That is called a desperate attempt, what's sad is that I can see people absolutely buying into that very narrative.
Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine
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Putin addressed the Wagner rebellion at the Valdai discussion. He even took a share of responsibility for what happened. He wasn't specifically asked about the rebellion, he volunteered the information to those gathered. I jotted these down on the fly, so some of the meaning may be lost:
- the rebellion was unfortunate, but now Russia knows how to deal with such groups a little better
- there was no legal status for PMCs in Russia, and all talk of Wagner being a 'PMC' is a Western designation imported onto a very nebulous and confused structure
- Wagner was internally divided, with its own rich leadership and poor followers
- the Russian state paid in cash and did not guarantee social support, (which may have lead to a feeling of uncertainty that can be exploited?)
- Putin is unsure as to what the future of 'PMC's of Russia might be, but a legal framework is a must
- fragments of a grenade found in the bodies of the dead of the Wagner leadership, indicating internal explosion and not an outside attack
- bodies were not tested for drugs or alcohol, but 10 billion rubles and 5 kg of cocaine found in Wagner's office by investigators
- the rebellion was unfortunate, but now Russia knows how to deal with such groups a little better
- there was no legal status for PMCs in Russia, and all talk of Wagner being a 'PMC' is a Western designation imported onto a very nebulous and confused structure
- Wagner was internally divided, with its own rich leadership and poor followers
- the Russian state paid in cash and did not guarantee social support, (which may have lead to a feeling of uncertainty that can be exploited?)
- Putin is unsure as to what the future of 'PMC's of Russia might be, but a legal framework is a must
- fragments of a grenade found in the bodies of the dead of the Wagner leadership, indicating internal explosion and not an outside attack
- bodies were not tested for drugs or alcohol, but 10 billion rubles and 5 kg of cocaine found in Wagner's office by investigators
Mind you, the war harpy herself is saying that we have to fight against Americans who "side" with Putin.. that is, anyone who disagrees with her position on anything.
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Vladimir Poutine au forum de Valdaï « Nous n’avons pas déclenché la guerre en Ukraine, nous essayons d’y mettre fin. L'opération militaire spéciale a pour objectif de mettre fin à la guerre que mène l’Occident depuis dix ans. » – Poutine Autres déclarations du président russe à Valdaï ...
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La prospérité de l'Occident a été largement obtenue grâce au pillage de la planète entière et à une expansion sans fin - Poutine Autres déclarations du président russe à Valdaï : ▪️Nous étions engagés dans le soutien aux habitants de Crimée et de Sébastopol, nous ne les avons pas intimidés par...
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Qui êtes-vous de toute façon? – Poutine à l’Occident Qu'a dit d'autre le président russe : ▪️On nous dit : « nous devons vivre selon les règles ». Par quelles règles ? Qui a établi ces règles ? ▪️Frottez-vous les yeux, l'ère du colonialisme est révolue - et ne reviendra jamais ▪️La crise...
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La réponse de la Russie à une éventuelle frappe nucléaire sur son territoire est absolument inacceptable pour tout agresseur : l'ennemi n'aura aucune chance de survie. Le président ne voit pas la nécessité d’abaisser le seuil d’application de la doctrine : « ce n’est pas nécessaire, mais...
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Poutine a qualifié les explosions du Nord Stream d'actes de terrorisme international et a déclaré que la Russie n'était pas autorisée à participer à l'enquête. Autres déclarations : — Poutine a qualifié les États-Unis de principal intérêt dans la destruction des Nord Streams. — Il ne reste...
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Relations between China and Russia are a stabilizing factor in the world;The BRICS format does not impose anything on anyone, but is dedicated to the search for compromise;I did not go to the BRICS and G20 summits because “there is enough to do at home” and “not to create problems for my friends”;We have never spoken negatively about Ukraine's membership in the EU, but we are categorically opposed to its membership in NATO;Algeria is our friend in North Africa, but we must work on its potential entry into BRICS with all our friends in the organization.
It doesn't make much sense in light of what's been known (if true) so far.
Interior grenade explosion, with its fragments found in the passengers' bodies, must have taken place in the aircraft fuselage, I guess. With fuselage damage and possibly sudden decompression (depending on the damage). I just cannot see how that would compute with broken off wing and the fuselage more or less intact on the ground after the crash.
