Predicting a hit regarding men losing most of their sex drive

[Buddy]

Personally, I think that...

...we will say that as the waves continue to come there will be a unilateral rising of consciousness within the population. At a certain point, when men are in the deepest point of mastering feeling, the feeling center will be activated.

...should probably be kept in mind along with the diet observations mentioned and also considered with...

...this, then, may well in turn result in the C's prediction coming true in a natural way, as a result of biochemical changes impacting psychology.

...especially in its reciprocal version, where psychological changes may also impact the biochemical and cumulative effects spiraling upwards as part of the "rising of consciousness within the population."

Just take one aspect of being, like that sense of human dignity for example. A rise in consciousness may also involve rises in all interrelating aspects of man that fall under 'the good'. An increase in one's sense of dignity, may result in suddenly seeing most, if not all, pornography (for example) in the light of 'degradation of human beings'. Would pornography, then, hold any more interest for a person in a 'higher state' than the idea of doing any other kind of harm to others or to self?

I think this is another reason why we Work. Before real Work, someone might ask "what to do about pornography or addiction to same? Well, in Work terms the general answer would be something like: "No special treatment needed. Just Work on your own degraded state of being, since that's where pornography links to you."

IOW, increase your being and you'll automatically leave the problem behind. Maybe that's one real meaning and manifestation of "a unilateral rising of consciousness"?

 

[aimarok]

Therefore a ketodiet which is almost carb free doesn't trigger any insulin spike and might decrease the testosterone level, hence the reduced sexual drive.

Lutz and Allan made a hypothesis in their Life Without Bread that insulin being at the anabolic side of metabolism together with sex hormones should inhibit them and high-carb diet must be a cause of low sex drive. Also Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint comes to mind where author promotes low-carb + HIIT lifestyle and makes a note that he's still sexually active being 54 years old. So diet and lifestyle may play a minor role in libido reduction (I'm not speaking about anomalous health conditions here, like diabetes) and major cause of this reduction could be The Work like Ps said.
In last months I experienced it by myself and my wife is not happy about it Since Ps mentioned explicitly men, it would be interesting to hear some feedback from women here. Did you notice any changes?

 

[Wu Wei Wu]

Haha Aimarok, my partner was the same way. She was not at all pleased to learn that sex didn't quite 'get me off' and that I'd rather read a book.

I've definitely noticed many of the same occurrences. Meditative practices in particular seem to stem the sex drive. It is clear that there is a real competition in my life for energy between the sexual desires and the pursuit of knowledge. Of I persist in knowledge, I grow stronger, feel great, and feel focused. On occasion when I have indulged I feel lethargic, empty, and somewhat dazed.

The carb note is very interesting. To say high carb diet = greater sex drive is also easy to test if anyone wishes to do so. I can't say I'm all that keen on giving up my strength and focus though... is anyone here posting not presently on a ketogenic diet and willing to test this and provide some anecdotal evidence for the forum?

 

[Miss.K]

In last months I experienced it by myself and my wife is not happy about it Since Ps mentioned explicitly men, it would be interesting to hear some feedback from women here. Did you notice any changes?

I think that due to conditioning regarding male and female roles, that it can be more difficult for a woman to be turned down sexually than for a man, because the conditioning goes that if a man don't want sex it is because he don't find the woman attractive (since men always want sex), where as a woman is allowed to just not feel like it, and so it doesn't say anything about if she is attracted to her man. (this is of cause BS, but nevertheless can be the belief if one has not conciously thought about it) fwiw

I can't really say if it is due to diet, or due to other work on self, but it is not that my sexdrive has decreased (rather increased I'd say), but it has changed, and cannot be seperated from love, so the longing is for a deeper connection, -the thought of masturbation just seems silly and boring, and the thought of having sex with someone for the sake of sex is just out of the question (I wouldn't want another person so close to me unless there was profound love and trust) ....OMG I'm opening a can of worms here, and might never post again due to selfimportant embarrasment....I just had a few days eating chocolate icecream again, and when questioning myself as to why I'm doing something so stupid, I came to the conclusion that it is due to sexual frustration, and profound sadness, because I don't believe I'll ever be so lucky as to find love, thus never be so lucky as to have sex again....I stopped doing EE after a few times last year, and have not dared to try again, because it (quite powerfully) unleashed this longing for sex with soulmate, that I simply don't know what to do about, and I couldn't (can't) handle that can of worms. (better cage that beast and just be numb)

The carbs certainly don't increase the sexdrive for me, (to the contrary I feel totally asexual now) but it might have to do with feeling sick due to eating something my body don't tolerate.

