Organic Portals: Human variation

[Adaryn]

Well, i think i'm going to re-read this thread and maybe i don't fully grasp the organic portal concept.

Because to me, OPs = pre-adamic, and it's possible to spot preadamic people.

How so? And why would you want to "spot" them anyway?

I'm going to re-read this thread (read some times ago i admit)

Good idea :)

 

[Nienna]

Well, i think i'm going to re-read this thread and maybe i don't fully grasp the organic portal concept.

Because to me, OPs = pre-adamic, and it's possible to spot preadamic people. Maybe the Mouravieff "adamic/preadamic" concept is too simple.

How so? Why do you think that pre-adamics are easy to spot? What is your criteria?

Q: Based on what Mouravieff has said, it seems to be
so that any efforts to try to raise the consciousness of
such individuals is doomed to fail.
A: Pretty much. Most of them are very efficient
machines. The ones that you have identified as
psychopaths are "failures." The best ones cannot be
discerned except by long and careful observation.

In other words, only the "failed" psychopathic OPs are easy to spot. OPs are very hard to spot. It takes careful study because they are indistinguishable from non-OPs.

Q: (V) Have I, or anyone in this room, ever
encountered any, and if so, can you give us an
example for reference?
A: If you consider that the population is equally
distributed, then you will understand that in an ordinary
"souled" person's life, that person will encounter half as
many organic portals as souled individuals. BUT, when
someone is in the process of "growing" and
strengthening the soul, the Control System will seek to
insert even more "units" into that person's life. Now,
think of all the people you have ever met and
particularly those with whom you have been, or are,
intimate. Which half of this number would YOU
designate as being organic portals? Hard to tell, eh?
Q: (BT) Is this the original meaning of the "pollution of
the bloodline" that the Bible talks about?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) This certainly gives a whole new meaning to all
the experiences we have had with people like "Frank"
and Vincent Bridges and Terri Burns, Olga and the rest
of the gang! What this means is that the work of
discerning these organic portals from souled human
beings is CRUCIAL to the so-called ascension process.
Without the basic understanding of transformation of,
and conservation of energies, there is no possibility of
fusing a magnetic center. No wonder the Bridges gang
and the COINTELPRO types went bananas while I was
publishing the Adventures Series! And sheesh! They
will go bonkers with this organic portal stuff! (V) In
thinking back over my life, it seems to me that my
father is certainly one of these organic portals.
A: Now, do not start labeling without due
consideration. Remember that very often the individual
who displays contradictory behavior may be a souled
being in struggle.

In other words, it is very, very hard to spot an OP. Just because someone acts a certain way means only that they act a certain way. It would seem that you are over-simplifying just what an OP is.

And, as has been asked by Luthien, why do you want to spot an OP anyway. Could it be that it makes you feel superior to "them" that they are less than what you perceive you are? What if, in fact, YOU are an OP? What then?

That's why there is really nothing more important than cleaning our own machines, trying to see things as objectively as we can, to rid ourselves of our own programs in order to be as best as we can be for the betterment of all. Any of us here could be OPs. So it is best to just contend with our own programs and buffers rather than trying to point our fingers at others and say how "soulless" they are.

fwiw

 

[Pierrebxl]

i'd like to re-read this thread calmly before talking about this concept. :)

 

[knowledge_of_self]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Nathan here, it is not possible to just 'spot an OP'. They can only be discerned after long and careful observation and even then it is almost impossible. I think you might be confusing the issue of behavior versus potential. As I mentioned earlier, the vast majority of OPs are the salt of the Earth, nicest, most stable people around.

I also agree that there is no way of telling whether someone is an OP or not. However, I'm a bit confused about the statement above anart.

If we can't distinguish an OP from non OP, how can you say the vast majority of OPs are the nicest, most stable people around? Isn't that contradicting?

Though, perhaps I'm just nitpicking so don't hesitate to tell me so

 

[Nathan]

If we can't distinguish an OP from non OP, how can you say the vast majority of OPs are the nicest, most stable people around? Isn't that contradicting?

My impression is that this statement is based logically on what we know about the conditions of souled individuals. And we have more information on this than we do on OPs. That's how I interpret this.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

If we can't distinguish an OP from non OP, how can you say the vast majority of OPs are the nicest, most stable people around? Isn't that contradicting?

My impression is that this statement is based logically on what we know about the conditions of souled individuals. And we have more information on this than we do on OPs. That's how I interpret this.

That makes sense. Thanks :)

 

[Pierrebxl]

Ok, i've read quite a couple of pages from this thread (haven't finished it yet) and it is way way way more complicated than what i thought...

I don't remember having read this thread in the past and it may have been something else i've read, so i'm sorry... i wrote about OPs a bit quickly and without enough knowledge, sorry

But i think i have something interesting that can be relevant to the topic:

Ok, in my life, i've been in contact with a certain amount of abusive people (family, friends, girldfriends, acquaintances etc...), abusive people. And what i have noticed is a certain sameness, a certain likeness: i don't have words to describe it but it's more like a feeling, like a flavour, a "taste" of these interactions.

