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Protocol 12: Control of the Press

I would like to know if this info is still on the mark, or if it has been revised since it has been written.

I am happy to have read this thread because it helped to understand 9/11 the ultimate truth.
 
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sleepyvinny said:
The trouble is, that all the while they are labelled as a 'fraud', (which they no doubt are in some sense), the details layed out in them are still spookily being carried out,
That is not really true at all. The Protocols were written at a time when socialist movements were strong and they were scripted with an eye towards smearing such movements. For this reason the Protocols advocate a program based upon taxing the wealthy capital and using such wealth to support social services. The theme is that once the Learned Elders are in power it will be necessary to make sure that the ordinary masses never have anything to grumble about and so heavy taxation of capital gains will be used to support a range of facilities and activities which will keep the masses contented. During an earlier era when the Roosevelt administration was advocating things such as social security this was often held up by Right-wingers as a carrying out of the Protocols. But nobody who honestly looks at the program which has taken hold since Ronald Reagan took office is going to maintain that it bears any relation to the Protocols. Where the Protocols explicitly advocate taxation on capital, George Bush overtly removes such taxation. Where the Protocols emphasize the need for the new rulers to maintain some level of social services to keep the public contented, we've seen a systematic effort to strip away social security and transfer all remaining funds over to Halliburton. No one who actually reads the Protocols for what they do in fact say is going to find much of a similarity between our world today and the imaginary world spelled out in the Protocols.
 
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PSM said:
That is not really true at all.
I've no idea how you can say that considering the state of controlled opposition and the controlled press worldwide at this point. Have you actually read the protocols for 'what they do say'? It would seem from this post that either you have not, or you have read them through a filter of understanding that has clouded your perception. There is no question that 'protocol 12' is very much alive and well and describes the current state of the 'fourth estate' quite accurately.
 
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PatrickSMcNally said:
Where the Protocols explicitly advocate taxation on capital, George Bush overtly removes such taxation. Where the Protocols emphasize the need for the new rulers to maintain some level of social services to keep the public contented, we've seen a systematic effort to strip away social security and transfer all remaining funds over to Halliburton. No one who actually reads the Protocols for what they do in fact say is going to find much of a similarity between our world today and the imaginary world spelled out in the Protocols.
Hi Patrick. I think it's important to consider that the Protocols, whether hoaxed or not, were written in a "schizoidal" framework. If you search the forum for the term schizoid and its variations, you'll find some more info on the subject. In the formation of a pathocracy, schizoid doctrines are often one of the first stages. But things get progressively worse. Psychopaths will use a schizoid philosophy to solidify their control until their ideology becomes a caricature of its original form.

In the case of the Protocols, it seems that as our leaders remove their masks of sanity more often, they system will become more totalitarian and more resemble the pathocracies of old. That may explain why some of the protocols no longer seem to be true. There comes a time when they are no longer necessary (at least in the psychopath's mind).
 
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PSM said:
But nobody who honestly looks at the program which has taken hold since Ronald Reagan took office is going to maintain that it bears any relation to the Protocols. Where the Protocols explicitly advocate taxation on capital, George Bush overtly removes such taxation. Where the Protocols emphasize the need for the new rulers to maintain some level of social services to keep the public contented, we've seen a systematic effort to strip away social security and transfer all remaining funds over to Halliburton.
The exact details are irrelevant. You are nitpicking in logistics. Stop staring at the trees and how many branches they have and see instead the forest. The public is kept content with artificial propping up of the economy, with "bread and circuses" as lies are spewed by the media and war take place without control. The public is kept in fear of boogie-men, and constantly struggling with annoying issues like the taxes you mention, and money in general, among other things. You have to keep public happy but not too happy - so they are constantly busy trying to resolve irrelevant "hampster-on-a-wheel" types of issues, so their focus is never on anything that matters. Raise taxes, lower taxes, vote in American Idol, get a better job, get vaccinated for the flu, swallow 25 pills every day for your AIDS medication, etc. You see, if as you say the Protocols were written with Socialism in mind, then you may have to adjust the "logistics" to accomodate a capitalist/democratic environment, as in, change the "forms" but retain the meat and potatoes. And as such, you are nitpicking about irrelevant formalisms and ignoring the fact that everything that does matter in the Protocols is currently in effect. It doesn't matter if it's a car or a boat, if it's falling on your head, it's gonna hurt just the same. If the Protocols say a car is falling on your head, are you gonna look up, see a huge boat instead, and say "haha the protocols were a bunch of nonsense, clearly there is no car falling on my head as they said there is!" ...*splat*

It's not about following something word for word in precise detail. It's about the gist, the idea, the concepts. It's clearly written by someone who understands how psychopaths function - either by a psychopath, or someone who knows how it works. The type of thinking expressed there is not unique, it is as hkoehli says, something we see all the time in our exploration of the psychopathic mentality. Psychopaths don't really follow an outline as a music score, they just "harmonize" with one another naturally, with precise details changing but the song being essentially the same. Yesterday a psychopath plays it on a flute in a jazzy way, today he plays it on an electric guitar in a rock way - it'll still be the same song.

As for there existing an actual literal "plan of action" - I'm sure there is. But I'm equally sure none of us will be privy to it, and Protocols are actually a very good outline of how things work. But the future is open, and psychopaths "adjust" together with the times. They can play communism, democracy, capitalism, fascism, and still get the exact same result with a slightly different shell on the outside. As long as they get and keep total control, everything else is adjusted as needed.
 
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ScioAgapeOmnis said:
If the Protocols say a car is falling on your head, are you gonna look up, see a huge boat instead, and say "haha the protocols were a bunch of nonsense, clearly there is no car falling on my head as they said there is!" ...*splat*
LOL!

In this light, it also might be of interest to know which individuals edited the rather disturbed Wikipedia article on the Protocols:
hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Unfortunately the new Wiki Scanner tool (hxxp://wikiscanner.virgil.gr) is disabled for page titles at this moment.
 
