Plane Crashes

On this episode of AvTalk, Ian and Jason are joined by Nomadic Aviation Group’s Steve Giordano to discuss the Alaska Airlines flight 1282 accident. We break down what we know so far about the explosive departure from the aircraft of the mid-cabin exit door plug, how the 737-9 MAX fleet has been affected, and we close with a discussion about where Boeing goes from here.

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737-9 MAX Mid Cabin Exit Door Plug Diagram | Courtesy Boeing, via NTSB

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A Texas Department of Public Safety helicopter crashed in Kinney County while helping ground crews track a group of migrants attempting to avoid apprehension in the brush. The two crew members onboard did not sustain any major injuries, according to a law enforcement source.

At approximately 7:25 p.m. on January 11, a Texas DPS helicopter experienced an inflight emergency and appeared to crash land into a field in Kinney County. The helicopter crew was reported to be assisting a DPS brush crew with tracking a group of migrants attempting to avoid apprehension while hiking through a Texas ranch near the border region.

DPS helicopter crews routinely assist troopers and Border Patrol agents on the ground as they track migrants marching through the brush.

A U.S. Navy helicopter carrying six crew members crashed into the San Diego Bay on Thursday night, according to the agency.

A MH-60R helicopter from Helicopter Maritime Strike squadron 41 went down around 6:40 p.m. during routine training, according to U.S. Navy Commander Beth Teach.

Due to the nature of the training, a safety boat was nearby and all six crew members survived, thanks also in part to the assistance of Federal Fire, Commander Teach said.

All crew member were promptly moved ashore and are undergoing medical evaluation.

The cause of the crash is being investigated.

HSM-41 is a Fleet Replacement Squadron (FRS) that trains the Navy's newest Naval Aviators and Naval Aircrewmen to fly and fight the MH-60R Sea Hawk helicopter, which is the Navy's most advanced rotary wing maritime strike platform, according to Commander Teach.

No other details were available.
New details on plane that crashed near Half Moon Bay
Updated: Jan 15, 2024 / 05:10 PM PST
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HALF MOON BAY, Calif. (KRON) — A body was found in the water Monday morning in the same area where a small plane crashed near Half Moon Bay Sunday night, the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office said. There were two people on board the plane, which was a single-engine Cozy Mark IV, the National Transportation Safety Board confirmed Monday.

The plane was seen flying “erratically” near Moss Beach prior to the crash, according to the sheriff’s office. Debris consistent with parts from a plane was found in the ocean near the coastline later on Sunday evening.

On Monday morning, while a multi-agency search was being conducted for possible survivors, a dead woman was spotted in the water by a commercial fishing boat. The woman’s body was brought to shore and taken to the San Mateo County Coroner’s Office.

The identity of the woman is still being determined. Officials say it is likely she is associated with the plane crash, given she was found in the same general area.

Earlier on Monday, the United States Coast Guard announced it had suspended the search for possible survivors.

“It’s never easy to make the decision to suspend search efforts, and our deepest sympathies go out to the families involved in this incident,” said Ian McGoohan, operations unit controller at the Coast Guard Sector San Francisco Command Center. “We are truly grateful for the efforts of our partners assisting in search efforts.”

The crash happened around 7:04 p.m. near Moss Beach Distillery. Prior to crashing, the plane took off from Hayward Executive Airport and flew over San Francisco.

Data from the tracking website FlightAware shows that the plane landed at Half Moon Bay Airport at 5:04 p.m. after taking off from Hayward at 4:29 p.m. According to NTSB investigators, the aircraft crashed shortly after taking off from Half Moon Bay Airport.

The aircraft was first located upside down on its head, San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Philip Hallworth said. The plane’s ownership is registered to Winged Wallabies, Inc., which operates out of an Oakland address.

The plane involved in the crash was a Cozy Mark IV, which is a home-built, light aircraft that utilizes prefabricated metal parts.

Agencies, including the San Mateo Fire Department, San Mateo Police Department, and a California Highway Patrol Helicopter aircrew, assisted with search efforts.

The plane crash happened a few miles away from the Half Moon Bay Airport at 9850 Cabrillo Hwy. The United States Coast Guard, California Highway Patrol and fire crews responded to the crash on Sunday.

The Federal Aviation Administration and the NTSB are investigating the crash.
This story will be updated.

Jan 15 2024

Four and a half hours of anxiety, then relief.

