Paris shootout, explosions, casualties

angelburst29, saw your post too late, is good to know from where is coming certain sites.
 
Solie said:
One thing that interest me is, an attack took down the French mobile data network 48 hours prior to and during the Paris attacks and 'blinded' police surveillance (not that it takes a network to notice a threat with your own eyes). The attack was not a straightforward DDOS attack but a sophisticated attack that targeted and weaken infrastructure hardware. Such an attack is beyond the capability of most organizations and requires capability that is unlikely to be in ISIL's arsenal. The main way for such groups to get that kind of training is for foreign intelligence agencies to provide it.

I was curious about this piece of data so I looked it up. The only source I could find was this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/french-security-left-blind-during-november-13-paris-terror-attacks/5489213

French Security Left Blind During November 13 Paris Terror Attacks

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

I have received a report from European security that there was a massive cyber attack on French systems 48 hours prior to and during the Paris attacks.

Amongst other things, the attack took down the French mobile data network and blinded police surveillance. The attack was not a straightforward DDOS attack but a sophisticated attack that targeted a weakness in infrastructure hardware.

Such an attack is beyond the capability of most organizations and requires capability that is unlikely to be in ISIL’s arsenal. An attack on this scale is difficult to pull off without authorities getting wind of it. The coordination required suggests state involvement.

It is common for people with no experience in government to believe that false flag attacks are not possible, because they think the entire government would have to be involved and not everyone would go along with it. Someone would talk. However, if the report I have received is correct, hardly anyone has to be involved, and security forces are simply disabled.

Remember the reports that during 9/11, a simulation of the actual events that were occuring was being conducted, thus confusing responsible parties about the reality.

I am unable to reveal any further information.

If security experts find the information credible, they should direct their inquiries to the French authorities.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts’ latest books areThe Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.

The original source of this article is Paul Craig Roberts
 
The most problematic details so far, in my opinion, are the

-expressionless, calm, muscular, tall white commando type of guy that carried out the shooting at the bistro cafe like a military operation and left in that black Mercedes(and is still not accounted for?)

-pawns with the suicide vests that blew up without being within reach of any crowd.

The former sounds very professional and somehow has evaded all security. The latter sound like the exact opposite.
 
Windmill knight said:
Solie said:
One thing that interest me is, an attack took down the French mobile data network 48 hours prior to and during the Paris attacks and 'blinded' police surveillance (not that it takes a network to notice a threat with your own eyes). The attack was not a straightforward DDOS attack but a sophisticated attack that targeted and weaken infrastructure hardware. Such an attack is beyond the capability of most organizations and requires capability that is unlikely to be in ISIL's arsenal. The main way for such groups to get that kind of training is for foreign intelligence agencies to provide it.

I was curious about this piece of data so I looked it up. The only source I could find was this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/french-security-left-blind-during-november-13-paris-terror-attacks/5489213

French Security Left Blind During November 13 Paris Terror Attacks

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

I have received a report from European security that there was a massive cyber attack on French systems 48 hours prior to and during the Paris attacks.


I checked the Internet again and the only source - for that information - I can find is Dr. Paul Craig Roberts. While searching that - happened upon this idem:

Britain hit by massive cyber-attack as Islamic State hackers launch assault against Anonymous
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/britain-hit-massive-cyber-attack-6854486

Britain has come under sustained cyber-attack as Islamist hackers launch revenge attacks against Anonymous, the shadowy group which has vowed to wipe "ISIS off the internet".

Unknown assailants launched their assault late last night and continued throughout the day.

Using a Twitter account set up to publicise its anti-ISIS operation, Anonymous said Britain had been "lit up" by the digital blitzkreig.

Although it is often impossible to tell who is behind serious cyber-attacks, it is likely that ISIS supporters have targeted Britain in revenge for an Anonymous campaign called OpParis.

This has seen an estimated 5,000 ISIS propaganda accounts shut down on Twitter and the publication of the names and addresses of a number of alleged extremist "recruiters".

The map below shows the intensity of the assault on the UK.

It comes from an online service called Digital Attack Map, which charts attacks around the world. (More at site.)


Anonymous planning 'massive' cyber attack against ISIS following Paris attacks
http://www.examiner.com/article/anonymous-planning-massive-cyber-attack-against-isis-following-paris-attacks

After 129 people were killed and hundreds more left injured after an ISIS-linked terrorist attack in various cities in Paris last Friday, the world was put on notice at how serious the Islamic terrorist group is. The majority of their communication and recruiting has been through the internet, which one hacker group plans to take out.

