Piglet, Winnie Poohs best friend and the flu.
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Azur
The Living Force
Gawan said:Hi this picture I saw today on a friends computer and gave me just a good laugh:
I had a funny reaction to this. It was 10% humorous (because of the simplistic swine reference), and 90% angst.
Piglet, the character, represents guileless exploration and wonder.
This cartoon sells him (and his essence) out over mere physical survival.
This bugs me. Sorry to be a wet blanket.
Gawan said:
Hum, i did not find it very funny because probably one day in the near future, those who refuses to be vaccinated or those who have not been vaccinated will be treated like Piglet.
Well, is it not the case already for those who are looking for and searching the Truth?
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Azur said:
Somehow I doubt the artist was commenting on Piglet's 'guileless exploration and wonder' - but, then again, the over-intellectualizing of a cartoon can take one to odd places, I suppose.
I think it makes fun of people who are over-reacting to the H1N1 thing ...
Buddy
The Living Force
This particular cartoon on the webpage where it is presented may be innocent of hidden motive by the website's author, but I can see how a cartoon such as this, or a slightly modified version, could be used to promote the swine flu vaccine - especially among the very young.
On a conscious level the symbolism can be laughed off or overlooked, but being constantly exposed to repetitive instances of this stuff, one might experience an unexplained, but growing sense of fear or anxiety as infantile fears of abandonment/separation activate within those people who might have experienced such things. Thus, the need for self-knowledge.
One possible way to neutralize such messages might be to modify it and send it back to the source (If, for example, someone sent it to my email). I would show piglet sitting in a pile of stinky doo-doo while holding in his hands, a newspaper whose headline reads something like: Studies Show H1N1 Vaccine Works! :D
On a conscious level the symbolism can be laughed off or overlooked, but being constantly exposed to repetitive instances of this stuff, one might experience an unexplained, but growing sense of fear or anxiety as infantile fears of abandonment/separation activate within those people who might have experienced such things. Thus, the need for self-knowledge.
One possible way to neutralize such messages might be to modify it and send it back to the source (If, for example, someone sent it to my email). I would show piglet sitting in a pile of stinky doo-doo while holding in his hands, a newspaper whose headline reads something like: Studies Show H1N1 Vaccine Works! :D
knowledge_of_self
The Living Force
anart said:
Fwiw, I agree with Anart.
Also, I could see the humor in it, but I found it to be more of like a dark-comedy humor. As in, here is the Winnie the pooh gang who are supposed to be the symbol for BEST friends, however they all turned against poor piglet because of their subjective understanding of H1N1 or whatever. It's sad, but true-- therefore kind of humorous in a very dark way imo- if that makes sense.
I will add to the intelectualizing and the humoring here,
Piglet somehow got more attention than his buddies, he even elicited pity!! what would be worse than that! he should turn his back the other side and expect better life on the other side of the river.
The cartoon tells more about his bestest buddies than about him, besides I always knew Winnie the poo was an imposter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW2GhoItKkw
Forgive the lightness hope its not too 'off'
Piglet somehow got more attention than his buddies, he even elicited pity!! what would be worse than that! he should turn his back the other side and expect better life on the other side of the river.
The cartoon tells more about his bestest buddies than about him, besides I always knew Winnie the poo was an imposter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW2GhoItKkw
Forgive the lightness hope its not too 'off'
knowledge_of_self
The Living Force
eliansito said:
I think it's safe to note that the youtube link there is a voice-over and I for one actually do like Winnie the Pooh. He's cute, they all are, even the donkey! So, sorry but I don't see the Satan worshiping in Winnie the Pooh.
Though maybe I've misunderstood your point?If all of the mainstream media and entertainment is designed to maintain the status quo, why would you suppose Winnie the poo is any different. Because they are cute? [edition, apologies for the tone]
I always remember the lyrics of Thomas and friends songs...
"jobs are plenty,
five ten twenty,
jobs for everyone,
jobs gallore and then some more,
there's jobs that must be done..."
"thomas and james are racing,
racing to the wharf,
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
[now echoing in the young mind]
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
Yes the vid's voice is a voice over and a joke, good that you noticed! [edition apologies for the sarcasm]
I always remember the lyrics of Thomas and friends songs...
"jobs are plenty,
five ten twenty,
jobs for everyone,
jobs gallore and then some more,
there's jobs that must be done..."
"thomas and james are racing,
racing to the wharf,
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
[now echoing in the young mind]
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
everyone wants to be the first
no second, third or last..."
Yes the vid's voice is a voice over and a joke, good that you noticed!
[edition apologies for the sarcasm]
Azur
The Living Force
anart said:
I share in your projection of what the author may have meant.
But what the author may or may not have known, is the effect it may have had on others who see this fictional creation as a symbol for something important in society at large.
I'm speaking specifically of children who resonate with this fictional creation's basic "vibration" or message. I try to step into my 8-year-old's shoes, and it's crushing when you know you cannot possibly even understand their map of the World when you can barely understand how your own was pieced together (even after studying here). At stake is not polluting their own map-making with your own blindness, while trying to guide them through what they perceive/see.
It is very, VERY hard to find anything in visual media that is not programming. (Until your kids start to read, this World is or has been MADE very small in perspective in day to day interaction).
There are very few stories involving sane, helpful, caring, social interaction that are worth watching: Piglet's Big Adventure is very good, as is almost anything by Michel Ocelot (Kirikou series, Azur and Asmar). (Coincidence on the Azur name there!
) They are some others, but they are few.They demonstrate very important social values which seem to be natural to most of us, and first hand for me, and my own, and most if not all here.
So, yeah, intellectualizing or not, I'm pissed off about the appropriation of this "symbol".
If any one here can help me see why it bugs me so much, I'd appreciate it.
John G
The Living Force
eliansito said:
I don't think of Thomas as horrible either, George Carlin did a lot of narrating for it. After winning that race, the job Thomas got was not one he was happy about. Other races like Thomas and Bertie and Thomas and Spencer have the loser being gracious. Thomas even gets to lose like with Spencer and the 2nd race with Bertie. (Funny how having kids totally changes your area of expertise for movies/TV).
That Winnie the Pooh picture did its job, it was meant to shock for a good purpose I think, and being a kids show adds to the shock.
Obviously bad things can be done in this area like with Bert of Sesame Street.