The teams at La Rochelle-Ile de Ré airport had to manage, on Saturday January 13, a fortunately extremely rare experience: helping a plane land on the runway, with landing gear up.

The Piper PA-31e based in Rouen (Seine-Maritime), flying for the company Pix Air Survey, was carrying out a mission to take aerial photos above La Rochelle when, around 12:30 p.m., the crew, made up of two pilots, decides to land.

But, during the landing procedure, the crew noticed a problem with the plane’s undercarriage. The traditional “three points” does not come out. The pilots then returned to the ocean to try to find the cause of the failure.

The Mont-de-Marsan fighter squadron was immediately alerted. A Rafale fighter jet was scrambled to observe the wheels locking and to establish contact.

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March 14, 2009


Accident: Jetways F50 at Ceel Barde on Jan 18th 2024, impacted house
By Simon Hradecky, created Thursday, Jan 18th 2024 12:19Z, last updated Thursday, Jan 18th 2024 14:23Z

A Jetways Airlines Fokker 50 freighter, registration 5Y-JWG performing a flight from Mogadishu to Ceel Barde (Somalia) with 4 crew carrying humanitarian aid from Mogadishu (Somalia), impacted a house near Ceel Barde Air Strip. The captain was killed, the first officer survived with serious injuries, the two other occupants survived "shocked and speechless". It is currently unknown whether there were occupants in the house. The aircraft sustained substantial damage, the house collapsed.

Elbarde Airport confirmed the accident reporting the aircraft carried 4 UNO workers of the World Food Programme, the aircraft is thought to have impacted the house outside the airport during a go around attempt on approach to Elbarde Airport after one of the gear struts did not extend.

There is no information available about the Elbarde airstrip/airport, the city Ceel Barde is located at N4.82 E43.7 and features an office of the "Action Contre la Faim/Action Against Hunger Somalia (AFC)" organisation.

The aircraft after impact with the house:
Incident: Atlas B748 at Miami on Jan 18th 2024, engine fire
By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Jan 19th 2024 12:20Z, last updated Friday, Jan 19th 2024 17:02Z

An Atlas Air Boeing 747-8 Freighter, registration N859GT performing flight 5Y-95 from Miami,FL (USA) to San Juan (Puerto Rico) with 5 crew on board, was climbing through about 2000 feet out of Miami's runway 09 when the crew declared Mayday reporting a #2 engine (GEnx, inboard left hand) fire, the #2 engine emitted streaks of flames and sparks in regular intervals. The aircraft stopped the climb at 3000 feet and returned to Miami for a safe landing on runway 09 about 15 minutes after departure. The aircraft vacated the runway and stopped on taxiway T8 for checks by emergency services, following the checks the aircraft taxied to the apron.


The NTSB opened an investigation, Boeing and General Electric stated they are supporting the NTSB in their investigation.

5Y95 (GTI95) Atlas Air Flight Tracking and History 18-Jan-2024 (KMIA-SJU / TJSJ) - FlightAware

The aircraft climbing out seen from the ground:​

Catastrophic ENGINE FAILURE after bird strike. Southwest Boeing 737 MAX 8 loses engine. Real ATC
THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT: 18-JAN-2024. An Atlas Air Boeing 747-8 (B748), registration N859GT, performing flight GTI95 / 5Y95 from Miami International Airport, FL (USA) to San Juan Luis Munoz Marin International Airport (Puerto Rico) after departure, about at 3000 feet, declared MAYDAY, reported engine number 2 fire and requested return back to the airport of departure. After landing the airplane vacated the runway and stopped on taxiway for inspection.
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Initial climb after takeoff
00:38 MAYDAY, engine fire. The airplane returns back to Miami
01:37 Engine number two is out
04:14 The pilots contact Tower controller
04:38 Landing. Communications on the ground at Miami International
The plane that disappeared in Afghanistan was registered in Russia
Rosaviation: the Falcon plane that disappeared in Afghanistan was registered in Russia

MOSCOW, January 21 - RIA Novosti. The Falcon aircraft that disappeared in Afghanistan has been registered in the state register of civil aircraft of the Russian Federation, the Federal Air Transport Agency reported.
Earlier, the Pajwok agency reported, citing local officials, that an Indian passenger plane crashed in the mountains of the Afghan province of Badakhshan. Khaama Press agency reported that the Indian plane deviated from its original course.
"On Saturday evening, January 20, while in the airspace of Afghanistan (near the border of Tajikistan), the Falcon 10 aircraft registered in the state register of civil aircraft of the Russian Federation stopped communicating and disappeared from radar screens," the message says.
Пропавший в Афганистане самолет был зарегистрирован в России
Пропавший в Афганистане самолет был зарегистрирован в России
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Catastrophic ENGINE FAILURE after bird strike. Southwest Boeing 737 MAX 8 loses engine. Real ATC
Consumer trust in Boeing falls with latest aircraft emergency,report shows
Jan 20, 2024
Following another scary moment aboard a Boeing aircraft, when a 747 cargo plane landed safely after flames were seen shooting from an engine in the sky over Miami, consumer trust is falling for the company.

