Pentagon first responder

Joe said:
realitybasher said:
So you think that the 3rd Infantry BATTALION has only one unit? and your photo is NEW. im showing you one from the site. you are retarded
your picture is clearly taken at a time when the pentagon debris had been extensively cleared, i.e. several days after the attack. You say you were there on the day, just after it happened, and that you have a picture to prove it. So why don't you go ahead and post it

Joe
True - fact of the matter is that the Pentagon flag was originally unfurled from the roof of the Pentagon on Sept. 12, 2001, when President George W. Bush arrived to view the damage from the Sept. 11 attacks. _http://americanhistory.si.edu/events/event.cfm?archive=true&key=26&eventkey=940&date=2006-09-07 That would be the 12th - the day after the attacks before the flag pictured in the photo was even hung off the side of the building. Odd, that, considering you and your supposed buddies were search and rescue - in other words the picture you posted could have been taken any day OTHER than the day of the attacks.
 
realitybasher said:
I saw with my own eyes inside the pentagon intact sections of plane. People still frozen stiff in their seats.
You saw people frozen stiff in their seats? Intact sections of plane? All photographic evidence right after the impact shows that there were no intact sections of the plane, its fuselage, or the passangers visible anywhere. According to the official account, no bodies of passengers have ever been found. So how did you see the bodies if nobody ever found them? Where did you find those intact sections that nobody else saw?

realitybasher said:
We removed and labeled not only every body but every part of plane.
But no bodies have ever been found. Are you saying they are hiding evidence that supports their own story that they are trying so hard to make everyone believe? Right.

realitybasher said:
If you are stupid enough to think the government would have to pull a plane switch in order to pull off 911 you are retarded.
Who said they "had to"? They did not "have to" use more than 1 plane for 911 either. But they did. Heck, they did not have to do 911 attacks at all!

realitybasher said:
The case for government complicity is strong enough without stawman arguments. lets focus on WTC 7, NORAD stand down, and prior knowledge.
A strawman is an argument that you build up, attract people's attention to it, and then *knock it down*. Problem is, it's 2007, and the government still has not "knocked down the strawman" - why? Not for a lack of trying that's for sure. Because it's not a strawman, they have no evidence to just "knock it down" - they tried with that new video they released a few months ago, which only confirmed what the evidence already showed - no plane. I don't think you understand the purpose of a strawman argument.

The ATS article you link to has been fully shown to be nothing but a manipulative word salad with no real analysis of anything here: http://cassiopaea.netfirms.com/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm

realitybasher said:
When trying to decide what model to view reality through...... investigate
We are - you should heed your own advice. Unless your idea of "investigation" is telling someone your story and expecting them to believe it just because you say so? Your picture does not show any evidence of a plane. First you see intact sections with passangers, then you assert that the debris were scattered everywhere with only small vague pieces of metal visible here and there, contradicting yourself here. Then you post an irrelevant picture and say "pwn3d" - something only 10 year olds in online video games say, which means "owned", equivalent to "in your face!". Grow up.
 
I offer the photo as proof that i was there. You want pictures from inside the pentagon. How foolish does one have to be to think the MOST SECURE BUILDING IN THE WORLD would allow pictures. We had our gear inspected before the mission and after. As far as "cointelpro" or whatever you call it i have no clue what you are talking about and i thought i had heard every theory ever. Also i never called anyone anything. People would have to take on the label. It seems to me that no matter the evidence none of you is going to believe anything. Which is so funny. HOURS OF ENTERTAINMENT. Whats the worst is you are all focusing on the wrong portion of the conspiracy. As i have pointed out many times. You want photos of airplane? IF you look they are everywhere.
_http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Pentdebris.jpg
Sorry to have to tell you about the lie you have been promoting. MOVE ON.
As far as the intentions of the sites listed, explain why they promote the more "ironclad" evidence of conspiracy?
The use of the scientific method if applied to this "argument" would require you to show proof of anything other than a plane hitting the pentagon. There are 0 eyewitness reports of eyes on a missile or anything other than a silver airplane. you asked for "proof" I proved i was there on site who have you ever spoken to that had pictures of them ON SITE? As far as "debunking" testimony" this seems like us cutting away reality so it fits into our idea of what reality should be. regardless of what is real.

