Paris shootout, explosions, casualties

Am I missing something here or is really wrong:

_http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/18/the-isis-poster-boy-for-paris-attack-is-no-mastermind.html

To call him a mastermind seems like saying a major or a lieutenant colonel was the mastermind of some battle plan,” a former senior U.S. intelligence official opined. “He seems more like the lead guy for the project, who more often than not is getting signoff from headquarters.


A CNN reported that,according to French counterterrorism officer and Abaoud may have been targeted:

_http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/europe/paris-terror-attack-mastermind-abdelhamid-abaaoud/index.htmlV
 
Further to the attacks on Charlie Hebdo and Paris according to the article
du "Monde", there's an effect of a wave of enlistement in the french army,
there are 1500 demands a day against 500 before the last attacks.-
Posted by: zak

i would think that the french authorities had that planned all along, from past experience of similar events, such as 9/11 for example... They spin their narrative in such a way, that compounded with current french economic downwards spiral, the taking up of arms seems more and more like a 'good choice' for an entire generation faced with no future what so ever ahead of them! This is one part that really scares me, as i see how the americans have screwed up an entire generation with their recent wars. So now, this will spread like wild fire. It's horrible to imagine a youth with no other option than the army, a tragedy in my eyes...
 
Until this becomes it's own thing, it probably fits here

https://www.rt.com/uk/322769-london-baker-street-explosion-threat/
‘Loud explosion’ after security alert, evacuation at London tube station

An explosion has been heard in the vicinity of London’s Baker Street underground station, prompting worried Londoners to wonder if it had been a controlled police demolition or a bomb going off. The station had been evacuated earlier due to a suspicious vehicle.

Seems TPTB like doing these things at night recently, guess the sleep disruptions is good for spreading panic/fear.
 
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I don't know if this is relevant here, and sorry if not .

On his last video, the French artist Dieudonné told that he was playing in his home theater 100 meters far from the restaurant at the rue de Charonne (upper sign on the map).
 
On the St. Denis raids:

By then, French police and armed forces allegedly had fired around 5000 rounds of ammunition and used several grenades.
- http://www.sott.net/article/306785-SOTT-Exclusive-Terror-mastermind-and-female-suicide-bomber-killed-Some-questions-about-the-St-Denis-raid.

I have no expert opinion on how these situations are tactically revolved, but this number of 5,000 rounds seems to me extraordinary. The NY Times reports that the 5,000 rounds were fired within 1 hour:

To get through a reinforced door, the police had to set explosives, giving the people inside time to prepare. A furious firefight ensued, with the police unleashing 5,000 rounds over the next hour and employing snipers and grenades.
- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/world/europe/paris-attacks.html

In this video, about 1 round per second can be heard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9nnqQFgnM

If this were kept up for an hour, that would be 3,600 rounds (3,600 seconds in an hour.) One wonders what exactly they could be shooting at? If there were still 6 target suspects alive during this firefight, that would still be 600 rounds per suspect. If they were actually aiming and shooting at a visible target for these shots, the targets would seem to have extraordinary bullet-proof qualities. Or is the technique just to shoot in the general direction of where the suspects are presumed to be? Does one just continually fire at an open doorway every second, hoping that at some point the suspect puts their head through and gets shot?

Could 5,000 rounds be required not so much as a matter of efficiently taking down the targets, but as a theatrical demonstration that France is at war?
 
Mal7 said:
On the St. Denis raids:

By then, French police and armed forces allegedly had fired around 5000 rounds of ammunition and used several grenades.
- http://www.sott.net/article/306785-SOTT-Exclusive-Terror-mastermind-and-female-suicide-bomber-killed-Some-questions-about-the-St-Denis-raid.

