Psychopath Night - Channel 4 TV (UK)

Re: Psychopath Night (UK TV)

We have a thread on that:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33335.0.html
 
More on this upcoming event tomorrow.

_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2523150/High-flying-lawyer-claims-successful-shes-psychopath.html#comments


I'm a high-flying lawyer on £150,000 per year - and it's all because I'm a psychopath! Woman claims mental condition is secret of her success
30-year-old woman, known as Miss Thomas, is diagnosed psychopath
She admits 'heart has always been darker and colder than most people's'
She can be ruthless, charming, manipulative and dominant
As a result, she has excelled academically and professionally
She believes many others are 'secret psychopaths' like her

By LUCY WATERLOW
PUBLISHED: 13:48, 13 December 2013 | UPDATED: 14:53, 13 December 2013

Psychopaths are defined as ruthless people who suffer from a chronic mental disorder that can manifest in abnormal or violent social behaviour. But one diagnosed psychopath says they're not all violent murderers - they could even be your boss.
She believes people who have the condition like she does are more likely to get ahead in life. Thanks to her manipulative streak, combined with a lack of empathy for others and excessive self-esteem, she's become a high-flying attorney earning £150,000 a year.

The woman, who is in her thirties, has written a book about herself, called Confessions of a Sociopath: A Life Spent Hiding In Plain Sight, under the pen name M.E Thomas.

She will also appear, without being identified, on a Channel 4 show this Saturday - Psychopath Night - that will try to unravel the mystery of this minority, with the help of leading experts.


The programme reveals some familiar faces who are high on the psychopathic scale, including a star of the England football team.

Doctors on the show found Miss Thomas displays many psychopathic traits such as egocentrism, interpersonal dominace, verbal aggression and excessive self-esteem.

She said: 'I think I always knew that I wasn't quite like other people. I've always known that my heart is a little blacker and colder than most people's. During college I recognised that I was a very manipulative cunning person who was unable to connect to anyone on more than a superficial level.'

Diagnosis: Psychologist Dr Eden describes Miss Thomas as a 'successful psychopath'

Miss Thomas admits she has an 'obsession with power and willing to do anything to get ahead' but unlike some psychopaths (many are responsible for about half of serious crimes committed), she's not a murderer or a criminal.
In fact she said: 'You would like me if you met me, I am quite confident about that because I have met a statistically sample size of the population and they were all susceptible to my charms.'
She said she prefers to call herself a 'sociopath' because of the negative connotations of psycho in the popular culture (fuelled by fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter and real life psychopaths such as Ted Bundy).
She admitted: 'Sometimes it feels that I am in the movie Blade Runner and any slip up or indication that I am different will draw suspicion. I do feel a little bit like a misunderstood minority, the only thing that you can sort of hope if you're a sociopath is that you are going to lie well enough and wear the mask well enough and hide in plain sight such that nobody will find out that you're a sociopath.'
She added: 'I may have a disorder, but I am not crazy.'


Dr John F Eden, a psychology professor from Texas A&M University diagnosed Miss Thomas can be described as a 'socialised' or 'successful' psychopath because of her academic and profession achievements.
He said: 'Her presentation in many regards could be considered that of a prototypical psychopathic personality... such as a pronounced lack of empathy, a ruthless and calculating attitude towards social and interpersonal relationships, and a relative immunity to experiencing negative emotions.
'Most notable in Ms. Thomas's clinical presentation … were pronounced elevations on scales tapping antisocial and psychopathic traits (particularly egocentricism and sensation-seeking characteristics), interpersonal dominance, verbal aggression, and excessive self-esteem, as well as very low scores on measures tapping negative affective experiences (e.g., phobias)'