The city of Paris was left a bloodbath on Friday night, as suicide bombers and other terrorists unleashed their actions on hundreds of innocent civilians. Following the attacks, it was reported by various news outlets that the group might have used a PlayStation 4 gaming console to construct their plan, and have used other social media outlets in the past for similar actions. In response, the hacking group known as Anonymous released a YouTube video promising "massive cyber attacks," against ISIS, as reported by The Hill on Nov. 16.

"Expect massive cyber attacks. War is declared. Get prepared," the masked Anonymous figure said while reading a prepared statement. "Anonymous from all over the world will hunt you down." In tweet sent out by the group's official Twitter feed, Anonymous states, "Make no mistake: #Anonymous is at war with #Daesh. We won't stop opposing #IslamicState. We're also better hackers."

The masked figure was speaking French, in what appears to be a direct retaliation to the attacks last Friday. While the group is acting in response to those attacks, they made it clear that they have been targeting ISIS for some time. "Just to be clear: #Anonymous hasn't only just declared war on #IslamicState, we've been at war for quite some time already.

Cyber warfare expert David Gewirtz spoke to CBS News, elaborating on the impact that cyber attacks have on terrorist groups. "They can't be used to arrest people or take terrorists off the field, but they can certainly be used to compromise structural components of terrorist operations," Gewirtz said. "More to the point, they can go after both the money that terrorists have and their funding sources." As of press time, ISIS has not responded to the threats of Anonymous.
 
mabar said:
Laura said:
Eos said:
goyacobol said:
Kaigen said:
This came out just on my FB but it some blogger who climes he busted the Paris shooting.
_http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/11/16/the-french-government-staged-paris-terror-attacks/

Check this out!
BUSTED: TOTALLY PROVEN BEYOND ALL DOUBT: THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT STAGED THE ATTACKS, ROUNDED UP THE FUTURE “VICTIMS” AFTER THEY LEFT THE BATACLAN, MURDERED THEM WHILE THEY WERE IN CUSTODY, AND THEN SET UP THE BLOODY SCENE WITH THE BODIES.

A GLITCH IN THE MEXICAN MEDIA HAS PROVEN THAT THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT MURDERED “VICTIMS” WHILE IN CUSTODY OF THE AUTHORITIES. WE DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT OF DEAD PEOPLE IN THESE “TERROR ATTACKS” AND IT LOOKS LIKE NONE DIED “IN THE NAME OF ISLAM”.

BUSTED: THE ONE MEXICAN GIRL (Nohemi Gonzalez) WHO DIED WAS CONFIRMED ALIVE AFTER THE BATACLAN SHOOTING WHEN HER FAMILY CALLED HER BOYFRIEND’S PHONE AFTER HEARING ABOUT THE SHOOTING IN THE MEXICAN MEDIA.
There is more.

Kaigen,

If this is true it is the same tactic the Cs said happened with the Charlie Hebdo "victims" that were on "ice" and then brought to the scene. Wow! :wow:

I think you guys are really going too far ! So many people involved... Have a drink, take it easy :)

You don't need a drink, but yeah, take some deep breaths and don't get excited by everything you read.

Kaigen, I went to see that link, I was wondering how come I did not catch that -presumable-glitch!!, I had been seeing Mexican TV news as well, the author is doing the same as he complains, mixing things.

just for wiw ... both Mexican victims were killed/shot at different restaurants not at the Bataclan's; Michelli Gill was the one who was going to get married and her french boyfriend was interviewed and, Nohemi Gonzales was an exchange student of the University of California, she had double nationality. _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11995836/Paris-attacks-who-are-the-victims.html

Thanks mabar it is as you said, good to know, from where is coming certain sites.
Going to looking closely next time and not drink as Laura said. ;)
 
Kaigen said:
mabar said:
Laura said:
Eos said:
goyacobol said:
Kaigen said:

Kaigen,

If this is true it is the same tactic the Cs said happened with the Charlie Hebdo "victims" that were on "ice" and then brought to the scene. Wow! :wow:

I think you guys are really going too far ! So many people involved... Have a drink, take it easy :)

You don't need a drink, but yeah, take some deep breaths and don't get excited by everything you read.

