Protocol 12, Hasbara, Wikipedia and the CIA

Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

lovebunny1 said:
Laura, would you care to comment or give us some hints about how NLP, subconcious programming, and hypnosis are being used. Also any ideas on how one can learn this sort of thing for themselves. conisder the following.
"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones
we don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 12, 2002,
Department of Defense News Briefing

If I am not mistaken this is classic NLP designed to put the mind in a hypnotic trance like state.
"I know that you know that I know,
what I want you to know is that I know you know, you know"
Okay lovebum: Time to read the rules (http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/misc.php?action=rules, especially this one:

Three, don't spam, just don't, it will be deleted almost immediately, so it's a waste of time. Spamming means sending multiple meaningless posts. If you don't have anything beneficial or informative to say, don't just join in for nothin'. Posts deemed by the moderators (who have experience with this, by the way) to be "noise" will be deleted.
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

EsoQuest said:
Is this lovebunny person related to those who sent the "I've uncovered disturbing facts, etc" email?
LOL - hilarious!

More funny even: The answer is probably; yes. LOL
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Laura,
Glad* to hear these podcasts on Cointelpro in 9-11 Movement. Sent some over to a special archaeologist. Moments later my firewall went haywire. Effum.
Ciao
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Greetings all

Well, I'm here becuase of the recent podcasts, I hadnt actually run across Sign of the Times until last weekend

I found the broadcasts interesting, although not without some questions and reservations about conclusions. Generally I was impressed and I am looking forward to catching the next instalment

So I'm happy to present myself as an open minded person willing to listen and learn more

I do plan to listen to the podcasts again, I sat through 4 in one sitting and I shall make notes as I review them this time and bring them forward here

And when people work together in good faith, the truth always comes out

Regards, John
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

What we all need to keep firmly in mind when considering the so-called "alternative media" and the 911 Untruth Movement is the Protocols of the Pathocrats. Here is the specifie segment that relates to the press:

Protocol 12: Control of the Press

1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows -

2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.

3. We shall deal with the press in the following way: what is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? ...

For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy.... No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification.

I BEG YOU TO NOTE THAT AMONG THOSE MAKING ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO BE ORGANS ESTABLISHED BY US, BUT THEY WILL ATTACK EXCLUSIVELY POINTS THAT WE HAVE PRE-DETERMINED TO ALTER. WE CONTROL THE PRESS

4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

5. If already now we have contrived to possess ourselves of the minds of the GOY communities to such an extent that they all come near looking upon the events of the world through the colored glasses of those spectacles we are setting astride their noses; if already now there is not a single State where there exist for us any barriers to admittance into what GOY stupidity calls State secrets: what will our positions be then, when we shall be acknowledged supreme lords of the world in the person of our king of all the world ....

6. Let us turn again to the FUTURE OF THE PRINTING PRESS. Every one desirous of being a publisher, librarian, or printer, will be obliged to provide himself with the diploma instituted therefore, which, in case of any fault, will be immediately impounded. With such measures THE INSTRUMENT OF THOUGHT WILL BECOME AN EDUCATIVE MEANS ON THE HANDS OF OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE MASS OF THE NATION TO BE LED ASTRAY IN BY-WAYS AND FANTASIES ABOUT THE BLESSINGS OF PROGRESS. Is there any one of us who does not know that these phantom blessings are the direct roads to foolish imaginings which give birth to anarchical relations of men among themselves and towards authority, because progress, or rather the idea of progress, has introduced the conception of every kind of emancipation, but has failed to establish its limits .... All the so-called liberals are anarchists, if not in fact, at any rate in thought. Every one of them in hunting after phantoms of freedom, and falling exclusively into license, that is, into the anarchy of protest for the sake of protest.... FREE PRESS DESTROYED

7. We turn to the periodical press. ... if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us, they will not find any person eager to print their productions. Before accepting any production for publication in print, the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for permission to do so. Thus we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanations on the subject treated of.

8. Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the privately-owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind .... If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in no wise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.

9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant. 10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.

11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.

12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.

13. In order to direct our newspaper militia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizing this matter. Under the title of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watchwords of the day. By discussing and controverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to express ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.

14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders. ONLY LIES PRINTED

15. Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquillize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.