He added: 'Although cognizant that she is "different" from most people she knows in terms of her personality structure, Ms. Thomas does not view herself as "disordered" in the sense of suffering from a form of mental illness per se. Quite the contrary, she seems content with her lifestyle and its current trajectory and rather blasé about many issues and concerns that might cause others some degree of uncertainty or distress. Of course, such attitudes are emblematic of individuals who are highly psychopathic.
'By all accounts Ms. Thomas has thus far experienced relatively few objective (or subjective) negative consequences associated with being highly psychopathic - and in many regards appears to have excelled across various life domains (e.g., academic, occupational). This suggests that one might describe her as a "socialized" or "successful" psychopath.'
Miss Thomas believes there are many other secret psychopaths like her and that they are 'the grease making the world go round'.
She added: 'People sometimes say that we lack remorse or guilt like it's a bad thing. They are sure that remorse and guilt are necessary to being a "good" person. But there is probably no universal, and certainly no objective, morality.'

Lord give me strength! Where to begin? I hope people are paying attention to these turn of events. The attempts to normalize psychopathy has begun in earnest. Have we not said already that psychopaths know that they're different? And that they become aware pretty quickly, of others like themselves in large groups? Ok. Listen to the supremely confident way this FEMALE LAWYER is speaking about manipulating those that she might meet. Still paying attention? I hope so. Next! "Pity those who pity."

"Poor me, (us) I'm in a minority group (like other "minorities" that are picked on) & we're being given a poor rap." So basically, if you get to know her, understand her, (IOW mesmerized, spellbound, duped, suckered) then you might like her & you know, see things her way (worldview change IOW ponerized) & fight for the rights of her minority group, after all, don't we all want to "get ahead" & have "the good life." (whatever that is)

Are you getting concerned yet? I know I am. See the above is drawing you in (trying to) & then doing what psychopaths like her normally do because they really can't help themselves: they'll tell you what they're doing, or what they're going to do. Notice that decades ago when they were planning all their 9/11 stuff, Israel- arab set-ups & poisoning our food supplies & bloody wars & multinational conglomerate madness, the psychopaths in power regularly just came right out & said their plans, in earshot of people that could report it too. Amazing that they actually pulled off many of their NWO plans that they said they were going to, & did we do anything? Yeah, bread & circuses...

Just look at how the phrase "successful psychopath" has been co-opted, all the metaphors about "machines" & "man is asleep" etc should be setting off alarm bells for those who weren't getting it before now, if humanity were to somehow escape the prison you know what would happen right? Well if you don't, you better get to know 'cause you'll be dragged back to your cell quicker than you can scream "human rights!" I hope this shakes you to your core, those wondering what we keep banging on about, "secret psychopaths are the grease that's making the world go round." Says it all.
 
I hear you loud and clear, H-kgge. You've shown the reality clearly. Psychopathy is the new normal - or it will be if this blatant piece of PTB ponerization achieves its aim. The upside is that we can see it. It was always going to happen, and it's gonna get nasty, so we better stick together and do our best to deal with it :cool2:
 
Well, having been working long and hard at spreading awareness of psychopathy, it is very interesting to see the push-back damage control tactic they have taken.

Very, very interesting.
 
Laura said:
Well, having been working long and hard at spreading awareness of psychopathy, it is very interesting to see the push-back damage control tactic they have taken.

Very, very interesting.

Yes. It's proof of the success of the immense effort you, Laura, and certain others, have made and are making. A sort of double-edged reward.
 
The Strawman said:
Laura said:
Well, having been working long and hard at spreading awareness of psychopathy, it is very interesting to see the push-back damage control tactic they have taken.

Very, very interesting.

Yes. It's proof of the success of the immense effort you, Laura, and certain others, have made and are making. A sort of double-edged reward.

When the scientific study of psychopathy, especially of those who are smooth enough never to end up in jail and tend to end up in positions of power and influence, begins to spread, the pathocrats HAVE to do something about it. Lobazcweski said in Political Ponerology that there's a systematic effort to remove material from all libraries/databases about this pathology in all Pathocracies. If that maneuver is no longer as effective, this new tactic seems a pretty obvious response to the threat of the wider general public starting to understand that all standards and systems in our society are heavily influenced by the successful psychopaths in power. It seems, as this knowledge spread, it was just about inevitable to use the media to try to make psychopathic traits "sexy and cool" and insinuate how useful they are for society.
 