Kaigen, I went to see that link, I was wondering how come I did not catch that -presumable-glitch!!, I had been seeing Mexican TV news as well, the author is doing the same as he complains, mixing things.

just for wiw ... both Mexican victims were killed/shot at different restaurants not at the Bataclan's; Michelli Gill was the one who was going to get married and her french boyfriend was interviewed and, Nohemi Gonzales was an exchange student of the University of California, she had double nationality. _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11995836/Paris-attacks-who-are-the-victims.html

Thanks mabar it is as you said, good to know, from where is coming certain sites.
Going to looking closely next time and not drink as Laura said. ;)

Gee, I was just getting excited and had a few drinks before I saw Laura's advice :oops: (just kidding). But seriously the sources need to be verified as much as possible and we need to stay "balanced" for sure. Thanks to Eos for noticing the questionable link and Laura for the sane and calming advice. :)
 
This article reveals some interesting details - of France's behind the scenes Politics - and a deeper meaning to President Putin's words on September 28th at the U.N., addressing the United States and France, when Putin exclaimed: I would like to ask those responsible for this situation – "Are you at least aware of what you have done ?"

The French Republic taken hostage
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189300.html

17 November 2015 - The war which has now spread to Paris is incomprehensible for those French citizens who are ignorant of practically all the secret activities of their government in the Arab world, of its unnatural alliances with the Gulf dictators, and its active participation in international terrorism. These policies have never been discussed in Parliament, and the major media have rarely dared to take an interest in them.

For the last five years, the French people have been hearing about distant wars, but without ever understanding what they meant. The Press informed them about the engagement of their army in Libya, but never about the presence of French soldiers on mission in the Levant.

France was attacked on the night of Friday 13th November 2015 by several commandos who massacred at least 130 people in five different areas of Paris. The state of emergency was decreed for a period of 12 days over the whole territory, and may be extended by act of Parliament.

The French Press interprets these acts of war by linking them to the attack made on Charlie Hebdo, although the operational modes were completely different. In January, the attack was aimed at killing specific people, while in this case, it was a co-ordinated attack on a large number of people chosen at random.

We know today that just before the January attack, the editor-in-chief of Charlie Hebdo had received a « gift » of 200,000 Euros from the Near East in order to continue his anti-Muslim campaign [1] ; that the killers were linked to the French intelligence services [2] ; and that the origin of their weapons is covered by the Official Secrets Act [3]. I have already demonstrated that the attack was not an Islamist operation [4], that it was immediately recuperated by a state [5], and that this recuperation had raised echoes in populations hostile to the Republic [6] – an idea which was brilliantly developed a few months later by the demographer Emmanuel Todd [7].

To get back to the war which has just spread to Paris, it has been a shock for Western Europe. It can not be compared to the attacks in Madrid in 2004. In Spain, there were no shooters, no kamikazes, but 10 bombs placed in 4 separate locations [8]. The type of horror which has just exploded in France is the daily lot of many populations of the « Wider Middle East », and has been since 2001. And comparable events can be found elsewhere, like the three days of attacks in six distinct locations, in Bombay, 2008 [9].

Even if the assaillants of the 13th November were Muslims, and even if some of them shouted « Allah Akbar ! » as they killed passers-by, there is no link to such earlier attacks, to Islam, or to an eventual « war of civilisations ». These commandos had clearly received the order to kill at random, without first enquiring as to the religion of their victims.

In the same way, it is absurd to take at face value the motive claimed by Daesh against France – even if there is no doubt about its implication in this attack. Indeed, if the terrorist organisation had wanted to « avenge » itself, it would have struck at Moscow.

France has been a terrorist state since at least 2011

The interpretation of these events is unclear, because behind non-state groups there are always states which sponsor them. In the 1970’s, the Venezualan Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, known as « Carlos » or « The Jackal » aligned himself by conviction with the Palestinian cause and the Revolution, and was offered the discrete support of the USSR. In the 1980’s, the example of Carlos was revived by mercenaries working for the highest bidder, like Sabri al Banna, known as « Abou Nidal », who carried out terrorist attacks for Libya and Syria as well as Israël. Today, there exists a cloudy network of terrorism and secret actors implicating a large number of states.

