Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[Deleted member 4320]

The idea of Poland’s intention of taking over parts of Western Ukraine has been brought up in a number of articles.
Gonzalo Lira also discusses this in one of his recent videos and claims that doing so would anger the neo-Nazis who would see this as a foreign nation taking over the heart of their homeland and this would eventually create for Poland a situation similar to what the US experienced in Vietnam.

But I haven’t seen much mention about how Russia would react to such a move.

My doubts related to Russia being somehow ok with a partitioning of Ukraine with NATO/EU countries is that it would effectively, even if maybe not on paper, get NATO’s border even closer to Russian territory than it currently is, which is exactly what Putin is fighting for among other things, and the area in question is filled with people who carry a lot of anger towards Russia and many of whom IMO are eager to take up arms and fight. Moreover, the nation that would take over this area is none other than arguably the most staunch supporter of the US.

How would Putin react to that?

Let me relate to that. There is something else here that should be taken into account. In this case, it is about Poland and the future partition of Poland. I know how it sounds, although I would like you to read it. A good way is to look at what it was like in history during the Second World War.

Poland is currently leaded to be leave high and dry. International efforts are being made to quarrel Poles with other nations so that they can ultimately be alone and easy to be partitioned. For example, I saw the speech of Sikorski, one of the Polish politicians, who spoke on the BBC about how NATO is lazy and that it should join the war with Russia. Presenting Poland as one of the countries that is determined and belligerent towards Russia. I think this is a game to portray Poland as an aggressive doggie who bark and fights, only to be told later that he was kicked by his own guilt.

Another example is another Polish politician, Jasin, who said that "We [Poles] are servants of the Ukrainian nation." Poles are forced to be "the second" in their own country. There is a lot of it, such acts that belittle Poles or conflict them with others, these are just small examples. As I wrote, it is in this post and probably several times before, on various occasions: History likes to repeat itself, and it will be so in this case. Poland was deliberately left alone and at odds with others in order to be partitioned between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Now it is going to something similar.

Note "(...) servants of the Ukrainian nation." Therefore, I think that there may be serious tensions on the Polish-Ukrainian border in the eastern-southern part of the Poland (western Ukrainian). I have heard of such a hypothesis of a false flag attack and disinformation that will force or persuade people to leave the eastern-southern border area of Poland. Will there be a war between the armed forces of Poland and Ukraine? I think that this is very improbable. Poland is currently handing over the army to Ukraine to fight the Russians. How would they fight the Ukrainians if they gave them military equipment? There will be no such war. If anything happens, it will happen at the expense of ordinary (Polish) people.

That false flag attack may be some "terrorist attack" successfully carried out by the CIA (or Mossad or somebody else) and accused it on the Russians, which will influence Poles to escape from eastern Poland and settle Ukrainians there.

If Poland is to be partitioned, Putin will be well aware of it. Perhaps he will take part in such a partition. Currently, Poland borders on Russia (Kaliningrad Oblast) and Belarus. If Putin wants to take over part of Poland, I expect that the idea on the part of the PTB may be that part of Poland (devoted to Russia) will be encouraged to conflict with Russia (hope nothing like this will happen). There are, of course, also other parties that could participate in the partition of Poland which do not have to take Russia into account. I don't know the exact scenario.

BTW, generally speaking, if I say that Poland is becoming a scapegoat at the hands of other countries, it does not mean that I have any problem with other nations and ordinary people. This is something that goes top-down anyway and Polish politicians themselves sabotage their own country the most of others.

As for the partition of Poland, or something similar to the partition of Poland, this may be quite an exotic hypothesis. However, given that if history likes to repeat itself and is going to do it again, one of the steps in completing this pattern will be the partition of Poland. Now we have different times and it may mean something different than the seizure of land, and it will be more economic, social and systemic, in individual poviats and voivodships.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Interesting that you consider misinformed and overly-critical analysis to be a “healthy” level of skepticism. You might want to reconsider that.

Ryan, just to offer some friendly advice . Unless the issue is cut/dry or someone can't be right because of some fundamental failings in logic which are demonstrable, there is no need to be dismissive of others viewpoints or seek to bulldoze compliance by using sheer force of one's personality.