I'm posting this for emphasis on my previous post & in direct relation to what transpired earlier in this thread, a little while ago. I just hope others using or on this forum (including all of those "guests", "spiders" etc) can gain some insight into what is, IMO, arguably (one of the main as for me, food & religion, & cyclical catastrophe & "time" are the others that go hand-in-hand) the "topic of topics." I looked around & didn't find this on the forum so here we go:

_http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201305/confessions-sociopath

Confessions of a Sociopath
She's a successful law professor and a Sunday school teacher, with a host of family and friends. But her interpersonal calculus centers on how to manipulate and outmaneuver the many people in her life. Welcome to a world of ruthless cost-benefit analysis, charm, and grandiosity.
By M.E. Thomas

I have never killed anyone, but I have certainly wanted to. I may have a disorder, but I am not crazy. In a world filled with gloomy, mediocre nothings populating a go-nowhere rat race, people are attracted to my exceptionalism like moths to a flame. This is my story.

Once while visiting Washington, D.C., I used an escalator that was closed, and a Metro worker tried to shame me about it.

Him: "Didn't you see the yellow gate?"

Me: "Yellow gate?"

Him: "I just put the gate up, and you were supposed to walk around it!"

Me: [Silence. My face was blank.]

Him: "That's trespassing! It's wrong to trespass! The escalator is closed, you broke the law!"

Me: [I stare at him silently.]

Him: [Visibly rattled by my lack of reaction] "Well, next time, you don't trespass, okay?"

It was not okay. In explaining their horrible actions, people often say that they "just snapped." I know that feeling. I stood there for a moment, letting my rage reach that decision-making part of my brain, and I suddenly became filled with a sense of calm purpose. I blinked my eyes and set my jaw. I started following him. Adrenaline started flowing; my mouth tasted metallic. I fought to keep my peripheral vision in focus, hyperaware of everything around me, trying to predict the movement of the crowd. I was hoping that he would walk into a deserted hallway where I would find him alone. I felt so sure of myself, so focused on this one thing I had to do. An image sprang to mind: my hands wrapped around his neck, my thumbs digging deep into his throat, his life slipping away under my unrelenting grasp. How right that would feel. But I know I had been caught in a megalomaniacal fantasy. And in the end it didn't matter; I lost sight of him.

I Am a Sociopath

Remorse is alien to me. I have a penchant for deceit. I am generally free of entangling and irrational emotions. I am strategic and canny, intelligent and confident, but I also struggle to react appropriately to other people's confusing and emotion-driven social cues.

I was not a victim of child abuse, and I am not a murderer or a criminal. I have never skulked behind prison walls; I prefer mine to be covered in ivy. I am an accomplished attorney and law professor, a well-respected young academic who regularly writes for law journals and advances legal theories. I donate 10 percent of my income to charity and teach Sunday school for the Mormon Church. I have a close circle of family and friends whom I love and who very much love me. Does this sound like you? Recent estimates say that one in every 25 people is a sociopath. But you're not a serial killer, never imprisoned? Most of us aren't. Only 20 percent of male and female prison inmates are sociopaths, although we are probably responsible for about half of all serious crimes committed. Nor are most sociopaths incarcerated. In fact, the silent majority of sociopaths live freely and anonymously, holding down jobs, getting married, having children. We are legion and diverse.

You would like me if you met me. I have the kind of smile that is common among television show characters and rare in real life, perfect in its sparkly teeth dimensions and ability to express pleasant invitation. I'm the sort of date you would love to take to your ex's wedding—fun, exciting, the perfect office escort. And I'm just the right amount of successful so that your parents would be thrilled if you brought me home.

Perhaps the most noticeable aspect of my confidence is the way I sustain eye contact. Some people have called it the "predator stare." Sociopaths are unfazed by uninterrupted eye contact. Our failure to look away politely is also perceived as being aggressive or seductive. It can throw people off balance, but often in an exciting way that imitates the unsettling feeling of infatuation. Do you ever find yourself using charm and confidence to get people to do things for you that they otherwise wouldn't? Some might call it manipulation, but I like to think I'm using what God gave me.