In principle, states always deny their participation in terrorist groups. However, the French Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, declared in December 2012, during the « Friends of Syria » conference in Marrakesh, that Al-Nusra, the Syrian branch of Al-Qaïda, had « done a good job » [10].

Because of his status, M. Fabius knew that he did not risk being taken to court to answer for supporting an organisation listed as « terrorist » by United Nations Security Council, but he took a serious risk for his country by dropping them into the cauldron of terrorism with this statement.

In truth, France had been implicated on the side of Al-Qaïda at least since the beginning of 2011. At that time, the United Kingdom and France had signed up for the US project called « the Arab Spring ». The goal of this operation was to overthrow all the secular Arab régimes and replace them with dictatorships run by the Muslim Brotherhood. Although London and Paris had discovered this operation while it was on-going in Tunisia and in Egypt, they had previously been solicited for Libya and Syria [11]. In Libya, with the help of the Italian Special Forces, they organised the massacres in Benghazi, and then, with the help of Al-Qaïda, the capture of the Libyan arsenals. I can attest to the fact that in August 2011, while I was under the protection of Khamis el-Kadhafi, NATO assaulted the capital, and the Hotel Rixos, where we were staying, was seiged to cries of « Allah Akbar ! » by by a unit of Al-Qaïda. They were called the Tripoli Brigade, and were commanded by Mahdi al-Harati and supervised by operational French officers. The same Mahdi al-Harati was present with his commanding officer, Abdelhakim Belhaj, the founder of the so-called « Free Syrian Army » which was in reality a section of Al-Qaïda, fighting under the French colonial flag.

In Syria, the presence of French officers supervising armed groups while they were committing crimes against humanity is widely attested.

France then went on to play an extremely complex and dangerous game. In January 2013 - in other words, one month after Laurent Fabius’ public support for Al-Qaïda in Syria - France launched an operation in Mali against the same Al-Qaïda, provoking the first reaction against its agents infiltrated in Syria.


You, of course, have never heard anything about all that, because although France has democratic institutions, its current policy in the Arab world has never been publicly discussed. In violation of article 35 of the Constitution, it decided to enter into war with Libya and Syria after only a few hours of superficial parliamentary debate - at the most - and without a vote. The French parliamentarians thus discarded their mandate to excercise control over the Executive as far as foreign policy was concerned, apparently believing that this was a private domain of the President, and without real consequence for daily life. However, as anyone can now see, on the contrary, peace and security, one of the four « Human and Citizens’ Rights » of 1789 (article 2), depend upon it directly. The worst is yet to come.

In the beginning of 2014, while the liberal US hawks were working on their plan for the transformation of the Islamic Emirate in Iraq and Cham into what was going to become Daesh, France and Turkey transported munitions to Al-Qaïda so that they could fight the Islamic Emirate – this point is attested by a document presented to the Security Council on the 14th July 2014 [12]. However, France later joined this secret operation, and participated in the international anti-Daesh Coalition, which, as everyone now knows, contrary to its name, did not bomb Daesh, but delivered weapons to it for a year [13]. The situation evolved further after the signature of the 5+1 agreement with Iran. The United States suddenly turned on the terrorist organisation and pushed it back to Al-Hasakah (Syria) [14]. But it was only in mid-October 2015 – a month ago – that France began to fight Daesh. Not to stop the massacres, but to conquer part of the territory it occupies in Syria and Iraq, and install a new colonial state which is to be called « Kurdistan », even though the Kurdish population will be largely in the minority [15].

In this perspective, France sent its aircraft-carrier – which has not yet arrived – to support the Marxist-Leninists of the Kurdish party YPG against its ex-ally Daesh.
But what does this polititcal reference mean when the project is to create a colonial state ?.

We are currently witnessing the second reaction. Not from al-Qaïda in Syria this time, but from Daesh in France, on the instructions od France’s unmentionable allies.

Who directs Daesh

Daesh is an artificial creation. It is nothing more than the instrument of the policies of several states and multinationals.

Its principal financial resources come from petrol, Afghan drugs – of which the French have not yet understood the implications on their own territory – and Levantine antiques.
Everyone agrees that the stolen petrol freely crosses Turkey before being sold in Western Europe. Given the quantities involved, there can be no possible doubt about Turkish support for Daesh [16].