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salleles said:
In this light, it also might be of interest to know which individuals edited the rather disturbed Wikipedia article on the Protocols:
hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Unfortunately the new Wiki Scanner tool (hxxp://wikiscanner.virgil.gr) is disabled for page titles at this moment.
I love the huge picture and link to "antisemitism" on the above protocols of zion link on wiki. I mean, anti-semitism is barely even mentioned in the entire article, yet it's huge and prominent side by side on that page for whatever reason. If an article about the protocols has to have a big warning about "antisemitism" to scare people off, then the article about "The project for the new American Century" should have a picture and link to an article about anti-Americanism, or even better, anti-caucasianism. Clearly, if you have a problem with some world-domination plans by some cult within America, or you think that some cult within America even has such plans, you must either hate America itself, or all white people.
 
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PatrickSMcNally said:
No one who actually reads the Protocols for what they do in fact say is going to find much of a similarity between our world today and the imaginary world spelled out in the Protocols.
um... what!?
maybe you read a different version to me? The Enid Blyton version, perhaps?

protocols said:
Protocol 1 - Right Lies in Might

Protocol 1 discusses the replacement of the rule of law or academic discussion, with the rule of violence, discord and corruption. A key concept is that the majority of the people form an unthinking 'mob' which can be steered towards any action [...]
think about it. take your time. any lightbulbs? no?

protocols said:
Protocol 2 - Destructive Doctrines & Economic Wars

Protocol 2 discusses the propagation of doctrines intended to undermine the viable structure of society, along with wars that result in no material gain for the countries involved, in this way progressively weakening these countries and so manœuvring the secret elite into a position of greater power.

Existing doctrines are hijacked and misrepresented, and new ones are created, all with the purpose of undermining every existing system of rules, values, morals, social order (including Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Utopianism); and creating a flawed replacement which will then later be used as justification for final totalitarian takeover. These themes are developed in Protocol 9 and Protocol 12.
hijack existing trojan doctrines, just what a pathocracy does best.
the ongoing never ending, no-one-benefits 'war on terror'. heard of that one lately?

protocols said:
Protocol 3 - Monopoly; Economic Crisis

Protocol 3 discusses the exploitation of the power hierarchy to bring about poverty and hardship. The intention is to further estrange the aristocracy from the working class, and so encourage abuse of power by the aristocracy. This will then set up a class war of hatred. There is a discussion on the use of fake liberal social ideologies to destroy the aristocracy and the middle classes, and to create an economic-slave class: ie, the working class (the 'mob') can be steered to act, in the name of 'freedom'. An economic crisis can be used to precipitate this conflict by throwing large numbers into poverty, whilst highlighting the apparent well-being of the now well-differentiated aristocracy.
d'ya think? never heard anything about the world of multinational mega corporations, and the decemation of the middle classes? or perhaps that is all fiction too?

protocols said:
Protocol 4 - Industry; Cult of Gold

Protocol 4 discusses the destruction of spiritual life, and the corruption of values into materialism. This is to be fueled by the growth of international industry and the purely materialistic profit motive. The world view is impoverished to the point that all actions in society are reduced to a matter of 'economics', whereas spiritual motives or matters of conscience are completely disregarded. This is well illustrated by game theory, a modern highly respected yet entirely materialistic psychopathic model of reality.
starting to recognise anything familiar yet!?
protocols said:
Protocol 5 - Centralization of Government

Protocol 5 describes the cumulative consolidation of all power into a single all-powerful superstate. The document describes how carefully crafted propaganda, corrupting psychology and 'false flag' operations are used to bring ignorance and malcontent. Discord is sown between nations in order that it can then be used as the justification for this transfer of authority to a centralized 'higher' power, with a mandate for 'keeping the peace' by whatever means necessary.

A central idea is to confound and obfuscate the political scene to such an extent that the people are unwilling and unable to participate, and so voluntarily surrender their decision making rights to an authority that is perceived as an 'automatic' protector and benefactor. This results in the increasing regulation of the population by the use of excessive and invasive legislation, which further degrades the people's opportunity and ability for independent personal judgement and decision making.
and what exactly is happening with, say, the emerging Euro-superstate? or the N American union?

protocols said:
Protocol 6 - Economic Manipulation

Protocol 6 describes the use of fiat currency, and the artificial manipulation of the money markets and global stock exchange, in order to steal land and possessions whilst giving the appearance of prosperity. In this way, the aim is to amass huge reservoirs of plundered riches and resources, whilst simultaneously appearing to encourage freedom and entrepreneurialism in the form of the 'free market' economy.

The cost of living will be gradually increased, and always blamed upon the influences such as the decline in agriculture, whilst at the same time, the very skills that the people need to look after themselves and produce their own food will be erased, resulting in an increased dependency and indebtedness.
well... duh!

protocols said:
Protocol 7 - Armaments

Protocol 7 describes the increase of armaments among national armed forces, the police force, and the general population. This is acheived by the instigation of hostilities, violence and warfare, via manipulation of public opinions on one side or another. It can be prolonged and agravated by the simultaneous support of both sides of a conflict. [note: find a source to ref here, re: Zionist WWII funding of Nazis]

As well as conventional warfare, the document also describes the use of terrorism as a means of manufacturing a threat, instigating violence, and justifying increased armaments.
to be totally blunt...
protocols said:
Protocol 8 - Law and Judiciary

Protocol 8 discusses the various ways of undermining the rule of law. The main concept is that the field of law will become artificially isolated from general life. All people within the legal system will be required to receive particular exclusive training which psychologically undermines their conscience and their thinking processes, so that the entire judicial system is run by a stifling and inhuman set of rules that, although appearing to express exalted moral principles, are actually violently draconian, brutish and oppressive.