 

[lwu02eb]

Actually Miss.K that was a very honest and very moving admission. It is certainly known that binge eating sweet food is a type of addictive behaviour, and that it is often used to fill an emotional void. I too have this tendency, funnily enough, I binged on chocolate last night but the problem I find is that rather than making anything better, it actually increases emotional volatility and, in my case, irrationality.

On the subject of the sex drive, I am female and I have never had any sex drive to speak of during my adult years. I have been with my long term partner for 12 years and it has been a constant source of problems. I have reason to believe that this is due to abuse issues when I was younger. Things have improved between us as we have developed trust but it does bring me feelings of guilt and remorse that I can be with a fantastic, loving, patient and kind man and be totally indifferent to love making; though this is an improvement from feelings of shame and disgust at sexual pleasure.

Sorry to hijack your post Miss.K, just seemed a good opportunity to give you the other side of the coin, so to speak.

 

[Miss.K]

Actually Miss.K that was a very honest and very moving admission. It is certainly known that binge eating sweet food is a type of addictive behaviour, and that it is often used to fill an emotional void. I too have this tendency, funnily enough, I binged on chocolate last night but the problem I find is that rather than making anything better, it actually increases emotional volatility and, in my case, irrationality.

Thank you for the kind words lwu02eb, and yes sugar don't make anything better. (well it makes me feel sick, so I have something else to think about)
-I have heard though that chocolate contains something (don't know what) that the body releases from sex, so it's common for ladys to compensate for sexual frustration by eating chocolate (might be the case from both wanting and not wanting sex?)

On the subject of the sex drive, I am female and I have never had any sex drive to speak of during my adult years. I have been with my long term partner for 12 years and it has been a constant source of problems. I have reason to believe that this is due to abuse issues when I was younger. Things have improved between us as we have developed trust but it does bring me feelings of guilt and remorse that I can be with a fantastic, loving, patient and kind man and be totally indifferent to love making; though this is an improvement from feelings of shame and disgust at sexual pleasure.

Sorry to hijack your post Miss.K, just seemed a good opportunity to give you the other side of the coin, so to speak.

Sorry you had abuse in your past, and no no you didn't hijack my post, it is good to get the other side of the coin :)

 

[Yozilla]

I have had a long struggle in the past year regarding sex and masturbation. Trying to fight against them like that is very draining, and turned out not to be a very effective strategy for me. It was only when my understanding had truly grown, facilitated by the keto diet, that these urges went from Powerful, to manageable, to minor, to almost nonexistent in a short time, without a supereffort of abstinence on my part.

I had similar issues and the catch, i suppose, was that i wasn't regarding it as a big problem. i was reacting just on sexual attributes of opposite gender but this "universal database" here swayed my psyche totally - and it is quite amazing to me-self - how i like it howsoever now. If i remember correctly Tesla once said that he had redirected his sexual into creative energy and look all that he achieved. So i can only wonder how much more humanity could benefit if being able to follow his example. Just imagine the growth of consciousness if we could reach just a part of his attainments which he has made in electric engineering - could be quite exponential!!!

Yozilla D'monster

 

[Carl]

I have had a long struggle in the past year regarding sex and masturbation. Trying to fight against them like that is very draining, and turned out not to be a very effective strategy for me. It was only when my understanding had truly grown, facilitated by the keto diet, that these urges went from Powerful, to manageable, to minor, to almost nonexistent in a short time, without a supereffort of abstinence on my part.

I had similar issues and the catch, i suppose, was that i wasn't regarding it as a big problem. i was reacting just on sexual attributes of opposite gender but this "universal database" here swayed my psyche totally - and it is quite amazing to me-self - how i like it howsoever now. If i remember correctly Tesla once said that he had redirected his sexual into creative energy and look all that he achieved. So i can only wonder how much more humanity could benefit if being able to follow his example. Just imagine the growth of consciousness if we could reach just a part of his attainments which he has made in electric engineering - could be quite exponential!!!