Three weeks ago, a spokesperson for the Syrian Arab Army revealed that three planes, respectively chartered by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, had exfiltrated Daesh combatants from Syria and taken them to Yemen. Once again, there can be no possible doubt concerning the links between these three states and Daesh, in violation of the pertinent resolutions of the UN Security Council.

Following the first Geneva Conference in June 2012, I explained in depth that a faction within the US state apparatus was waging its own policy, contrary to that of the White House. At first, this conspiracy was directed by the head of the CIA, which was the co-founder of Daesh in 2007 (« The Surge ») [17], General David Petraeus, until his removal in handcuffs the day after the re-election of President Barack Obama. Then it was the turn of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was prevented by an unfortunate « accident » from completing her mandate during the period of presidential transition. Finally, the combat was continued by ambassador Jeffrey Feltman from his offices at the UNO, and by General John Allen, at the head of the phoney anti-Daesh Coalition. This group, a part of the US « deep state », which had never ceased from opposing the 5+1 agreement with Iran and fighting the Syrian Arab Republic, maintains its members within the Obama administration. Above all, it can count on the multinational corporations, whose budgets are greater than those of the states themselves, and who can finance their own secret operations. In particular, this is the case of the petrol company Exxon-Mobil (the true owner of Qatar), the investment fund KKR, and the private army Academi (ex-Blackwater).

France has thus become a mercenary state working for these multinationals.

France, object of blackmail

On the 11th November 2015, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls declared that France was engaged against terrorism [18].

On the 12th November, the Observatoire national de la délinquance et des réponses pénales (National Observatory for Delinquency and Legal Response) - attached to the Ministry of the Interior – published a report stating that terrorism has become the second preoccupation of the French people, after unemployment [19].

On the morning of the 13th November, in Nanterre, the Minister for the Interior, Bernard Cazeneuve, presented a 20-part plan to limit the arms traffic [20].

Clearly, the government was expecting the worst, which implies that France was in negotiation with the organisation that attacked it. France made engagements that it did not respect, and is now certainly the victim of blackmail by the terrorist leaders it has betrayed.


An excercise simulating terrorist attacks was carried out on the very morning of the attack by the hospital emergency services [21]. A coïncidence that had already been revealed during the attacks of the 11th September 2001 in New York and Washington, those of the 11th March 2004 in Madrid, and also the 7th July 2005 in London.

Provisional Conclusion

The successive French governments have created alliances with states whose values are opposed to those of the Republic. They have successively engaged in secret wars on their behalf, and then retreated. President Hollande, his private Chief of Staff, General Benoit Puga, his Minister for Foreign Affairs, Laurent Fabius, and Fabius’ predecessor Alain Juppé, are today the objects of blackmail from which they can not extricate themselves without revealing the mess in which they have implicated their country, even if this exposes them to the High Court of Justice.

On the 28th September, at the tribune of the United Nations, President Putin, addressing the United States and France, exclaimed: « I would like to ask those responsible for this situation – "Are you at least aware of what you have done ?" But I fear that this question will remain unanswered, because these people have not renounced their politicies, which are based on an exaggerated self-confidence and the conviction of their exceptional nature and their impunity » [22]. Neither the United States nor France listened to him. It is now too late.

Keep in mind
- The French government has progressively distanced itself from international legality. It has perpetrated political assassinations and supported terrorist actions since at least 2011.
- The French government has created unnatural alliances with the petrol dictatorships of the Persian Gulf. It is working with a group of US personalities and multinational companies to sabotage the politicies of appeasement advanced by Presidents Obama and Putin.
- The French government has entered into conflict with some untrustworthy allies. One of these organisations sponsored the attacks in Paris.
 
goyacobol said:
Perceval,

What do you make of this incident? Is it a real attempt to capture a straggling terrorist or just more scare tactics? :huh:

More staged drama to 'tied up loose ends' I think. The woman "suicide bomber" stands at the window with her hands up shouting "help me! help me!" then goes back inside and there is an explosion and this is the "suicide bombing". Does anyone remember the Madrid train bombings? A similar scenario played out there where the remaining members of the "cell" (read manipulated patsies) blew up their apartments. Nice and neat, no chance to question anyone. This is pure theater where the remaining individuals who were groomed as the patsies in this drama are removed from the equation to the shock and awe of all.

Sad.
 
