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Protocol 12: Control of the Press

Well, what I find interesting in the whole history, is the original book that a lot of this was derived from, "Discussions between Machiavelli and Montesquieu in Hell". Its certainly a commentary on the strength of the satire when most of these things the author wrote has come true to some extent.

I don't by any means, mean to discredit the 'Protocol' content outright because of the frauds and manipulations of other people. Its just useful pointing out that there was an older book that this was derived from, which had no anti-semitic focus. The SOTT team, is just working back towards that older book I suppose, but keeping the format of the newer material.
 
Protocol 12: Control of the Press

First of all, thanks for posting this, Laura! I just read the Sargon section of SH and I was asking myself these very questions that you all asked the C's, over the last couple days (I actually logged on to ask about Jews/Semites/mission-encoding on another thread, but found the answers here!). I wasn't sure whether the "real Semites" were the Southern Sumerian types (non-Aryan), or the technically Semitic Northern folks (re: Sargon). This seems to clear things up. So the Perseids came South, and mated with various different groups, including some native Middle-Easterners, it would seem, creating the modern Palestinians (Jewish and non-Jewish). This also exlains the Armenian connection that Anders mentioned (also mentioned in passing in SH).

Now, having said that, the following had me laughing out loud.

Q: (L) So that means that the rank and file of Jews that have carried the tradition, the Arabic types, just took on the tradition and carried it and set it back to these Aryan types. They were just intermediaries. (J) Semites is like Middle Eastern, isn't it?
While reading this I couldn't help but hear a valley-girl version of Joe saying, "Semites is, like, Middle Eastern, isn't it?"
 
Protocol 12: Control of the Press

Here is another view of the Protocols from http://www.rense.com/general45/protodd.htm

Some months ago I found several articles questioning the forgery hypothesis. Now after a lot of googling I find only this one.

Makow - Protocols Forgery
Argument Is Flawed
By Henry Makow PhD
12-14-3

Next to the Bible The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is perhaps the mostly widely read book in the world.

Published in Russia in 1903, it purports to be the leaked master plan for "Jewish world domination." It is the kind of thing that would be studied at secret workshops of an occult society.

In different ways, both Zionists and Nazis have made it synonymous with virulent anti Semitism and genocide.

But surely Jews should not be blamed for the machinations of a tiny secret society. The vast majority of Jews would disavow this master plan if they believed it existed.

Surely one can condemn all racism and genocide in the strongest possible terms and still believe the Protocols are authentic.

In my opinion, the equation of the Protocols with anti Semitism is really a ploy to divert attention away from this master plan.

The plagiarism claim is part of a propaganda campaign waged by conscious and unconscious collaborators in academia and the media.


THE FORGERY CLAIM

We are told that The Protocols of Zion is a hoax, a "proven forgery" concocted by the Tsarist Political Police (the Okhrana) to incite anti Semitism and discredit revolutionaries.
But the "proof" is far from convincing.
It consists of three articles published in The London Times (August 16-18, 1921) by Philip Graves. http://www.rense.com/general45/proto.htm

According to Graves, Protocols is a crude, chapter-by-chapter plagiarism of Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864).

It was easy to make this claim while Joly's book was unavailable. Napolean III's police confiscated it as soon as it was published.

But it is available now and I invite you to compare the two texts. In my opinion, they are entirely different in tone, content and purpose. At 140 pages, Dialogues is twice as long as Protocols. Most of it finds no echo in the Protocols.

The crux of Graves' argument is that certain references and passages in Protocols have been lifted from Dialogues. He claims there are 50 of these and produces about a dozen.

Their striking resemblance to the Protocols leaves little doubt that the author did refer to the Dialogues as part of his research. He had no compunction about borrowing or reshaping a few passages that appealed to him.

Indeed Philip Graves is "struck by the absence of any effort on the part of the plagiarist to conceal his plagiarisms."

That's because he had nothing to hide. He was not Graves' "unimportant precis- writer employed by the court or by the Okhrana" to construct a hoax.

He was a diabolical genius crafting an original work. It is simplistic and disingenuous to characterize Protocols as a hoax.


POLITICAL PROVENANCE

Graves' article smacks of Zionist propaganda. Graves "expose" of the Protocols appeared in August 1921 when Zionists were pressing the League of Nations to turn Palestine into a Jewish homeland under British Mandate.
Philip Grave tells the unlikely story that a "Mr. X" brought the Dialogues to him in Constantinople where he was the Times' correspondent. Mr. X presented it as "irrefutable proof" that the Protocols are a plagiarism.

Mr. X was a White Russian, which seems incredible given the Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution. He claims he bought the book from, get this, "a former member of the Okhrana" who had fled to Constantinople.
In The Controversy of Zion, (Chapter 34) Douglas Reed, a Times' staffer, provides additional background.

In May 1920, Lord Northcliffe, a part owner of The Times, printed an article about the Protocols of Zion entitled The Jewish Peril, A Disturbing Pamphlet, A Call for an Enquiry. " It concluded:

"An impartial investigation of these would-be documents and their history is most desirable...are we to dismiss the whole matter without inquiry and to let the influence of such a book as this work unchecked?"

