Part of Polish gov members including president probably dead in plane crash

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For those who are interested and for the record, a full English version of Polish comments to the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee's (MAK) draft report is published on the Internet. The document “Comments of the Republic of Poland as the State of Registry and the State of the Operator on the Final draft Report from the investigation into the accident involving the Tu-154M aircraft tail number 101, which took place on 10 April 2010, prepared by the Interstate Aviation Committee IAC” (172 pp.) is available to download at the address: http://www.freedom-speech-image.eu/files/Polish_Comments_IAC.pdf.

Sort of conclusion of the document:

3.2. Causes
The only goal of the examination of the causes and circumstances of aviation
accidents, according to procedures and directions included in Appendix 13, is to prevent such
events from happening in the future. In the examination conducted by IAC, results of which
are included in the Report, the Russian side referred in detail to shortcomings of the Polish
side in preparation for the flight on 10.04.2010, training of the crew of the Tu-154M aircraft,
tail number 101 and the way in which the flight was conducted.

Information included in the Report, documentation given to the Polish side and an
analysis conducted by the Polish side indicate that there were many shortcomings in the
preparation of the Smolensk “Severny” Airdrome which contributed to a lowering of the level
of safety of flights made by aircraft of both countries to that airdrome on 7 and 10 April 2010.
The Russian side did not refer to those shortcomings in any findings in the Report.
There were many statements in the Report that the Polish side cannot accept or that are
not supported with sufficient evidence.

It also appears that some areas of examination of the accident were intentionally
omitted by the Russian side or their analysis was conducted superficially. An analysis of
recordings in the Report, regardless of the amount of presented documents and explanations
given by the Accredited [Representative] and his advisors, indicates that many of the
documents presented by the Polish side were analysed superficially and imprecisely, and
explanations given by Polish specialists that could have been helpful in understanding
transcription within those documents were not taken into consideration. As a result of which a
lot of information in the Report is not compliant with the facts. The shortcomings mentioned
above negatively affect the credibility of the message included in the Report.

In regard to this, the Polish side finds, that the proposed causes and circumstances of
the accident of the Tu-154M aircraft do not include all influencing factors. It concerns in
particular:

- the giving of permission by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs for the flights of
the Tu-154M and Yak-40 aircraft to Smolensk “Severny” Airdrome without a
leaderman on board, which is against the Russian AIP regulations;
- failure to give the current aeronavigation data for the Smolensk “Severny” Airdrome
by the Russian side despite written requests from the Polish side;
- lack of data from the Russian side about actual and forecasted weather conditions at
the Smolensk “Severny” Airdrome before the departure of the Tu-154M aircraft;
- failure to warn Poland about weather conditions occurring at 05.09 UTC below the
Smolensk “Severny” Airdrome minima (before the departure of the Tu-154M aircraft
from Okecie);
- lack of a decision to divert the aircraft to an alternate airdrome or other airdrome with
proper weather conditions despite having the information about weather conditions
preventing any aviation operations at the Smolensk “Severny” Airdrome;
- the failure to provide information about vertical visibility by the Smolensk “Severny”
Airdrome controller to the crews of the planes;
- the lack of reaction from the Landing Zone Controller during the approach to land of
the Tu-154M aircraft in regard to its deflection from the scheduled glide path;
- ATC group’s instruction to abort the descent which was given too late;
- the lack of evaluation of the preparation of the Russian side to arrange a VIP flight,
particularly as such evaluation was presented in regard to the Polish side;

According to the Polish side, some statements in chapter 3.2 Causes are not confirmed
by the facts, are not sufficiently explained in the analysis or the analysis is conducted in an
improper way. These reservations concern among others the statements below:

