self is to know not the spirit-that-moves-all-things. If one does not know that spirit, one does not know love, and thus cannot transcend self".

 

[Peam]

Hi Peam. Actually, I was aware about the excerpt above in regards to "semi/sort of" "4th density in another realm". I think that when we were by default alinged with the STO Thought Center and thus within STO Polarity, and so, meaning on both the 'horizontal' and the 'vertical' of the STO Thought Center, so to speak, then there would be potentially natural manifestations of STO Realms in that Polarity in the 'above' and 'below' Densities all happening simutaneously, and so, we "could", or "are", both 3D STO and 4D STO or "semi/sort of" in another Realm in the 'past'...

Well, this is however just speculation...

I think I see what you mean. My thoughts are similar. Here's my subjective hypothosis. We, in human 3d bodies in this realm, and also 1d/2d creatures in this realm, simply can't be sto basically because of the physicallity, I think.

But before the fall, in another realm, our bodies were probably nothing like what we ocupy now, probably not even what we would call human at all. Maybe androgynous in a more etheral form than we are now, and could have been a 3d realm, eating veg in a symbionic way because the 2d vegetables in that realm could have been sto and more etheral as well.

I get the impression that this sto state that we were in, was 'when' the 'outspread' of 7d conciousness expanded into all realms occured, which was/is the eternal 'now', what could be called the big bang. Because we were inexperienced and had been etheral up to that 'time', the lizzies, who had probable already done the reincarnating trip through 1d, 2d, and 3d, tempted us into physical vehicles which had been prepared in this realm so that we would become their food.
So I agree that there could be lower density sto realms, but this isn't one of them.

 

[mareiki]

I think accepting beings in this realm and so we are STS is very important.
Just accepting as it is!

 

[Saman]

Here is some speculation I posted on CassChat in regards to what [ I ] wrote about STO Polarity. Please let me know where you think there is a fault with these thoughts:

From: "Glif." <knowlaw777@yahoo.com.ar>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:29 PM

[...]
> I think that it is probable that I am misunderstanding something
> here and/or missing some point in the process of understanding this.
> Just trying to figure out what makes 3D STO and 4D STO beings
> remain physically alive(in their semi-physicality), where
> their "food" comes from.
>
> Glif.

Hi Glif, All,

In relevance to all that has been stated thus far from all ends in this
discussion, here are some current speculative possibilities and some
current intuitive thoughts for your considerations in regards to the
default soul 'Evolution' of Beings within STO polarity:

1) Fragmented soul units within 3D STO Beings:

a) To only obtain precisely adequate amounts of nourishments needed -
meaning not more then what is actually necessary - for the maintenance
of their manifested physical bodies within the 3D environmental
'classroom'; the latter, by following a 'protocol' close to the
following description: to utilize as IS, not "use", natural sources of
nourishments available from Mother Nature within the natural flow and
cycling of 1D and 2D Beings -- meaning to not abuse the status quo of
Mother Nature's ecosystems, but to scientifically and precisely go with
the flow or order of it as it IS.

b) Initial and progressive learning on how to network soul energy
between two complementary polar Beings through the STO expression of
"thou I love".


2) Fragmented soul units within semi 3D-4D STO Beings:

a) Have 'naturally progressed' to the 'halfway' 'point' in learning to
network soul energy between two complementary polar Beings, and are now
working on learning to take the initial first steps in networking this
soul energy, which is in direct contact with "god", with other Beings
on the same level of Being AND other lower Density Beings within their
natural environment.

b) Still obtain precisely adequate amounts of nourishments from Mother
Nature within the natural flow of the ecosystem; however, need much
less physical nourishment, about half much as 3D STO, due to achieving
a higher degree and level of networking of soul energy.


3) Fragmented soul units within 4D STO Beings:

a) No longer have any need for physical nourishment to maintain their
bodies within an environment of variable physicality due to the
following:

b) Have fully learned to mutually network soul energy 'amplified'
between two polar Beings to 'resonant' between other groups of 4D
Beings wherever and whenever there is an Asking and need, and are now
also initially learning, or further progressing, with the lessons
associated with utilizing the soul energy of "thou I love" to
creatively play the role of "seeding" 3rd density STO and it's
manifested environments.

Anyways, perhaps these notions may possibly help spark further ideas
for discussion from your ends, and hence possibly lead to some helpful
data derived from the natural world of this realm, as it IS? What do
you think?


Regards,



Saman

 

[Peam]

1) Fragmented soul units within 3D STO Beings:

a) To only obtain precisely adequate amounts of nourishments needed -
meaning not more then what is actually necessary - for the maintenance
of their manifested physical bodies within the 3D environmental
'classroom'; the latter, by following a 'protocol' close to the
following description: to utilize as IS, not "use", natural sources of
nourishments available from Mother Nature within the natural flow and
cycling of 1D and 2D Beings -- meaning to not abuse the status quo of
Mother Nature's ecosystems, but to scientifically and precisely go with
the flow or order of it as it IS.