 

[Ryan]

Hey Ryan, no need to be so confrontational here. @BHelmet said what was on his mind, so that we can discuss it, which we did, and Cosmos provided some needed background info because he has been following the story closely. That's all.

I didn’t have any issue with what BHelmet wrote, however it struck me as weird that Sottreader would basically double down on it with another weak conjecture after Cosmos’ excellent explanation. Sorry if I was overly confrontational about it.

 

[ziutek]

Let me relate to that. There is something else here that should be taken into account. In this case, it is about Poland and the future partition of Poland. I know how it sounds, although I would like you to read it. A good way is to look at what it was like in history during the Second World War.

Poland is currently leaded to be leave high and dry. International efforts are being made to quarrel Poles with other nations so that they can ultimately be alone and easy to be partitioned. For example, I saw the speech of Sikorski, one of the Polish politicians, who spoke on the BBC about how NATO is lazy and that it should join the war with Russia. Presenting Poland as one of the countries that is determined and belligerent towards Russia. I think this is a game to portray Poland as an aggressive doggie who bark and fights, only to be told later that he was kicked by his own guilt.

Another example is another Polish politician, Jasin, who said that "We [Poles] are servants of the Ukrainian nation." Poles are forced to be "the second" in their own country. There is a lot of it, such acts that belittle Poles or conflict them with others, these are just small examples. As I wrote, it is in this post and probably several times before, on various occasions: History likes to repeat itself, and it will be so in this case. Poland was deliberately left alone and at odds with others in order to be partitioned between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Now it is going to something similar.

Note "(...) servants of the Ukrainian nation." Therefore, I think that there may be serious tensions on the Polish-Ukrainian border in the eastern-southern part of the Poland (western Ukrainian). I have heard of such a hypothesis of a false flag attack and disinformation that will force or persuade people to leave the eastern-southern border area of Poland. Will there be a war between the armed forces of Poland and Ukraine? I think that this is very improbable. Poland is currently handing over the army to Ukraine to fight the Russians. How would they fight the Ukrainians if they gave them military equipment? There will be no such war. If anything happens, it will happen at the expense of ordinary (Polish) people.

That false flag attack may be some "terrorist attack" successfully carried out by the CIA (or Mossad or somebody else) and accused it on the Russians, which will influence Poles to escape from eastern Poland and settle Ukrainians there.

If Poland is to be partitioned, Putin will be well aware of it. Perhaps he will take part in such a partition. Currently, Poland borders on Russia (Kaliningrad Oblast) and Belarus. If Putin wants to take over part of Poland, I expect that the idea on the part of the PTB may be that part of Poland (devoted to Russia) will be encouraged to conflict with Russia (hope nothing like this will happen). There are, of course, also other parties that could participate in the partition of Poland which do not have to take Russia into account. I don't know the exact scenario.

BTW, generally speaking, if I say that Poland is becoming a scapegoat at the hands of other countries, it does not mean that I have any problem with other nations and ordinary people. This is something that goes top-down anyway and Polish politicians themselves sabotage their own country the most of others.

As for the partition of Poland, or something similar to the partition of Poland, this may be quite an exotic hypothesis. However, given that if history likes to repeat itself and is going to do it again, one of the steps in completing this pattern will be the partition of Poland. Now we have different times and it may mean something different than the seizure of land, and it will be more economic, social and systemic, in individual poviats and voivodships.

It seems to me more likely that "Ukrpol" will be formed by merging Poland and Ukraine.
The statements of our President that he wishes there was no border between Poland and Ukraine:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://kresy.pl/wydarzenia/duda-wierze-ze-miedzy-polska-a-ukraina-w-przyszlosci-nie-bedzie-granicy-video/&ved=2ahUKEwiEzuuD88_3AhVikosKHQBOBQAQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1IbjEd3NrOuSaGudHHeSXE

Zeleński makes a similar statement:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/swiat/artykuly/8372736,zelenski-wojna-w-ukrainie-relacje-z-polska-duda-pomoc.html.amp&ved=2ahUKEwiawabG88_3AhVnk4sKHXprD6wQFnoECAsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZkgB01tGOVuqJ_ENsPOuv

Może to świadczyć o tym, że USA zakładają możliwość, że Rosja zaanektuje wschodnią Ukrainę i na granicy "Ukrpol" dalej będzie spełniał rolę Ukrainy w kontynuacji wojny zachodu ze wschodem.
Polska jako naród wiecznie pokrzywdzony (w mniemaniu większości Polaków) świetnie nadaje się do budowy kolejnego bastionu nazistów.
Piszę to z bólem i mam nadzieję, że inni Polacy się na mnie nie obrażą.

