Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine
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Niall's post also contained this:
My uneducated guess is that when they flew over there again with helicopters, they could have dropped some surface drones, that could move or hold positions, while being able to communicate up with satellites or other stations via radio signals but also communicate with the underwater installations via some sonar signals or just send a simple trigger signal.
As far as I understood from the context of Tucker's discussion about the gas leakage in the Baltic sea is that he intended to give an example of the action=reaction law, that is, what could be Russia's reaction as a consequence to the US' reckless and psychopathic action of sabotaging the NS1 and NS2 pipes. Thus, to my understanding, him implying that the US apparatus doesn't give a flying pig about the consequences of their crazy psychopathic actions. FWIW
Comments on speculations
I call it speculations, because there is no hard evidence.
Well, what to think about this? Fact of fiction? One could split up the points and then discuss each in turn:
If the Russians have information, and they share it, then we will see if anyone becomes uncomfortable. It can happen, even if they do not say anything. Perhaps the fact that they claim they can only investigate in two weeks, means they are thinking about it, or are they thinking where to position themselves. If that is the case, then Russia might act before.
What different players say now, and how they respond, will help us find out more. Perhaps someone else has an opinion about the above TG post. One point of view does not exclude the other.
I call it speculations, because there is no hard evidence.
And in Russian, posted at 13:05, which would be 15:05 in Moscow and 12:05 in the UK.Posted yesterday:
Образ будущего
Интересно, а что будет, если Датское и Шведское правительства и их общество узнают, что в сегодняшнем сводном докладе в Белый дом и Конгресс США пришел открытый доклад, что в районе Борнхольмской впадины проводили учения уже третьи сутки британские аквалангисты из Королевского морского флота? А...t.me
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I wonder what will happen when the Danish and Swedish governments and their societies find out that in today's summary report to the White House and the US Congress there is an open report that British divers from the Royal Navy have been conducting drills in the Bornholm depression for the third day already?
And what will be the consternation of the European bureaucrats in Brussels when they, too, see at NATO headquarters the response of a secret US research institute, part of the Pentagon, that they sold two state-of-the-art underwater robots to operate in depths of up to 150 metres on 23 August? And how will relations between the United Kingdom and the European Union be affected by the fact that two sailors of HIS Majesty's Navy will be honoured today for their services in combat and for conducting important activities in foreign territorial waters, scheduled for 7pm Moscow time?
And how will the entire civilized Western world survive if the Israeli government publishes yesterday's report of the Mossad on the successful sabotage of the Russian energy infrastructure by the PMCs under the command of the U.S. 6th Fleet?
Well, what to think about this? Fact of fiction? One could split up the points and then discuss each in turn:
Considering the timing of other events, it has the signs of something that was planned well in advance, the bombs could have been activated remotely. But of course it would be possible in principle to confirm if there was a drill around this time. And if there was a drill, there may be some who got distinctions. What we know for sure is that there were drills earlier. Regarding any reaction, I don't think much would happen. The Governments would not say anything, and their societies might never know. The idea that the UK could be involved is not bad, and when I first saw the claim it was the US, I thought why not the UK. During 9/11 there were alliances, but also double crosses, or are we past such a possibility? The British have many gas lines in the North Sea, and would be familiar with what to do. On the other hand, familiarity can be gained, by anyone practising diving and engineering enough hours.
This would mean that it was written on Monday if it refers to the day of explosions. Or is it the honouring that will take place, which then would place it Tuesday, provided it was written and posted the same day. Two people might be what it took to operate, one wouldn't like a whole crowd, for sure. Assuming the hypothesis is true, I think the bureaucrats would be quiet. How many spoke up during Covid? They are paid to keep state secrets and withhold embarrassing information.
They wouldn't react, wouldn't dare. Think of 9/11. Questions would be, where was the sabotage of Russian energy infrastructure, or does that actually allude to Bornholm? The 6th Fleet is stationed in the Mediterranean Sea. The ingredients of the story could be shuffled in many ways and still be meaningful. How does one make it likely that something is true.