This sounds like what I imagine the 'long wave' cycle of experience would be like, a sort of timeless, more etheral, inter-relationship existance between 1d-2d-3d without external interference from more aware sts forces.

b) Initial and progressive learning on how to network soul energy
between two complementary polar Beings through the STO expression of
"thou I love".

I would say that in a 3d sto realm, if it was 'long wave', souls wouldn't progress very much without the input of sts forces because everything would appear to be peace and tranquility to them, so there would be not much stimulous to change and grow.

2) Fragmented soul units within semi 3D-4D STO Beings:

a) Have 'naturally progressed' to the 'halfway' 'point' in learning to
network soul energy between two complementary polar Beings, and are now
working on learning to take the initial first steps in networking this
soul energy, which is in direct contact with "god", with other Beings
on the same level of Being AND other lower Density Beings within their
natural environment.

Why does there have to be networking between polar beings in order to progress from from 3d sto to 4d sto? It might be quicker, but not entirely nesessary in my opinion. Also there's an assumption here that a 3d sto realm is on the upward ladder to 4d sto, and not stagnant and in a passive state 'waiting' for an sts influence to come along to tempt them into physicality and so start quicker learning.

b) Still obtain precisely adequate amounts of nourishments from Mother
Nature within the natural flow of the ecosystem; however, need much
less physical nourishment, about half much as 3D STO, due to achieving
a higher degree and level of networking of soul energy.

But what stimulus would there be for soul growth? It sounds more like an equilibrium state to me. Without external stimulus can there be growth?

3) Fragmented soul units within 4D STO Beings:

a) No longer have any need for physical nourishment to maintain their
bodies within an environment of variable physicality due to the
following:

b) Have fully learned to mutually network soul energy 'amplified'
between two polar Beings to 'resonant' between other groups of 4D
Beings wherever and whenever there is an Asking and need, and are now
also initially learning, or further progressing, with the lessons
associated with utilizing the soul energy of "thou I love" to
creatively play the role of "seeding" 3rd density STO and it's
manifested environments.

I see two initial questions here. could 4d sto be a place to 'learn' to network soul energy rather than to have fully learnt straight away, and why confine the 'seeding' to the intention of being sto, Is it possible that they just seed 3d and then let the natural universal forces of sts/sto take their natural course? Sort of like, sto seeders know full well that sts will tempt some poor innocent soul group to 'jump in' but they do the seeding because it's the best and quickest way for soul stuff to learn and get back to 7d.

 

[Saman]

1) Fragmented soul units within 3D STO Beings:

a) To only obtain precisely adequate amounts of nourishments needed -
meaning not more then what is actually necessary - for the maintenance
of their manifested physical bodies within the 3D environmental
'classroom'; the latter, by following a 'protocol' close to the
following description: to utilize as IS, not "use", natural sources of
nourishments available from Mother Nature within the natural flow and
cycling of 1D and 2D Beings -- meaning to not abuse the status quo of
Mother Nature's ecosystems, but to scientifically and precisely go with
the flow or order of it as it IS.

This sounds like what I imagine the 'long wave' cycle of experience would be like, a sort of timeless, more etheral, inter-relationship existance between 1d-2d-3d without external interference from more aware sts forces.

I don't think 3D STO would be more etheral then 3D STS, but I think would have greater recievership cabability to 4D STO then 3D STS. Moreover, I think 3D STS is the illusion of living in 3D, where as 3D STO is more REAL so to say. Here are some excerpts in relation to the latter thoughts:

November 26, 1994 F*** and Laura, T*** and
J***
[...]
Q: (L) Is there a 3rd level representative of
the forces of the light?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who or what are they?
A: Don't exist on your planet.
Q: (L) Do they have a planet of their own?
A: Have quadrillions of them.
Q: (L) Well, this is beginning to sound like we
are in pretty bad shape here. This is like the
Siberia of the universe as Gurdjieff said.
A: The Universe is infinitely huge.
Q: (L) If there are planets where there are 3 D
beings who are STS oriented, in other words,
in a physical body, do they look something
like us?
A: You are STS oriented. Did you really mean
to say STO?
Q: (T) Is there a 3D race in this universe that
is STO?
A: Yes. Already stated thus.
Q: (L) If there are planets with STO beings...
A: Some look like you.
Q: (L) What is life like on that sort of place?
(T) They are not going to tell us that. That is
something that we are going to have to
develop to find out.
A: Exactly.
Q: (J) Is part of being STS being so
appearance oriented as we are?
A: Not physical issue at 3rd level.
[...]