The structure and legislation needed to achieve this will be gained by putting into positions of authority, only people who adhere to deviant way of thinking (psychopaths) - to whom the only concern is money, profitability and economics. In this way, the rule of law and justice is replaced by the rule of money and brute force.

"Around us again will be a whole constellation of bankers, industrialists, capitalists and - the main thing - millionaires, because in substance everything will be settled by the question of figures."
... if you can't see ANYTHING you recognise...
protocols said:
Protocol 9 - False Education; Terrorism

Protocol 9 discusses the power of manipulating public opinion in order to conceal concepts or arguments, and also to give the illusion of freedom of thought.

Protocol 9 also discusses the use of anti-semitism as an indispensable propaganda tool, again for the purpose of manipulating public opinion, and public perception of possibilities:

"Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only pro forma at our discretion and by our direction, for their anti-semitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren".

This is not elaborated on further here, but it extends the concepts in Protocol 12 involving a 'manufactured dissent' which is actually substance-less, but gives the false impression of a concrete third party, either as a threat, or as a counterpoint-argument to give the illusion of balanced discussion.

A significant concept in Protocol 9 is that of mal-educating the people into a blind alley from which they are unable to see or reason about the real world, because they have been stripped of the facility to do so. This is done via removing certain concepts from the language, or inappropriately cross-referencing them in order to reinforce incorrect associations. This is akin to George Orwell's 'Nineteen Eighty-Four' in which one method of curtailing the people's ability to think about a given subject or concept, was to gradually remove any vocabulary reference to that concept from the language, in this way the people could not speak about something as there was no word to use; and because of the way in which human thought processes are structured by language, the brain actually becomes incapable of even contemplating this 'un-utterable' concept.
... in this little lot...
protocols said:
Protocol 10 - Politics of Appearances

Protocol 10 has as a central theme, the reduction of politics to a 'circus', based entirely on showy personalities rather than on anything of substance. Underneath this ego-driven charade of popularity contest, the real political issues are adjusted unseen and unexplained. In this way issues such as taxation or freedom of speech are manipulated, and the people's lives are ever more restricted without them becoming aware of how or why this has happened. Existing political structures will be replaced by much more restrictive hierarchies, based on a single figurehead president, who is elected entirely based on personality. This 'personality' who will be entirely lacking in real character can then be easily manipulated from behind the scenes, or overthrown in a 'personality coup d'etat'. In this way the entire body of political power can then be taken over at a stroke because all the groundwork has already been done to create a structure with this specific vulnerability.
... then you might as well...
protocols said:
Protocol 11 - The New Constitution

Protocol 11 discusses the installation of the new constitution which, although everyone has the right to vote, blatantly ignores the will of the people, demonstrating both its contempt, and also its absolute power over them. It also continuously dangles the 'carrot' of empty promises of returning the people's liberties, the removal of which are always justified as 'emergency measures'.
... just go back to sleep...
protocols said:
Protocol 12 - Control of the Press
Protocol 12 is all about the concept of 'freedom'. It states the importance of maintaining the illusion of freedom, whilst in actuality freedom is constricted and perverted down into the following conversive definition:

"Freedom is the right to do what the law allows"

when of course 'the law' has already been subverted by the deviant aims of the elite, and subsumed into a pathological process.

This is done in many ways but by far the most significant of these is a complete control of the press. The illusion of a free press is maintained by the creation of a 'manufactured opposition', which has two effects: firstly it reassures the people that they are free, secondly it acts as a vacuum cleaner operation on any potential dissent by subsuming it into a manufactured and wholly impotent counter-movement, and thereby erasing any potential threat from dissidents by deflecting all their energy into irrelevant 'keep busy' activities.

The press is controlled by various strategies: News reporting is to be restricted so that all news articles are sourced through a small number of 'news agencies' that can act as a bottleneck from which any censorship is exercised; Not only news, but all publications shall be subject to restraints - the pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification.

Once complete control of the press is instated it then becomes considerably easier to manipulate public intellect and opinion to any desired result, and to stifle genuine investigative, free-thinking discourse both in public life, and then also in the people's private discussions and opinions. [note: more to come here - eg 'straw man' argument, placed counter arguments, dissent as treason, etc)
... because SURELY...
protocols said:
Protocol 13 - Bread and Circuses

Protocol 13 discusses two main needs of the people which, if externally fulfilled, will keep the people fully occupied, and so ineffective in any actions against the elite. These two needs are the need to be fed and the need to be entertained, hence 'bread and circuses'.

The people can be kept entertained via the completely controlled media - through which all kinds of valueless pasttimes are 'sold' to the people. This includes endless time-wasting activities in the form of sports, games, the arts, and so-called 'peoples palaces'. This can be seen today in the significant rise in the propagation of television (including televised sports) and videogames.

For those people who are more 'troublesome' to the elite, because they seek to take concrete positive action in the political or social sphere, they can be similarly distracted on a different level, by the deliberate instigation of all kinds of pointless political and social debate, on all kinds of 'manufactured' issues, and orchestrated by carefully planted 'orators' - the agenda of which is always carefully steered so that it does not encroach on anything of material importance regarding the elite, and so it renders these activists impotent, also. It turns the process of discussion (a means to achieve a common consensus) into debate (a sport with no result other than a winner and a loser). It is significant that the accepted meaning of these words 'discussion' and 'debate' have degraded to the point where they become almost synonymous in modern usage.
...it can't POSSIBLY get any more blatant and obvious than this, it hardly takes a genius. Stuff it, what's the point? if you can't see what's staring you in the face, or the boat that's dropping on you from the sky (!) then there is, as someone said to me, Bob Hope or no hope and Bob's left town.
 