And what's very interesting is that i've found that this "flavour" is present in lots of people. For example in my job, i meet a lot of people everyday; even if it's just a quick chat or just a 10 minutes encounter, i see a lot of different people everyday and i find this particular "taste" quite often.

So i don't know what it is, i do not know what it is... i don't have a word to explain it, but i sense it.

And it is present everywhere, whatever the country, whatever the race (white, black etc..), whatever the gender (male/female), whatever the age (old, young) whatever the physical appearance etc... i have this particular feeling.

Hope this makes sense

:)

 

[anart]

Ok, i've read quite a couple of pages from this thread (haven't finished it yet) and it is way way way more complicated than what i thought...

I don't remember having read this thread in the past and it may have been something else i've read, so i'm sorry... i wrote about OPs a bit quickly and without enough knowledge, sorry

But i think i have something interesting that can be relevant to the topic:

Ok, in my life, i've been in contact with a certain amount of abusive people (family, friends, girldfriends, acquaintances etc...), abusive people. And what i have noticed is a certain sameness, a certain likeness: i don't have words to describe it but it's more like a feeling, like a flavour, a "taste" of these interactions.

And what's very interesting is that i've found that this "flavour" is present in lots of people. For example in my job, i meet a lot of people everyday; even if it's just a quick chat or just a 10 minutes encounter, i see a lot of different people everyday and i find this particular "taste" quite often.

So i don't know what it is, i do not know what it is... i don't have a word to explain it, but i sense it.

And it is present everywhere, whatever the country, whatever the race (white, black etc..), whatever the gender (male/female), whatever the age (old, young) whatever the physical appearance etc... i have this particular feeling.

Hope this makes sense

:)

I think it makes sense. Have you read the 'big five' psychology/narcissism books in the suggested reading section? It sounds like what you might be picking up on is either pathology or narcissism or a mixture of both. It is very widespread due to our ponerized society. The book Political Ponerology can also help explain how such mental/emotional sickness spreads through a society to become so widespread. This type of behavior/mindset can definitely have a particular flavor that becomes noticeable, I think.

 

[Renaissance]

In William James' book Varieties of Religious Experience he explains the religion of 'healthy mindedness', which appears to be the way a normal functioning OP would relate to the world. One of the characteristics he describes is the inability to feel evil and gives Walt Whitman as an example. That's not to say Walt Whitman is an OP, but that his worldview resembles such.

The supreme contemporary example of such an inability to feel evil is of course Walt Whitman.

"His favorite occupation," writes his disciple, Dr. Bucke, seemed to be strolling or sauntering about outdoors by himself, looking at the grass, the trees, the flowers, the vistas of light, the varying aspects of the sky, and listening to the birds, the crickets, the tree frogs, and all the hundreds of natural sounds. It was evident that these things gave him a pleasure far beyond what they give to ordinary people. Until I knew the man," continues Dr. Bucke, "it had not occurred to me that any one could derive so much absolute happiness from these things as be did. He was very fond of flowers, either wild or cultivated; liked all sorts. I think he admired lilacs and sunflowers just as much as roses. Perhaps, indeed, no man who ever lived liked so many things and disliked so few as Walt Whitman. All natural objects seemed to have a charm for him. All sights and sounds seemed to please him. He appeared to like (and I believe he did like) all the men, women, and children he saw (though I never knew him to say that he liked any one), but each who knew him felt that he liked him or her, and that he liked others also. I never knew him to argue or dispute, and he never spoke about money. He always justified, sometimes playfully, sometimes quite seriously, those who spoke harshly of himself or his writings, and I often thought he even took pleasure in the opposition of enemies. When I first knew [him], I used to think that he watched himself, and would not allow his tongue to give expression to fretfulness, antipathy, complaint, and remonstrance. It did not occur to me as possible that these mental states could be absent in him. After long observation, however, I satisfied myself that such absence or unconsciousness was entirely real. He never spoke deprecatingly of any nationality or class of men, or time in the world's history, or against any trades or occupations- not even against any animals, insects, or inanimate things, nor any of the laws of nature, nor any of the results of those laws, such as illness, deformity, and death. He never complained or grumbled either at the weather, pain, illness, or anything else. He never swore. He could not very well, since he never spoke in anger and apparently never was angry. He never exhibited fear, and I do not believe he ever felt it." *

* R.M. BUCKE: Cosmic Consciousness, pp. 182-186, abridged.

Walt Whitman owes his importance in literature to the systematic expulsion from his writings of all contractile elements. The only sentiments he allowed himself to express were of the expansive order; and he expressed these in the first person, not as your mere monstrously conceited individual might so express them, but vicariously for all men, so that a passionate and mystic ontological emotion suffuses his words, and ends by persuading the reader that men and women, life and death, and all things are divinely good.

