Panic Attacks

I woke up about 4 am this morning, with a horrible shock, completely startled and unable to breathe, I was in a terrible panic. I gasped for breath, and it came back in what must have only been a few seconds but felt like longer. The room was completely dark, and has been since I read the recent threads on the forum. I was then worried about going back to sleep in case it happened again,. I was sleeping on face down, and must have rolled in to that position because I started off on my back. I already feel a little anxious about tonight, but I am very tired!

The last couple of months have been very stressful - that might be a reason, but I wondered if any one had any thoughts?
I would be grateful to hear them.

thanks

Al
 
Hi alphonse, panic attacks are often a sign of taking insufficient GABA. Plus, remember to pipe breathe before sleeping - it helps. :)
 
Doing well with the diet.

I naturally do better on meats and fats - Carbs have always been no good for me - although I love 'em. I can't eat them.

So mainly meats and some veg, but family life has been a little tricky recently, and I am very stressed on many levels.

I did have fruit juice yesterday, not had any for years, only differance I can think of ?

Al
 
alphonse said:
Doing well with the diet.

I naturally do better on meats and fats - Carbs have always been no good for me - although I love 'em. I can't eat them.

So mainly meats and some veg, but family life has been a little tricky recently, and I am very stressed on many levels.

I did have fruit juice yesterday, not had any for years, only differance I can think of ?

Al

The sugars in the fruit juice could have done it.
 
Even though this is an old thread and the first post I'm about to quote is from 2006., many people are dealing with panic attacks and it seems they should be talked about more.

My first horrifying, big panic attack happened about 10 years ago. Since then I have been constantly reading and researching about panic attacks, their causes, and ways to heal. When they were happening, I couldn't see a definitive reason as to why, there could have been a number of causes to them, but I wanted to get to the root of the problem. I am still accumulating knowledge but as I learned a lot and managed to stop panick attacks and control anxiety, I would like to share my knowledge to help others. As I was going through the worst periods I often told myself that there must be a reason for this happening to me, everything happens for a reason, and that if I were able to help only one person with my experience in the future - that would be reason enough. That has kept me going.

It is well known that anxiety and panic attacks happen because of a certain trauma, loss of control in life, constant stress, ptsd, certain mental conditions, and spiritual questions, but should they last so long, for years, decades? I have always felt that there must be a physiological element to them. Maybe even physiological conditions are the cause of them. In my experience and research, it seems to be the truth or at least a part of it. (Maybe one side of the coin is spiritual and the other physiological, but they are true at the same time which also means that the problem can be approached from both sides, spiritual and physical for healing).

Does anyone know if having a panic attack is possible during sleep?
They are very common, triggered by stress, excitement, very emotional day, exhaustion, food one ate (sugars, processed food, msg...), alcohol, caffeine, certain physiological conditions. Sometimes it is hard to find the exact trigger because they can happen a few days or weeks after the event, which can leave a person confused as to why they happened 'out of nowhere'.
These panic attacks can wake you up from deep sleep in a state of terror without a cause, unable to breathe, heart racing... Sometimes they can go on all night, waking you up just as you are about to fall asleep, feeling like you cannot breathe which can be due to a sensitized nervous system (also can be due to sleep apnea).

I’m not sure whether my experience of what I called asphyxiating attack is as a result of external influences or as a consequence of doing the three-stage breathing
One physiological cause of panic attacks can be an inflamed vagus nerve. When that happens, breathing exercises can make panic attacks worse. (Also, if you have health anxiety, concentrating on your breathing, when you are already afraid of hyperventilating or stopping to breathe, is not helpful at all.)
When I stumbled upon books by Medical Medium, who says viruses and toxic heavy metals in the brain are the cause of panic attacks, it all just clicked for me, it made sense. Here is what he says on vagus nerve inflammation and paic attacks:
I woke up about 4 am this morning, with a horrible shock, completely startled and unable to breathe, I was in a terrible panic.
The same source says that people could have problems with sleeping and nighttime panic attacks because of liver problems.