I was a perceptive child, but I couldn't relate to people beyond amusing them, which was just another way for me to make them do what or behave how I wanted them to. I didn't like to be touched and I rejected affection. The only physical contact I sought usually entailed violence. The father of a friend in grade school had to pull me aside and sternly ask me to stop beating his daughter. She was a skinny, stringy thing with a goofy laugh, as if she were asking to be slapped. I didn't know that I was doing something bad. It didn't even occur to me that it would hurt her or that she might not like it.

A Chaotic Breeding Ground

I was the middle child in a family with a violent father and an indifferent, sometimes hysterical, mother. I loathed my father. He was phenomenally unreliable as a breadwinner, and we often came home to find the power shut off because we were months behind in our electricity bill. He spent thousands of dollars on expensive hobbies, while we were bringing oranges from our backyard to school for lunch. The first recurring dream I can remember was about killing him with my bare hands. There was something thrilling about the violence of it, smashing a door into his head repeatedly, smirking as he fell motionless to the floor.

I didn't mind arguing with him. I made it a point not to back down from our confrontations. Once in my early teens, we argued over the meaning of a movie we had watched. I told him, "You believe what you want," then left him. I slipped into the bathroom at the top of the stairs, shutting and locking the door. I knew he hated that phrase (my mother had used it before), and that my repetition of it presented the specter of another generation of women in his house who refused to respect or appreciate him, and instead despised him. I also knew that he hated locked doors. I knew these things would damage him, which is what I wanted.

"Open up! Open up!" He knocked a hole in the door, and I could see that his hand was bloody and swollen. I wasn't concerned about his hand, and I wasn't glad that he was hurt either, because I knew that it gave him satisfaction to be stricken by such passion that he could disregard his own pain and suffering. He kept working at the jagged hole until it was big enough for him to stick his face through; he was smiling so widely that his teeth showed.

My parents ignored my blatant and awkward attempts to manipulate, deceive, and inveigle others. They neglected to notice that I associated with childhood acquaintances without really forming connections, never seeing them as anything more than moving objects. I lied all the time. I also stole things, but more often I would just trick kids into giving them to me. I envisioned the people in my life as robots that turned off when I wasn't directly interacting with them. I snuck into people's homes and rearranged their belongings. I broke things, burned things, and bruised people.

I did the minimum necessary to insinuate myself into everyone's good graces so I could get what I needed: food when my family's pantry was empty, rides home or to activities if my parents were MIA, invitations to parties, and the one thing I craved most, the fear I instilled in others. I knew I was the one in power.


Aggression, risk taking, and a lack of concern for one's own health, or that of others, are hallmarks of sociopathy. When I was 8, I almost drowned in the ocean. My mother said that when the lifeguard fished me out of the water and breathed life into me, my first utterances were gasps of laughter. I learned that death could come at any moment, but I never developed a fear of it.

Before my 16th birthday, I got very sick. I usually kept these things to myself. I didn't like involving others in my personal issues, because it presented an invitation to others to interfere with my life. But that day, I told my mother about the sharp pain below my sternum. After she expressed her usual exasperation, she gave me herbal medicine and told me to rest. I went back to school even though I was sick. Every day my parents had a new remedy; I carried a little baggy of medicine with me—Tums, Advil, homeopathic cure-alls.

But I was still in pain. All the energy that I usually used to blend in and charm others was redirected to controlling the pain. I stopped nodding and smiling; instead I stared at them with dead eyes. I had no filter for my secret thoughts; I told friends how ugly they were and that they deserved the bad things that happened to them. Without the stamina to calibrate my effect on people, I embraced my meanness.

My abdominal pain migrated to my back. At one point, I spent the afternoon sleeping in my brother's car. Later, my dad looked at my torso and saw that something was wrong. Reluctantly, he said: "We'll go to the doctor tomorrow."