“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.”

Robert Anton Wilson quote

“Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.”

Robert Anton Wilson quote
 
Lastly.
If you really researched we found 77 bodies of passengers in the pentagon. I was in the unit that did the full honors funeral detail for the fallen. My company (Bravo) is even mentioned in the below article as having gone inside as soon as the fires went out.
PWN3D

ld Guard Soldiers Perform Grim Pentagon Mission
By Staff Sgt. Michele Hammonds, USA
Special to American Forces Press Service

THE PENTAGON, Sept. 19, 2001 – Under normal circumstances, the 3rd U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard) is known best as a ceremonial unit. Its soldiers guard the Tomb of the Unknowns at nearby Arlington National Cemetery. They take part in parades and commemorations. But ceremonial uniforms were put away in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the Pentagon that claimed 188 lives and injured hundreds more.

In the days after the attack, Old Guard soldiers could be seen marching in single files over terrain strewn with debris toward the site where a hijacked passenger plane smashed into one of the building's five sides. The soldiers wore face shields, protective breathing masks and white biological protection garments over their battle dress uniforms. Dust and soot covered their yellow protective boots. And they faced the grim task of sifting through the rubble to recover the remains of victims.

Soldiers from the Old Guard went on alert with the first attack, but were not sent to the Pentagon immediately, Staff Sgt. Mark Erwin said. As firefighters battled the blaze caused by the impact of a fully fueled American Airlines Boeing 757, another Military District of Washington unit was assembling, the MDW Engineer Company.

Old Guard's Company B deployed along with the engineers at 11:30 a.m., less than two hours after impact. As firemen fought the blaze, a section of the building collapsed. The task of the MDW soldiers was to take part in search and rescue operations, finding survivors and bringing them to safety.

Four days into the response, when it became evident that all possible survivors had been removed from the building, Old Guard soldiers turned their attention to assisting in recovery efforts, locating and marking spots for evidence collection specialists and mortuary affairs personnel to come and do their work. Soldiers from the unit's eight companies have rotated in shifts, arriving and departing at the Pentagon in camouflaged military trucks.

For Pfc. Daniel Cooper, 21, whose normal job it is to be part of high-visibility ceremonies as a member of the Presidential Marching Platoon, aiding in the Pentagon recovery operations came as a shock.

"It doesn't seem real. This is the Pentagon and this isn't supposed to happen," he said. "Everything is torn down and in shambles."

Another member of the platoon, 20-year-old Spc. Joshua Lee Behrens, was also taken aback by the results of the terrorist attack.

"It's a mess inside. It's like hell on earth. You can't see anything. It's dark and dusty, there's asbestos, and it smells real bad," Behrens said. "Everything's drenched in water, everything is charred."

Among other Old Guard tasks is Pentagon tour guide duty, and some of Behrens' fellow Old Guard soldiers were inside the Pentagon when the attack occurred. Behrens had some tense moments until he found out they were safe.

"Everybody was nervous. There wasn't a soul among us who wasn't praying for our buddies from our platoon who were tour-guiding in the Pentagon," Behrens said. "We weren't sure about their status. We were constantly thinking about them. Luckily, they made it out fine."

Like many other Old Guard soldiers, Sgt. Maj. Aubrey Butts knew someone who was in the Pentagon when the tragic incident occurred. That someone was his wife, Lucy, an Army civilian employee who works as a management assistant in the Army Operations Center. She made it out safely.

"I had to just have faith in God until I found out she was safe," Butts said. "In the meantime, I had a lot of soldiers I had to take care of, and I just prayed and hoped that she was all right. Now I'm angry. Someone tried to kill a member of my family."