If the Russians have information, and they share it, then we will see if anyone becomes uncomfortable. It can happen, even if they do not say anything. Perhaps the fact that they claim they can only investigate in two weeks, means they are thinking about it, or are they thinking where to position themselves. If that is the case, then Russia might act before.
What different players say now, and how they respond, will help us find out more. Perhaps someone else has an opinion about the above TG post. One point of view does not exclude the other.
Does anybody remember reading the book "Mother of Storms"? If I remember correctly, some kind of military engagement bombed the arctic in that book releasing a whole load of methane into the atmosphere which then led to global superstorms and the bringing on of an ice age or something like that. Anybody remember?
Anyway, I thought about that today when I was reading news about the apparent bombing of the gas pipelines. I wondered if what was in that book could have been 'creative prophecy', even if the events involved are not exact matches?
It is interesting that at the same time as this sabotage event in the Baltic, there is a huge hurricane bearing down on Florida, as though elements of that book are playing out in real time.
Anyway, I thought about that today when I was reading news about the apparent bombing of the gas pipelines. I wondered if what was in that book could have been 'creative prophecy', even if the events involved are not exact matches?
It is interesting that at the same time as this sabotage event in the Baltic, there is a huge hurricane bearing down on Florida, as though elements of that book are playing out in real time.
I would think what the honorable Member of the European Parliament has published is actually the truth.
No matter who really conducted the attack (CIA, MI6 or other accomplices) it would have had to be ordered by the people who control the Biden government.
I think Mr. Sikorski reacted on a joyous impulse seeing decades of his work coming to fruition.
I'm reminded of what the C's once said, "The Poles know best."
John Helmer is putting the pipeline explosion on the Poles, with help from US of course:
THE BORNHOLM BLOW-UP REPEATS THE BORNHOLM BASH — POLAND ATTACKS GERMANY AND BLAMES RUSSIA
THE BORNHOLM BLOW-UP REPEATS THE BORNHOLM BASH — POLAND ATTACKS GERMANY AND BLAMES RUSSIA
The military operation on Monday night which fired munitions to blow holes in the Nord Stream I and Nord Stream II pipelines on the Baltic Sea floor, near Bornholm Island, was executed by the Polish Navy and special forces.
It was aided by the Danish and Swedish military; planned and coordinated with US intelligence and technical support; and approved by the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.
The operation is a repeat of the Bornholm Bash operation of April 2021, which attempted to sabotage Russian vessels laying the gas pipes, but ended in ignominious retreat by the Polish forces. That was a direct attack on Russia. This time the attack is targeting the Germans, especially the business and union lobby and the East German voters, with a scheme to blame Moscow for the troubles they already have — and their troubles to come with winter.
Morawiecki is bluffing. “It is a very strange coincidence,” he has announced, “that on the same day that the Baltic Gas Pipeline opens, someone is most likely committing an act of sabotage. This shows what means the Russians can resort to in order to destabilize Europe. They are to blame for the very high gas prices”. The truth bubbling up from the seabed at Bornholm is the opposite of what Morawiecki says.
But the political value to Morawiecki, already running for the Polish election in eleven months’ time, is his government’s claim to have solved all of Poland’s needs for gas and electricity through the winter — when he knows that won’t come true.
Inaugurating the 21-year old Baltic Pipe project from the Norwegian and Danish gas networks, Morawiecki announced: “This gas pipeline is the end of the era of dependence on Russian gas. It is also a gas pipeline of security, sovereignty and freedom not only for Polish, but in the future, also for others…[Opposition Civic Platform leader Donald] Tusk’s government preferred Russian gas. They wanted to conclude a deal with the Russians even by 2045…thanks to the Baltic Pipe, extraction from Polish deposits, LNG supply from the USA and Qatar, as well as interconnection with its neighbours, Poland is now secured in terms of gas supplies.”