 

[Ocean]

Y'all just keep watching how our leaders, movers and shakers respond.

The trick for the rest of us is to remain as calm as we can

as we quietly exit the scene (and whisper to our loved ones to do the same)

and take cover behind something solid
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US ‘directly’ involved in Ukraine conflict – Moscow

US ‘directly’ involved in Ukraine conflict – Moscow

The chairman of Russia’s Duma says the US should be placed on a “list of war criminals” for sharing military data with Kiev

https://www.rt.com/russia/555125-us-involved-russia-ukraine/

 

[ziutek]

Translation of the last paragraph:

This may indicate that the U.S. is assuming the possibility that Russia will annex eastern Ukraine and on the border "Ukrpol" will continue to play the role of Ukraine in continuing the war between west and east.
Poland as a perpetually wronged nation (in the opinion of most Poles) is perfectly suited to build another bastion of Nazis.
It pains me to write this and I hope that other Poles will not take offense at me.
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[Ocean]

 

[Ryan]

Ryan, just to offer some friendly advice . Unless the issue is cut/dry or someone can't be right because of some fundamental failings in logic which are demonstrable, there is no need to be dismissive of others viewpoints or seek to bulldoze compliance by using sheer force of one's personality.

See, what you wrote would have more sway with me except that you didn’t demonstrate such a level of tolerance for Gonzalo Lira’s viewpoint. Where is the cut/dry issue with him, or the fundamental failings in his logic?

 

[Laurentien2]

Battle For Snake Island: Russian Forces Left Positions But Prevent Ukrainian From Gaining Foothold (Videos)

Snake Island (Zmiinyi Island), was attacked and captured by the Russian Navy, along with its entire garrison, on February 24th....

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BATTLE FOR SNAKE ISLAND: RUSSIAN FORCES LEFT POSITIONS BUT PREVENT UKRAINIAN FROM GAINING FOOTHOLD (VIDEOS)​

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Snake Island (Zmiinyi Island), was attacked and captured by the Russian Navy, along with its entire garrison, on February 24th. In recent days, the Ukrainian Navy attempted to counter attack Russian Forces deployed on the island, but failed to land on the island and suffered significant material losses. At the same time, the Russian military was forced to leave the island. The control over Snake Island is of strategic importance, since it is a necessary bridgehead for the assault on the southern Ukrainian region of Odessa.
The military developments on Snake Island are hard to be clearly covered, as the reports of the Defence Ministries of the both sides do not reflect the full picture, while any military reporters are absent in the area.
So far, judging by various footage from the spot, some military reports and claims by the MoD, a fierce battle for the island broke out in the Black Sea.
In the preparation for the landing of the Ukrainian troops, Ukrainian Bayraktar TB2 UAVs have been operating almost daily over the positions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the island. Ukrainian Mi—8 helicopters have been transferred to the Chervonoglinsky airfield in Odessa. US M777 howitzers with 155 mm guided M982 Excalibur active-rocket projectiles have been transferred to the Zatoka area, posing the threat to the Russian positions on the island as well as ships nearby. Target designation and reconnaissance are provided by US reconnaissance aircraft deployed over the the Black Sea area. The Air Forces of Ukraine also reportedly use airfields in Romania and Bulgaria to base their aircraft.
Earlier, on May 2, two Russian Raptor-type boats were destroyed by strikes from Bayraktar UAVs in the Black Sea. The AFU military command confirmed the attack which took place at dawn near the Zmiinyi island.
Thus, on May 6, the Russian short-range surface-to-air missile system “Tor” deployed on Snake Island was damaged as a result of the Ukrainian attack with Turkish-made Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs. At least two Bayraktar TB2 attack UAVs of the AFU were deployed in the area during the attack, one of which carried out the strike and the second adjusted the fire.
On May 6, the Russian MoD claimed the interception of a Ukrainian Bayraktar UAV over the island. On May 5, another Bayraktar UAV was shot down as well as a Ukrainian Su-24 attack aircraft.