Thus it has come about that many persons to-day regard Walt Whitman as the restorer of the eternal natural religion. He has infected them with his own love of comrades, with his own gladness that he and they exist. Societies are actually formed for his cult; a periodical organ exists for its propagation, in which the lines of orthodoxy and heterodoxy are already beginning to be drawn; * hymns are written by others in his peculiar prosody; and he is even explicitly compared with the founder of the Christian religion, not altogether to the advantage of the latter.

* I refer to The Conservator, edited by Horace Traubel, and published monthly at Philadelphia.

Whitman is often spoken of as a 'pagan.' The word nowadays means sometimes the mere natural animal man without a sense of sin; sometimes it means a Greek or Roman with his own peculiar religious consciousness. In neither of these senses does it fitly define this poet. He is more than your mere animal man who has not tasted of the tree of good and evil. He is aware enough of sin for a swagger to be present in his indifference towards it, a conscious pride in his freedom from flexions and contractions, which your genuine pagan in the first sense of the word would never show.

"I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contained,

I stand and look at them long and long;

They do not sweat and whine about their condition.

They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins.

Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things,

Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago

Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth."

 

[Nienna]

I think it makes sense. Have you read the 'big five' psychology/narcissism books in the suggested reading section? It sounds like what you might be picking up on is either pathology or narcissism or a mixture of both. It is very widespread due to our ponerized society. The book Political Ponerology can also help explain how such mental/emotional sickness spreads through a society to become so widespread. This type of behavior/mindset can definitely have a particular flavor that becomes noticeable, I think.

This is the first thing that came to my mind, also, Pierre. Although, anart says it much more eloquently than I ever could.

It seems that the psychopathic rule of the world has influenced the way we not only live, but have been brought up from birth. One narcissistically wounded person bassing on their narcissistic wounds to their children who do likewise, who do likewise.... This happens to the point that all of society has been ponerized and this way of living and feeding and hurting each other becomes normalized.

Yes, there are a few families who have escaped this type of ponerization, but I think that the way the world made it clear that the only way to succeed in life is to be psychopathic-like reels in those who are not already this way (the younger set looking to make a good living for themselves) and they are trained in this new way of life - to be self-serving and ruthless.

Then, you have the well-placed pscyhopaths in psychology (in my opinion) who have been promoting the "giving everything to your child, your child is right no matter what" to the point of creating narcissistic behavior in a whole new generation to boot.

Ponerization at its finest. I think that this is what you are "seeing" that is all the same in everyone you are interacting with.

Although I could be wrong. But, you can see that with this going on, it makes it quite difficult to tell between an OP and a potentially soulled human who is struggling.

 

[Bosphorus1982]

i found this. may be abt. ops.

QUESTION: When incarnation ceases to be automatic, can an entity decide when he needs to incarnate for the benefit of his own learning. Does he select his parents? (B1, 194)

RA: This is correct.

QUESTION: At this time what percentage of the entities incarnating are making their own choices?

RA: About 54%

 

[wanderer33]

Question on OPs

If this needs to be moved elsewhere please leave a flag.

If OPs energise or bring into being higher energy centres (upper chakras) by stealing energy from soulled individuals, is this energy depleted over time?
What I mean is does it work like a discharging battery? From what I've read, the OP regularly drains energy. Why regularly? I am aware that they could be feeding energy to reptilians. If it does deplete over time, what would happen to an OP if say, they were in solitary confinement for a long period without human contact?

I'll call it the Robinson Crusoe Effect. What changes in the OP's behaviour would be apparent?

 

[Vulcan59]

Re: Question on OPs

Hi wanderer33,

The C's answered this question as follows; :)

Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is necessary for human beings because it was a
period of rest and recharging. You also said that the SOUL rests while the body is sleeping. So, the
question is: what source of energy is tapped to recharge both the body and the soul?

A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic
portal unit.

Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the
soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and
inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one another in the
way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have
souls, where does the energy come from that recharges Organic Portals?

A: The pool you have described.

Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?

A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During
sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual center and the moving center,
transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional and
intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic
portals so much loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more
than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher centers.

Q: (L) Well, the next logical question was: where does the so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?

A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I
Love." The "outbreath" of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable Gravity Waves.

 

[Horus_Risen]

This thread set off light bulbs! :O In my experience with human beings, this confirms many feelings and ideas I have had. Awesome!

 

[wanderer33]

Thanks Vulcan.

Following from what was quoted by Vulcan...

If energy is re-charged from the sexual centre in the solar plexus....
Many human males present an erection after coming out of sleep. Some don't apparently. Could this be an indicator, one way or another of
the type of human, or is this something else? I say this because having read a little on the subject, it seems that males have normal sexual function whether they have erections after sleep or not. Also it seems that both types dream in the same way.