- There were serious shortcomings in the arranging of the VIP flight concerning the crew
training, composition, monitoring of its preparation and selection of alternate airdromes;
- The departure was conducted without available actual and forecast weather and the actual
aeronautical information for the destination airdrome. According to available information the
Polish side refused the leaderman (navigator) services;
- On contacting the ATC group of Smolensk “Severny” airdrome the crew did not report the
selected approach system to them which deviated from the Russian AIP requirements. Further
the crew continued approach using the on-board equipment without utilizing ground navigation
aids;
- The PIC had a break of over 5 months in approaches in complicated meteorological conditions
(corresponding to his weather minima 60x800) on Tu-154M. The PIC had not has enough
training on approaches in manual steering mode using non precision type of approaches.
- The approach was made using the autopilot in pitch and roll channels as well as the
autothrottle. This type of approach is not provided by the Tu-154M FCOM and the weather
minima and SOP for this type of approach are not described there;
- The crew did not terminate the descent at the established minimum descent altitude of 100m, but
continued descent with a vertical speed two times higher than the estimated without establishing
visual contact with the ground references;
- Despite numerous TAWS (TERRAIN AHEAD and PULL UP) alerts, the triggering of the radio
altimerer decision height alert at 60mand the ATC instruction, the crew continued descent
which can be an evidence of their attempt to establish visual flight before passing the middle
marker in order to conduct a visual landing;
- The operation of the ground based navigation and lighting equipment did not affect the
accident;
- The presence of high-ranked persons in the cockpit including the Commander-in-Chief of the
Polish Air Forces and the Protocol Director, and the negative reaction of the Main Passenger
expected by the PIC exposed psychological pressure on the crew members and influenced the
decision to continue approach in the conditions of unjustified risk.

Due to the aforementioned reasons the Polish side requests reformulation of the causes
and circumstances of the accident involving the Tu-154M aircraft as well as the preventive
measures, after taking into consideration all the factors influencing the accident, including
those described in this document.
 

osher

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Hello everybody, it's been a long time since i wrote on this forum. I ashamed of some of my previous posts, but everybody does stupid things sometimes.

I want to share a thought on the subject of the Smolensk crash and death of Lech Kaczynski, president of Poland.

Last year and probably year before, i'm not sure, there were training camps for polish ultra right wingers / fascists, like summer survival camps. Maybe there were those every year, but something was happening around there as it became a news, an info shared in some media. I didn't acknowledge that at the time, my friend told me.
Now as the events in Ukraine are unfolding and we know, that polish mercenaries are there killing people hand in hand with Bandera's guys (ukrainian fascists who killed 40000 Poles during WWII) i think that might be the explanation, the motive for possible kiling of Lech Kaczynski by - who else - Mossad. (As we know, Mossad is most probably involved in Ukraine and from 9/11 we can deduct that Mossad is more cunning than CIA.)
Why? Simply because Lech Kaczynski would never let this happen, if he might stop anything. It would be extremely difficult for polish fascists to secretely fly to Ukraine and for Ukrainian fascists (or some police guys it were) to come to Poland and get a training in controlling (escalating) riots if he was a president. I don't know, maybe i believe in a false image of a guy, who politically was completely opposite to myself, but i voted for him anyway, as some of my firends - calling themselves communists - also did. Maybe he would see nothing, stop nothing and go to Maidan with EU, i can imagine that also. But i'm sure with our current president and prime minister everything went so much easier for USA/EU/whoelse than it would with Lech Kaczynski.

