Paris shootout, explosions, casualties

[angelburst29]

From this site: _http://www.public.fr/News/Attentat-dans-Paris-Public-fr-vous-informe-871027

"Death toll is now 60. As the terrorist motive is now apparently confirmed, a new shooting reportedly started in Châtelet les Halles. According to witnesses, the gunmen reportedly shouted "This is for Syria", before shooting. it's still impossible to confirm if this is a retaliation attack."

This is beyond horrific .... more terror, blood and suffering of innocents!

Speaking of Syria, wasn't the ViennaII talks scheduled in Paris for Saturday November 14th? The declared State of Emergency will probably cancel the talks? How convenient.

 

[Windmill knight]

A couple of UK tabloids are reporting that a Calais migrant camp has been 'set on fire', presumably in response to Paris terror attacks.

_http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/475611/Calais-migrant-camp-fire-Paris-terror-attacks

_http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619361/Calais-Jungle-migrant-camp-fire-Paris-terror-attacks

These are 'unconfirmed reports' although they do include pictures and tweets from other sources (like RT).

 

[Seaniebawn]

RT mentioned boots on the ground in Syria, so are we looking at a pretext for this? i.e. removal of Russian dominance of Syria.

Wouldn't be surprised, and if so who will they be fighting.

 

[onemen]

state of emergency, this sound very bad, and with the general mefiance i see in people here it could end badly... i would have to pay attention to how i look to people. wow and another shot fire on the poor muslim community. I hate this place, omg, all differents peoples and no sense of community, no friendliness, vulgarity and nihilism everywhere.

 

[Cassandra94]

Oh my god. I've been watching this on television now for a few hours and the death toll keeps going up. The President of France apparently said "We will lead the fight. It will be ruthless" it sounds now that they want to go to war.

https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/665336046326943745?s=01

Just crazy.

 

[bjorb]

RT mentioned boots on the ground in Syria, so are we looking at a pretext for this? i.e. removal of Russian dominance of Syria.

Who, and whom are they supposedly going to fight? Straight to Damascus?

They could invade Syria by this pretext; secure their proxy assets safely out of Syria while proclaiming victory over those regions naming themselves liberators and demanding Assad to go. They could just switch places calling it a war? That actually can work?

Just recently, a French aircraft carrier headed to Syria to supposedly fight ISIS. Something is going on.

 

[Lapin Blanc]

So, why has The Bataclan specifically been targeted?

Below is an explanation from the weekly french magazine Le Point: http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/le-bataclan-une-cible-regulierement-visee-14-11-2015-1981544_23.php:

"We had a planned attack against the Bataclan because owners are Jews." This sentence, chilling with regard to the taking of hostages and the carnage that would have made this Friday, "a hundred dead" according to police sources, was delivered to the offices of the DCRI, in February 2011. The French services while questioning Member of "Jaish al-Islam," the Army of Islam, suspected of the attack that killed a French student in Cairo in February 2009. They planified an attack in France and was therefore targeted the famous Parisian theater.

In 2007 and 2008, the Bataclan was already under the threat of more or less radical groups. At issue: holding regular conferences and galas of Jewish organizations, including the "Magav", a border guard unit depending on the policy of Israel. In December 2008, whereas the Israeli military operation takes place in the Gaza Strip, the threats around the Bataclan are more accurate. On the web, a video showing a group of a dozen young, face hidden by keffiyehs, threatening officials Bataclan about the organization's annual gala Magav. At the time, Le Parisien devotes an article without this handful of activists to be truly identified. In the process, the annual meeting will be postponed.

Since then, whenever a Jewish organization meets at Bataclan, many hostile comments flourish on the web. Yet in recent years, they seemed to have faded. Nevertheless, the Israeli press recalled that the rock band Eagles of Death that occurred Friday 13 evening, had toured Israel. The group was then faced more calls for a boycott, which had not prevented him from producing it.

 

[Ruth]

These things should NOT be happening! To anyone, anywhere! Not to people going out to eat on a Friday night in Paris, not to people catching the metro in London or Madrid, not to people in NYC, not in Mumbai, not in Syria, not in Gaza. Not to universities in the US. Not people getting on a plane to go or come back from their vacations. This is SO WRONG on so many levels. It's inexcusable, I am sick of it, the sheer shameless boldness of going around (or the psychos at the top, sending their robotic stooges around to do their job) killing all kinds of people randomly, just because a leader started to be more friendly with Russia, or because the nation is not following the official line. It is ridiculous, totally inhumane, utterly inexcusable.

