People at work

[Mrs. Peel]

Just a note that falling hair out in patches, or alopecia (medical term) is more often than not associated with stress, at least in the cases i am aware of, few female friends of mine.

Yes, indeed. I think I read that same article when I was searching for info to send my male coworker. I'd already given my supervisor an EE flyer, as she's always stressed to the max, so I was suggesting the diet and naturopath approach in addition to stress management.

My supervisor agreed with everything I was saying. But every morning she goes to the soda machine and gets a Diet Coke. I joked with her today that she needs to quit the aspertame, she agreed but said she needed the caffeine, so I suggested she switch to tea instead.

What I find is that while people will listen and enthuastically agree that you are making sense, they still go right on with their bad food choices.

 

[herondancer]

What I find is that while people will listen and enthuastically agree that you are making sense, they still go right on with their bad food choices.

This is so true, even when there is evidence right in front of their eyes. A few months after starting the diet (and I really stuck to it, right from the beginning), my skin had cleared up, I'd lost the last 20 lbs to get back to "college weight", I had no more aches or pains and didn't take a single sick day when everyone was dropping like flies during flu season. Co-workers were giving me their skinny clothes. (Didn't have to fall shop that year, whoohoo!)

"You look great. What have you been doing?" So I outline the basic supplements, plus no gluten, dairy, soy, sugar, alcohol. And even those who could see the logic of cutting these things out of the diet, bailed when it came to beer or wine. Even the one who had a daughter on the same diet due to fibromyalgia, who was doing great on it. Everyone who talked to me had health problems that could get serious soon (we're all middle-aged), and every one of them had a dietary sacred cow. It was bizarre to observe.

Still the seeds were planted. Who knows?

 

[Seamus]

What I find is that while people will listen and enthuastically agree that you are making sense, they still go right on with their bad food choices.

This is so true, even when there is evidence right in front of their eyes. A few months after starting the diet (and I really stuck to it, right from the beginning), my skin had cleared up, I'd lost the last 20 lbs to get back to "college weight", I had no more aches or pains and didn't take a single sick day when everyone was dropping like flies during flu season. Co-workers were giving me their skinny clothes. (Didn't have to fall shop that year, whoohoo!)

"You look great. What have you been doing?" So I outline the basic supplements, plus no gluten, dairy, soy, sugar, alcohol. And even those who could see the logic of cutting these things out of the diet, bailed when it came to beer or wine. Even the one who had a daughter on the same diet due to fibromyalgia, who was doing great on it. Everyone who talked to me had health problems that could get serious soon (we're all middle-aged), and every one of them had a dietary sacred cow. It was bizarre to observe.

Still the seeds were planted. Who knows?

I've noticed the same thing. Most people bail when it comes to beer or wine. Or coffee with milk and sugar. Or cookies. Or bread (there are lots of artisan bakeries in my area). But given the chance, and the right kind of evidence, many people seem to eventually come around. Plus, not everyone is ready to go cold turkey right away. Doesn't this apply to our diets, the same way it might apply to anything else?

When I was in therapy after my accident, I was supposed to swim (read: TRY to swim; it was painful and difficult) for an hour every day. I was good for a few days and then I noted that I started making excuses, I was too busy, I could skip today and do more tomorrow (only tomorrow I had another excuse), I didn't feel so good, the water was too cold, I was behind on doing some task, etc. So, what I did was this: I told myself, I'll just do FIVE minutes - just a token to keep my hand in, so to say - and that way I will have met my obligation a LITTLE bit and I won't feel so much like a complete slacker. After all, five minutes is better than nothing.

With that thought, knowing that I wasn't obligated to a big ordeal, I could get on the suit and head out the back door.

So, I would get in the water for my five minutes and, guess what? After five minutes I would say to myself: "well, I'm here and I've done five minutes, no reason I can't do 10." After ten minutes I'd say to myself: "okay, I've done ten minutes, no reason I can't do 20." After 20 minutes: "I'm only 10 minutes away from HALF an hour, might as well take it to there." And after half an hour: "Gee, I've done half, why not just go the whole way? That wasn't so hard!"

Hopefully, you can get the principle I'm trying to convey here. It's like bargaining with the predator, throwing the wolf a piece of meat to distract him from what you are really doing which is building a history of DOing in spite of all the internal resistance. Once you have a history of DOing, the internal resistance gets weaker and weaker and one day, there is just YOU in charge, finally.

So, if you find yourself slipping back, just commit to doing a little bit of whatever it is now, and you will find that once you get the flow going, the rest may come easier. And, of course, there is always the situation where you ARE unable to complete something and just doing a little bit does keep your hand in!

I have wicked struggles with "myself" over coffee. I love how it smells, so I convince myself that its going to taste really good (my dad buys "good" coffee), and sometimes I pour myself a cup without really thinking about it. But then I dump it after taking a few sips, or I just let it sit next to me on the table and I smell it for a few minutes and I don't drink any of it. Isn't it ok for us to ease into these things? Isn't it ok for people around us to do the same?