The latest emergency landing comes as the company is undergoing an unrelated FAA investigation while trying to retain consumer confidence. The Boeing 747 cargo flight, bound for Puerto Rico was forced to turn around just minutes after takeoff – flames appear to be shooting from an engine – the five-person crew was uninjured.

While Boeing promises transparency, the damage, at least temporarily, has been done. According to research firm Morning Consult, consumer net trust in the company has dropped 12 percentage points since the beginning of January.
Solo pilot of a Beechcraft C99 Commuter crashes at southern New Hampshire originating from Manchester-Boston Regional Airport

L-1 The Bolivarian Air Force (Venezuela) has destroyed a Gulfstream with registration V3-GRS, although this registration appears to be false. The plane came from Quintana Roo, in Mexico, and managed to reach the southwest of Lake Maracaibo, to an unprepared runway where it was hit by the Sukhoi 30 of the AMB. The plane would have entered Venezuelan airspace flying at low altitude, without authorization and with the transponder turned off. It is believed that the plane may belong to drug trafficking. At the moment it is unknown if there have been any victims.

VIDEO: Flight from San Francisco to Boston makes emergency landing with damaged wing​

SAN FRANCISCO -- A flight from San Francisco International Airport had to make an emergency landing in Denver on Monday because of problems with the wing.

One of the passengers took video where you can see damage to a part of a flap on the wing with a chunk apparently ripped off.

The flight was headed to Boston at the time.

United Airlines says the flight landed safely and another plane took customers all the way to Boston -- where they arrived early Tuesday Morning.


Is there a thread for all of the plane related incidents that have been happening lately?
Unusual incident on LATAM plane bound for Auckland having flown from Sydney. Pilot said his gauges just blanked out when plane dropped suddenly.
Latam Airlines flight LA800 departed Sydney at 11.35am on Monday with 263 passengers and nine flight and cabin crew headed for Auckland. About two-thirds of the way into the three-hour flight, the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner – which was eight years old, according to flight tracking data – “experienced a strong shake”, the airline said.
The incident occurred after a “technical problem”, the Chilean carrier said, as it continued to investigate the incident. Passengers on board the flight told New Zealand news site Stuff that once the plane landed, the pilot was in “shock” and said his “gauges just blanked out”. Without the instrument panel, passengers claimed the pilot said he briefly lost the ability to fly his plane.
Fifty people were treated by 14 ambulance crews who were waiting for the flight when it landed safely at Auckland airport on Monday at about 4.30pm local time.
Thirteen of those were hospitalised, including one in a serious condition.
The mid-air drop has been described as lasting for about a second or so.
The Auckland-based DJ Lucas Ellwood, a passenger who had his seatbelt on at the time of the drop, said the lunch service had just finished when the plane “all of a sudden fell”.
“It was over [in] under a second so it was a very quick jolt,” Ellwood told ABC News. “It felt like an earthquake had just hit.”
“Everything was smooth sailing and then it just struck us, with no warning from the pilots,” Ellwood told the Guardian.
Ellwood said everything that was not strapped down instantly hit the roof.
“It was harrowing,” he said. Passengers and crew members were left injured and bleeding, while others were visibly shaken, Ellwood said.

Douglas DC-4 plane with 2 people on board crashes into river outside Fairbanks, Alaska
A Douglas C-54 Skymaster has crashed into the Tanana River outside Fairbanks, Alaska
There were two people on board, the Federal Aviation Administration said in an email to The Associated Press. There was no immediate word on their conditions.
The C-54 is a military version of the Douglas DC-4, which was a World War II-era airplane. The website said standard passenger seating for a DC-4 was 44 during its heyday, but most have been converted to freighters.
Troopers, who initially identified the crashed plane as a DC-4, said in a statement that people should avoid the area of the crash.
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