I agree, it's time these people were exposed for what they are instead of being protected and mentored by those at the top.

 

[Shinzenbi]

I was in Paris a few hours ago in the 10th arrondissement in a restaurant, 2-3 blocks away from the shootout of rue de Bichat when it happened. I’ve left the city to go back home by car, driven by a friend. We have seen many policemen blocking streets, Samu trucks, firemen trucks, and the military at place de la bastille with soldiers wearing their helmets (which they usually do not wear when on regular patrolling missions, only their beret). We saw all of it at 12 pm approximately. The traffic was very smooth.

A person in the restaurant said that he has noticed that this morning at place des Vosges (a few hundred meters away from Bataclan), the soldiers who usually guard the synagogue since the january attack were guarding a school nearby instead. Was anything expected ?

 

[whitecoast]

These things should NOT be happening! To anyone, anywhere! Not to people going out to eat on a Friday night in Paris, not to people catching the metro in London or Madrid, not to people in NYC, not in Mumbai, not in Syria, not in Gaza. Not to universities in the US. Not people getting on a plane to go or come back from their vacations. This is SO WRONG on so many levels. It's inexcusable, I am sick of it, the sheer shameless boldness of going around (or the psychos at the top, sending their robotic stooges around to do their job) killing all kinds of people randomly, just because a leader started to be more friendly with Russia, or because the nation is not following the official line. It is ridiculous, totally inhumane, utterly inexcusable.

I agree, it's time these people were exposed for what they are instead of being protected and mentored by those at the top.

Yes, thank you for that succinct, impassioned protest of conscience. All I can feel is revulsion an disgust. France and Europe will be swept up in hysteria, and everything else just seems to follow painfully and inexorably. I can imagine every awake person in France walking down the street, watching headlines, seeing people, and just feeling invisible the entire time, like a transient passenger on a bad reality trip.

Much love and care for you all in Europe, French and refugee alike.

 

[Learner]

When I went to a book market this evening which is currently being hosted in a circus-like building, I thought: "What if a terror attack / false flag would happen in that place?" And then much later in the evening I first heard of it in the evening news, surprised. I was so shocked, that I was unable to think clearly for quite a while. It's very reminiscent to Charlie Hebdo and very tragic, that it happened in the same city while it is still wounded from the earlier attack. I agree with others, that those attacks shouldn't happen in any place. Why are people not left to live in peace by these psychos? They have a right to live in peace, and that right is so horribly abused on all levels (including all the wars).

Then I thought: well, do they want to make French people more susceptible to the kind of right wing propaganda, which is already going on in Germany (especially in alternative media and "sensationalist" media outlets) due to continuous efforts of right-wing movements like PEGIDA, which is in place since end of last year? Now they can ramp it up in France too. It's a question of time, until they will further the ISIS-Muslim-refugee connection - so it seems to me. Fear is a fertile ground that lets this kind of seed fall in to contaminate the mind. This is what worries me so much. And also, that it has happened only two weeks after the Russian plane has come down / been downed over Sinai. And then, there is Laura's recent Sott Focus article, which made me think, if a critical mass to tip the scales in another direction will be reached in time, before Cataclysm sets in. These events in Paris let me doubt this heavily...the scales seem to point towards madness currently. :(

PS: Just saw other replies: So the connection to Muslims has already been made. Not surprising ... I will go to bed now, can't take anything in any more, my mind is still confused of all that going on.

Please take care and stay safe there in France!

 

[Kisito]

So, why has The Bataclan specifically been targeted?

Below is an explanation from the weekly french magazine Le Point: http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/le-bataclan-une-cible-regulierement-visee-14-11-2015-1981544_23.php:

We had a planned attack against the Bataclan because owners are Jews." This sentence, chilling with regard to the taking of hostages and the carnage that would have made this Friday, "a hundred dead" according to police sources, was delivered to the offices of the DCRI, in February 2011. The French services while questioning Member of "Jaish al-Islam," the Army of Islam, suspected of the attack that killed a French student in Cairo in February 2009. They planified an attack in France and was therefore targeted the famous Parisian theater.

In 2007 and 2008, the Bataclan was already under the threat of more or less radical groups. At issue: holding regular conferences and galas of Jewish organizations, including the "Magav", a border guard unit depending on the policy of Israel. In December 2008, whereas the Israeli military operation takes place in the Gaza Strip, the threats around the Bataclan are more accurate. On the web, a video showing a group of a dozen young, face hidden by keffiyehs, threatening officials Bataclan about the organization's annual gala Magav. At the time, Le Parisien devotes an article without this handful of activists to be truly identified. In the process, the annual meeting will be postponed.