Yozilla D'monster

Yeah, if there is a true positive use for physical sex in our lives then I have yet to discover it. The drained, lethargic and irritable feeling that lasts at least a day after orgasm is a big clue to where our energy goes. When I don't feed that part of me, I have MUCH more interest in knowledge and spiritual pursuits.

The predator is still there in me hijacking the sexual energy, just in less obvious ways. I've noticed recently that I make a bigger effort to talk to girls I find attractive for example. Trying to see people objectively helps a lot with this.

 

[sitting]

The drained, lethargic and irritable feeling that lasts at least a day after orgasm is a big clue to where our energy goes.

And that's why Taoist practitioners strongly recommend against ejectculation for the male. It's a BIG no no. There is a mitigating technique however, commonly called the "Million Dollar Point." There is still some energy loss but not nearly as much.

I recalled the C's comment regarding orgasmic energy draining to 4 D. They said it almost always drain there, implying that in some very few instances, it does not. I'm guessing this has to do with "will" and "intent" coupled with some appropriate physical technique. But I'm really not sure.

 

[Gary]

The drive is still there but I find myself seeing women in a different way. Rather the being attracted to purely physical charm I seem to notice signs of depth of character in women.

This is along the lines of what I've been thinking. The decrease in sex drive allows for the ability to see others more clearly. They become human (or at least more so) as opposed to an object to be fed off. I suppose if we think of sexual energy as being on a continuum (a spiral?) where one can either be moving upwards towards creativity (sto) or downwards towards the more physical which manifests as a desire for sex (sts), it would stand to reason that all pursuits related to truth would be reflected outward.

Edit: clarity

Added:

Q: (L) Now, I was just reading in "Bringers of the Dawn" about male energy and female energy and it says: "We have said that the male vibration will transform in a very short period of time. We will not tell you why or how because some of you will consider it to be entirely too ominous, however, we will say that as the waves continue to come there will be a unilateral rising of consciousness within the population. At a certain point, when men are in the deepest point of mastering feeling, the feeling center will be activated. This will either occur gently or it will be blown wide open." What will be "entirely too ominous?"

A: Energy redirection.

Q: (L) Energy direction is going to happen and that is what you are saying is the ominous thing here?

A: Overview.

Q: (L) Well, what does energy direction specifically mean? What kind of energy?

A: Sexual.

A: [...] Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.

These two parts in bold stand out for me in particular. Maybe for those who are addicted to the physical in all it's forms may have difficulty letting go of this lack of true engagement (whether with the self or others) in all forms.

Thanks to all contributing to this thread. Since my last relationship about 6 months ago, I have been celibate. I had never really appreciated before how much time and energy I was directing to the pursuit of finding a loving partner and thinking about and achieving sexual gratification. The distinction between romantic love and sex has possibly become gradually clearer to me. I think my 'feeling' center closed down after my divorce and I sunsequently got 'lost in lust' for a few years. Even when I thought I had found my 'soulmate' and we experimented with Taoist tantric love making, because we were so 'in love' and 'spiritual' (seeing orbs and lights in the bedroom validated that it was 'soulful' of course! I know better now!!!) She had a fling behind my back though, hey ho! I had many lessons from that 'new agey' relationship.

There is so much disinfo with the New Age movement of course - the 'sacred sex' hook being a particularly tempting one!.

I still feel the sexual predator within, but my sex drive has lessened considerably, as I have strived recently to be more committed to the Work. When I remember alot of my sexual encounters the "aggression and lack of feeling" that the C's mention, even when I thought it was in a 'loving relationship' I can recall with clarity my aggressive facial expressions and language etc. It makes me feel rather sad and empty when I think of it now. I have had very beautiful, tender love making times too in my life (at least thats my perception!), but because I have now identified my sexual desire as a potentially vulnerable point in my armour, I am happier I have chosen to claim sovereignty over my sexual nature. Even masturbation feels like a predominently meaningless experience at the moment, it seems more satisfying to read a book or engage in more creative projects. Makes me wonder where all these 'lustful STS actions and thoughts' manifest, perhaps via 4D STS to alternate realities as ugly creatures, viruses etc? or do they create another dark essense of ourselves we will one day face when the Wave hits?