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osher said:
Last year and probably year before, i'm not sure, there were training camps for polish ultra right wingers / fascists, like summer survival camps. Maybe there were those every year, but something was happening around there as it became a news, an info shared in some media. I didn't acknowledge that at the time, my friend told me.
Now as the events in Ukraine are unfolding and we know, that polish mercenaries are there killing people hand in hand with Bandera's guys (ukrainian fascists who killed 40000 Poles during WWII) i think that might be the explanation, the motive for possible kiling of Lech Kaczynski by - who else - Mossad. (As we know, Mossad is most probably involved in Ukraine and from 9/11 we can deduct that Mossad is more cunning than CIA.)
Why? Simply because Lech Kaczynski would never let this happen, if he might stop anything. It would be extremely difficult for polish fascists to secretely fly to Ukraine and for Ukrainian fascists (or some police guys it were) to come to Poland and get a training in controlling (escalating) riots if he was a president. I don't know, maybe i believe in a false image of a guy, who politically was completely opposite to myself, but i voted for him anyway, as some of my firends - calling themselves communists - also did. Maybe he would see nothing, stop nothing and go to Maidan with EU, i can imagine that also. But i'm sure with our current president and prime minister everything went so much easier for USA/EU/whoelse than it would with Lech Kaczynski.
Lech Kaczynski had been showing himself in the media as the anti-Russian and urged in the direction Poland as a puppet of the USA, and a lot can be find about it on the internet, if you look for it.

IMO, a plane crash was caused by the series of smaller failures (not a coup) which submit to the pile and created a real danger.

When it comes to the relationship with other countries and place of Poland in the international arena. To orders coming from Washington, Kaczynski and Tusk were/are subordinate the same. The two biggest parties/brands that govern Poland lead to the same head and can only argue in less important internal matters, as what I see.

You will be probably disappoint by Kaczynski's attitude which would prove to be even more radical than its counterparts, in the present.
 

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osher said:
Now as the events in Ukraine are unfolding and we know, that polish mercenaries are there killing people hand in hand with Bandera's guys (ukrainian fascists who killed 40000 Poles during WWII) i think that might be the explanation, the motive for possible kiling of Lech Kaczynski by - who else - Mossad. ...

Why? Simply because Lech Kaczynski would never let this happen, if he might stop anything.
Kaczynski was well known for having been on very good terms with Israel.

_http://www.bnaibrith.org/5/post/2010/04/bnai-brith-international-offers-deepest-sympathy-to-the-people-of-poland.html
B’nai B’rith International mourns the tragic loss of Polish President Lech Kaczynski ...

Kaczynski was a reliable friend of the Jewish community and a supporter of Holocaust education and commemoration. As mayor of Warsaw, he was instrumental in laying the ground work for the Museum of the History of Polish Jews, which is scheduled to open in 2012. During his presidency, he visited Israel for the Jewish state’s 60th anniversary celebration and, earlier this year, spoke at a ceremony at Auschwitz marking the 65th anniversary of the Nazi concentration camp’s liberation.

A staunch foe of communism, Kaczynski became a firm believer in the trans-Atlantic partnership. His presidency saw a democratic Poland emerge as a key member-state in both NATO and the European Union. President Kaczynski also proved himself to be a close and trusted ally of both the United States and Israel.

B’nai B’rith, whose presence in Poland dates back to the 1880s, was forced to close its lodges there in 1938. At a 2007 ceremony in Warsaw, Kaczynski sent a message welcoming the reestablishment of a B’nai B’rith lodge in Poland and underscoring a commitment to the continuous development of the Polish-Jewish relationship.
_http://www.pjhftoronto.ca/smolensk.htm
It is not only a significant loss to Poland and the Polish community worldwide but also to the Jewish Diaspora. President Lech Kaczynski was devoted to the same causes that motivate the activity of our Foundation. He was the first post-war head of Poland to celebrate the start of Hanukah in a Polish synagogue together with Warsaw's Jewish Community leaders and the first to light candles in the presidential palace on this import_ant holiday that was once celebrated by one in every ten Polish citizens. He changed the status of the Polish Righteous Gentiles to one that gives them equal recognition and privileges with the WWII armed fighters and insurgents. He twice nominated the remarkable Polish heroine Irena Sendler for the Nobel Peace Prize, a woman who saved 2500 Jewish children from the Warsaw Ghetto. He continued the political course that has now made Poland the closest ally of the Jewish state in Europe and its fervent supporter in the United Nations. As the mayor of Warsaw, he was deeply devoted to the project to establish and build the grand Museum of the History of Polish Jews in Warsaw slated to open in two years.