Since then, whenever a Jewish organization meets at Bataclan, many hostile comments flourish on the web. Yet in recent years, they seemed to have faded. Nevertheless, the Israeli press recalled that the rock band Eagles of Death that occurred Friday 13 evening, had toured Israel. The group was then faced more calls for a boycott, which had not prevented him from producing it.

Friday is Shabbat, Jews are home. It does not look like Aune attack against the Jews ...

 

[syldan]

It'll be interesting to see if there are any other events in other EU countries, and other countries closing borders.
If that happens, the hostage situation ends badly and they link them to refugees, I'm calling a Reichstag event which will likely lead to camps for refugees. For their/our 'protection'.

« Reply #45 on: Today at 12:39:04 AM » Redfox

This was my first thought precisely, also that this is the second act of the power play that began with Charlie-Hebdo in January of this year, for the french 'volet'. This is in my mind, only the beginning of something that will expand, And although i hope i am totally wrong, the month of November will be as trying on the outside, as it was for forum members in October on the inside. If that makes sense? So, if i were to make a guess, i would think that Germany will be next, and how much this resembles the late 70's early 80's with 'red brigades' 'bande à Bader' and 'action directe'. Only that today we know better! Or do we?!

i am horrified but not that shocked, as this seems like a logical second step to what has already been tried. And as the C's said, once one massacre is swept under the carpet, the next is exponentially worst, and so on! My heart goes out to people of all denominations that will have to deal with this type of thing in coming months. It seems intrinsically related to the 'migrant crisis' crisis, and the rest of the evil agenda being played upon us as a whole! Sad day for humanity, whereas in reality, the Pentagon murders this many people daily with their Drone program for humanity's sake (sarcasm). Peace be with you all!

 

[un chien anadolu]

Remember those so called "Friends of Syria" meetings to support psycho-jihadists against Assad in Syria ? The 2nd and 3rd meetings were held in Istanbul and Paris in 2012. Now in 2015 nearly 150 innocent people killed in Diyarbakir and Ankara bombings in Turkey (in July and October) and nearly the same number of innocent people in Paris.

Unfortunately as always it kills innocent people but not the real criminals. On the contrary it helps them. Erdogan was about to loose the elections and thus his power before the bombings, but afterwards he gained power using the fear which grew in the public and won the elections, because he could be usefull for US for another time . That's why i (and many other people here) think CIA-Mossad in coordination with Erdogan government are behind Turkey bombings.

Also early this year US officials kept saying that ISIS would be a threat for 30 years but then two months ago Putin/Russia decided to act and showed the world that this is not the fact and and if you're determined and sincere to eliminate ISIS you can do it in short time. The terror attack in Paris is a false flag to weaken Putin's move in Syria against ISIS and save their agenda.

 

[mkrnhr]

For the press, it's a tragedy only when it happens in a western capital.
The bigger the event, the bigger the impact on policies. France hasn't declared a nationwide emergency state since 1955 as far as I can see, and it was at war at that time.
Inside, these events will certainly accelerate xenophobia and polarization. On foreign policy, it is inconceivable that Hollande and Fabius will recognize that their financing and arming of terrorist groups in Syria was a mistake, they will (with NATO support) probably make things worse, maybe attacking Syria directly while pretending fighting the IS.

Added:

The state of emergency law in France: _http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jsessionid=B27E2CAE0EE2586225232434C3DDDF25.tpdila22v_3?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000695350&dateTexte=20151114

The Minister of the Interior, for the entire territory is established the state of emergency, and the prefect, in the department may order the temporary closure of theaters, pubs and places of meeting of any kind in areas determined by the decree provided for in Article 2.

Can also be prohibited, with general or special title, the nature of meetings to cause or maintain disorder.

The decree or law declaring extending the state of emergency may, by express provision:

1. Giving the administrative authorities referred to in Article 8 of the power to order house searches day and night;

2. Empower the same authorities to take all measures to ensure control of the press and publications of all kinds as well as radio broadcasts, film-matographiques projections and theatrical performances.

The provisions of paragraph 1 of this Article shall apply in the zones set by the decree provided for in Article 2 above.

The measures taken pursuant to this Act cease to have effect simultaneously ends the state of emergency.

However, after the lifting of the state of emergency the military courts continue to deal with crimes whose prosecution had been referred to them.