16. Trial shots like these, fired by us in the third rank of our press, in case of need, will be energetically refuted by us in our semi-official organs.

17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other .... These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after him with enthusiasm.

18. Our calculations are especially extended to the provinces. It is indispensable for us to inflame there those hopes and impulses with which we could at any moment fall upon the capital, and we shall represent to the capitals that these expressions are the independent hopes and impulses of the provinces. Naturally, the source of them will be always one and the same - ours. WHAT WE NEED IS THAT, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE IN THE PLENITUDE POWER, THE CAPITALS SHOULD FIND THEMSELVES STIFLED BY THE PROVINCIAL OPINION OF THE NATIONS, I.E., OF A MAJORITY ARRANGED BY OUR AGENTUR. What we need is that at the psychological moment the capitals should not be in a position to discuss an accomplished fact for the simple reason, if for no other, that it has been accepted by the public opinion of a majority in the provinces.

19. WHEN WE ARE IN THE PERIOD OF THE NEW REGIME TRANSITIONAL TO THAT OF OUR ASSUMPTION OF FULL SOVEREIGNTY WE MUST NOT ADMIT ANY REVELATION BY THE PRESS OF ANY FORM OF PUBLIC DISHONESTY; IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE NEW REGIME SHOULD BE THOUGHT TO HAVE SO PERFECTLY CONTENDED EVERYBODY THAT EVEN CRIMINALITY HAS DISAPPEARED ... Cases of the manifestation of criminality should remain known only to their victims and to chance witnesses - no more.
The only difference is that now we work with the Internet and not printed materials. But the principles are the same.
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

About that notorious email and its specific sentence:
Giving you a heads up, your members are being informed.
What I am seeing is that a variety of "new" people popped up on this forum. While this is a good thing in principle, it feels like a number of "them" are here to confuse manipulate and twist - even try to discredit experienced long time posters.

And I think that is meant by "being informed".

So all be extra cautious and discerning and don't let anybody get away with anything!

I have to admit, I am kind of exited to see how things are heating up.
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Fifth Way said:
What I am seeing is that a variety of "new" people popped up on this forum. While this is a good thing in principle, it feels like a number of "them" are here to confuse manipulate and twist...
This happens everywhere, but it is easily possible to track the "whences" of new people happening to "pop up" in charted cyberspace territory.

A comforting (or discomforting) aspect to consider is if you believe that someone has a purpose to confuse, manipulate or twist, and it transpires they are "here" with the purpose of confusing, manipulating or twisting, then it is because they are confused, manipulated and twisted.

Clarity is fundamental, as clear as the cloudless azure sky. And easily recognizable as absent in all but a few of those who know the true path because they are close to God.
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

MaskedAvatar said:
A comforting (or discomforting) aspect to consider is if you believe that someone has a purpose to confuse, manipulate or twist, and it transpires they are "here" with the purpose of confusing, manipulating or twisting, then it is because they are confused, manipulated and twisted.
Or because they are psychopaths. Why did you skip this cathegory???
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

Maybe the concepts are not mutually exclusive, but I believe it's a nature versus nurture thing.
 
Response to our COINTELPRO in the 9/11 Movement Podcasts?

It's interesting that lovebunny (a.k.a. Steve Owens), who thinks Wing TV is directed by agents, diverted this thread from the original topic - the email sent to SotT.

Sorry if this is coming in late. I've been w/out internet for some time and have been doing back reading of the situation from a computer lab.

Laura said:
We received the following email today:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Welcome to Signs of the Times Forum!
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:39:20 +0000
From: Bruce W <allthatspam@hotmail.co.uk>
To: sott forum



I've uncovered some disturbing facts about you guys.

Giving you a heads up, your members are being informed.

_________________________________________________________________
The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search!
http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview
Not a surprise since we have been going after the disinfo people in our articles and podcasts lately. It will be interesting to see what kind of crap they come up with now.

Added: seems that the sender is associated with this website: http:(2 slash)www(dot)exoticsmoker(dot)com
exoticsmoker(dot)com seems to be an outdated site to the newer (but still outdated) exoticsmoker(dot)net. A google search of "exoticsmoker" gives a cached page of exoticsmoker(dot)com:

Am Of Legal Age To Purchase Tobacco And Tobacco Related Accessories And Adult Toys And Novelties. I Am Not Of Legal Age And Must Leave.
This is the same exact information (along with the same incorrect spelling of 'Accesories') that shows up at the Exoticsmoker(dot)net site, so it can be certain that the two sites are from the same person.