Then in May 1922 Northcliffe visited Palestine and wrote that Britain had been too hasty to promise it to the Jewish people when in fact it belonged to 700,000 Muslim Arab residents.

Mr. Wickham Steed, the editor of The Times of London in 1921 refused to print the article and Northcliffe tried to get him fired.

Somehow Steed was able to have Northcliffe declared "insane" and committed. Later Northcliffe complained he was being poisoned and died suddenly in 1922.

Douglas Reed was Northcliffe's secretary but didn't learn of these events until they appeared in Official History of the Times in the 1950's.

Clearly Northcliffe had offended some "big boys" when he opposed the British Mandate in Palestine. Why was it so important?

Israel is intended to be the capital of the Masonic World Government. They are already constructing the infrastructure. See "The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem" http://thegoldenreport.com/articles.asp?id=00180


THE FORGERY CLAIM IN DETAIL


Philip Graves and the other apologists are incorrect to claim the Protocols plagiarize the Dialogues chapter by chapter.

Graves writes that "the Seventh Dialogue...corresponds with the fifth, sixth, seventh and part of the eighth Protocol. "

At eight pages, these Protocols are twice as long as the Seventh Dialogue.

They mostly contain material not in the Seventh Dialogue, or anywhere else I can find. I will list a few examples from Protocol Five alone.

Protocol Five says "our kingdom will be distinguished by a despotism of such magnificent proportions" that it will "wipe out any goyim who oppose us by deed or word."

In contrast Seventh Dialogue says, "Death, expropriation and torture should only play a minor role in the internal politics of modern states."

Protocols Five says we "robbed [the goyim] of their faith in God" and "insinuated into their minds the conception of their own rights" thereby undermining the authority of Kings. There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.

Protocol Five says, "we shall so wear down the goyim that they will be compelled to offer us international power [allowing us] gradually to absorb all State forces of the world and to form a Super-Government." There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.

Protocol Five says the "engine" of all states is "in our hands" and that engine is "Gold." "We were chosen by God Himself to rule over the whole earth." There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.


ON THE OTHER HAND

The author of Protocols does select a few passages or references from Dialogues that appear unaltered (see Graves) or in different form.

For example, the Dialogues' say: " Everywhere might precedes right. Political liberty is merely a relative idea. The need to live is what dominates states as it does individuals."

In Protocols this becomes, "From the law of nature right lies in might. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact, and one must know how to use it [political freedom] as a bait whenever it appears necessary to attract the masses ... to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority." (Protocols 1)

Graves leaves out the last part to make the resemblance seem greater than it is.

Dialogues (7) say, "Revolutionary ferment which is suppressed in one's own country should be incited throughout Europe."
In Protocols (7) "Throughout all Europe ... we must create ferments, discords, hostilities." There is no reference to suppressing these in one's own country.

The author of Protocols is not a forger creating a hoax, but a conspirator forging an original work.


SAME GENRE, DIFFERENT CONCEPTIONS

Both books belong to the "immoral school" of political theory. Machiavelli pays homage to a long list of rulers "who are progenitors of my doctrine." Both preach might makes right, good comes from evil, and the end justifies the means.

But the similarity ends there. The tone of the Dialogues is dry and theoretical.
It is a debate between fictional political theorists: Montesquieu a champion of democracy and Machiavelli, a champion of tyranny. Dialogues is considered a critique of the reign of Napolean III.
Montesquieu asks how to quell the spirit of anarchy in society. Machiavelli prescribes a "monster called the state" which maintains a democratic artifice but is actually controlled by the "Prince." He talks about how to suppress secret societies.

On the other hand, Protocols is the product of a secret society. It is frankly conspiratorial and subversive and pays homage to Lucifer. Protocols is a "strategic plan from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labour of many centuries come to naught." (Protocol 1)

Unlike Dialogues, we are struck by a sense of relevance when reading Protocols. We recognize its baneful influence in today's world. See my articles "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion?" "Protocols is the NOW Blueprint" and "Protocols Dominates Our Culture."


PROPAGANDA


Since Graves' articles, there have been a number of books arguing the "forgery" thesis. The latest is Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide (1970). http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/cohn.html

Graves and Cohn admit that "the Financial Programme" (Protocols 20-24) which the author calls "the crowning and decisive point of our plans" is largely original.

For serious researchers, Australian researcher Peter Myers presents pro and con views.
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/toolkit.html

Goebbels said that propaganda is effective only when the reader doesn't realize it is propaganda. It follows that dupes write the best propaganda. For example, see Rick Salutin, Protocols of Zion's Critics. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory
/LAC/20031212/COSALU12/TPColumnists/
Although I certainly don't agree with much of what Makow writes, I think his assessment regarding the Protocols is basically correct. By basically I mean that I believe they were written by a group of Zionist Pathocrats (very likely connected to the Rothchilds who also financed the Russian Revolution), but distributed to fuel the very anti-semitism upon which Pathocrats capitalize today.

