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Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
7 February 2014
An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube on Thursday. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.
Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:
Warning: This transcript contains swearing.
Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?
Voice thought to be Pyatt's: I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I'm glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response.
- Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be a larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity and has been quick to point a finger at the Russian authorities for being behind its interception and leak.
Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.
- Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future". However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals. Russian spokesmen have insisted that the US is meddling in Ukraine's affairs - no more than Moscow, the cynic might say - but Washington clearly has its own game-plan. The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.
Pyatt: Yeah. I guess... in terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I'm just thinking in terms of sort of the process moving ahead we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok [Oleh Tyahnybok, the other opposition leader] and his guys and I'm sure that's part of what [President Viktor] Yanukovych is calculating on all this.
Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.
Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that's right. OK. Good. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?
Nuland: My understanding from that call - but you tell me - was that the big three were going into their own meeting and that Yats was going to offer in that context a... three-plus-one conversation or three-plus-two with you. Is that not how you understood it?
Pyatt: No. I think... I mean that's what he proposed but I think, just knowing the dynamic that's been with them where Klitschko has been the top dog, he's going to take a while to show up for whatever meeting they've got and he's probably talking to his guys at this point, so I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn't like it.
Nuland: OK, good. I'm happy. Why don't you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after.
Pyatt: OK, will do. Thanks.
Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?
Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.
- Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.
Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.
Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
- Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.
Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.
Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.
- Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked. But is the interception and leaking of communications really the way Russia wants to conduct its foreign policy ? Goodness - after Wikileaks, Edward Snowden and the like could the Russian government be joining the radical apostles of open government? I doubt it. Though given some of the comments from Vladimir Putin's adviser on Ukraine Sergei Glazyev - for example his interview with the Kommersant-Ukraine newspaper the other day - you don't need your own listening station to be clear about Russia's intentions. Russia he said "must interfere in Ukraine" and the authorities there should use force against the demonstrators.
Image source, Reuters
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Ms Nuland and Mr Pyatt (centre) met Ukrainian opposition leaders Vitaly Klitschko (L) and Arseny Yatsenyuk (R) on Thursday
Image source, AP
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She also met President Yanukovych
“The PM consulted with security units regarding this journey and they literally did not recommend it,” the press department of PM Heger replied to Denník N.
A plane carrying fuel for two Slovak nuclear power plants landed in Slovakia on Tuesday despite the country’s airspace being closed to Russian planes. The economy ministry confirmed that an aircraft of the Volga Dnepr company had carried nuclear fuel.
RUSSIAN WARPLANES ARE NOW USING GUIDED GLIDE BOMBS TO HIT TARGETS IN UKRAINE
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Smart bombs K08BE (left) and K029BE (right), Source: GNPP Region.
The Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) have apparently begun to use guided glide bombs to hit high-value military targets in Ukraine.
On March 17, Russian sources shared a photo showing a K029BE guided glide bomb loaded on a warplane of the VKS, most likely a Su-34 fighter bomber, before a combat mission in Ukraine. The letter Z, one of the symbols of the ongoing Russian special military operation in Ukraine was painted on the bomb.
The K029BE, which entered service with the VKS in 2019, was developed by GNPP Region, a subsidiary of the Tactical Missiles Corporation (KTRV).
The smart bomb is guided via an INS [inertial navigation system], aided by a GLONASS satellite guidance system. The 1,525 kg bomb is armed with a 1,010 kg warhead that has a smart fuze with three detonation time-delay modes.
The bomb has a maximum range of 50 kilometers and can be dropped from an altitude of up to 15 kilometers. It has a CEP [circular error probable] of less than 10 meters.
A lighter version of the K029BE dubbed the K08BE also entered service with the VKS in 2019. This version weights 505 kg only with a 390 kg warhead. The K08BE has a range of 40 kilometers and can be dropped from an altitude of 14 kilometers.
The K029BE and K08BE were developed to allow VKS warplanes to engage and defeat high-value and highly-fortified targets from a stand-off distance. The guidance system of the bombs allows the pilots to fire-and-forget.
The use of guided glide bombs like the K029BE and K08BE will lower the losses of the VKS. Russian warplanes armed with these bombs will be able to attack their targets inside Ukraine without entering the range of Ukrainian air defense systems.
https://rusvesna.su/news/1647444676The representative of Russia to UNESCO put in place the wailing about the suffering of the Ukrainian people (VIDEO)
16.03.2022 - 18:31
Deputy Permanent Representative of Russia to UNESCO Tatyana Dovgalenko asked uncomfortable questions at the meeting of the organization, putting speakers who were moaning about the suffering of the Ukrainian people in their place, and in the end deprived UNESCO Director General Audre Azule speechless, quoting Fyodor Tyutchev.
"To those who emotionally and eloquently described the suffering of the Ukrainian people, I want to say: yes, it is, yes, these sufferings are terrible. And yes, some of the Ukrainian people have been living in basements and bombings for 8 years. But you've always turned a blind eye to it. And what do you think they are, not people? And the children of Donbass, whose monument is installed on the Alley of Angels in Donetsk, are their lives worthless?"