Now I am striving to concentrate more on "spiritual pursuits" but would still love to meet a truly like minded woman (engaged in the Work) to give and share with. (sorry, I don't mean this to sound like a dating advert!) :) Yet I know if and when that occurs, it will be the right time.

 

[Nook]

Well, my sex drive was strongest between the ages of 8 and 13 which says a lot about the need to fill a certain emotional void. After that was over, I detested my fellow students - some of them friends - who were all about physical attraction, mindless and emotionless sex and whenever I did feel the drive in me, I also detested myself. It fueled my self-hatred because I was engaging in thoughts unwillingly that I absolutely despised.

This is one of the many reasons I am very grateful for the KD. I have been suppressing and ignoring - most of the time - this drive up until more than 3 years ago, when gluten, wheat, flour, etc were cut out of my diet. Then the drive became like even smaller but it was still there. After going on the KD, it was almost completely gone. Almost. It's still there but it doesn't just pop up randomly as it used to. I have more clarity in emotion, thought and more control over myself. And I couldn't care less about someone being labeled as 'attractive' as physical attributes mean nothing to me. Depth, knowledge, character, etc can give rise to interest in me but even than, sexual interest is one of the last interests to arise. I don't even think about meeting someone who even knows about The Work or involved in some sort of self-approvement - let alone actually be engaged in it - as that would be wishful thinking, osit.

And as it has been one of my childhood goals in life to find 'the love of my life', I had to overcome this desire. I'm not fully over it but at this point in 'time', I'm more than fine with my current relationships (as I basically have only one). Less distractions, more time to reflect and work and improve.

P.S.: Doing the EE definitely helped, as I started doing it also about 3 years ago (when it came out)

 

[Cyre2067]

Mine has been fizzling for a few months now, it was to the point where I was addicted to orgasm. I didn't feel right or couldn't sleep or couldn't think clearly unless I ejaculated 3-7x a week, minimum. Though I'm not sure if it's the diet, meditation or reading Cupid's Poisoned Arrow (thanks Foxx!) - but I've been less and less interested in sex.

I'm very happy about it frankly, it felt like a compulsion and not normal healthy behavior.

 

[Maya]

I've been less and less interested in sex.

I'm very happy about it frankly, it felt like a compulsion and not normal healthy behavior.

Oh, I know what you mean :/

My husband and I are together for 7 years now and he is still the most attractive male person
for me on entire world but I'm just not in the mood for that kind of action any more ..kill me, but I
would rather lay down and read a book ...
is it because of the permanent ketosis state we're in or something else I'm not sure...
my husband says it's the same for him most of the time, even I know it would probably
make him very happy if we make love at least once a month....
you know, for 'good old times sake'

So...we had a deal - he will let me know if he/ when is in the mood and then I will 'decide' how I
feel at that particular moment ... no presure...
he jokes it's not proper time for him to have sex any more, because he's 53 (I'm 31) ...
so what to say..

it's really crazy but it's honest and I like it....

 

[Jono]

The drained, lethargic and irritable feeling that lasts at least a day after orgasm is a big clue to where our energy goes.

And that's why Taoist practitioners strongly recommend against ejectculation for the male. It's a BIG no no. There is a mitigating technique however, commonly called the "Million Dollar Point." There is still some energy loss but not nearly as much.

I recalled the C's comment regarding orgasmic energy draining to 4 D. They said it almost always drain there, implying that in some very few instances, it does not. I'm guessing this has to do with "will" and "intent" coupled with some appropriate physical technique. But I'm really not sure.

After reading QPA me and my partner decided to try out 'Karezza' (sex with the intent to bond, without orgasm) and while we're still in the early stages things are great. I feel as if I've finally reached equilibrium and there are no more 'roller coasters' of dopamine surges/crashes.

I can definitely say that my sex drive has greatly decreased now I'm properly following the diet and I'm in ketosis.

Women also have a different appeal to me than they used to, instead of looking upon a woman with any sexual intent my mind only goes as far as wanting a cuddle!

The diet never ceases to fascinate me.

 

[Maya]

a 'cuddle'...yep... that's the right word ! thanks :)