The First Lady of Poland Maria Kaczynska visited Toronto last year and made a meeting with the leadership of the Jewish Diaspora of Canada one of her priorities.
Also, Kaczynski protected his predecessor Aleksander Kwasniewski from his constitutional responsibility for secret CIA prisons in Poland. He dismissed prosecutor demands to relieve Kwasniewski from obligation to guard state secrets.

He would have followed orders coming from US/Israel/NATO and done whatever possible, especially if it was against Russia. I have no doubt about it.
 

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Plane crash with Polish officials 10th of April 2010

In light of recent crash of Maleysian aircraft I have seen that subject of Polish plane crash of 10th of April 2010 in Smolensk takes a different turn. Shortly after crash in 2010 and following years this subject brought a lot of controversies among people, jurnalists, politicians. One part claimed that this must have been done by hands of Russians. Other claimed that crash was to be blamed on incompetent crew and even better on president Kaczynski.
There was official report published from Russian commission which described background and possible causes of the crash.
One of the biggest controversies highlighted by of journalists was that:
1. Polish governement had not took part active role in investigation letting the Russian side took over whole case.
2. Direct causes of the crash were controversy in itself: we had high birch tree which was identified as the last trigger for crash, we had claims that instruments on board could have shown wrong altitude which could have been manipulated by sending electronic signal from device from the ground or space; fog covering the airport which some of the journalist claim that it was strange in itself that area surounding the place was clear and sunny.

Fact is that Kaczynski was political enemy of then majority party in parliment. Letting alone who he was and what he did obviously he and his party ran by his twin brother were polarising society. Maybe not him, not the party, but media were obviously siding with his opponents which is safe to say so as only minor media were supporting his policy. Majority party back then and continuing until now Civic Platform has some interesing roots and obviously although that seemed a bit different during 2010 crash is siding with people liek George Soros, organisations like IMF and World Bank, plus big fans of NATO (which unfortunatelly is common among most of Polish politicians right and left).

I think that a lot of people back then were either likely to blame Russians for that crash or where happy that finally hated person left the human plane.

So - in light of what actually we know from Perkins (Economic Hitman), about involvment of USA services in assasinations all around the world I am actually thinking that there might have been something hidden from the view of TV watchers. It was really convenient ground to crash the plane for anyone who wanted to get away from being blamed for it. It all suited the situation: Kaczynski was flying to say few words in Katyn (place of mass murder of Polish officers during WWII by Russian KGB), he was notorious for his actions trying to bypass supply of oil from Russia by enhancing relations with Georgia (even during war with Russia), so it looked that he is causing Russians problems and kind of was giving plausible cause of Russia assault on plane stuffed with officials creating uneasy relation with that country.

Other things were also going on in Polish political / economic ground that time - one thing which I am thinking about was shale gas which that time was still being ridiculed by media as an option for energy supply but unofficialy there were information that some companies are trying to get their licensies for searching and check drillings. I also know from my area about some strange investments which were strange because it was intended for shale gas but officialy in media it was kind of news which was suitable for science fiction programs.

And today I am reading article in one of the important journals refreshing the story of Smolensk 2010 which is kind of strange because this was not any time before used this way. The title of article is "Will we ever get to know the truth about Smolensk accident and tragedy of MH17" link here in Polish _http://www.rp.pl/artykul/536159,1127416-Czy-poznamy-prawde-o-katastrofie-smolenskiej-i-tragedii-MH17.html

Well, now this crash is used as an amplifier of the signal to the Polish public that this is certainly linked to the Russian side.

My question is who was the crash accident? And if no, then who was behind that crash?
 