As a result of the attack, the Russian military reportedly withdrew from Snake Island on May 7.
On the same day, the Ukrainian Air Force attempted to raid on the island. Ukrainian Mi-8 cargo helicopters and the Stanislav landing boat covered by UAVs and fighters reportedly reached the shores of the island. According to the reports, at least two Su-24 and two Su-27 aircraft, as well as two more smaller warships were involved in the operation. At the moment of landing, Ukrainian forces were struck by Russian warships and aircraft.
According to the Russian MoD, a Ukrainian Su-24 bomber, a Su-27 fighter, three Mi-8 helicopters with landing troops and two Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down over Snake Island. The Ukrainian amphibious assault boat Stanislav was also destroyed.
The other Ukrainian forces retreated. The satellite imagery made on May 7 shows two ships of the Ukrainian Navy heading away from the island towards mainland Ukraine.

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Ukrainian media shared the footage made by the Bayraktar UAVs in another attempt to claim new victories by the AFU. The video shows the strikes of the Ukrainian warplanes on the military strongholds on the island. Ukrainian aircraft are flying at low altitude facing no resistance, which likely confirms the statements about the withdrawal of Russian troops.

A Russian helicopter carrying members of the Special Forces involved in evacuation from the island was destroyed likely by the Ukrainian UAV.

On the same day, on May 7, the Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the airfields of Chervonoglinny, Shkolny and Martynovka, targeting the aircraft involved in the attack on the island.
Among the military targets on the territory of the Shkolny airfield and Odessa International Airport which were hit with air-launched cruise missiles on May 7, there were:

• two of the four air defense battery launchers. One of them was located on the runway of the Odessa airport.
• a settling tank with aircraft and hangars for temporary storage of aircraft equipment at the Odessa Aircraft Repair Plant.
• a warehouse.
• the flight control center of the Odessa airport has been disabled.

The island is currently the gray zone in the Black Sea. The Russian military left the island and repells the attempts of the Ukrainian Navy to take control over it. Clashes in the area continue.
On May 8, the Russian MoD reported that “during the night, two more Ukrainian Su-24 bombers and one Mi-24 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force were destroyed over the island of Zmeiny by Russian air defense means, and an unmanned aerial vehicle “Bayraktar-TB2″ was shot down near the city of Odessa.
In total, four Ukrainian aircraft, four helicopters, including three with troops on board, three Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles and one amphibious assault boat of the Ukrainian Navy were destroyed in this area during the day.”
Also, a Ukrainian Navy corvette of Project 1241 was destroyed near Odessa, according to the briefing of the Russian MoD.
On May 8, the Russian Aerospace Forces once again attacked the Martynovka airfield in the Voznesensky district, where the aircraft involved in the strikes on Snake island was based.
Effective interaction of the US intelligence and the Ukrainian armed forces, as well as the lack of an effective Russian air defense system in the area of the island, forced the Russian forces to leave the island. At the same time, the powerful grouping of the Black Sea Fleet and the VKS units based in the Crimea do not allow the AFU to establish control over the waters near Odessa.
Control over Snake Island is of strategic importance. Located near the southern coast of Odessa, it is a necessary springboard for the expected Russian attack on the southern Ukrainian region. On the other hand, if the Ukrainian military gains control of the island, it can ensure the safety of the air and sea near Odessa. The island can also be used for the supply of military equipment from abroad by sea.

 

[PERLOU]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=365022828995036

VLADIMIR POUTINE

 

[goyacobol]

f these are the sorts of weapons human have, makes you wonder what aliens have and why they haven't mutually destroyed the universe lol

@SOTTREADER ,

I think that question was asked in an older session in a slightly different way:

Session 18 March 2000:

Q: So, I guess that means I will figure it out from clues yet to be found. Now, I want to go back to what you said about Whitley Strieber and Art Bell getting their information from "non-human" sources about world conquest and domination. Are Art and Whitley consciously aware of their connection to this source of information?

A: Amalgamation, we did not say "conquest."