September 23, 2000
[...]
Q: Now, VB's next question is: do you have
any idea of how many 4th density Nordic
types might be on the planet at this time? How
many 4th density Nordic STO are on the
planet is what I think he is wanting to know.
A: If it is useful to know this, use your own
powers of perception to narrow it down.
Q: I would say something like 2 percent of the
population of the entire planet.
A: No.
Q: More or less?
A: Less.
Q: Well, maybe that is in the ballpark.
A: No.
Q: You mean it's so much less we aren't even
in the ballpark?
A: Yes.
Q: Is it possible that there are people on the
planet now, who are manifested as 3rd density
STS, who at a certain point in time, due to
some event, such as the Wave, will activate
genetically, so that they will then transform
into 4th density STO Nordics?
A: Close, once again, the answer is not so
much physicality as it is spirituality.
Q: So, there could be a lot of 3rd density
people who are conduits or projections of 4th
density STO into this reality?
A: Souls, my dear, it is the souls!
Q: So there are 3rd density bodies, inhabited
by 4th density souls, but these bodies, because
of the STO honoring of free will, have all the
3rd density limitations for the present?
A: Yes.
[...]

Moreover, as Harrison mentioned earlier, if according to RA we are 51 to 95 percent STS here in 3rd Density STS, then wouldn't it not be reasonable to think that 3rd Density STO consistes of Beings that are 51 to 95 percent STO in terms of FRV, and 5 to 49 percent STS?

b) Initial and progressive learning on how to network soul energy
between two complementary polar Beings through the STO expression of
"thou I love".

I would say that in a 3d sto realm, if it was 'long wave', souls wouldn't progress very much without the input of sts forces because everything would appear to be peace and tranquility to them, so there would be not much stimulous to change and grow.

I think that IF they are 51 to 95 STO and 5 to 49 percent STS in 3rd Desnsity STO, then this means that there is still a stimulous, or say a "friction" within to change and grow in terms of learning lessons in relevance to coming closer to a cognizant state of [cognizant] unification with the One.

2) Fragmented soul units within semi 3D-4D STO Beings:

a) Have 'naturally progressed' to the 'halfway' 'point' in learning to
network soul energy between two complementary polar Beings, and are now
working on learning to take the initial first steps in networking this
soul energy, which is in direct contact with "god", with other Beings
on the same level of Being AND other lower Density Beings within their
natural environment.

Why does there have to be networking between polar beings in order to progress from from 3d sto to 4d sto? It might be quicker, but not entirely nesessary in my opinion. Also there's an assumption here that a 3d sto realm is on the upward ladder to 4d sto, and not stagnant and in a passive state 'waiting' for an sts influence to come along to tempt them into physicality and so start quicker learning.

I think this so to say temptation is "open", meaning that Free Will could be abriged due to the obliged choice to do so with some 3D STO Beings in this Grand Cycle[] but not with others, or vice versa, it could be "open" that some 3D STS Beings move to 3D STO Polarity in this [Grand] Cycle and not others. Moreover, I think there is likely lessons in relation of learning to network soul energy between Polar Beings within 3D STO Polarity because in this way I think there would less and less need for percise physical sources of nourishement from the environment, and thus, learning to move beyond the need for physicality in the 3rd Density existence by moving up to [cognizant] Unificiation by default through 'Evolution', rather then the default [of] 'Involution' here in this Realm of 3D STS.

b) Still obtain precisely adequate amounts of nourishments from Mother
Nature within the natural flow of the ecosystem; however, need much
less physical nourishment, about half much as 3D STO, due to achieving
a higher degree and level of networking of soul energy.

But what stimulus would there be for soul growth? It sounds more like an equilibrium state to me. Without external stimulus can there be growth?

Learning to progress further in networking soul energy would be the stimulus I think.

3) Fragmented soul units within 4D STO Beings:

a) No longer have any need for physical nourishment to maintain their
bodies within an environment of variable physicality due to the
following:

b) Have fully learned to mutually network soul energy 'amplified'
between two polar Beings to 'resonant' between other groups of 4D
Beings wherever and whenever there is an Asking and need, and are now
also initially learning, or further progressing, with the lessons
associated with utilizing the soul energy of "thou I love" to
creatively play the role of "seeding" 3rd density STO and it's
manifested environments.

I see two initial questions here. could 4d sto be a place to 'learn' to network soul energy rather than to have fully learnt straight away, and why confine the 'seeding' to the intention of being sto, Is it possible that they just seed 3d and then let the natural universal forces of sts/sto take their natural course?

I don't know. It seemed to be a reasonal next step for progression from semi 3D-4D STO to 4D STO due to having no need for physical nourishments at the 4D STO level.