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Four years after the disaster polish people still wondering what happend in Smolensk and ,,qui bono”.
Many people in the world have forgotten about this crime, but still in Poland many bloggers, independent journalist, phisycs, pilots and ordinary people trying to understand what happend on
April 10 2010.
Miroslaw Dakowski professor of Physics says that Smolensk Airport is only stagging, and real accident took place elsewhere.
I was just thinking about disaster Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, or suicide bombers have left signature on a plain in Smolensk?
I could be wrong, but if the same international forces decapitated all 96 most important people in Country, and all the blame was thrown on Putin.
Cassiopeans said that Putin is not psychopath and I can not understand how could he kill 96 people.
World Congres of the Jews, Anti Defamation League, the Amercan Jewish Congress and other invented myself that Poland must pay the amount of 65 billion dollars to these organizations as compensation for the property of Jews who perished in the Holocaust

Here are we have blog one polish smart guy http://innywariant.weebly.com/blog/katastrofa-w-smolesku-trop-izraelski

,,...Ellie Wiesel broadcasts around the world:" In the land contaminated and cursed live Poles. And those who live on land contaminated and cursed themselves are tainted and cursed. (...) It is not a mere coincidence that the largest extermination camps created by them, in Poland, and not elsewhere. ""More than 3 million Jews died in Poland and the Poles will not heirs of Polish Jews. Never it will not be allowed. (...) If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims, it will be publicly humiliated and attacked the international forum "- that Israel Singer of 19 April 1996 at the World Congress of the Jews."

Perhaps these organizations would like to wrench some money from Polish, but when, Whose hands, or just Lech Kaczynski them in this disturbed?

,,...My suspicions about the possibility of penetration of the Polish secret services of Israel increased by the fact that the portal polskieradio.pl reported on 23.06.2012 that it has received honorary citizenship of the Polish secret former head of Israel's central intelligence - Mossad, Meir Dagan..”

This is not the end of the thread on the knowledge of some people that the "law" will be implemented.

Now, with the release of 23 December 2008 "Official Poland Europe World" published an interview with the president of the Holocaust Restituta Ewron Yehuda, who in this way presented his knowledge of proceeded the "Law restitution"

"Not everything is already decided," law "can veto the president. Heard that he recently vetoes a number of key laws, we are considering sending a call on behalf of the Polish Jews who had survived the Holocaust"

Ladies and gentlemen, how did he know Jew from New York Jehuda Evron in December 2008 that the fate of Restitution Act, whose content did not know yet...”


I would like to remind you that material losses Warsaw after World War II in 2004 is estimated about 700 billion $ the amount of current.
Material losses all Poland after WW II are not able to estimated but we could see that could be a trillions of $. Germany never paid any compensation for Poland for WW II losses, and those insolent, greedy psychopats wants many from Poland.
As noted by Norman Finkelstein German state paid ADL several billion dollars and are ok and now Jews on all world say: polish concentration camp, antisemitism in Poland. They forgot that only in Poland during WW II for helping a Jew was punishable by death helper and his family.
Maybe this is the true reason of disaster in Smolensk.
 

Kasia

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As for the reasons of the crash there were probably many including poor organization on the both sides, I mean Polish and Russian, maybe wrong decisions taken by the pilots, energetic/karmic threads or cosmic intervention (weather breakdown just before landing) – who knows.

As for the issue “qui bono?” – I have the feeling that many parties. To get better insight one should analyse the way the investigation has been conducted. It’s obvious that many parties could have not been interested in revealing facts inconvenient for them. Maybe some coordinated decisions have been taken (I mean by Polish authorities, the USA, maybe Israel or even Russia to some extent) in order to blur the case.

For the entangled parties it can be good just to base on some half-truths and assumptions and use them when they are needed for political reasons.
 

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Along with reading through this thread, there are several articles about this crash on SOTT.net. Just put Smolensk in the search function.

Here is one for starters:

http://www.sott.net/article/208992-Smolensk-Crash-A-Wake-Up-Call-For-Us-All
 
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