Q: But, on previous occasions you have discussed the alien plan to manipulate humanity via time travel, creating an infrastructure for taking over the world. Are you saying that it will be done in such a way that there is no "outward" sign that it has happened?

A: Close.

Q: So, in other words, the world is being taken over gradually, right now, as we sit here and speak, and most people aren't even aware of it?

A: Sort of....

Q: Are people, at any point, going to become aware of it? Are they going to wake up... or is it just the way of nature?

A: Natural processes.

Q: So, aliens are never going to appear in the sky; there is never going to be a battle as you have previously stated; there is never going to be...

A: WHOA!

Q: Well, that's kind of what you are saying!

A: No. You are impatianet for a quick, packaged definition.

Q: What I am trying to get at is; you are saying it is a natural process; you are saying we are being taken over; it is not a conquest; though you did not say that it was not domination, of course - clearly domination is part of it, is that correct?

A: One could call it evolution.

Q: Well, still those things make one tend to think of natural processes that do not involve a war in the sky, spaceships shooting lasers...

A: Who says such rules apply?

Q: I'm just saying that it how you are making it sound; that it is just a strictly natural process. We are talking about 4th density beings... I guess they could...

A: Natural processes are not restricted by your preconceived boundaries.

Q: Then, let me come at it from another direction: are these beings who are behind Strieber and Bell's book part of those who will participate in some sort of battle? The problem here is that you have excluded the word "conquest." (A) I think they excluded conquest because, to a large extent, for most people, it is not a conquest; they just simply allow it. So, there is no conquest for most...

A: That is part of it, but we know you can exceed your programmed ideas if you try. Conquest, or lack thereof is a matter of opinion/perception.

Q: Let me get this straight: how is this book by Strieber and Bell going to play into the plans of STS aliens?

A: Not the book, the events depicted.

Q: So, are you saying that Whitley and Art are doing a favor for all of us by publicizing this information, that it could be helpful?

A: Makes little difference.

Q: Is there anything that COULD make a difference? Or is it necessary to make a difference?

A: In the biggest picture, no.

Q: So, it's not necessary to make a difference?

A: The soul, she counteth. The body, she doth not!

Q: So, that's the biggest picture. Narrow the picture down: is there something that could make a difference? Clearly, in the biggest picture, nothing makes a difference...

A: Native Americans asked similar questions once!

Q: Which brings up the subject of Native Americans. A big part of what is being taught by them at the present time is that the aliens, the Grays, and assorted others, are good guys - the "star people" coming here to teach us and to help us advance! They claim that it is a "good" thing to have contacts, abductions, and so on and on.

A: No. Corrupted message. Some early contacts were with benevolent STO beings.

It is difficult to know exactly what may happen or what technology or "natural proscesses"may be usesd for us to "evolve" I think.

 

[Stoneboss]

More propaganda BS. "Jill Biden made an unannounced visit to western Ukraine on Sunday, holding a surprise Mother’s Day meeting with first lady Olena Zelenska to show U.S. support for the embattled nation as Russia presses its punishing war in the eastern regions."

Jill Biden pays surprise visit to Ukraine, meets first lady - Breitbart

Jill Biden spent several hours in Ukraine on Sunday, driving from the border with Slovakia to a town 10 minutes away to see first lady Olena Zelenska on

www.breitbart.com

 

[Ellipse]

In some Texas cafes, customer bills have begun to include a $1 fee for ... support of Ukraine.

This is done without the consent of visitors to the establishments, and you can only refuse an additional fee before you get the bill.

RUSSOSPHÈRE - En défense de la Russie

TAXE UKRAINIENNE AUX USA ! Dans certains cafés du Texas, les factures des clients ont commencé à inclure des frais de 1 $ pour ... le soutien de l'Ukraine. Cela se fait sans le consentement des visiteurs des établissements, et vous ne pouvez refuser une taxe supplémentaire qu'avant d'avoir la...

t.me

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

This is a post from Gonzalo from about an hour ago.
He made the exact same and if I remember correctly the identical one on Telegram a month or a month and a half ago.
I can't find it now. I am sure he was sitting in his apartment in Kharkov at the time and wrote about the lack of toilet paper.
Why did he make two identical entries every month and a half?
Strange? Maybe just to me?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523226066323660800

Is clearly different, in the first publication he makes his discovery known and in the second he exposes it as the best thing that has happened to him in Ukraine.