I have no expert opinion on how these situations are tactically revolved, but this number of 5,000 rounds seems to me extraordinary. The NY Times reports that the 5,000 rounds were fired within 1 hour:

To get through a reinforced door, the police had to set explosives, giving the people inside time to prepare. A furious firefight ensued, with the police unleashing 5,000 rounds over the next hour and employing snipers and grenades.
- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/world/europe/paris-attacks.html

In this video, about 1 round per second can be heard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9nnqQFgnM

If this were kept up for an hour, that would be 3,600 rounds (3,600 seconds in an hour.) One wonders what exactly they could be shooting at? If there were still 6 target suspects alive during this firefight, that would still be 600 rounds per suspect. If they were actually aiming and shooting at a visible target for these shots, the targets would seem to have extraordinary bullet-proof qualities. Or is the technique just to shoot in the general direction of where the suspects are presumed to be? Does one just continually fire at an open doorway every second, hoping that at some point the suspect puts their head through and gets shot?

Could 5,000 rounds be required not so much as a matter of efficiently taking down the targets, but as a theatrical demonstration that France is at war?


It is a show and also a sort of conditioning people to violence. A continuity of the "shock". This is really mean. Studying how they are, their acts, we are entering a very pervert mind. Everything they do is a study of perversity. Valls and company, how pervert they are!
 
Bear said:
Figured this thread might be the best place for a portion of an interview with Trump, since you can see the attack in France reverberating and where it might lead in the US.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-has-big-plans-1303117537878070.html
Yahoo News asked Trump whether his push for increased surveillance of American Muslims could include warrantless searches. He suggested he would consider a series of drastic measures.

“We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”

Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.

“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”

We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy.

And there it is. The mystery to Trump mania begins to reveal itself. A reminder to any who may have forgotten:

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." - Karl Christian Rove (whose birthday is Dec. 25, 1950 - can this get any more ironic?)

From today's post by Paul Craig Roberts:

Will The Matrix Prevail?


The Paris attack is playing out as I expected. The French government is attacking French civil liberty with legislation similar to the US PATRIOT Act. Readers in France have informed me that 84% of the French people, according to a poll, are content to be spied upon as long as it keeps them safe. This means that only 16% of the French nation is not brain dead.

Another reader informs me that a TV news station read a letter left behind by one of the alleged ISIL bombers, a letter written in perfect English. Really! I mean, Really! Those with their secret agendas know how stupid the Western peoples are, collectively a hopeless basket case.

French and American politicians are demanding that NATO Article 5 be used to put NATO boots on the ground in Syria. This is important not in order to fight ISIL, which the Russians are successfully doing, but to overthrow Assad under the pretext of fighting ISIL, a crazy policy that could bring conflict with Russia.

Alternatively, to avoid conflict with Russia, Washington can take advantage of the Russian government’s hope that the Paris attack will show the West that Putin was correct that the West should join Russia in opposing ISIL. Once a NATO-Russian coalition, as advocated by French Prime Minister Manuel Valls, is formed, Putin becomes the West’s captive in the overthrow of Assad.

To insure that no one is informed of the true facts by the English language Russian media, such as RT and Sputnik, the US Senate arranged hearings on foreign propaganda. Kenneth Weinstein, a member of the US Broadcasting Board of Governors, that is, the censors, told the senators that RT, Sputnik, and a variety of other truthful news sources are “well-funded state propaganda outlets.”

In other words, only believe what you read in Washington-controlled propaganda outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Fox News, CNN, BBC, NPR, and so forth.

The aftermath of the Paris attack is like the aftermath of the so-called Boston Marathon Bombing. Fifty heavily armed police converged on two people and murdered them. The murdered female is described even by RT as a “female suicide bomber.” If the murdered woman is a suicide bomber, how is she still alive to be murdered by police? Not even the “Russian propaganda outlet” RT asks why 50 heavily armed police were unable to capture two people alive and had to kill them!

A number of readers have sent to me information that indicates that the Paris attack was reported on both Wikipedia and Twitter the day before it occurred. I do not know what to make of this. I do remember that the BBC reported the collapse of WTC building 7 prior to its collapse. The BBC reporter is actually standing in front of the still standing WTC 7 as she makes the report of its collapse. In other words, orchestration mistakes occur. But hardly any of the brainwashed public notices.

The question that raises itself is to what extent is this false flag attack in Paris a hoax. Why don’t we see the large number of dead and wounded. What we seem to have are uninjured crisis actors.