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anart said:
I've no idea how you can say that considering the state of controlled opposition and the controlled press worldwide at this point.
Concepts as general as controlled opposition were featured in many literary works long before the Protocols. Maurice Joly's Dialogues is one of the better known instances, but this idea has been traced back to the literary works of Alexander Dumas. I was specifically referring to those concepts which distinguish the Protocols from similar literary fictions. Have you ever read any of the other works from which the Protocols were clearly cribbed? For instance, Joly's Dialogues? I've read a few of the earlier ones, and the Protocols as well. If we focus on the features which set the Protocols apart from the ones which it was modelled after, Maurice Joly's Dialogues presents a more accurate future social model with wild deficit spending. That sounds like what we've got today. The Protocols are quite different. They were written in an effort to smear social revolutionary movements of that time and so they present a labor theory of value and argue that when the Elders are in control everything will be managed carefully with an awareness of labor as the source of all value and that the ordinary laborer will be kept contented by insuring that their day-to-day needs are all met. That has zero resemblance to anything which has come out of Washington since Reagan took office.
 
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ScioAgapeOmnis said:
The exact details are irrelevant.
If one is going to take such a view, then Maurice Joly's DIALOGUES are a better place to look. The generalities which people sometimes like to draw from the Protocols are in Joly's work as well. But Joly's depiction of the future is more consistent with what exists today.
 
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sleepyvinny said:
...it can't POSSIBLY get any more blatant and obvious than this, it hardly takes a genius. Stuff it, what's the point? if you can't see what's staring you in the face, or the boat that's dropping on you from the sky (!) then there is, as someone said to me, Bob Hope or no hope and Bob's left town.
All of the generalities in those statements appear as well in Joly's DIALOGUES. At the same time one should note that some of the points featured are really just general social analysis cast in conspiratorial language. The fact that the world economy has steadily merged as capital has expanded was an unavoidable reality of the pursuit of economic expansion and anyone who objectively analyzed the economic trends in the 19th century could predict that the world economy would steadily close itself together. No conspiracy could ever bring that about, although people may form conspiracies to take advantage of what is an obvious economic trend. But all of the stuff about a world economy is brought up in Joly's Dialogues.

Are you familiar with the fact that the Protocols place capital taxes at the center of their social model? The view of society taken in the Protocols is that once the Elders gain power it will be necessary to place strong tax burdens on the rich to make sure that they can't become independently powerful while using the funds gained to provide social services for the ordinary laborer so that he never feels discontented. That has no resemblance to what has been followed for 27 years now by Washington. But that is a very specific item which distinguishes the Protocols from the Dialogues. In the Dialogues it is asserted that the government may just endlessly print more money like there's no tomorrow. The Protocols do not take that view. So which is closer to our reality?
 
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PatrickSMcNally said:
The Protocols are quite different. They were written in an effort to smear social revolutionary movements of that time and so they present a labor theory of value and argue that when the Elders are in control everything will be managed carefully with an awareness of labor as the source of all value and that the ordinary laborer will be kept contented by insuring that their day-to-day needs are all met. That has zero resemblance to anything which has come out of Washington since Reagan took office.
While your understanding of other works may be sufficient, your understanding of the protocols and their relevance to today is severely lacking. They are a blueprint for the entire 20th Century. Douglas Reed's work Controversy of Zion sums this up the best. I am including a large excerpt from Reed's chapter, titled The Protocols. There are a few spots where I have included present-day relevance in parentheses.

Reed said:
pg. 210

This one chapter was published in England and America as "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"; I cannot learn whether this was the original chapter heading or whether it was provided during translation. No proof is given that the document is what it purports to be, a minute of a secret meeting of Jewish "Elders". In that respect, therefore, it is valueless."

In every other respect it is of inestimable importance, for it is shown by the conclusive test (that of subsequent events) to be an authentic document of the world-conspiracy first disclosed by Weishaupt's papers. Many other documents in the same series had followed that first revelation, as I have shown, but this one transcends all of them. The others were fragmentary and gave glimpses; this one gives the entire picture of the conspiracy, motive, method and objective. It adds nothing new to what had been revealed in parts (save for the unproven, attribution to Jewish elders themselves), but it puts all the parts in place and exposes the whole. It accurately depicts all that has come about in the fifty years since it was published, and what clearly will follow in the next fifty years unless in that time the force which the conspiracy has generated produces the counter-force.

It is informed by a mass of knowledge (particularly of human weaknesses) which can only have sprung from the accumulated experience and continuing study of centuries, or of ages. It is written in a tone of lofty superiority, as by beings perched on some Olympian pinnacle of sardonic and ancient wisdom, and of mocking scorn for the writhing masses far below ("the mob" . . . "alcoholized animals" . . . "cattle" . . . "bloodthirsty beasts") who vainly struggle to elude the "nippers" which are closing on them; these nippers are "the power of gold" and the brute force of the mob, incited to destroy its only protectors and consequently itself.

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The state of affairs thus brought about after 1920, and continuing today, was foretold by the Protocols in 1905: "Through the press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade . . . The principal factor for success in the political" (field) " is the secrecy of its undertaking; the word should not agree with the deeds of the diplomat. . . We must compel the governments . . . to take action in the direction favoured by our widely-conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly prompted by us through the means of that so-called 'Great Power', the press, which, with a few exceptions that may be disregarded, is already entirely in our hands. . . We shall deal with the press in the following way: . . . we shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb; we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? . . . No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification . . . We shall have a sure triumph over our opponents since they will not have at their disposition organs of the press in which they can give full and final expression to their views owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press . . ."

Such is the history of the Protocols thus far. Their attribution to Jewish "Elders" is unsupported and should be rejected, without prejudice to any other evidence about Jewish leadership of the world-revolution as such. The Jewish attack on them was bent, not on exculpating Jewry, but on stopping the publication on the plea that it was "agitating the public mind without occasion or justification". The arguments advanced were bogus; they were that the Protocols closely resembled several earlier publications and thus were "plagiaries" or "forgeries", whereas what this in truth showed was the obvious thing: that they were part of the continuing literature of the conspiracy. They might equally well be the product of non-Jewish or of anti-Jewish revolutionaries, and that is of secondary importance. What they proved is that the organization first revealed by Weishaupt's documents was in existence 120 years later, and was still using the methods and pursuing the aim then exposed; and when they were published in English the Bolshevik revolution had given the proof.