Dovgalenko finished her speech on the situation around Ukraine, Russophobia and how the world community has not noticed civilian casualties in the Donbas at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists for many years, quoting Fyodor Tyutchev.
""It has long been possible to predict that this rabid hatred, which has been kindled more and more in the West against Russia for thirty years, every year, will break loose someday. This moment has come.
"Russia was simply offered suicide, renunciation of the very basis of its existence, a solemn recognition that it is nothing else in the world, as a wild and ugly phenomenon, as an evil that requires correction,“ Fyodor Ivanovich Tyutchev, April 21, 1854. Thank you.""
On March 17, the Russian Armed Forces provided evacuation of almost 43 thousand people from Mariupol
on March 17, 2022, 21:52
On March 17, the Russian armed forces ensured the safe evacuation of almost 43 thousand people from Mariupol, said the head of the National Defense Control Center of Russia, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev.
"As a result of the humanitarian operation carried out in Mariupol, 42,992 more people have been safely evacuated from the city today. 134 tons of medicines, basic necessities, as well as food, including baby food, have been transferred to the population," he said.
Russia continues a set of measures to evacuate Ukrainian citizens and foreigners to safe areas, as well as restore peaceful life in the territories liberated from nationalists, Mizintsev added.
Where is this information coming from? If it's in the video, it's showing as "unavailable, private" to me.Herson
In Kherson, a stronghold of Ukrainian nationalists was disguised as a representative office of the Red Cross
The Russian military, checking the building of the Kherson nightclub, discovered a cell of nationalists. The tattooed men and their assistants assured that they were volunteers helping the Red Cross. However, they do not have any documents. As arguments, they wanted to provide a bunch of diapers for the kids, but there wasn’t one either.
But the military found a machine gun, grenades, rubber batons, a baseball bat, helmets and Ukrainian flags in the club building. One of the "volunteers" explained the presence of weapons simply: "I found it."
President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin commented on the current international affairs during the meeting on socioeconomic support for regions:
The Kiev authorities started to implement plans to join NATO. Moreover, the Kiev authorities also announced their intention to have nuclear weapons and delivery hardware.
Our numerous warnings that such developments posed a direct threat to the security of Russia were rejected with open and cynical arrogance by Ukraine and its US and NATO patrons. In other words, all our diplomatic efforts were fully in vain.
Encouraged by the United States and other Western countries, Ukraine was purposefully preparing for a scenario of force, a massacre and an ethnic cleansing in Donbass. A massive onslaught on Donbass and later Crimea was just a matter of time. However, our Armed Forces have shattered these plans.
But what is shocking in its extreme cynicism is not just Kiev’s blatant lies and statements that Russia allegedly launched this missile at Donetsk (they have gone as far as this), but the attitude of the so-called civilised world. The European and American press did not even notice this tragedy in Donetsk, as if nothing happened.
It was no longer possible to tolerate this outrageous attitude towards the people of Donbass. To put an end to this genocide, Russia recognized the people’s republics of Donbass and signed treaties of friendship and mutual aid with them. Based on these treaties, the republics appealed to Russia for military aid in rebuffing the aggression. We rendered this aid because we simply could not do otherwise. We had no right to act otherwise.
I would like to emphasise this point and draw your attention to it: if our troops had acted only within the people's republics and helped them liberate their territory, it would not have been a final solution, it would not have led to peace and would not have ultimately removed the threat – to our country, this time to Russia. On the contrary, a new frontline would have been extended around Donbass and its borders, and shelling and provocations would have continued. In other words, this armed conflict would have continued indefinitely. It would have been fueled by the revanchist hysteria of the Kiev regime, as NATO deployed its military infrastructure faster and more aggressively. In this case, we would have been faced with the fact that the attack, the offensive weapons of the alliance were already at our borders.
To reiterate, the entire planet is now paying for the West’s ambitions and the West’s attempts to maintain its elusive dominance by any means possible.
The two following chants contain obscene insults to Putin and a Russian warship. They are relatively young and historically unbiased." Glory to Ukraine!" - "Glory to the heroes!"
"Glory to Ukraine!" - "Glory to the heroes!"
"Glory to Ukraine!" - "Glory to the heroes!"
"Glory to the nation!" - "Death to the enemies!"
"Glory to the nation!" - "Death to the enemies!"
"Glory to the nation!" - "Death to the enemies! "
If someone wants to try to imitate the physical part of the mandatory salute laid down in these resolutions, please do not do so in public: In Germany this is a punishable offense." The salute of the organization has the form of raising the outstretched right hand diagonally to the right above head height. The words of the full salute are obligatory: "Glory to Ukraine" and in response "Glory to Heroes". The abbreviation "Glory" is allowed - "Glory "