The next day, at the doctor's office, the physician spoke in outraged tones. My mother receded into quiet, semi-catatonic disavowal, the state she retreated to when my father punched things. The doctor questioned: If you felt pain, what have you been doing for the last 10 days? Then I passed out. When I came to, I heard shouting and my father convincing the doctor not to call the ambulance. I could sense their mistrust of him.

I could see wild panic in my dad's eyes. He and my mother let me suffer for over a week because, as I later discovered, our family's medical insurance had lapsed. When I woke up after surgery, I saw my dad standing over me with tired anger. My appendix had perforated, toxins spewed in my gut, I became septic with infection, and my back muscles became gangrenous. "You could have died; the doctors are very angry," my dad said, as if I should have apologized to everyone. I think my sociopathy was triggered largely because I never learned how to trust.


Why Trial Law Is a Sociopath's Fancy

My father's narcissism made him love me for my accomplishments because they reflected well on him, but it also made him hate me because I never bought into his self-image, which was all he cared about. I think I did a lot of the same things he did—played baseball, joined a band, attended law school—so that he would know that I was better.

I loved getting high marks in school; it meant I could get away with things other students couldn't. When I was young, what thrilled me was the risk of figuring out just how little I could study and still pull off the A. It was the same for being an attorney. During the California bar exam, people were crying from the stress. The convention center where the exam took place looked like a disaster relief center; people made desperate attempts to recall everything they had memorized over the prior eight weeks—weeks that I spent vacationing in Mexico. Despite being woefully ill-prepared by many standards, I was able to maintain calm and focus enough to maximize the knowledge I did have. I passed while others failed.


Regardless of my laziness and general lack of interest, I was actually a great lawyer when I was trying. At one point, I worked as a prosecutor in the misdemeanor department of the district attorney's office. My sociopathic traits make me a particularly excellent trial lawyer. I'm cool under pressure. I feel no guilt or compunction, which is handy in such a dirty business. Misdemeanor prosecutors almost always have to walk into a trial with cases they've never worked on before. All you can do is bluff and hope that you'll be able to scramble through it. The thing with sociopaths is that we are largely unaffected by fear. Besides, the nature of the crime is of no moral concern to me; I am interested only in winning the legal game.

When I was at one law firm, I was assigned to work for a senior associate named Jane. I was based in one of the firm's satellite offices, so I saw her once every few weeks. In law firms, you are supposed to treat your senior associate as if she is the ultimate authority, and Jane took this hierarchy seriously. You could tell that she never enjoyed such power in any other social sphere. Her pale skin mottled with age, poor diet, and middling hygiene was evidence of a lifetime spent outside the social elite. She wanted to wear her power well, but she was clumsy with it—heavy-handed in certain circumstances and a pushover in others. She was an entertaining blend of power and self-doubt.

I was not her best associate, and Jane believed that I was undeserving of all that I had accomplished. She put much effort into dressing appropriately, while I wore flip-flops and T-shirts at every semi-reasonable opportunity. While she billed as many hours as humanly possible, I exploited the nonexistent vacation policy by taking three-day weekends and weeks-long holidays.

One day we got into the elevator together. There were two tall, handsome men already inside. They both worked at the venture capital firm in the building. You could tell that they received multimillion dollar bonuses and likely arrived in one of the Maseratis regularly parked downstairs. The men were discussing the symphony that they had attended the night before—I also had attended it, though I didn't normally go to the symphony. I casually asked them about it.

They lit up. "So lucky to have met you! Perhaps you can settle a disagreement; my friend thinks that it was Rachmaninoff's second piano concerto that was performed last night, but I think it was his third." "It was his second." It hardly mattered what the right answer was.

The men thanked me and left the elevator, leaving Jane and me to travel to her office in enough silence for her to contemplate the dimensions of my intellectual and social superiority. She was jittery by the time we got to her office where we were supposed to talk about our work project. Instead, we talked about her life choices from the age of 18, her worries and insecurities about her job and her body, her attraction to women despite her being engaged to a man.