[...]

The Protocols, speaking of control of published information, say: "Not a single announcement will reach the public without our control. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them". That was not the situation in 1905, or in Lord Sydenham's day, or in 1926, when I became a journalist, but it was developing and today is the situation. The stream of "news" which pours into the public mind through the newspapers comes from a few agencies, as if from half a dozen taps. Any hand that can control those valves can control "the news", and the reader may observe for himself the filtered form in which the news reaches him. As to the editorial views, based on this supply of news, the transformation that has been brought about may be comprehended by referring to the impartially critical articles published in The Times, Morning Post, Spectator, Dearborn Independent and thousands of other journals some twenty-five years ago. This could not happen today. The subjugation of the press has been accomplished as the Protocols foretold, and by the accident of my generation and calling I saw it come about.

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The instrument to be used for the destruction of the Christian nation-states and their religion is "the mob". The word is used throughout with searing contempt to denote the masses, (who in public are flattered by being called "the people"). "Men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorization . . . The might of a mob is blind, senseless and unreasoning force ever at the mercy of a suggestion from any side". From this the argument is developed that "an absolute despotism" is necessary to govern "the mob", which is "a savage", and that "our State" will employ "the terror which tends to produce blind submission". The "literal fulfillment" of these precepts in communized Russia must be obvious to all today).

This "absolute despotism" is to be vested in the international super-State at the end of the road. In the meanwhile regional puppet-despots are depicted as essential to the process of breaking down the structure of states and the defences of peoples: "From the premier-dictators of the present day the peoples suffer patiently and bear such abuses as for the 1east of them they would have beheaded twenty kings. What is the explanation . . .? It is explained by the fact that these dictators whisper to the peoples through their agents that through these abuses the are inflicting injury on the States with the highest purpose - to secure the welfare of the peoples, the international brotherhood of them all, their solidarity and equality of rights. Naturally they do not tell the peoples that this unification must be accomplished only under our sovereign rule".

This passage is of especial interest. The term "premier-dictator" would not generally have been understood in 1905, when the peoples of the West believed their elected representatives to express and depend on their approval. However, it became applicable during the First and Second World Wars, when American presidents and British prime ministers made themselves, in fact, "premier-dictators" and used emergency powers in the name of "the welfare of peoples. . . international brotherhood . . . equality of rights". Moreover, these premier-dictators, in both wars, did tell the peoples that the ultimate end of all this would be "unification" under a world government of some kind. The question, who would govern this world government, was one which never received straightforward answer; so much else of the Protocols has been fulfilled that their assertion that it would be the instrument of the conspiracy for governing the world "by violence and terrorization" deserves much thought.

The especial characteristic of the two 20th Century wars is the disappointment which each brought to the peoples who appeared to be victorious. "Uncanny knowledge", therefore, again seems to have inspired the statement, made in 1905 or earlier, "Ever since that time" (the French Revolution) "we have been leading the peoples from one disenchantment to another", followed later by this: "By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquillity, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace; but. we will not give them peace until they openly acknowledge our international Super-Government, and with submissiveness". The words, written before 1905, seem accurately to depict the course of the 20th Century.

Again, the document says "it is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains". This very phrase, of 1905 or earlier, was made the chief slogan, or apparent moral principle, proclaimed by the political leaders of America and Britain in both world wars, and in this case the difference between "the word" and "the deed" of "the diplomat" has been shown by results. The chief result of the First War was to establish revolutionary-Zionism and revolutionary-Communism as new forces in international affairs, the first with a promised "homeland" and the second with a resident State. The chief result of the Second War was that further "territorial gains" accrued to, and only to, Zionism and Communism; Zionism received its resident State and Communism received half of Europe. The "deadly accuracy" (Lord Sydenham's words) of the Protocol's forecasts seems apparent in this case, where a specious phrase used in the Protocols of 1905 became the daily language of American presidents and British prime ministers in 1914-1918 and 1939-1945.

The reason why the authors of the Protocols held this slogan to be so important, in beguiling the peoples, is also explained. If the nations embroiled in wars are denied "territorial gains", the only victors will then be "our international agentur. . . our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves". To bring about this state of affairs compliant politicians are needed, and of them the Protocols say: "The administrators whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world".

The reader may judge for himself whether this description fits some of "the administrators" of the West in the last five decades; the test is their attitude towards Zionism, the world-revolution and world-government, and subsequent chapters will offer information in these three respects. But "deadly accuracy" appears to reside even more in the allusion to "advisers".

Here again is "uncanny knowledge", displayed more than fifty years ago. In 1905 the non-elected but powerful "adviser" was publicly unknown. True, the enlightened few, men like Disraeli, knew that "the world is governed by very different persons from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes", but to the general public the passage would have been meaningless.

In the First and Second World Wars, however, the non-elected, unofficial but imperious "adviser" became a familiar public figure. He emerged into the open (under "emergency powers") and became known to and was passively accepted by the public masses; possibly the contempt which the Protocols display for "the mob" was justified by this submission to behind-the-scenes rule even when it was openly exercized. In the United States, for instance, "advisers on Jewish affairs" became resident at the White House and at the headquarters of American armies of occupation. One financier (who public1y recommended drastic measures for "ruling the affairs of the world") was adviser to so many presidents that he was permanently dubbed "Elder Statesman" by the press, and visiting prime ministers from England also repaired to him as if to a supreme seat of authority.

The Protocols foretold this regime of the "advisers" when none understood what was meant and few would have credited that they would openly appear in the high places.

The Protocols repeatedly affirm that the first objective is the destruction of the existing ruling class ("the aristocracy", the term employed, was still applicable in 1905) and the seizure of property through the incitement of the insensate, brutish "mob".