JEEP said:
alkhemst said:
Friday the 13th marked the day the Templars, a tool of the powers that were, but clearly needed to be disposed of - they were massacred in France, literally all of them bar the top guy, who eventually went on to start Freemasonry or so the story goes. Perhaps a similar thing with ISIS a tool of the PTB.

From Wiki
King Philip IV of France, deeply in debt to the Templars, had Molay and many other French Templars arrested in 1307 and tortured into making false confessions. When Molay later retracted his confession, Philip had him burned upon a scaffold on an island in the River Seine in front of Notre Dame de Paris, in March 1314.

Yeah sorry you're right wasn't the leader Jacques de Molay although he apparently lived for 7 years between the Knights Templar massacre and him being burnt alive. In any case this was the source of the above idea:

For Grand Master Jacques de Molay, just prior to his execution in 1313, sent the surviving thirteen French Templars to establish four new Metropolitan lodges: one at Stockholm for the north, one at Naples for the east, one at Paris for the south, and one at Edinburgh for the west. Thus, the Knights remained the militant arm of the papacy. Except that their wealth, their secrecy, their gnostic cabalism, and their oath of papal obedience were obscurely dispersed under a variety of corporate names. A subtle provision in Vox clamantis transferred most Templar estates to the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, who took possession after King Philip’s death. In Germany and Austria, the Templars became “Rosicrucians” and “Teutonic Knights.” The Teutonic Knights grew strong in Mainz, birthplace of Gutenberg’s press. Six centuries later, as the “Teutonic Order,” the Knights would provide the nucleus of Adolf Hitler’s political support in Munich and Vienna. The Edinburgh lodge would become the headquarters of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, which Masonic historians call “American Freemasonry” because all but five of the signers of the Declaration of Independence are said to have practiced its craft. In Spain and Portugal the Templars became the “llluminati”...

Rulers of Evil: Useful Knowledge about Governing Bodies: F. Tupper
http://www.amazon.com/Rulers-Evil-Useful-Knowledge-Governing/dp/0066210836
JEEP said:
Another angle tho probably way out in left field> I remember reading somewhat relatively recently, that the death of Jacques de Molay - esp being burned alive - was still a high priority to be avenged. I remember being surprised that this could be so considering it happened centuries ago! Do people really carry grudges that long?!! The details as to who/what/where/when re this have unfortunately gone down the memory hole - I just remember my shock that some mysterious group was still planning to get back at these perceived enemies.

Just another bizarre facet surrounding the insane goings on playing out in disgusting horror.

Well perhaps that's a possibility as the event looked pre-planned and organised and likely a fair while back too. Doing a bit of research about the Jesuits being not so much the nice guys they appear to be today, another thing to avenge might be this:

The suppression of the Jesuits in France began in the French island colony of Martinique, where the Society of Jesus had a major commercial stake. They did not and could not engage in trade, buying and selling to make a profit, any more than any other religious order could do, but their large mission plantations included large local populations that worked under the usual conditions of tropical colonial agriculture of the 18th century, not easily distinguishable from the hacienda system. As the Catholic Encyclopedia expressed it in 1908, "this was allowed, partly to provide for the current expenses of the mission, partly in order to protect the simple, childlike natives from the common plague of dishonest intermediaries."

Father Antoine La Vallette, Superior of the Martinique missions, managed these transactions with great success, and like secular proprietors of plantations he needed to borrow money to expand the large undeveloped resources of the colony. But on the outbreak of war with England, ships carrying goods of an estimated value of 2,000,000 livres were captured, and La Vallette suddenly went bankrupt for a very large sum. His creditors turned to the Order's Procurator at Paris to demand payment, but the Procurator refused responsibility for the debts of an independent mission— though he offered to negotiate for a settlement. The creditors went to the courts, and an order was made in 1760, obliging the Society to pay, and giving leave to distrain in the case of non-payment.

The Fathers, on the advice of their lawyers, appealed to the Parlement of Paris. This turned out to be an imprudent step. For not only did the Parlement support the lower court, May 8, 1761, but having once gotten the case into its hands, the Jesuits' enemies in that assembly determined to strike a blow at the Order.

The Jesuits had many opponents. The Jansenists were numerous among the enemies of the orthodox party. The Sorbonne joined the Gallicans, the Philosophes, and the Encyclopédistes. Louis XV was weak; his wife and children were in favor of the Jesuits; his able first minister, the Duc de Choiseul, played into the hands of the Parlement, and the royal mistress, Madame de Pompadour, to whom the Jesuits had refused absolution, for she was living in sin with the King of France, was a determined opponent. The determination of the Parlement of Paris in time bore down all opposition.