After that, I knew that whenever she saw me, her heart would flutter; she would worry about the secret vulnerabilities she had exposed to me, and she would wonder what it would be like to undress me or to slap me across the face. I know that for a long time I haunted her dreams. Power is its own reward, but with this particular dynamic established, I leveraged a brief cancer scare and outpatient procedure into a three-week paid vacation—another form of reward.


A Love Triangle of My Making

I like to imagine that I have "ruined people" or seduced someone to the point of being irreparably mine. I dated Cass for a while, but I ultimately lost interest. He, though, did not lose interest. So I tried to find other uses for him. One night he and I went to a party where we met Lucy. She was striking, particularly in her similarity to me, which made me want to ruin her. I did the calculations—Lucy is smitten with Cass, Cass is smitten with me, I had unexpected power over Lucy. At my direction, Cass began pursuing Lucy. I found out everything I could about Lucy from her well-meaning friends: Lucy and I were born hours apart on the same day; we had the same predilections, the same pet peeves, and the same style of distracted, quasi-formal communication. In my mind she was my alter ego.

For as long as Lucy dated Cass, I kept him as my sidepiece: I would induce him to make and then break dates with her in favor of being with me. He knew I was using him to mess with her.
When he started to feel pangs of conscience, I broke it off with him. I waited until he focused all his attention on Lucy, waited until she got her hopes up, then I called him again. I told him we were meant for each other and I was just testing him.

Lucy made things worse for herself—she had no sense of keeping personal things private, particularly from people like me who could use the information against her. Meanwhile, her friends sometimes thought I was her. Things could not have gone more perfectly.

The thing that kept it interesting was my genuine fondness for Lucy. I almost wanted to be a true friend.
Just thinking about this makes me salivate. But when she became a dessert too rich, I began to avoid her. I made Cass break it off with her for good.

What did I actually do to Lucy? Nothing. She grabbed a boy and kissed him. She liked this boy. She saw him a couple of times a week, sometimes with his creepy friend—me. After a while, it didn't work out. The end. I didn't ruin anything about her. She's married now and has a good job. The worst thing I did was propagate a romance that she believed was sincere, one that I staged (as best as I could) to break her heart. I know my heart is blacker and colder than most people's; maybe that's why it's tempting to break theirs.


What Is Evil, Really?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a sociopath's dream. Mormons believe that everyone has the potential to be godlike—I believe this includes me. Every being is capable of salvation; my actions are what matters, not my ruthless thoughts, not my nefarious motivations. Everyone is a sinner, and I never felt that I was outside this norm.

When I attended Brigham Young—where students were even more trusting than the average Mormon—there were myriad opportunities for scamming. I stole from the lost and found, saying I lost a book, but then I would take the "found" book to the bookstore and sell it. Or, I'd take an unlocked bike that sat in the same place for days. Finders, keepers.

But I am functionally a good person
—I bought a house for my closest friend, I gave my brother $10,000, and I am considered a helpful professor. I love my family and friends. Yet I am not motivated or constrained by the same things that most good people are.

I don't mean to give the impression that you shouldn't worry about sociopaths. Just because I'm high-functioning and nonviolent doesn't mean there aren't a lot of stupid, uninhibited, or dangerous sociopaths out there. I myself try to escape people like that; after all, it's not like all sociopaths give each other hall passes to avoid harassment.

Despite having imagined it many times, I've never slit anyone's throat. I wonder, though, had I been raised in a more abusive home, whether I would have blood on my hands. People who commit heinous crimes—sociopath or empath—are not more damaged than everyone else, but they seem to have less to lose. It's easy to imagine a 16-year-old version of myself being handcuffed in an orange jumpsuit. If I had no one to love or nothing to achieve, perhaps. It's hard to say.