A hoax is a deception, a pack of lies. The Protocols are too systematic and too well-thought to be a deception. They are passed off as such to generate ambiguity and doubt: "Look at what WE are doing to you. You can never be sure of who WE are can you, or even if we are doing this?"

That a pack of modern Pathocrats picked up a deception and found it inspiring does not make sense to me. That an indended plan was distributed with ambiguity to its origins to terrorize and seed doubt sounds more like the way the Pathocratic mind works, IMO.

To me, to consider the Protocols a compete fabrication out of some demented imagination takes away from the deliberate tone of the text. At the same time to consider this a text of Jewry is what the Pathocrats who wrote it want us to think. In reality they are probably Zionists of both Jewish and Gentile origin, and maybe even more than Zionists. Certainly they would not completely identify themselves.

And we must not forget that psychopaths love to boast to those they manipulate, while always seeding confusion regarding that boasting. So the claimed origins of the text both as genuine and forgery are probably seeped in lies and deception so that we focus more on who did or did not write the text rather than what it says. After all, who would take a forgery seriously? And on the other side, who would focus on the way current Pathocrats of unknown origin are applying the text when rounding up Jews would be so much easier?

I think the text is a genuine Pathocratic creation and reflects predetermined Pathocratic plans, and that is really all we need to know about it.
 
Protocol 12: Control of the Press

Ah, thank you for the post Eso. Always have to remember the onion analogy, just keep peeling away the layers.
 
Protocol 12: Control of the Press

This is a fascinating page from the same site that was linked in the article EsoQuest referenced. It is photographs of the Israel Supreme Court building. It's as freaky as the Denver airport--courtesy of the Rothschild's evidently: http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817

Oh, I think it's actually the same article that is referenced above, called, "The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem." The link didn't work in EsoQuest's post, so here it is.

I think there is something more to it. I believe there is some "occult" reason why pathocrats and the Illuminati seem to say what they are doing (their plans), right out in broad daylight, even though it is often veiled at the same time, in the same clever way that EsoQuest explains the value in the deception surrounding the origin of the Protocols. Nevertheless, the Protocols are the game plan. Right in our faces. Perhaps it's part of the "You gave us permission" schtick. After all, we told you, and you still acquiesced, so you gave us permission. This somehow makes the perpetrators righteous perhaps?
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

We received the following email today:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Welcome to Signs of the Times Forum!
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:39:20 +0000
From: Bruce W <allthatspam@hotmail.co.uk>
To: sott forum



I've uncovered some disturbing facts about you guys.

Giving you a heads up, your members are being informed.

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Not a surprise since we have been going after the disinfo people in our articles and podcasts lately. It will be interesting to see what kind of crap they come up with now.

Added: seems that the sender is associated with this website: http:(2 slash)www(dot)exoticsmoker(dot)com
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Heads-up like in "a warning to be prepared for an imminent event"? Are we supposed to hold our breaths? :D
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

I've uncovered some disturbing facts about you guys.

Giving you a heads up, your members are being informed.
What disturbing facts?

Oh my God! There are none!

They're going to have to do a lot better than this to ruffle some feathers.

J0da said:
Are we supposed to hold our breaths?
Only if they make a smell?? :D
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Laura, would you care to comment or give us some hints about how NLP, subconcious programming, and hypnosis are being used. Also any ideas on how one can learn this sort of thing for themselves. conisder the following.
"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones
we don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 12, 2002,
Department of Defense News Briefing

If I am not mistaken this is classic NLP designed to put the mind in a hypnotic trance like state.
"I know that you know that I know,
what I want you to know is that I know you know, you know"
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

lovebunny1 said:
If I am not mistaken this is classic NLP designed to put the mind in a hypnotic trance like state.
Is that why you keep repeating this question, and these irritating lines, in different threads?
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Is this lovebunny person related to those who sent the "I've uncovered disturbing facts, etc" email?
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

lovebunny1 said:
"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones
we don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 12, 2002,
Department of Defense News Briefing

If I am not mistaken this is classic NLP designed to put the mind in a hypnotic trance like state.
"I know that you know that I know,
what I want you to know is that I know you know, you know"
lovebunny its funny your timing with the rumsfeld quote it just happens to be the quote of the day a top the rense site- coincidence?
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

lovebunny1 said:
"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones
we don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 12, 2002,
Department of Defense News Briefing
Sounds like a classic case of BBB - Bull**** Baffles Brains, the idea being that if you can waffle for so long, you'll send everybody to sleep and nobody'll ask any REALLY interesting questions.
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

lovebunny1 said:
"I know that you know that I know, what I want you to know is that I know you know, you know"
PS this sounds like a comedy film, possibly one of the Pink Panther films.
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Seriously, I think the Rumsfeld quote makes perfect sense. I don't see it as bafflement at all.

You know you know some things, there are other things you know you don't know (I know I don't know electronics), and there is a whole universe of things I don't even know exist so I don't even know I don't know about them.
 

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