A whois search for the owner of exoticsmoker(dot)net shows:

Registrant:
Nathan Fluet
312 e villa theresa drive
phoenix, AZ 85022
US

Domain name: EXOTICSMOKER.NET

Administrative Contact:
Fluet, Nathan badcase@badcase.net
312 e villa theresa drive
phoenix, AZ 85022
US
+1.6024138901
Technical Contact:
NOC (Network Operations Center), Servage.net noc@servage.com
Im Grund 9
Flensburg, DE 24939
DE
+49.46116098358 Fax: +49.46116098359
Nathan is a student of Computer Science at Arizona State University. Besides his interest in smoking paraphernalia and sex toys he is also quite a fan of south park - so much so that he also has a website that hosts free south Park episodes: http://cripplefight(dot)badcase(dot)net

But that's not all; Nathen also has strong beliefs on freedom of speech:

http://www(dot)ipetitions(dot)com/petition/supportsouthpark/signatures-1.html
Nathan Fluet - what horse sh(*)t you can show jesus deficating on the president but god forbid you show muhamed hand someone a helmet CC (Comedy Central) has some serious issues if you ask me
Being a good patriot, he has more recently developed this alternative news website: http:(dbl /)abuse-of-power(dot)org.

And you know who is featured on most every page of this site????

Alex Jones.

Busted.
 
Protocol 12: Control of the Press

Laura, you have said that the Sephardic Jews are the 'real' Jews, and also that the Aryans are the 'real' Semites. Trying to tie the threads together, I come up with the following:

Abraham was a Hittite, and thus a 'Northern' Aryan (like Sargon). This "Abrahamic" line are the carriers of the 4D 'Trojan Horse' gene encoding. These are the Semites that 4D STS want to eliminate. Unless real 'Jews' and real 'Semites' are different classifications, then it seems that by 'mixing the bloodlines' (with the tribes that migrated to Judea during the Thera cataclysm), this group may survive in the Sephardim/Palestinians.

Then there are the 'other' Aryans, who are NOT 'real' Jews: the Ashkenazim (from the Turks/Khazars). By adopting Jewish religion and culture, they have 'evolved' in a nature described by MacDonald for intelligence, or more likely, psychopathy. Judaism is such that those with the "Perseid" bloodline (passed on via mtDNA, from unknown founding 'mothers') are stunted via first circuit programming/circumcision/etc, and those with the psychopathic bloodline breed more psychopaths and become more ponerized.

The Pathocracy, thru Hitler's plan, destroyed many Sephardic Jews. The modern Pathocracy, thru plans for population reduction, intend to eliminate as many 'normal' humans as possible. Included in these will most definitely be those "Semites" with 4D encoding.

Is this a somewhat accurate summary of the working hypothesis?
 
Protocol 12: Control of the Press

That's about the size of it, or so it seems at the present moment.
 
Wikipedia as COINTELPRO

http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/ helps in studying the subject.

I agree that Wikipedia is great, but as Wikipedia itself suggests:
As always: CAVEAT LECTOR! Let the reader beware!
 
Wikipedia as COINTELPRO

I'm with the Commander. I find it to be an amazing resource, but I don't read the main article first on *any* topic, I go right for the 'talk' page to see where the debate is. When you can see what's pissing everyone off, and who is pissed off about what, it makes it even more clear who's misleading who, and where the truth is likely to be found.

In that way, Wikipedia is pretty transparent, because on controversial topics, it places the disputed data right there (on the talk page), and the disputing parties right there disputing it. Of course, less popular topics that have been monopolized or only noticed by one ideology are often just laughable and sad. . . look at the sadly neglected page on 'freedom (political)' (such as it is these days), and you'll see what I mean.
 
Wikipedia as COINTELPRO

wikiepdia is definitely a big fat batch of noise and intentional er...sludge.

its open warfare over there, not an encyclopedia. its just another propaganda mouthpeice with a conservative bias.
 
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