Civic Platform’s former defence and foreign minister Radek Sikorski also celebrated the Bornholm Blow-up. “As we say in Polish, a small thing, but so much joy”. “Thank you USA,” Sikorski added, diverting the credit for the operation, away from domestic rival Morawiecki to President Joseph Biden; he had publicly threatened to sabotage the line in February. Biden’s ambassador in Warsaw is also backing Sikorski’s Civic Platform party to replace Morawiecki next year.
The attack not only escalates the Polish election campaign. It also continues the Morawiecki government’s plan to attack Germany, first by reviving the reparations claim for the invasion and occupation of 1939-45; and second, by targeting alleged German complicity, corruption, and appeasement in the Russian scheme to rule Europe at Poland’s expense. .
“The appeasement policy towards Putin”, announced PISM, the official government think tank in Warsaw in June, “is part of an American attempt to free itself from its obligations of maintaining peace in Europe. The bargain is that Americans will allow Putin to finish building the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in exchange for Putin’s commitment not use it to blackmail Eastern Europe. Sounds convincing? Sounds like something you heard before? It’s not without reason that Winston Churchill commented on the American decision-making process: ‘Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.’ However, by pursuing such a policy now, the Biden administration takes even more responsibility for the security of Europe, including Ukraine, which is the stake for subsequent American mistakes.”
“Where does this place Poland? Almost 18 years ago the Federal Republic of Germany, our European ally, decided to prioritize its own business interests with Putin’s Russia over solidarity and cooperation with allies in Central Europe. It was a wrong decision to make and all Polish governments – regardless of political differences – communicated this clearly and forcefully to Berlin. But since Putin succeeded in corrupting the German elite and already decided to pay the price of infamy, ignoring the Polish objections was the only strategy Germany was left with.”
The explosions at Bornholm are the new Polish strike for war in Europe against Chancellor Olaf Scholz. So far the Chancellery in Berlin is silent, tellingly.
Follow on the map where the Bornholm Blow-up – three simultaneous bomb or torpedo explosions – was arranged.
The Nord Stream operating company posted first notice of the attack on its website on the evening of September 26. “Tonight [Swiss time] the dispatchers of the Nord Stream 1 control centre registered a pressure drop on both lines of the gas pipeline. The reasons are being investigated.”
The following morning the company added: “The significant pressure drop caused by the gas leak on both lines of the gas pipeline registered yesterday leads to a strong assumption of the pipeline physical damage. Nord Stream AG immediately informed the relevant coast guards about the incident. The positions of two assumed damages have been identified and are located north-east from Bornholm in Swedish and Danish EEZ, respectively. Currently the Swedish and Danish maritime authorities established a 5nm safety zone around the identified locations (Nautical information | Danish Maritime Authority (dma.dk)). Nord Stream AG has started mobilization of all necessary resources for a survey campaign to assess the damages in cooperation exchange with relevant local authorities. Currently, it is not possible to estimate a timeframe for restoring the gas transport infrastructure. The causes of the incident will be clarified as a result of the investigation.” The European sanctions regime blocked company officials from investigating at the site.
Russian satellite, aviation, and electronic monitoring of the area is comprehensive; Ukrainian double-agents corroborate. The Russian account of what happened is provided in this summary of open sources by Gazeta.ru. The military preparations in the days and hours before the blasts have not been disclosed, yet.
“The operator company Nord Stream said that at the same time destruction was recorded on three lines of the offshore gas pipelines Nord Stream and Nord Stream–2. ‘The destruction that occurred in one day simultaneously on three lines of offshore gas pipelines of the Nord Stream system is unprecedented. It is impossible to estimate the time frame for restoring the operability of the gas transportation infrastructure,’ the operator of Nord Stream noted.”