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That the Protocols reveal the common source of inspiration of Zionism and Communism is shown by significant parallels that can be drawn between the two chief methods laid down in them and the chief methods pursued by Dr. Herzl and Karl Marx:

The Protocols repeatedly lay emphasis on the incitement of "the mob" against the ruling class as the most effective means of destroying States and nations and achieving world dominion. Dr. Herzl, as was shown in the preceding chapter, used precisely this method to gain the ear of European rulers.

Next, Karl Marx. The Protocols say, "The aristocracy of the peoples, as a political force, is dead. . . but as landed proprietors they can still be harmful to us from the fact that they are self-sufficing in the resources upon which they live. It is essential therefore for us at whatever cost to deprive them of their land. . . At the same time we must intensively patronize trade and industry . . . what we want is that industry should drain off from the land both labour and capital and by means of speculation transfer into our hands all the money of the world.. ..."

Karl Marx in his Communist Manifesto exactly followed this formula. True he declared that Communism might be summed up in one sentence, "abolition of private property", but subsequently he qualified this dictum by restricting actual confiscation to land and implying that other types of private property were to remain intact. (In the later Marxist event, of course, all private property was confiscated, but I speak here of the strict parallel between the strategy laid down before the event alike by the Protocols and Marx).

A passage of particular interest in the present, though it was written before 1905, says, "Nowadays if any States raise a protest against us, it is only proforma at our discretion and by our direction, for their anti-semitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren". A distinctive feature of our era is the way the charge of "anti-semitism" is continually transferred from one country to another, the country so accused becoming automatically the specified enemy in the next war. This passage might cause the prudent to turn a skeptical eye on today's periodical reports of sudden "anti-semitic" turns in communized Russia, or elsewhere. (the ADL has become particularly adept at this tactic)

The resemblance to Weishaupt's documents is very strong in the passages which relate to the infiltration of public departments, professions and parties, for instance: "It is from us that the all-engulfing terror proceeds. We have in our service persons of all opinions, of all doctrines, restorating monarchists, demagogues, socialists, communists, and utopian dreamers of every kind. We have harnessed them all to the task: each one of them on his own account is boring away at the last remnants of authority, is striving to overthrow all established form of order. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquillity, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace; but we will not give them peace until they openly acknowledge our international Super-Government, and with submissiveness".

The allusions to the permeation of universities in particular, and of education in general, also spring directly from Weishaupt, or from whatever earlier source he received them: ". . . We shall emasculate the universities . . . Their officials and professors will be prepared for their business by detailed secret programmes of action from which they will not with immunity diverge, not by one iotaFinkelstein, W. Churchill). They will be appointed with especial precaution, and will be so placed as to be wholly dependent upon the Government". This secret permeation of universities (which was successful in the German ones in Weishaupt's day, as his documents show) was very largely effective in our generation. The two British government officials who after their flight to Moscow were paraded before the international press in 1956 to state that they had been captured by Communism at their universities, were typical products of this method, described by the Protocols early in this century and by Weishaupt in 1787.

Weishaupt's documents speak of Freemasonry as the best "cover" to be used by the agents of the conspiracy. The Protocols allot the function of "cover" to "Liberalism": "When we introduced into the State organism the poison of Liberalism its whole political complexion underwent a change. States have been seized with a mortal illness, blood-poisoning. All that remains is to await the end of their death agony".

The term "utopian dreamers", used more than once, is applied to Liberals, and its original source probably resides in the Old Testamentary allusion to "dreamers of dreams" with "false prophets", are to be put to death. The end of Liberalism, therefore, would be apparent to the student even if the Protocols did not specify it: "We shall root out liberalism from the important strategic posts of our government on which depends the training of subordinates for our State structure".

The "Big Brother" regimes of our century, are accurately foretold in the passage, "Our government will have the appearance of a patriarchal paternal guardianship on the part of our ruler".

Republicanism, too, is to be a "cover" for the conspiracy. The Protocols are especially contemptuous of republicanism, in which (and in liberalism) they see the weapon of self-destruction forged out of "the mob": ". . . then it was that the era of republics became possible of realization; and then it was that we replaced the ruler by a caricature of a government, by a president, taken from the mob, from the midst of our puppet creatures, our slaves. This was the foundation of the mine which we have laid under the peoples".

Then the unknown scribes of some time before 1905 describe the position to which American presidents have been reduced in our century. The passage begins, "In the near future we shall establish the responsibility of presidents". This, as the sequence shows, means personal responsibility, as distinct from responsibility curbed by constitutional controls; the president is to become one of the "premier-dictators" earlier foreseen, whose function is to be to break down the constitutional defences of states and thus prepare "unification under our sovereign rule".

During the First and Second World Wars the American presidents did in fact become "premier-dictators" in this sense, claiming that "the emergency" and the need for "victory" dictated this seizure of powers of personal responsibility; powers which would be restored to "the people" when "the emergency" was past. Readers of sufficient years will recall how inconceivable this appeared before it happened and how passively it was accepted in the event. The passage then continues:

"The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands. . . Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal in case of need. . . It is easy to understand that in these conditions the key of the shrine will lie in our hands. and that no one outside ourselves will any longer direct the force of legislation. . . The president will, at our discretion, interpret the sense of such of the existing laws as admit of various interpretation; he will further annul them when we indicate to him the necessity to do so, besides this, he will have the right to propose temporary laws, and even new departures in the government constitutional working, the pretext both for the one and the other being the requirements for the supreme welfare of the state. By such measures we shall obtain the power of destroying little by little, step by step, all that at the outset when we enter on our rights, we are compelled to introduce into the constitutions of states to prepare for the transition to an imperceptible abolition of every kind of constitution, and then the time is come to turn every government into our despotism".