"One possible cause stems from a liver that’s overheated, stagnant, or sluggish from toxins and a diet too high in fat or processed foods. The best way to have a full understanding of your liver and how to support it is to read Liver Rescue. The liver could also be inflamed because it is trying to fight one or more pathogens (viruses and bacteria) that have nested in the liver for many years, even decades, and they are releasing neurotoxins and dermatoxins. Research and science have not yet discovered that pathogens releasing these toxins are the cause of many symptoms and illnesses.
When you go to sleep for the night, your liver shuts down operation and runs on autopilot. By around three or four in the morning (it’s different for everyone), your liver starts to wake up again and once more begins to process poisons, viruses, and debris (such as dead cells, including dead red blood cells.). If you have a sluggish liver, then as the liver tries to do its job at this time, it goes into subtle spasm. Most of the time, it’s not anything you can feel, but for some people it’s enough to wake them up. This accounts for those nights when you fall asleep normally, then suddenly you’re up again in the early morning hours, and after a certain period of time, you’re able to nod off again. This can also explain those miserable nights of sleep where you drift in and out the whole time.
"
Source: Insomnia & Sleep Issues

Foods and supplements that help me have a good, anxiety-free sleep: mango (before going to bed), cherries, potatoes, lemon balm tea (or alcohol-free tincture), vitamin c, and magnesium glycinate.
 
A complementary emotional flavoring for negative involutory thoughts in a loop...

Sugar could be stealing your happiness
Sugar is not only a cause of metabolic disease. It also affects mental health.

(spanish) El azúcar podría estarte robando felicidad
When leptin levels are low (for example, a person on a crash diet) or we become resistant to leptin, negative emotions are one of the common symptoms.

Why not consume sugar
(spanish) https://www.psychologytoday.com/mx/....net/article/24066-Por-que-no-consumir-azucar
104. Decreasing sugar consumption can lead to greater emotional stability.
 
Even though this is an old thread and the first post I'm about to quote is from 2006., many people are dealing with panic attacks and it seems they should be talked about more.

My first horrifying, big panic attack happened about 10 years ago. Since then I have been constantly reading and researching about panic attacks, their causes, and ways to heal. When they were happening, I couldn't see a definitive reason as to why, there could have been a number of causes to them, but I wanted to get to the root of the problem. I am still accumulating knowledge but as I learned a lot and managed to stop panick attacks and control anxiety, I would like to share my knowledge to help others. As I was going through the worst periods I often told myself that there must be a reason for this happening to me, everything happens for a reason, and that if I were able to help only one person with my experience in the future - that would be reason enough. That has kept me going.

It is well known that anxiety and panic attacks happen because of a certain trauma, loss of control in life, constant stress, ptsd, certain mental conditions, and spiritual questions, but should they last so long, for years, decades? I have always felt that there must be a physiological element to them. Maybe even physiological conditions are the cause of them. In my experience and research, it seems to be the truth or at least a part of it. (Maybe one side of the coin is spiritual and the other physiological, but they are true at the same time which also means that the problem can be approached from both sides, spiritual and physical for healing).


They are very common, triggered by stress, excitement, very emotional day, exhaustion, food one ate (sugars, processed food, msg...), alcohol, caffeine, certain physiological conditions. Sometimes it is hard to find the exact trigger because they can happen a few days or weeks after the event, which can leave a person confused as to why they happened 'out of nowhere'.
These panic attacks can wake you up from deep sleep in a state of terror without a cause, unable to breathe, heart racing... Sometimes they can go on all night, waking you up just as you are about to fall asleep, feeling like you cannot breathe which can be due to a sensitized nervous system (also can be due to sleep apnea).


One physiological cause of panic attacks can be an inflamed vagus nerve. When that happens, breathing exercises can make panic attacks worse. (Also, if you have health anxiety, concentrating on your breathing, when you are already afraid of hyperventilating or stopping to breathe, is not helpful at all.)
When I stumbled upon books by Medical Medium, who says viruses and toxic heavy metals in the brain are the cause of panic attacks, it all just clicked for me, it made sense. Here is what he says on vagus nerve inflammation and paic attacks:

The same source says that people could have problems with sleeping and nighttime panic attacks because of liver problems.