Pfc. Travis Borrego, 21, of the Old Guard's Honor Guard company, also said he was angry. His anger was mixed with shock that something like this could happen so close to home.

"You see stuff like this on TV, and you never think that it will happen in America. This is too close to where we live and work," Borrego said. "This is terrible. All these American people dying needlessly."

Though the task that confronts the Old Guard soldiers is a terrible one, Borrego said he is part of the recovery effort.

"I'm glad that we can do anything to help. It's our people in there," he said. "Anything we can do to help, I'm more than glad to do it."

(Staff Sgt. Michele Hammonds is assigned to the 214th Mobile Public Affairs Detachment, Fort Belvoir, Va. Sgt. Nate Orme and Staff Sgt. John Valceanu, also of the 214th MPAD, contributed to this article.)
 
rb said:
As far as "cointelpro" or whatever you call it i have no clue what you are talking about and i thought i had heard every theory ever.
You have not heard about many things, yet you foolishly assume you've heard it all. Do research on COINTELPRO. Read Laura's blog and hopefully you'll understand why ATS is cointelpro.

rb said:
unless they are retarded enough to think anything other than a plane hit the pentagon
rb said:
you are retarded
rb said:
Also i never called anyone anything.
Do you have memory problems? Or simply reality problems?

rb said:
I dont know what "eyewitness" accounts you are talking about. Everyone who i knew in the area saw the same reality i did.
rb said:
There are 0 eyewitness reports of eyes on a missile or anything other than a silver airplane.
Again, you did not do your research. See this flash here for other eyewitness accounts. Lots of people saw a missile.
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

Don't know how you missed it. Your severe ignorance of the easily available evidence is why you are convinced of your imaginary reality about what transpired. I cannot imagine how you managed to miss that flash animation, about half of all people on the entire internet, if not more, have seen it.

rb said:
It seems to me that no matter the evidence none of you is going to believe anything.
What evidence? Your testimony is not evidence. You've shown 0 evidence.

rb said:
You want photos of airplane? IF you look they are everywhere.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Pentdebris.jpg
No, that's most likely a section of the winged missile that was painted to look like the American Airlines.

rb said:
The use of the scientific method if applied to this "argument" would require you to show proof of anything other than a plane hitting the pentagon.
There is - the size of the hole in the Pentagon proves that something other than a plane hit it, among many other things.

rb said:
“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.”
Ok, let's contrast that with what you just said above:
rb said:
It seems to me that no matter the evidence none of you is going to believe anything.
You are upset because we don't BELIEVE anything?
rb said:
Promise?
rb said:
If you really researched we found 77 bodies of passengers in the pentagon.
The government said that the DNA was identified. Where did you read that bodies were found? Please provide the link. If the plane was "disintegrated", how'd bodies survive? What about DNA?

rb said:
And they faced the grim task of sifting through the rubble to recover the remains of victims.
Facing the task of recovering the remains of victims, and actually recovering remains of victims are 2 different things. Recovering the remains may have very well been a task they faced, but did they actually recover any?

This article provides no evidence, no data, just unsupported statements. Yes, the article says Flight 77 hit the Pentagon - so do a billion other mainstream news articles. So what? I can say the moon is made of cheese. Their statement is just that - a statement, and it also happens to be a lie. How do we know? Because evidence, something you have not provided one shred of to support your statements, says otherwise.

We're not going to believe you on your word. You can ridicule anything you want, and call people names, and tell everyone how "obvious" or "retarded" this or that is. But until you provide evidence, all of that is nothing but noise. The question is, why are you so determined to make us believe you? The attack on the Pentagon has the most damning evidence of any other part of 911 - it is the Achille's heel of the entire event. But your inability to see that is not so surprising given that you're unaware of so many commonplace pieces of data about the event like the eyewitness testimony. Also, having no idea about COINTELPRO and how it works puts you at a rather big disadvantage in terms of navigating the sea of disinformation about this event. Finally, having the attention span of a sugar-high fruit fly does not help matters either. You cannot recall your own statements in this very thread, or knowingly contradict them, trying to create your own reality. If you cannot stay consistent and aware of what you just said, how can you be expected to have any coherent understanding of anything as complex and involved as what happened on 911? Knowledge protects.
 
realitybasher said:
Sorry to have to tell you about the lie you have been promoting. MOVE ON.
Perhaps you meant to say, "I WILL BE MOVING ON NOW."