“The Kremlin is concerned about the situation. ‘This is very disturbing news. We are talking about some kind of destruction in the pipe of an unclear nature in the Danish economic zone,’ said Dmitry Peskov, press secretary of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Kremlin spokesman stressed that the pressure in the gas pipelines had dropped significantly: ‘This is a completely unprecedented situation that requires urgent investigation.’ Peskov noted that the nature of the destruction is unknown. Sabotage is not excluded. ‘No option can be ruled out now. Obviously, there is some kind of destruction of the pipe. And what was the reason – before the results of the research appear, it is impossible to exclude any option,’ Putin’s press secretary added.”
“The opinion that the destruction occurred because of someone’s ‘ill will’ was expressed earlier by the deputy head of the National Energy Security Fund Alexei Grivach. ‘If a leak on one line could still be an accident, the consequence of a defect or an involuntary impact, then on three [lines] it is clearly someone’s ill will. Well, who is fighting with Russian gas in Europe is not really hiding,’ RIA Novosti quotes him as saying. Grivach believes that it will take months to repair the gas pipeline lines. ‘The representative of the operator company Ulrich Lissek drew attention to the fact that it is difficult to determine the causes of the pressure drop due to ‘the sanctions regime and the lack of personnel on the ground.’ On the night of September 26, a leak occurred on one of the lines of the Nord Stream-2 pipeline. According to the representative of Nord Stream 2 AG, Ulrich Lissek, ‘in some place’ along the pipeline, ‘most likely a hole has appeared.’ He said that in normal mode, the pressure inside the gas pipeline lines ‘is 105 bar“, but on the German segment it has decreased to 7 bar. The Danish Maritime Administration has discovered damage to a gas pipeline near the island of Bornholm. Presumably, the alleged point of emergency is located in the exclusive economic zone – just beyond the border of the territorial waters of Denmark. The leak was located at the position of 54 °52.60′ north latitude— 015 ° 24.60′ east longitude, writes RBK.”
For RBK’s coverage, including surface filming by the Danes of gas bubbling above the pipeline holes, click.
This is what the government in Warsaw arranged at Bornholm a year and five months ago. At that time Morawiecki was prime minister; the German chancellor was Angela Merkel. The official Warsaw innuendo in Merkel’s direction was more restrained than it is now against Scholz.
Left: Angela Merkel; right, Mateusz Morawiecki. Source: http://johnhelmer.net/
Then the Polish spokesman for the security and intelligence services, Stanislaw Żaryn, launched a stream of accusations on his Twitter account. According to Zaryn, Russian public disclosure of the Baltic engagements was “information warfare” intended as a “pretext for launching activities aimed at enhancing its military presence in the Baltic region”. He went on: “#NordStream2 may be used by #Russia as a pretext for the deployment of its naval forces along pipeline’s route. This may lead to a partial closure of the Baltic Sea.”
Now Zaryn’s innuendo is plainer. What Zaryn means to say is that Germany “jeopardizes the security of Poland”.
Western propaganda media have tried to create the appearance of German government approval for the Polish attack.
“Denmark, Germany and Poland warn of ‘sabotage’ after Nord Stream leaks”, the Financial Times, the Japanese platform in London, headlined: “Berlin says Russia’s involvement cannot be excluded after damage to gas pipelines at centre of Europe’s energy crisis.” Scholz and his ministers were not quoted. Instead, low-ranking, anonymous “German officials said there was concern in Berlin that the sudden loss of pressure in both pipelines could be the result of a ‘targeted attack’. They added that Russia’s involvement could ‘not be excluded’, but said Germany was not involved in the investigation being run by Denmark and Sweden.”
In Washington, the local newspaper claimed “European leaders blame Russian ‘sabotage’ after Nord Stream explosions”, quoting Danes, Swedes, Poles, Ukrainians, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and “five European officials with direct knowledge of security discussions [who] said there was a widespread assumption that Russia was behind the incident. Only Russia had the motivation, the submersible equipment and the capability, several of them said.” Not a single German government official could be found to speak by the newspaper’s Berlin bureau.