This forecast of 1905 or earlier particularly deserves Lord Sydenham's tribute of "deadly accuracy". American presidents in the two wars of this century have acted as here shown. They did take the right of declaring and making war, and it has been used at least once (in Korea) since the Second World War ended; any attempt in Congress or outside to deprive them of this power, or curb them in the use of it meets with violently hostile attack.

So the Protocols continue. The peoples, on their progress "from one disenchantment to another", will not be allowed "a breathing-space". Any country "which dares to oppose us" must be met with war, and any collective opposition with "universal war"(If you're not with us, you're against us). The peoples will not be allowed "to contend with sedition" (here is the key to the furious attacks of the 1790's, 1920 and today on all demands for "investigation", "Witch-hunting", "McCarthyism" and the like). In the Super-State to come the obligation will fall on members of one family to denounce dissident s within the family circle (the Old Testamentary dispensation earlier mentioned). The "complete wrecking of the Christian religion" will not be long delayed. The peoples will be kept distracted by trivial amusements ("people's palaces") from becoming troublesome and asking questions. History will be rewritten for their delusion (another precept since fulfilled in communized Russia), for "we shall erase from the memory of men all facts of previous centuries which are undesirable to us, and leave only those which depict all the errors of the national governments". "All the wheels of the machinery of all States go by the force of the engine, which is in our hands, and that engine of the machinery of States is Gold".

And the end of it all: "What we have to get at is that there should be in all the States of the world, beside ourselves, only the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interests, police and soldiers. . . The recognition of our despot. . . will come when the peoples, utterly wearied by the irregularities and incompetence. . . of their rulers, will clamor: 'Away with them and give us one king over all the earth who will unite us and annihilate the causes of discords, frontiers, nationalities, religions, State debts, who will give us peace and quiet, which we cannot find under our rulers and representatives' ".

In two or three of these passages I have substituted "people" or "masses" for "Goyim ", because the use of that word relates to the unproven assertion contained in the book's title, and I do not want to confuse the issues; evidence about the identity of the authors of the conspiracy must be sought elsewhere than in an unsupported allegation. The authors may have been Jewish, non-Jewish or anti-Jewish. That is immaterial. When it was published this work was the typescript of a drama which had not been performed; today it has been running for fifty years and its title is The Twentieth Century. The characters depicted in it move on our contemporary stage, play the parts foretold and produce the events foreseen.

Only the denouement remains, fiasco or fulfillment. It is a grandiose plan, and in my estimation cannot succeed. But it has existed for at least 180 years and probably for much longer, and the Protocols provided one more proof in a chain of proofs that has since been greatly lengthened. The conspiracy for world dominion through a world slave state exists and cannot at this stage be abruptly checked or broken off; of the momentum which it has acquired it now must go on to fulfillment or failure. Either will be destructive for a time, and hard for those of the time in which the dénouement comes.
 
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beau said:
They are a blueprint for the entire 20th Century.
No, they really are not. The Protocols do, of course, carry a number of vague predictions related to events which occurred in the first half of the 20th century and which were fairly easy to predict. For example, World War I. Anyone seriously familiar with the geo-politics of Europe could have predicted by the late 19th century that Europe was heading towards another major war. The defeat of Napoleon in 1815 at Waterloo had created an environment of stability which lasted until Bismarck reunified Germany. It wasn't hard to see from there on that new rivalries were forming that would create a giant war in the future. Also, the Russian revolution. By the late 19th century we'd seen the English, American and French revolutions, as well as a whole series of derivations from these major revolutions. It was easy to predict that some type of revolution would eventually occur in Russia as well. Another point is the rise of both the United States of America and Japan to world power status. The Protocols has some comments which seem to predict this, but all of the information needed for making such a prediction was available at the close of the 19th century. Anyone who followed events could have predicted that after the Battle of Wounded Knee in 1890, which finished off the American Indian, the USA would now begin turning abroad for further expansion, as indeed it did in 1898 with the Spanish-American War. Forecasting such events shows that the intelligence agencies which assembled the Protocols were informed of world events, but that's not surprising.

However when we move away from events that were near enough to the time when the Protocols were manufactured to be predictable, we find that they're way offbase.

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Protocol 23: ... We shall re-establish small master production which will mean laying a mine under the private capital of manufacturers. This is indispensable also for the reason that manufacturers on the grand scale often move, though not always consciously, the thoughts of the masses in directions against the government. A people of small masters knows nothing of unemployment and this binds him closely with existing order and consequently with the firmness of authority. Unemployment is a most perilous thing for a government. For us its part will have been played out the moment authority is transferred into our hands...
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So the alleged Learned Elders of Zion are saying that they wish to break up big business and establish a small business economy with full employment for everyone so that people will be conservatively drawn to supporting the existing social order. What does this have to do with the reality of the last 3 decades? Nothing. This is not just a small technical point open to easy alteration. This concept is at the core of the future economic order which the Elders are projecting. If we throw something like this out then we really are not following any of the specifics of the Protocols but are just citing generalities, and those are already contained in Joly's DIALOGUES.
 
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Hello, Patrick, I find it interesting that you consistently look for discrepancies in any of the information presented here to 'disprove' things - in a very legalistic and surprisingly illogical manner - very much 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' - even when the dirty bathwater is not dirty, if you follow my meaning.

You've done this in at least two threads that I've read. Why is that? In this rather ridiculous world, the truth of any matter is rarely presented without obfuscation and distraction, yet you seem on a crusade to prove that if one part of any work may be (not is - but 'may be') false, then it is all rubbish. I would imagine this a rather fruitless way to find the truth of any situation or topic, and, thus, find it quite interesting that you have consistently done this. Again, and apologies if this seems 'rude', but why is that?
 