 

[Voyageur]

Thanks for sharing. Chilling to hear the Bombard lady describing Z. as someone without emotions but I wouldn't be surprised if she's right. I'm glad I don't have to watch all 60 minutes of this utter propaganda piece!

And the 60 Minutes interviewer describing Z – "Hero of the free world," and "Charlie Chaplin morphed into Winston Churchill" (although, the guy at 60 Minutes guy has no clue of Churchill’s historical madness - perhaps Z and he are closer than one thinks). Has anyone noticed how the press has been making Z/Churchill references? Look it up as indeed it is being referenced.

The interviewer also states that Z is "the most admired leader in the world." Bombard’s comment is that, paraphrased, Zalinsky is a little Napoleon.

People might be interested in checking out Douglas Valentine's interview on the history of Ukraine (and other areas) as it relates to the CIA. Moreover, part of the discussion reaches back to post WWI 1920’s 'Foreign Policy Association' – precursor network for global U.S. businesses overseas. It established intelligence networks – it later used the created OSS which changed to the CIA (Inc.) run by these private individuals (legal firms - the backbone), including the World Commerce Corporation (see here) - which grabbed many academics. People like Kissinger becomes the librarians, the recruiters et cetera.

Valentine also discussed Project Aerodynamics (psychological control system) - more or less a Gladio:

Snip:

Doug Valentine Interview - The CIA's Dark & Criminal History In Ukraine & Around The World

Joining me today is author and independent journalist Douglas Valentine, here to discuss the extremely dark history of the CIA, as well as the OSS before it, and the overtly criminal conduct of the agency, as it acted (and continues to act) unilaterally in the interests not of the American...

www.thelastamericanvagabond.com

As an aside, from the World Commerce Corporation (the early amalgamation):

World Commerce Corporation​

Individuals involved in WCC:

• William Horrigan -- president -- OSS veteran
• John Pepper -- vice president
• Ricardo Sicre -- vice president -- OSS
• B.H. Boncompagni -- general counsel -- some kinfd of Italian prince from an ancient money family
• Edward Blick -- director
• James F. Cavagnaro -- director -- VP of Transamerica, the holding company that owns Bank of America
• W.W. Cumberland -- director -- expert on Latin American economies, had been part of the John Foster Dulles Paris Peace Conference delegation, advisor to the State Department, financial advisor to the Haitian government, member of the New York Stock Exchange
• William Donovan -- director
• Daniel de Menocal -- director
• Russell Forgan -- director -- OSS, investment banker, had been involved in the committees that set up the CIA
• Joseph Grew -- director
• L. Boyd Hatch -- director -- investment banker, business partner of Floyd Odhum, who owned RKO before selling it to Howard Hughes. Hatch and Odum developed Pine Glenn Clove, a private retreat for the New York and Hollywood bigwigs located in Utah
• Frank Ryan -- director
• William Stephenson -- director
• Edward Stettinius -- director

Companies mentioned in the WCC 1945 papers

• British-American-Canadian Corporation
• Keswick Marine Panama S.A. (see Jardine-Matheson file)
• Weyerhauser Steamship Company: the maritime subsidiary of the Weyerhauser logging and mining complex, based in canada
• Bechtel Brothers-McCone International Company: the Bechtel conglomerate's division set up to handle projects in Saudi Arabia
• Sun-Douglas Shipping Corporation: no available information on this company other than it was registered in Panama and appears in the Panama Papers. Wondering if this is connected to Sun Oil, because they had a subsidiary, Sun Shipbuilding.
• Seven Seas Shipping Company: principles unknown, appears to have been set up in the 1930s.
• International Corporation Company: one of the most generic names I've ever seen