A friend of mine has had some chronic health issues and asked me for advice a couple of times because she knows my interests. She's my age (28), but suffers from psoriasis and chronic inflammation. She's also irritable and moody, quick to anger. She works as a baker and eats tons of bread, pastries (sugar and dairy as well), drinks 3 or 4 big cups of coffee a day and eats lots of cheese. This is basically the diet I used to be on, and she noticed how much healthier I am since I have been working to change. I suggested that she take fish oil for the inflammation, and asked if she took vitamins and suggested that she read Ultramind. So far so good. I wasn't going to mention gluten, but her boyfriend brought it up (he has digestion issues and has cut it out in the past) and she totally flipped and got angry. So I figured she would disregard the whole conversation. A couple of weeks ago she told me that she had started taking a multivitamin and fish oil tablets soon after that conversation, and although she didn't notice "much of a difference" yet, she thanked me for taking the time to talk to her and asked me for the name of the book again. She also said she had visited a naturopath who asked her the same questions I had asked her and took blood to run food sensitivity tests and suggested that gluten and dairy might be issues.

Another example is my mom. She seemed to take my efforts to change my diet personally at first. Recently however, after suffering from several "colds" early in the summer while I have gotten progressively healthier and more balanced emotionally, she decided that she was "ready to give all of those vitamins a try" if I would help her. I said I would if she were willing to read the Ultramind Solution so she understood what she was doing and wasn't just taking my word for it. She agreed. The next thing I knew (about 2 weeks later) she bought several other supplements for herself that I wouldn't have thought of and has told me almost every day that she can't believe how much better she feels. She is a teacher at a local elementary school and she's ready to make the whole staff at the school read the book. She's meeting with the parents of one of the worst "problem students" at the school next week, who of course survives on a diet consisting primarily of colored sugar water and corn dogs, to try to convince them that his diet might have something to do with his inability to concentrate and his poor behavior. I can't get her to stop drinking beer and eating an occasional cookie, but she's taking supplements and has dropped wheat for the most part, switched from coffee to tea, then from black tea to mostly herbal tea. So maybe small steps are ok?

I stopped putting my energy into telling people about what I was doing, and I work on actually doing it, and the people around me seem to be noticing and taking an interest. So I guess what I'm saying is, I've learned that everyone learns at their own pace.

 

[Lucius]

I found it safe to basically express discontent for the government without going into details of what they have done per se. So instead of hinting that 911 was an inside job, I basically say that the government are notoriously corrupt and would first do what their pocketbooks dictate before they really "protect" anyone or care about their own people. They care about power and money first and foremost, and everything else is an afterthought. Sometimes I even explicitly say that they are psychopaths, depending on the receptivity of the person.

Most people, even the mainstream believers, tend to agree with that sentiment. So I'm just offering social proof that it's "ok" to think the government are a bunch of self-serving liars, since this is already a popular notion, without stepping on any specific sacred cows like 911 or any specific methods of corruption. If the person is receptive enough I give them address of sott. I put a caveat that there are conspiracies on there, but that I found them to be very well defended with a lot of objective evidence, so it is less "theory" and more analysis of the evidence, which naturally leads sott into the reality of conspiracy. That way I kinda protect myself too - if the person ends up disagreeing with sott, they don't necessarily end up hating me.

I'm kinda doing with sott what the C's suggested to Laura to do with them - preface things with "this is what the C's said" rather than take responsibility for outlandish-sounding theories and invite people to attack you as the source of that theory, so I'm basically saying "here is what this news website says, and I think they do make a good case, even though I am not 100% one way or another myself, but I can't discount the evidence either.."

Tiptoeing around people's sacred cows is tricky business! Sometimes people are not asking for some truths because they are not ready, but are asking for others, like social confirmation of their own building discontent with the government. In some cases when I feel like there's almost nothing I can say because the person is just too convinced, the best I could do is "Sometimes I just wonder if I can trust everything the government says". I can almost feel the constriction of the person's belief systems in my gut, drastically limiting what I can say and how I can say it, it's frustrating! I wonder if it's similar to the constriction Laura feels when she's at the board with someone loaded with assumptions, which limits drastically what the C's can say and how they can say it. Either way, tiptoeing around free will can sometimes be so hard that it's not even worth saying anything at all, since there's barely anything you can say.

This is a good way, I started to use the talks.
"According to the sott.net which is the objective source of data, even though he [...] I can not confirm the source is something in it"
Please answer the caller [...]
"Our government would like to tell us something was not right"
and a smile on your face.

Already a few people realized on foreign Sotta see that the people themselves They shake and then the address of this page and I begin to read regularly. nice feeling:).
when you hear "yes I know it to this page, good information - including the interesting thing is"


nothing on the strength slowly.

 

[Lucius]

on a diet ..
he lost weight 30 kg since I started detox.
no sugar, milk (milk now), no%, no coffe.
I take supplements b6 magnesium, omega 3, calcium, vitamin c. no soya. no breed.
(If I was missing something let me know)
I helped three people lose weight (as a friend - 20 kg, 2nd best friend - 10 kg, an acquaintance - 10 kg).

People around me see the same sense of a better complexion, and begin to ask how you do it? So I'm talking about diet, supplements provides a link to the forum. preparing the menu. I'm talking about principles.

Even if you have not started in 100% of the diet and so it affects their mood, ie better and healthier eating.