After all, as all of our readers can clearly see, this is most definitely not your forum.
 
I have nothing left to prove. The truth is there for you. Accept it or dont. Im not the one who looks like a tin foil hat idiot. If anyone is a subversive government agent it is shills like you and alex jones. Promoting ideas that no sane person would give a second look to. Come on. Im done with you kids now. You had the chance to gain information from a person who was obviously there and you chose to blah blah blah. Offering no evidence of your own. You should have read the interview
"Another member of the platoon, 20-year-old Spc. Joshua Lee Behrens, was also taken aback by the results of the terrorist attack.

"It's a mess inside. It's like hell on earth. You can't see anything. It's dark and dusty, there's asbestos, and it smells real bad," Behrens said. "Everything's drenched in water, everything is charred."

Among other Old Guard tasks is Pentagon tour guide duty, and some of Behrens' fellow Old Guard soldiers were inside the Pentagon when the attack occurred. Behrens had some tense moments until he found out they were safe.

"Everybody was nervous. There wasn't a soul among us who wasn't praying for our buddies from our platoon who were tour-guiding in the Pentagon," Behrens said. "We weren't sure about their status. We were constantly thinking about them. Luckily, they made it out fine."

Im sure he would also answer any questions you have he can be fund on myspace im sure. He was in MY platoon in MY company. The people you are choosing to believe you have never engaged with. They are third fourth and fifth parties. You must all be christian.this type of blindness can only come from such a poison to logic as religion. Pathetic
 
realitybasher said:
Another member of the platoon, 20-year-old Spc. Joshua Lee Behrens, was also taken aback by the results of the terrorist attack.

"It's a mess inside. It's like hell on earth. You can't see anything. It's dark and dusty, there's asbestos, and it smells real bad," Behrens said. "Everything's drenched in water, everything is charred."
You can't see anything!? Everything is charred!? What about "...people still frozen stiff in their seats..."???
 
What about those other eyewitnesses that saw a missile? They were not 3rd or 4th or 5th party - they were there just like you. You're saying you're more important than they are just because you're you?
 
realitybasher said:
Promoting ideas that no sane person would give a second look to. Come on. Im done with you kids now.
Well, you have come back again and again to post more about our "ideas" as you call them. That counts as way more than "a second look". Thus, your statement that no sane person would give a second look to our ideas means that you believe that you yourself are insane.
 
Yeah because at the moment he was interviewed he didnt mention the exact thing i did, its all false? This is too funny. What the thinker thinks the prover proves. Again im sorry you believed a lie. But ill keep coming back to check on your progress. No people can stay too stupid for too long. Evolution demands it.
 
realitybasher said:
Yeah because at the moment he was interviewed he didnt mention the exact thing i did, its all false? This is too funny. What the thinker thinks the prover proves.
You still have not explained why some eyewitnesses reported seeing a missile, and why their testimony is irrelevant, and only yours is? If you think they are lying, why can't the same be said about your testimony?
 
people reported HEARING a missile NOT 1 person i have ever seen or heard of said they SAW one.
 
realitybasher said:
people reported HEARING a missile NOT 1 person i have ever seen or heard of said they SAW one.
Not true, look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgyq2H7PpO0

It starts out with the pentagon flash animation, but cuts off into an eyewitness who saw something other than a plane. How do you explain that?
 
One guy saw an aircraft flying fast like a military aircraft..... This proves it was not a plane? Come on.
 
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