Where are the eyewitness videos?

Witnesses in behalf of the official story seem to have performed the same function on other occasions:

Having been at the top of government, journalism, and academia for a lifetime, it is clear to me that there is a great deal wrong with the explanations that people are being given. However, the majority of Western peoples have been thoroughly brainwashed to believe that anyone who doubts official explanations is a “conspiracy theorist.”

In other words, only governments and their media presstitutes tell the truth.

This makes it simple for governments with their secret agendas to protect their agendas from the facts. Who would believe me when the alternative is to believe Fox News, CNN, the BBC, NPR, Dubya, Obama, Wolfowitz, Hollande, Merkel, Cameron, the “Weakly” Standard?

If Putin’s government and the Chinese people are so desperately determined to be part of the “glorious West” that they will accept a false reality, the world is doomed.

If it is up to Western politicians, the world is doomed for sure. To the man and the woman they are warmongers. Moreover, the response to the false flag/hoax attack is mindless. The morons declare that the West is attacked because it allows women to be educated. The West is attacked because of “French values and French way of life, because we dance” (Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius).

In other words, the nonsense that worked for the idiot US president, George W. Bush, works for the French. “We are attacked because we are good.” All of us good people here in the West would never be attacked because we have looted and robbed the Middle East for a century and followed up the looting with 14 years of military devastation of seven countries, producing millions of deaths and displaced persons.

Really, it is a wonder that there are not round-the-clock REAL TERRORIST ATTACKS on Western countries, who certainly deserve them.

_http://patriotrising.com/2015/11/19/will-the-matrix-prevail-paul-craig-roberts/

Giving the lie what it deserves . . .
 
Paul's on a roll - excerpt from his post of 11/17:

Now let us turn to questions of identification of the alleged “Paris terrorists.” Is it realistic to suppose that the millions of refugees from Washington and its European vassals’ wars in the Middle East have passports? Were these millions of refugees expecting to be driven by White Civilization’s Bombs out of their countries and thus had prepared themselves with passports in order to flee?

Did they write on their passport applications that they were going to be visiting Europe?

Was the beleaguered country, their homeland, under full military assault, able to process all these millions of passports?

What sort of dumbshit Western media goes along with the passport story — a media well paid to lie for Washington’s hegemony and crimes?

One final question for skeptics. Where are the photographs of the terrorists during their terrorizing? Surrounding the scenes of violence there were not only abundant security cameras, but also hundreds, even thousands, of people with cell phones that have cameras. With all of these photos, how is it possible that the authorities do not know if some terrorists escaped, and if so, who they are and what they look like? Why are the authorities relying on fake passports for photos of the terrorists?

Terrorism has been unleashed in the Western World, and it is the terrorism of Western governments against Western peoples.

_http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/17/more-paris-puzzles-paul-craig-roberts/
 
And, right now in Mali:

Mali attack: gunmen take 170 hostages at Bamako hotel
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/20/gunmen-take-hostages-radisson-hotel-mali-bamako

UN officials tells CNN that three people killed in attack, as security sources say hostages who were able to quote the Qur’an have been released

Matthew Weaver in London and agencies in Bamako
Friday 20 November 2015 10.08 GMT Last modified on Friday 20 November 2015 10.45 GMT

Gunmen have attacked a Radisson hotel in Mali’s capital, Bamako, and are holding 170 hostages, the hotel company has confirmed.

At least three people – two Malian and one French person – were killed in the attack, a UN official told CNN.

Malian army commander Modibo Nama Traore said 10 gunmen stormed the Radisson Blu hotel shouting “Allahu Akbar” before shooting at guards and taking hostages.

Some hostages, including those able to recite verses of the Qur’an, were later released, security sources told Reuters. A security source told AFP that the gunmen were “jihadis” and entered the hotel compound in a car that had diplomatic plates.

“It’s all happening on the seventh floor, jihadists are firing in the corridor,” AFP’s source said.

The hotel is just west of the city centre in a neighbourhood that is home to government ministries and diplomats.


Radisson hotel in Mali’s capital, Bamako

In a statement the US-based Rezidor group, which owns the hotel, said 140 guests and 30 staff were being held hostage by two gunmen.