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anart said:
Hello, Patrick, I find it interesting that you consistently look for discrepancies in any of the information presented here to 'disprove' things - in a very legalistic and surprisingly illogical manner - very much 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' - even when the dirty bathwater is not dirty, if you follow my meaning.
That's true, I've noticed it myself. It amounts to a certain combination of your inability to grok the crux of the matter, the dynamics, the line of force, while focusing on minor details. You know the old "can't see the forest for the trees" routine? Well, that pretty well describes it.

For example, there is a lot in the early pages of this thread that has already covered things that you are attempting to resurrect. You know the saying "beating a dead horse?"

I don't know if what you are thinking/writing is intentionally misleading, or if it is just a constitution problem of your general make-up. We have encountered several individuals with this same problem and, over time, have come to understand that it is a a typical product of conversive thinking: subconscious selection and substitution of data lead to chronic avoidance of the crux of the matter. Psychologist, Andrzej Lobaczewski addresses this problem as more or less characteristic of the U.S. in recent times, and a predictor of political disaster:

Europeans living in the U.S. today are struck by the similarity [of the social and political] phenomena and the ones dominating Europe at the times of their youth. The emotionalism dominating individual, collective and political life, as well as the subconscious selection and substitution of data in reasoning, are impoverishing the development of a psychological world-view and leading to individual and national egotism. The mania for taking offense at the drop of a hat provokes constant retaliation, taking advantage of hyper-irritability and hypo-criticality on the part of others. This can be considered analogous to the European dueling mania of those times.

People fortunate enough to achieve a position higher than someone else are contemptuous of their supposed inferiors in a way highly reminiscent of czarist Russian customs. Turn-of-the-century Freudian psychology finds fertile soil in this country because of the similarity in social and psychological conditions.

America’s psychological recession drags in its wake an impaired socio-professional adaptation of this country’s people, leading to a waste of human talent and an involution of societal structure. If we were to calculate this country’s adaptation correlation index, as suggested in the prior chapter, it would probably be lower than the great majority of the free and civilized nations of this world, and possibly lower than some countries which have lost their freedom. A highly talented individual in this country finds it ever more difficult to fight his way through to his right to self-realization and a socially creative position. Universities, politics, and even some business areas ever more frequently demonstrate an united front of relatively untalented persons. The word “overeducated” is heard more and more often. Such “overqualified” individuals finally hide out in some foundation laboratory where they are allowed to earn the Nobel prize. In the meantime, the country as whole suffers due to a deficit in the inspirational role of highly gifted individuals.

As a result, America is stifling progress in all areas of life, from culture to technology and economics, not excluding political incompetence. When linked to other deficiencies, an egotist’s incapability of understanding other people and nations leads to political error and the scapegoating of outsiders. Slamming the brakes on the evolution of political structures and social institutions increases both administrative inertia and discontent on the part of its victims.
As for an exact description of your identifiable thinking processes, and what could have caused them:

Lobaczewski said:
Reversive blockade: Emphatically insisting upon something which is the opposite of the truth blocks the average person’s mind from perceiving the truth. In accordance with the dictates of healthy common sense, he starts searching for meaning in the “golden mean” between the truth and its opposite, winding up with some satisfactory counterfeit.

People who think like this do not realize that this was precisely the intent of the person who subjected them to this method. If such a statement is the opposite of a moral truth, at the same time, it simultaneously represents an extreme paramoralism, and bears its peculiar suggestiveness.

We rarely see this method being used by normal people; even if raised by the people who abused it, they usually only indicate its results in the shape of characteristic difficulties in apprehending reality properly. Use of this method can be included within the above-mentioned psychological knowledge developed by psychopaths concerning the weaknesses of human nature and the art of leading others into error. Where they are in rule, this method is used with virtuosity, and to an extent conterminous with their power.

Information selection and substitution: The existence of psychological phenomena known a long time ago to pre-Freudian philosophical students of the subconscious bears repeating. Unconscious psychological processes outstrip conscious reasoning, both in time and in scope, which makes many psychological phenomena possible: including those generally described as conversive, such as subconscious blocking out of conclusions, the selection, and, also, substitution of seemingly uncomfortable premises.

We speak of blocking out conclusions if the inferential process was proper in principle and has almost arrived at a conclusion and final comprehension within the act of internal projection, but becomes stymied by a preceding directive from the subconscious, which considered it inexpedient or disturbing. This is primitive prevention of personality disintegration, which may seem advantageous; however, it also prevents all the advantages which could be derived from consciously elaborated conclusion and reintegration. A conclusion thus rejected remains in our subconscious and in a more unconscious way causes the next blocking and selection of this kind. This can be totally harmful, progressively enslaving a person to his own subconscious, and is often accompanied by a feeling of tension and bitterness.

We speak of selection of premises whenever the feedback goes deeper into the resulting reasoning and from its database thus deletes and represses into the subconscious just that piece of information which was responsible for arriving at the uncomfortable conclusion. Our subconscious then permits further logical reasoning, except that the outcome will be erroneous in direct proportion to the actual significance of the repressed data. An ever-greater number of such repressed information is collected in our subconscious memory. Finally, a kind of habit seems to take over: similar material is treated the same way even if reasoning would have reached an outcome quite advantageous to the person.

The most complex process of this type is substitution of premises thus eliminated by other data, ensuring an ostensibly more comfortable conclusion. Our associative ability rapidly elaborates a new item to replace the removed one, but it is one leading to a comfortable conclusion. This operation takes the most time, and it is unlikely to be exclusively subconscious. Such substitutions are often effected collectively, in certain groups of people, through the use of verbal communication. That is why they best qualify for the moralizing epithet “hypocrisy” than either of the above-mentioned processes.
"Subconscious selection and substitution of premises" is also characteristic of dissociation. You might wish to read Martha Stout's book "They Myth of Sanity" for deeper insight into this problem that is widespread in the U.S. Another good one for you to read is "Trapped In the Mirror," which is about narcissism.

Finally, go back and re-read the rules of the forum and the reason for it's existence. Somehow, I don't think you have grokked the crux of that matter either.
 
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