The attack on the Jesuits was opened by the Jansenist sympathizer, the Abbé Chauvelin, April 17, 1762, who denounced the Constitution of the Jesuits, which was publicly examined and exposed in a hostile press. The Parlement issued its Extraits des assertions assembled from passages from Jesuit theologians and canonists, in which they were alleged to teach every sort of immorality and error. On August 6, 1762, the final arrêt was proposed to the Parlement by the Advocate General, Joly de Fleury condemning the Society to extinction, but the king's intervention brought eight months' delay and meantime a compromise was suggested by the Court. If the French Jesuits would separate from the order, under a French vicar, with French customs, as with the Gallican Church, the Crown would still protect them. In spite of the dangers of refusal the Jesuits would not consent. On April 1, 1763 the colleges were closed, and by a further arrêt of March 9, 1764, the Jesuits were required to renounce their vows under pain of banishment. At the end of November 1764, the king signed an edict dissolving the Society throughout his dominions, for they were still protected by some provincial parlements, as in Franche-Comté, Alsace, and Artois. But in the draft of the edict, he canceled numerous clauses that implied that the Society was guilty, and writing to Choiseul, he concluded "If I adopt the advice of others for the peace of my realm, you must make the changes I propose, or I will do nothing. I say no more, lest I should say too much."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_the_Society_of_Jesus
 
What a nightmare! As if this student in Gaza doesn't have enough troubles, now his photo is used as one of the Paris attackers. Shades of 911 tactics.

[quote author= http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoice/you-got-wrong-guy-gaza-student-mistaken-paris-militant-770516]

A young man from the Gaza Strip has spoken of his shock after being falsely accused of being one of the IS militants involved in the Paris attacks on Friday, which killed over 130 people.

Sami Abu Rus, a journalism student at Al-Aqsa University, told Ma'an that he was shocked after seeing his image posted online by Islamic State media groups praising him as one of the "lions" who attacked Paris.

Abu Rus, who resides in al-Nuseirat refugee camp, said he has never left the Gaza Strip and only found out that his photo had been used after being told by friends.

He initially dismissed it as a joke, before his photo was also published by a site affiliated with IS.

The young man said his family was outraged that he was identified as one of the attackers and immediately denied the accusations and condemned the attacks, saying they had no relation to Islam.

"My family and I condemn terrorist attacks against civilians”, Abu Rus said.

One of the photos of Abu Rus appeared in the Egyptian al-Wattan newspaper and other Egyptian media, while IS-affiliated media published two of his photos.

He said he believes they were taken from his Facebook page, or another social media group.

The photos which appeared online did not say the name or nationality of the attackers, only that they had been identified as "lions of the Islamic State, perpetrators of the Paris attacks."

Several similar photos falsely accusing innocent people of committing the Paris massacre have also appeared online, including a picture of a Sikh man posted in Spanish media sit La Razon which shows him wearing a suicide explosives belt and holding a Quran.

The image had been photo-shopped from the original, which in fact showed the Canadian citizen taking a selfie with his iPad in front of the mirror. [/quote]
 
Figured this thread might be the best place for a portion of an interview with Trump, since you can see the attack in France reverberating and where it might lead in the US.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-has-big-plans-1303117537878070.html
Yahoo News asked Trump whether his push for increased surveillance of American Muslims could include warrantless searches. He suggested he would consider a series of drastic measures.

“We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”

Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.

“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”
 
Suspected Paris attack is no mastermind

Am I missing something here or is really wrong:

_http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/18/the-isis-poster-boy-for-paris-attack-is-no-mastermind.html

To call him a mastermind seems like saying a major or a lieutenant colonel was the mastermind of some battle plan,” a former senior U.S. intelligence official opined. “He seems more like the lead guy for the project, who more often than not is getting signoff from headquarters.
 
Re: Suspected Paris attack is no mastermind

There is already a thread on the Paris attack. You might want to post it there along with your thoughts. The link is: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40054.0.html
 
Re: Suspected Paris attack is no mastermind

Aeneas said:
There is already a thread on the Paris attack. You might want to post it there along with your thoughts. The link is: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40054.0.html

Thanks for the response.
 

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