“The Rezidor Hotel Group … is aware of the hostage-taking that is ongoing at the property today, 20th November 2015. As per our information two persons have locked in 140 guests and 30 employees,” the company said in a statement quoted by AFP.

“Our safety and security teams and our corporate team are in constant contact with the local authorities in order to offer any support possible to re-instate safety and security at the hotel,” it added.

The Chinese state news agency Xinhua said at least seven Chinese tourists were among those trapped inside the building.

The US embassy in Bamako said in a series of tweets that it was aware of an “ongoing shooter situation” and advised its citizens to seek shelter.

Northern Mali was occupied by Islamist fighters, some with links to al-Qaida, for most of 2012. Although they were driven out by a French-led military operation, sporadic violence continues.

An Islamist group claimed responsibility for the death of five people last March in an attack on a restaurant in Bamako popular with foreigners.
 
Alana said:
And, right now in Mali:

Mali attack: gunmen take 170 hostages at Bamako hotel
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/20/gunmen-take-hostages-radisson-hotel-mali-bamako

UN officials tells CNN that three people killed in attack, as security sources say hostages who were able to quote the Qur’an have been released

Matthew Weaver in London and agencies in Bamako
Friday 20 November 2015 10.08 GMT Last modified on Friday 20 November 2015 10.45 GMT

Gunmen have attacked a Radisson hotel in Mali’s capital, Bamako, and are holding 170 hostages, the hotel company has confirmed.

At least three people – two Malian and one French person – were killed in the attack, a UN official told CNN.

Malian army commander Modibo Nama Traore said 10 gunmen stormed the Radisson Blu hotel shouting “Allahu Akbar” before shooting at guards and taking hostages.

Some hostages, including those able to recite verses of the Qur’an, were later released, security sources told Reuters. A security source told AFP that the gunmen were “jihadis” and entered the hotel compound in a car that had diplomatic plates.

“It’s all happening on the seventh floor, jihadists are firing in the corridor,” AFP’s source said.

The hotel is just west of the city centre in a neighbourhood that is home to government ministries and diplomats.


Radisson hotel in Mali’s capital, Bamako

In a statement the US-based Rezidor group, which owns the hotel, said 140 guests and 30 staff were being held hostage by two gunmen.

“The Rezidor Hotel Group … is aware of the hostage-taking that is ongoing at the property today, 20th November 2015. As per our information two persons have locked in 140 guests and 30 employees,” the company said in a statement quoted by AFP.

“Our safety and security teams and our corporate team are in constant contact with the local authorities in order to offer any support possible to re-instate safety and security at the hotel,” it added.

The Chinese state news agency Xinhua said at least seven Chinese tourists were among those trapped inside the building.

The US embassy in Bamako said in a series of tweets that it was aware of an “ongoing shooter situation” and advised its citizens to seek shelter.

Northern Mali was occupied by Islamist fighters, some with links to al-Qaida, for most of 2012. Although they were driven out by a French-led military operation, sporadic violence continues.

An Islamist group claimed responsibility for the death of five people last March in an attack on a restaurant in Bamako popular with foreigners.

Flights from Paris (one too Bamako and one too San Fransisco), diverted.
ALERT Air France #AF84 to San Francisco is doing U turn over the channel. Live: http://ift.tt/1lykfnz
https://twitter.com/airlivenet
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LIVE: Air France #AF3852 to Bamako is returning to Paris - reason unknown - @NikPhillips666
https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/666301217853874176
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Edits:Corrections For accuracy.
 
Sky News Live On the Radisson Blu hotel hostage situation
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg

Sky News ‏@SkyNews 13m13 minutes ago
_https://twitter.com/SkyNews
Elite French police units have been dispatched to Mali amid the ongoing hostage crisis.

Its been reported that the culprits were speaking English by this news agency.
Edit:Update
 
about the French attack. Joe Quinn is in the program. :)

http://presstv.com/Detail/2015/11/19/438371/Debate-Blowback-of-Wests-support-for-Syria-militants
 

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