Two possibilities I can think of:
- either the grenade fragments have been sitting in the bodies for a long time, from earlier battles and injuries, and they are preparing a sabotage/ treachery conclusion and perhaps testing how this narrative is received; or
- the videos of the falling plane were fake; the early official reports of the wing and the back of the plane found in two other locations both far away from the crash site, and the fuselage being only slightly damaged - were all lies.
(FWIW!) In the TG/blogosphere, the dominating theory, based on leaks and inside knowledge (real or made up), is explosives placed in the chassis compartment, most likely in the Moscow airport's airdock where the jet was undergoing some minor repairs. Allegedly, despite all airport security measures, there were two visits to the airdock shortly before the fatal flight. And it's been pretty consistent thorough the whole time.
I am surprised by the approach of the West. Now everyone is talking with one voice about whether Zelensky will go to negotiations with Russia, as if this is some kind of serious problem. He will go to negotiations, and if he does not go, then he will run, and if he does not run, then he will crawl, and if he does not go, does not run and does not crawl, then someone else will do it instead of him in due time. At the same time, almost no one, except maybe Ritter and McGregor, discusses the topic, and why the hell is Russia needs these negotiations in the existing conditions? Probably this is what C's has already been mentioned many times as "wishful thinking" .
Очень серьезно. В Британии ужаснулись из-за катастрофы на Украине
Меня удивляет подход Запада. Сейчас все в один голос рассуждают о том пойдет ли Зеленский на переговоры с Россией, как будто это какая то серьезная проблема. Он пойдет на переговоры, а если не пойдет, то побежит, а если не побежит, то поползет, а если не пойдет, не побежит и не поползет, то это сделает кто то другой вместо него в свое время. При этом почти никто, кроме может быть Риттера и МакГрегора не рассуждает на тему, а на кой черт России эти переговоры в существующих условиях? Наверное в этом выражается уже много раз упомянутое C's "wishful thinking".
Alrighty then! 
Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a speech on October 5 at the plenary session of the 20th meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club in Sochi and emphasized the tectonic and irreversible shifts taking place in the global order.
According to Putin, globalists including Schwab and his close advisors are “legitimate military targets” because they have been actively attempting to seize power illegally via a globalist coup d’etat.
President Vladimir Putin argued today that Moscow ‘s mission is to create a ‘new world’, blaming Western hegemony for starting the war in Ukraine in a ranting anti-US speech. ‘We did not start the so-called war in Ukraine. On the contrary – we are trying to finish it,’ Putin said during the Valdai political forum in the Black Sea resort of Sochi. ‘We are tasked, essentially, with building a new world,’ he added. Putin said that no one in the world in their right mind would use nuclear weapons against Russia, and that potential enemies knew about the nation’s nuclear arsenal.
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It's going to be Russia's version of Build Back Better!
Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a speech on October 5 at the plenary session of the 20th meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club in Sochi and emphasized the tectonic and irreversible shifts taking place in the global order.
According to Putin, globalists including Schwab and his close advisors are “legitimate military targets” because they have been actively attempting to seize power illegally via a globalist coup d’etat.
Putin Warns ‘Globalist Terrorist’ Klaus Schwab His ‘Days Are Numbered’
President Vladimir Putin argued today that Moscow ‘s mission is to create a ‘new world’, blaming Western hegemony for starting the war in Ukraine in a ranting anti-US speech. ‘We did not start the so-called war in Ukraine. On the contrary – we are trying to finish it,’ Putin said during the Valdai political forum in the Black Sea resort of Sochi. ‘We are tasked, essentially, with building a new world,’ he added. Putin said that no one in the world in their right mind would use nuclear weapons against Russia, and that potential enemies knew about the nation’s nuclear arsenal.
Putin Declares Klaus Schwab & His Close Advisors Are “Legitimate Military Targets”
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It's going to be Russia's version of Build Back Better!
Vladimir Putin at the Valdai forum“We did not start the war in Ukraine, we are trying to end it. The special military operation aims to put an end to the war that the West has been waging for ten years. " - PoutineOther statements by the Russian president to Valdai:
Boris Karpov 🇷🇺 📣 Chroniques de Russie
Vladimir Poutine au forum de Valdaï « Nous n’avons pas déclenché la guerre en Ukraine, nous essayons d’y mettre fin. L'opération militaire spéciale a pour objectif de mettre fin à la guerre que mène l’Occident depuis dix ans. » – Poutine Autres déclarations du président russe à Valdaï ...