The temptation for Morawiecki to break out of the political stalemate he and his Law and Justice (PiS) party have been in since June has also been driven by fear that, following the fresh Russian reinforcements, the Ukrainian battlefield will move west and south; Ukrainian electric light and heat will be cut off; and millions of fresh refugees will attempt to cross into Poland again.
Tracking polls for Polish voter intentions illustrate the flat lines for the two leading parties, and the potential growth of the left and right minority parties. On September 1, the PiS party leader launched the Polish reparations attack on Germany, declaring “we have also taken the decision as to the further steps…We will turn to Germany to open negotiations on the reparations.” The move didn’t shift the party’s poll rating. The Bornholm Blow-up was already in planning for three weeks later.
Source: https://www.politico.eu/
Independent Warsaw political analyst Stanislas Balcerac comments: “Poland is not a place where brainstorms happen. Only the brainless Sikkie [Sikorski] is having his day.”
Yes, I remember reading it back then. Looking through it now, I can see that the year for this scifi book is set in 2028 and 4 mininukes are dropped over the North pole.
In the book (page 20) the dissolving clathrates triggers landslides and collapses under the sea. In the book the amount of methane released in a few days is in the order of 173 billion metric tons.
The amount in the damaged pipelines being released is a lot but vastly less than what is described in the book. The numbers from the book correspond to what was talked about at the time if I remember correctly and that part was based more or less on facts. The scenario in the book sounded plausible. I think Whitley Strieber and Art Bell made their book, Global Superstorm, plagiarizing to some extent or picking a number of things from "Mother of Storms".
What's so mind-numbingly funny about this clever tweet is that of course back in Sept 2001 we were all told by straight faced news anchors that the passport fallen from the fireball in the sky, and thankfully picked up, undamaged on a sidewalk in New York, was prima facie evidence of heinous Muslim crimes... and here we are laughing at the absurdity of this cartoon, slapstick 'proving' that Putin's passport did it!! Satire is dead; reality is now satire.
From RT:
Germany was forewarned ahead of this weeks attack on gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, Der Spiegel claimed on Tuesday.
The CIA told Berlin "weeks ago" that the Russian Nord Stream infrastructure was vulnerable, according to the magazine.
Officials are now investigating after a massive gas leak appeared off the Danish island of Bornholm and seismologists confirmed detecting explosions on the sea floor.
A tip from the US spy agency was “received in Berlin during the summer,” the outlet said, citing “several people familiar with the matter.” Officially, however, the federal government declined to comment on intelligence-related matters.
German security services are currently examining satellite imagery of the area where the explosions occurred, but see only “unremarkable” naval traffic, according to Spiegel. They are also convinced that only a state actor could have done this, suggesting “divers or a mini-submarine” could have installed mines or explosives on the pipeline.
www.rt.com
Germany was forewarned ahead of this weeks attack on gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, Der Spiegel claimed on Tuesday.
The CIA told Berlin "weeks ago" that the Russian Nord Stream infrastructure was vulnerable, according to the magazine.
Officials are now investigating after a massive gas leak appeared off the Danish island of Bornholm and seismologists confirmed detecting explosions on the sea floor.
A tip from the US spy agency was “received in Berlin during the summer,” the outlet said, citing “several people familiar with the matter.” Officially, however, the federal government declined to comment on intelligence-related matters.
German security services are currently examining satellite imagery of the area where the explosions occurred, but see only “unremarkable” naval traffic, according to Spiegel. They are also convinced that only a state actor could have done this, suggesting “divers or a mini-submarine” could have installed mines or explosives on the pipeline.
CIA warned Germany of pipeline attack – Spiegel
German media claim the CIA had warned Berlin about a possible attack on Nord Stream pipelines weeks before it happened
Looks about right. Hey, he managed to not mix up the mask and the breathing apparatus!! Is 'Dr' Jill is swimming around behind him in case he forgets how to breathe and gave him waterproof notes on how how to push the button...
