Pets Health and Nutrition - Starting Point

Deckard

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Same like with human health many disease processes can be prevented and reversed with proper nutrition.
General rule of a thumb should be "longer the shelf life of the food, shorter the lifespan of your pet".

Here are some links with detailed information for proper start, feel free to continue if you have some good links.

When it comes to our feline companions am delighted I stumbled across this website which contains most comprehensive selection of essential information about feline health care and nutrition I have encountered on the net.
It contains excellent guide to making your own cat food, great deal of information on different medical conditions and vaccines.

http://www.catinfo.org/

And as for our canine friends here are some links which contain excessive information on how to organize your dogs diet. Yes dogs need magnesium supplementation too.
This is my favorite veterinarian and his website is a true treasure cove of various information on dog and human health

http://dogtorj.com/

In case you need to give pills or tablets to your pets this is good to know

http://www.catinfo.org/?link=pillingcats
 

Al Today

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Re: Feline Health and Nutrition - look no further


Thank you for the web site url. Wonderful.!.!.!

:) :) :)
 

Deckard

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here is the link to fairly good supplier of supplements if you are preparing your own cat food

_http://www.knowwhatyoufeed.com/shop_online.html
 

Bluestar

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Thanks for the web site info. My dogs have be grain free for couple of years now and they are doing great.
 

Jones

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Herr Eisenheim said:
And as for our canine friends here are some links which contain excessive information on how to organize your dogs diet. Yes dogs need magnesium supplementation too.
This is my favorite veterinarian and his website is a true treasure cove of various information on dog and human health

http://dogtorj.com/
Looks like a great site :-) I will spend more time reading it.

Just curious though, do dogs also need Omega 3 supps?

Bluestar said:
Thanks for the web site info. My dogs have be grain free for couple of years now and they are doing great.
Yes, I took my dogs off all grains nearly 20 years ago after having read "Raw Meaty Bones" by Tom Lonsdale. I also stopped vaccinating after reading about dogs and 'vaccinosis'.

Like many of us I guess, I've only just caught up with applying the same information to myself!

Seems as though there were clues in our backyards all along.
 

dantem

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Hi Herr Eisenheim, All,

since I'm dealing dealing with a quite big pet here, and since a paleo-diet usually leaves bones of any kind of meat on my dish, I was wondering two things mainly:

1 - Are there restriction about which kind of meat to feed a pet with? Pork, chicken, bovine, sheep, etc..

2 - Usually dogs like bones... is it always the case? Are they good for them?

Cannot find any info on the above mentioned websites, and I'm not into buying canned food of any kind due to economic restriction. Just seeking a way to feed him the best with 'home-made' food.

Thanks.
 

Jones

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My understanding about bones is that yes dogs can/should have them but only if they're raw.

I've fed my dogs based on information from the following for around 20 years now:

http://www.rawmeatybones.com/
 

dantem

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Jones said:
My understanding about bones is that yes dogs can/should have them but only if they're raw.

I've fed my dogs based on information from the following for around 20 years now:

http://www.rawmeatybones.com/
Nice spot! Thanks Jones!

I was wondering if spiky and badly cut bones can arm the pet's belly or mouth... or maybe they just know how to crunch 'em to dust :)
 

Jones

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You're welcome.

I generally choose non weight bearing bones like ribs, brisket or neck if the bones are from a large beast as the weight bearing bones are harder. Also often when they are cut they have sharp edges that do worry me. I have heard of dogs that split back teeth by crunching down on the cut edge of a sawn in half leg bone of a cow. If the bones come from smaller animals I'm less concerned though.

We have an organic chicken meat outlet here in Australia called Leonards that sell the chicken carcasses (rib cage, spine, pelvis) quite cheaply. There is quite a bit of meat left on these and they are roughly 1/3 bone and 2/3 meat and fat. That forms the basis of my dogs diet and I alternately add sardines in water, liver (chicken or lamb), kidney, lamb flap (rib portions with meat and fat), lamb neck, heart, raw egg also table scraps including vegetables that are safe for dogs. Curious if the eggs come fresh from a backyard chicken that free ranges my dog will eat the shell, but she won't eat the shell of any shop bought egg regardless if it's advertised as free range or not.

I remember being concerned when I first started my dogs on this diet and worried about bone portions in the digestive system and the damage they might do. I was always checking their droppings and never found any pieces of intact bone. If there is too much bone and not enough meat, the droppings are very light in colour though and conversely very dark if not enough bone.

I think its also important not to overdo it on the bone at first though and introduce it gradually until it is part of the daily feeding routine.

There are so many area's of benefit.

My dogs, even though I don't bath them very regularly - maybe twice a year, don't really get a 'doggy' smell. They smell like leather. I very rarely see a flea and have only had to treat them once when we moved to a house where there'd been dogs before. They have a much lighter worming schedule, and a very clean mouth and teeth.
 

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Deckard

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dantem said:
Hi Herr Eisenheim, All,

since I'm dealing dealing with a quite big pet here, and since a paleo-diet usually leaves bones of any kind of meat on my dish, I was wondering two things mainly:

1 - Are there restriction about which kind of meat to feed a pet with? Pork, chicken, bovine, sheep, etc..

2 - Usually dogs like bones... is it always the case? Are they good for them?

Cannot find any info on the above mentioned websites, and I'm not into buying canned food of any kind due to economic restriction. Just seeking a way to feed him the best with 'home-made' food.

Thanks.
Hi Dantem,
I see Jones has already answered your questions. I agree it's best to feed raw meaty bones purchased especially for this purpose. I think this will still be cheaper then buying commercial dog food. Diet Guide link to pdf file on this page http://www.rawmeatybones.com/petowners/feedyourdogrmb.php is quite excessive.

Maremmano is a big dog of molossian type and even bigger bones should present any problem.
 

Jones

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Herr Eisenheim said:
Hi Dantem,
I see Jones has already answered your questions. I agree it's best to feed raw meaty bones purchased especially for this purpose. I think this will still be cheaper then buying commercial dog food. Diet Guide link to pdf file on this page http://www.rawmeatybones.com/petowners/feedyourdogrmb.php is quite excessive.

Maremmano is a big dog of molossian type and even bigger bones should present any problem.
Herr Eisenheim, I wonder if you could clarify for me. I'm not sure if you mean excessive as in there's too much of something in the diet? Or maybe you mean extensive as in there's a lot of information?

I agree that it is a much cheaper way to feed dogs.

The authors book is also very interesting in that it details how he tried to present his information about diet to Australian Veterinarians and the related associations and pretty much got booed out of the profession. Vets get nice kickbacks from pet food manufacturers!
 

dantem

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Thank for the ready advices Jones and H.E.!

The big molossian would surely appreciate ;-)

Thanks.
 

Deckard

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Jones said:
Herr Eisenheim, I wonder if you could clarify for me. I'm not sure if you mean excessive as in there's too much of something in the diet? Or maybe you mean extensive as in there's a lot of information?
Yes sorry, I misspelled extensive.

Very nice Rhodesian Ridgeback you have there, its one of my favorite breeds.
 

Deckard

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here is some more info about feeding bones:

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/bones.html
 
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