A lot of bolded/highlighted stuff there, I know. But it's worth it, straight out of the mouth of a female "sociopath" (no, it's "psychopath") in print no less. But did you catch the middle part onwards? The part about her interactions with her boss (especially the lift/elevator journey) & her "boring" ex-boyfriend? The whole thing is astonishing, incredible, & I for one remember my childhood circle of "friends" (acquaintances, "hanger-on's) & foes & society at that time. Thank god I didn't get ponerized like so many of them, even though I did absorb some of this pathological horror. Which is why I cut ties with them after a few short years. And it has been going on for millennia, this trans-millennial institutional transponification of normalizing psychopathy; ponerogenesis is all-pervasive no matter what "new" civilization springs up. And men are especially targeted for this which makes it even easier to spread in both the short & the long-term. Anyways, there you have it.
 
Perceval said:
Did anyone watch the show?

Yes. It was a clever, but obvious, piece of programming. They presented a lot of truth regarding psychopathy, but it was in reference to the top ten movie psychopaths. This kept the idea of psychopathy as a 'fantasy' for the masses, osit. But right in the middle of all this was Dutton who performed a 'study' that selected two young, everyday students who were, apparently, high on the scale of psychopathic traits. He compared them with two students who were very low on the psychopathic scale.

The upshot was that the two psychopaths were a much better role model than the two normals, because, wait for it ... the psychos did a bungee jump, but the other two didn't.

So we had the movie psychopaths showing extreme psychopathy, compared and contrasted with the 'real' psychopathy of the 'real' and harmless students. Neat.

My take on it is that it was an experimental first step in normalising psychopathy.
 
The Strawman said:
Perceval said:
Did anyone watch the show?

Yes. It was a clever, but obvious, piece of programming. They presented a lot of truth regarding psychopathy, but it was in reference to the top ten movie psychopaths. This kept the idea of psychopathy as a 'fantasy' for the masses, osit. But right in the middle of all this was Dutton who performed a 'study' that selected two young, everyday students who were, apparently, high on the scale of psychopathic traits. He compared them with two students who were very low on the psychopathic scale.

The upshot was that the two psychopaths were a much better role model than the two normals, because, wait for it ... the psychos did a bungee jump, but the other two didn't.

So we had the movie psychopaths showing extreme psychopathy, compared and contrasted with the 'real' psychopathy of the 'real' and harmless students. Neat.

My take on it is that it was an experimental first step in normalising psychopathy.

Eeevil! Or maybe it really is the new "normal" for a ponerized society.
 
Perceval said:
The Strawman said:
Perceval said:
Did anyone watch the show?

Yes. It was a clever, but obvious, piece of programming. They presented a lot of truth regarding psychopathy, but it was in reference to the top ten movie psychopaths. This kept the idea of psychopathy as a 'fantasy' for the masses, osit. But right in the middle of all this was Dutton who performed a 'study' that selected two young, everyday students who were, apparently, high on the scale of psychopathic traits. He compared them with two students who were very low on the psychopathic scale.

The upshot was that the two psychopaths were a much better role model than the two normals, because, wait for it ... the psychos did a bungee jump, but the other two didn't.

So we had the movie psychopaths showing extreme psychopathy, compared and contrasted with the 'real' psychopathy of the 'real' and harmless students. Neat.

My take on it is that it was an experimental first step in normalising psychopathy.

Eeevil! Or maybe it really is the new "normal" for a ponerized society.

Another probable example of psychopathic behavior along the same vein as the bungee jumpers is a group of extreme rock climbers who scale mountain and cliff faces with no ropes, pitons, or safety devices of any kind, with the exception of climbing boots. In fact, it's rumored that some don't even wear climbing boots. And a lot of them lose their lives every year.
I could never comprehend what would drive anyone to engage in such seemingly suicidal activity.
Now it seems to have an answer: psychopathic individuals.
 
The Strawman said:
Perceval said:
Did anyone watch the show?