Western prosperity was largely achieved through plundering the entire planet and endless expansion - PutinOther statements by the Russian president to Valdai:
Boris Karpov 🇷🇺 📣 Chroniques de Russie
La prospérité de l'Occident a été largement obtenue grâce au pillage de la planète entière et à une expansion sans fin - Poutine Autres déclarations du président russe à Valdaï : ▪️Nous étions engagés dans le soutien aux habitants de Crimée et de Sébastopol, nous ne les avons pas intimidés par...
Who are you anyway? – Putin to the WestWhat else did the Russian president say:
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Qui êtes-vous de toute façon? – Poutine à l’Occident Qu'a dit d'autre le président russe : ▪️On nous dit : « nous devons vivre selon les règles ». Par quelles règles ? Qui a établi ces règles ? ▪️Frottez-vous les yeux, l'ère du colonialisme est révolue - et ne reviendra jamais ▪️La crise...
Russia's response to a possible nuclear strike on its territory is absolutely unacceptable for any aggressor: the enemy will have no chance of survival.The president does not see the need to lower the threshold for applying the doctrine: “it is not necessary, but why”.
Boris Karpov 🇷🇺 📣 Chroniques de Russie
La réponse de la Russie à une éventuelle frappe nucléaire sur son territoire est absolument inacceptable pour tout agresseur : l'ennemi n'aura aucune chance de survie. Le président ne voit pas la nécessité d’abaisser le seuil d’application de la doctrine : « ce n’est pas nécessaire, mais...
Putin called the Nord Stream explosions acts of international terrorism and said Russia was not allowed to participate in the investigation.Other statements:— Putin called the United States the main stake in the destruction of the Nord Streams.— There remains only one arm of the Rivers, through which gas can be delivered to Europe, everything depends on the wishes of Germany.— Putin on the terrorist attacks on the Nord Streams: there are no results of the investigation and, most likely, there will be none.https://t.me/boriskarpovblog/16058If you deprive Ukraine of military aid, it will die in a week - PutinOther presidential statements:
Boris Karpov 🇷🇺 📣 Chroniques de Russie
Poutine a qualifié les explosions du Nord Stream d'actes de terrorisme international et a déclaré que la Russie n'était pas autorisée à participer à l'enquête. Autres déclarations : — Poutine a qualifié les États-Unis de principal intérêt dans la destruction des Nord Streams. — Il ne reste...
thank you very much for this summary. we must learn to condensate what we read: there is so much going on and our time is limited...
'Biden is asking ''once and for all'' aid for Ukraine.'
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Biden may request $100 billion for Ukraine – Telegraph
Joe Biden is reportedly considering a huge Ukraine aid request for Congress to resolve satisfy needs until after the 2024 election
Agreed. It doesn't make much sense for the owner of the plane to immediately flee the country if was just an 'unfortunate accident'.
This seems a lot more likely, imo. Keit's post here is looking rather prescient:
Well, all this was clear to normal people, but to corrupt UN officials, as they say in our country: piss in the eyes-everything is God's dew.
Захарова сочла слова Буданова по ЗАЭС «холодным душем» для ООН
Ну нормальным людям все это и так было понятно, а продажным ооновским чиновникам, как у нас говорят: ссы в глаза-всё божья роса.
The Russian Defense Ministry has published a new list of high-ranking participants in the military biological program in Ukraine.
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By Oleg Burunov - 4 hours ago
Russia Exposes New Members of Military Bio Programs in Ukraine
Moscow has repeatedly said that it wants explanations from Kiev and Washington on their military bio laboratories across the Ukrainian territory.
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Avdiivka is the closest to Donetsk and the most fortified area of the AFU positions. From the very beginning of SMO, the Russian forces have not been able to do anything with it yet. Maybe now it will be possible to dig out the ukies?
https://rusvesna.su/news/1696920175
Авдеевка наиболее близкий к Донецку и наиболее укрепленный район позиций ВСУ. С самого начала СВО Российские силы пока ничего не смогли с ним сделать. Может быть сейчас получится выковырять укров?