"One possible cause stems from a liver that’s overheated, stagnant, or sluggish from toxins and a diet too high in fat or processed foods. The best way to have a full understanding of your liver and how to support it is to read Liver Rescue. The liver could also be inflamed because it is trying to fight one or more pathogens (viruses and bacteria) that have nested in the liver for many years, even decades, and they are releasing neurotoxins and dermatoxins. Research and science have not yet discovered that pathogens releasing these toxins are the cause of many symptoms and illnesses.
When you go to sleep for the night, your liver shuts down operation and runs on autopilot. By around three or four in the morning (it’s different for everyone), your liver starts to wake up again and once more begins to process poisons, viruses, and debris (such as dead cells, including dead red blood cells.). If you have a sluggish liver, then as the liver tries to do its job at this time, it goes into subtle spasm. Most of the time, it’s not anything you can feel, but for some people it’s enough to wake them up. This accounts for those nights when you fall asleep normally, then suddenly you’re up again in the early morning hours, and after a certain period of time, you’re able to nod off again. This can also explain those miserable nights of sleep where you drift in and out the whole time.
"
Source: Insomnia & Sleep Issues

Foods and supplements that help me have a good, anxiety-free sleep: mango (before going to bed), cherries, potatoes, lemon balm tea (or alcohol-free tincture), vitamin c, and magnesium glycinate.

I came across this link below,In view of the most recent Cs session and the mention of acetylcholine and the various mechanisms within the mind and body.

Vagusstoff (literally translated from German as "Vagus Substance") refers to the substance released by stimulation of the vagus nerve which causes a reduction in the heart rate. (Acetylcholine )


there is a huge resource of info on acetylcholine in the search box here on this site
maybe worthy of a specific discussion thread on it perhaps? Connect some dots so to speak.
The cholinergic antiinflammatory pathway is a neural mechanism that is controlled by the vagus nerve and inhibits local cytokine release, thereby preventing the damaging effects of cytokine overproduction. A new study now shows that dietary fat can activate this pathway,

 
Sugar could be stealing your happiness
Sugar is not only a cause of metabolic disease. It also affects mental health.

I want to add that not all sugars are bad. Processed white sugar and corn syrup are the worst.

Good sugars are sugars from fruit, vegetables, honey, maple syrup and coconut sugar. Our brains need sugar and these sugar sources are great to keep anxiety at bay.
 
I want to add that not all sugars are bad. Processed white sugar and corn syrup are the worst.

Good sugars are sugars from fruit, vegetables, honey, maple syrup and coconut sugar. Our brains need sugar and these sugar sources are great to keep anxiety at bay.

Yes. Mostly they talk about refined sugar/added sugar, also in their liquid presentations and others. In Sott, you can find all this, for example in this article:


In English it would be something like this:
Careful! Sugar hides under many different names on food labels

The body gets all the sugar it needs from natural sources, in fruits and vegetables. When combined with additional fiber, vitamins and minerals, natural sugar is processed slightly differently, compared to refined white sugar or the myriad of different names that the industry uses to disguise sugar in food.
 
@Rain thank you for digging up this thread. I wish I read it before I started to have panic attacks. Its less bad and more rare now, but I have one from time to time. I was actually very amused to hear about it, and didn't believe people who had them, until I started to have them. Never wish that to no one, its indescribable. By pure luck I discovered a thing that helps me a lot. Its rather silly actually. Its chewing gum. I take the gum with the strongest flavor that I can find, usually take two or three pieces at once, and chew it as strongly as I can, with moving my jaw as much as I can. And its bizarre, but it helps, it calms me down.
 
" with moving my jaw as much as I can. And its bizarre, but it helps, it calms me down. " Nevic

The first time i read Wilhelm Reich , it , impressed me how much one can learn from nature (human ) , if one is moved form an openess , pespective (?) , since humans are 3 centered , it , figures that aligning the moving center , willingly , intently , allows for self-actuation, like , say tai-chi or similar. ( makes sense ?, to use Carlos Castañeda's term , Tensegrity )
 

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