Yes. It was a clever, but obvious, piece of programming. They presented a lot of truth regarding psychopathy, but it was in reference to the top ten movie psychopaths. This kept the idea of psychopathy as a 'fantasy' for the masses, osit. But right in the middle of all this was Dutton who performed a 'study' that selected two young, everyday students who were, apparently, high on the scale of psychopathic traits. He compared them with two students who were very low on the psychopathic scale.

The upshot was that the two psychopaths were a much better role model than the two normals, because, wait for it ... the psychos did a bungee jump, but the other two didn't.

So we had the movie psychopaths showing extreme psychopathy, compared and contrasted with the 'real' psychopathy of the 'real' and harmless students. Neat.

My take on it is that it was an experimental first step in normalising psychopathy.

Well I wouldn't say it was clever, since the decades-long systematic programming has had enough time to "ripen & mature" in the collective consciousness/subconscious, but I know what you mean. I stayed up to watch this to see how damaging it could be & by the time it began, I was pretty tired. I felt, sitting there, as if I was spoiling for a fight & this feeling slowly grew as they showed J.Fallon (of "oh no, I'm a psychopath!" recent fame) & Dutton agreeing that the female "replicant", from the blade runner movie; was exhibiting psychopathy. The scene where Harrison Ford is testing her was the reference point, & they said someone like that is DEFINITELY a psychopath. They seemed cosy. Figures.

There was a woman from the FBI talking about using Hare's checklist & at the same time, teaching other agents about psychopaths & their behaviour with movie psychopaths as a reference. At this point I knew how this was going to continue, although I did wonder what Hare was doing. He didn't erm, "act" as I might have thought he would, I can't really explain it (too tired, but it was enough to grab my attention) so I'll defer to anyone else who was more awake than I was.

I could only stay awake for around a half-hour, but in that time they kept banging on about their "top 10 (or however many it was) movie psychopaths, I was half-expecting a review of the movies they were in. Of course they couldn't help but bring good 'ol Hannibal Lecter into it, here, the FBI woman (& the narrator) were analysing Jodie Foster's technique in the first meeting. To be honest, I expected more from this ponerizing propaganda, & I thought it was executed fairly poorly, which is a good thing. When they do documentaries on say, pornography, paedophiles, or some political "scandal", it's handled far better from what I've seen. But as I said, 30 or so minutes was all I could muster before conking out.

You're correct in the "fantasy for the masses" statement & the normalization of psychopathy, this was supposedly a one-off (like "the psychopath next door" with Anna Friel) which seems a sly way of pushing the official concept in people's faces; along with Dutton's "embrace your inner psychopath" pill. Which is the blue pill by the way. :(

I wonder if they're gonna throw some more "one-offs" out there too, probably waiting for people to clamour for it, "tell me more about my inner psychopath" & that kind of thing. Hopefully not.



Edit: spelling.
 
Strawman said:
My take on it is that it was an experimental first step in normalising psychopathy.

I didn't see the show, but I would say it's not a first step, per se, more like a ramping up of the 'psychopaths are cool' meme that's been around for a long time now. Just look at any film by Quentin Tarantino and you'll see this propagated in spades.

K-kqge said:
Well I wouldn't say it was clever, since the decades-long systematic programming has had enough time to "ripen & mature" in the collective consciousness/subconscious

What I found interesting is that 'M E Thomas' is a lawyer. For decades we've been subjected to long-running TV shows that glamourise the legal profession, and lawyers in particular. Now the message seems to be: if you want to win your case, you need a psychopath on your team. But what isn't talked about, but is made pretty clear in the extract above, is that the psychopathic lawyer is as likely to turn on their client as they are to defend them in court. In the extract above, 'she' manipulates her boss. But, as 'Thomas' says, they only play the legal game so they can win the legal game, and everybody and everything is in their sights if they can get some kind of advantage out of it.

I would also suggest that while 'M E Thomas' a pseudonym, (M E = me), 'she' does not actually exist. Given that pretty much all TV lawyers behave in similar ways to those described in the extract from 'her' book, it seems likely to me that this is another strategy designed to ramp up the normalization of psychopathy: capitalizing on decades of programming via TV (pun intended).
 

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