Asbestos Mining in Venezuela Asbestos mining in Venezuela was monopolized by a company called AMVECO, which is listed in 1950s trade journals as a "partner" of WCC. WCC seems to have been involved in the 'modernization' of the Venezuelan asbestos industry, bringing AMVECO together with specialty tool manufacturers to produce more effective extraction and processing methods. It also seems to have worked closely with the Venezuelan government in building roads etc to increase traffic to and from mining sites. Spanish tourism WCC was, according to 1950s trade journals, deeply involved in the promotion of Spanish tourism, and undertook both a series of development projects and currency trading operations to spurr this growth. Interestingly, the Ryans frequented Spain, and Sicre lived there for some time in this period. Sicre appears in a series of columns written by an 'adventure' journalist named Robert Ruark -- and curiously enough, the inventory list of the Ruark archives shows extensive correspondence between Ruark and the WCC. Ruark's Spanish columns might be something like 'guerrilla marketing' for Spanish tourism -- they are exotic, filled with intrigue, and peppered with celebrities. In one column on Spanish bull fighting, he describes himself as part of a "secret society that strides the world" -- and mentions not only Sicre and the Ryans as members, but Texas oilman Jake Hamon as well (he was discussed in the JFK ep). What Ruark omits -- but was discovered by Ralph Ganis and Halk Albarelli -- was that Otto Skorzeny was part of this scene, and in fact lived in the same building as Ruark and Sicre. Skorzeny at this time was involved in a series of business ventures in Spain, including one that involved Texas oilmen (Degolyer and Crichton). So it seems like a neat little circle. More Ruark Many of Ruark's columns featuring Sicre involve safaris in Africa. One is about hanging out at Safarilandia in Mozambique with the reserve's owner, a German named Werner Alvensleben. Alvensleben was a former SS officer during WW2 who had been secretly working for the OSS. Another episode involves Ruark, Sicre, the actor William Holden (who also lived in the same building as Ruark, Sicre and Skorzeny), and a professional gambler/failed oilman/California real estate developer for the stars named Ray Ryan on a Safari in Kenya. Sicre and Ruark convince Holden and Ruark to purchase the property, which becomes known as the Safari Club. What makes this interesting is that the Safari Club is later sold by Holden and Ryan to Edward Moss of the CIA -- whose CIA file, incidentally, described his "longstanding connections to organized crime". Moss, in turn, brought Adnan Khashoggi into the Safari Club, who became its new owner. It was under these auspices that the 'Safari Club', organized by French and Middle Eastern intelligence services during Carter's reform-the-CIA efforts, was launched. Shackley's network would work closely with the Safari Club, and it was also the Safari Club that was the main driver behind the formation of BCCI. Curiously, around the time this was happening, Ray Ryan was killed by a bomb wired to the ignition switch of his car. The murder was never solved. The Silk King WCC principles had a close relationship with Thailand. William Stephenson, for example, was a personal friend of the Thai royal family, and the extended web of dealings with the KMT seeped down through these networks. For a Bangkok representative of the WCC, Donovan brought in James Thompson, who had served in the OSS in France before running the OSS Thailand Station. After the war, Thompson set up the Thai Silk Company Limited, which was financed by the WCC. Tourist Villas in JamaicaImmediately adjacent to the estates in Jamaica purchased by Stephenson, Wiseman, Donovan, etc -- Paul Raigorodsky organizes a venture called the Tryall Club Raigorodsky -- worked for DeGolyer, close friend of Jake Hamon, friend of Mohrenschildt, connected to the Tolstoy Foundation Other investors: other Dallas interests, Winthrop Rockefeller, and John Pringle & Peter Kerr-Jerrett -- involved in other development ventures with the Bronfmans, KeswicksStephenson & Co. in Canada Stephenson was connected to the Cement & General Development Corp, which carried out some of the development efforts in Jamaica. Along with the Harrimans and the Canadian government, Cement & General Development Corp became shareholders in the Newfoundland & Labrador Company, a public-private industrial conglomerate that was awarded extensive mining and logging concessions, given contracts to build hydro-electric plants, etc. Stephenson subsequently stepped down from Cement & General Development Corp and joined the Newfoudland & Labrador Company as chairman. At the same time that Newfoundland & Labrador was going to work, a second company, the British Newfoundland Corp, also arrived on the scene. The press reported the British Newfoundland Corp as a competitor -- but a glance through its backers shows that it emerges from the same network as the Newfoundland & Labrador Company. It has been organized by Nathan Rothschild, and the De Beer's partner Anglo-American, Rio Tinto, Hambros Bank, and Robert Benson Company.