Sort of like, sto seeders know full well that sts will tempt some poor innocent soul group to 'jump in' but they do the seeding because it's the best and quickest way for soul stuff to learn and get back to 7d.

I think 4D STS do "seeding" as well, but they keep playing with 3D STS genes through "time" in order set up a 'branch' in the 'future' that has a better setting for their metabolic survival in terms of seeking the payoff from these manipulated "time lines", so to say, for their Being's due to having not learned to move away from feeding off the usurped, and thus, negative expressions of soul energy from 3D-1D STS below, or so I think.

I will think more about this during my job. Bye for now.

 

[anart]

I think 4D STS do "seeding" as well, but they keep playing with 3D STS genes through "time" in order set up a 'branch' in the 'future' that has a better setting for their metabolic survival in terms of seeking the payoff from these manipulated "time lines", so to say, for their Being's due to having not learned to move away from feeding off the usurped, and thus, negative expressions of soul energy from 3D-1D STS below, or so I think.

This is my thinking as well.

I think that IF they are 51 to 95 STO and 5 to 49 percent STS in 3rd Desnsity STO, then this means that there is still a stimulous, or say a "friction" within to change and grow in terms of learning lessons in relevance to coming closer to a cognizant state of unification with the One.

This makes sense to me as well, and it leads me to the question of whether this may also occur in 4D - for individuals who transition from 3D STS to 4D STO- could there be a time where they work/learn to become more STO, if that is their choice - only they do it in 4D. So, individuals on this planet who are working to become STO candidates, would, when we meet up with the Wave, then transition to 4D as anywhere from 51% to 95% STO (based on their progress in 3D), and they then spend their "time"/effort growing into full STO beings. Do you think that this is a possibility (assuming all criteria are met that would allow the transition to occur)?

 

[tschai]

Hello all,

I know I said I was not going to post for a while-but I had to respond to the thought that I was "running' AWAY and hiding... :(

My remarks were simply that as far as the subject -that of whether or not we could or could not be STO in 3D-I was finished-and conceded that both Saman and myself were correct. The original thread was in regard to organic portals and this side bar totally went off the mark.

As far as being done with the Forums-I have been coming on-line and posting when I really should be attending to other things that are unfortunately required in 3D life-so you will not be rid of me that easily I am afraid.

My post was petty- and for that I apologize -but these are things we must learn and we all must have thicker skins.

Sometimes emotions get in the way of reason-and we get tied up in our own "self importance'-and dammit for once I was right about something!

I was not about to be challenged!

Which of course was totally WRONG headed-in stead I should have explained my position more thoroughly.

The C's would be very disappointed in that regard-if one makes bold statements they should be prepared to back 'em up.

Perhaps I will write a position paper and the total of my thoughts on this subject and submit for review, ridicule whatever-though as Anart said I am naive on certain things I believe my thoughts do have merit.

Again, my thanks to all.

 

[anart]

Perhaps I will write a position paper and the total of my thoughts on this subject and submit for review, ridicule whatever-though as Anart said I am naive on certain things I believe my thoughts do have merit.

Hmmm - silly wabbit - if WE were not 'naive on certain things', we would not be human/real/learning/infallible/seeking/here at all. Take a second to understand that we are all naive on certain things, and that I brought that up to help to transmit the idea that just because one, or all of us, may not be a virtuoso in a certain subject, it does not mean that we are not trying. You get that, I know you do - just like you know your thoughts have merit - that much is obvious. ;)

 

[Saman]

I think that IF they are 51 to 95 STO and 5 to 49 percent STS in 3rd Desnsity STO, then this means that there is still a stimulous, or say a "friction" within to change and grow in terms of learning lessons in relevance to coming closer to a cognizant state of unification with the One.

This makes sense to me as well, and it leads me to the question of whether this may also occur in 4D - for individuals who transition from 3D STS to 4D STO- could there be a time where they work/learn to become more STO, if that is their choice - only they do it in 4D. So, individuals on this planet who are working to become STO candidates, would, when we meet up with the Wave, then transition to 4D as anywhere from 51% to 95% STO (based on their progress in 3D), and they then spend their "time"/effort growing into full STO beings. Do you think that this is a possibility (assuming all criteria are met that would allow the transition to occur)?

To add some more thoughts to the above, I think "growing" into full STO Beings occurs when a soul unit reachs Sixth Density STO, and so, perhaps for a Being to move up from 4D STO to 5D STO and finally to 6D STO, and here 5D is only the contemplation level for both sides, and so, perhaps there are some "special" incarnative missions for 5D STO souls i.e. the soul unit that is according to the C's known as Socrates or Jesus or Joshua in different incarnations, would I think likely require a much purer state of STO FRV attained through conscious application of supreme knowledge then progression of soul units from 3D STO to 4D STO or 3D STS to 4D STO, or so I think.