Just a snippet from the Duran guys y'all might like:
Alex:
If you had a government that really cared about Ukraine they would have enforced Minsk 1, Minsk 2, they would have not torn up the March 2022 ceasefire agreement and they would not have listened to Boris Johnson and they definitely would not have listened to Biden and a Biden White House.
But we don't have that. Zelensky, his team, their very lives are tied into the war and I think that's that's a big problem I mean their their own self-preservation is tied to the continuation of this war.
The Europeans the EU their reputation and their power is tied into the war and tied into America's commitment to the war. Not only their power but a lot of their their money is tied into the United States commitment to this war and of course you have NATO.
NATO needs this war to continue. NATO needs to claim that they they achieve some sort of victory in this war because if they cannot say this, well NATO is is useless.
I believe Lavrov, he really said it best a couple of days ago, a week ago, when he said that what's really going on with NATO is that NATO has to achieve a victory in Ukraine or at least say that they achieved a victory in Ukraine because if they do not do this, well then NATO member states are going to ask questions about how good of an investment this business of NATO really is. Should I really allocate 3% of my budget to this Alliance which when all is said and done did not defeat the Russians in Ukraine?
So what do you think of of what I've just said to to close out the video?
Alexander:
You're absolutely correct and your point that you're making actually is that
NATO, the Zelensky government, the other supporters of the war, are ultimately more concerned about imagery and narrative construction than they are about reality.
So from their point of view if they can't achieve a victory in Ukraine, and I suspect that there are still some people who are deluded enough to think that they can, but that the majority no longer do, it's important to them not to negotiate because that would be an admission of defeat which they can never accept, and an admission that this defeat was probably unavoidable and was a defeat inflicted upon them by the Russians.
What they need to do or
what they think they need to do instead is to create a narrative of betrayal: that [it] is all the fault of JD Vance and Donald Trump and Rick Grenell and Elbridge Colby -- they've come along they've stolen Victory from Ukraine, and in fact if it had been otherwise, if there had been all that support for Ukraine that people had talked about, if Ukraine had been given the F-16s and the ATACMS missiles back in 2022 then it would have won. So this this is going to be the narrative that they're going to construct and their priority now is to create it. They're more concerned about that, than about anything else.
Alex:
well just to close out the video, the Trump campaign should not let them do this.
Alexander:
Of course not. Now Trump is a good communicator with the American people but the person who is particularly skilled at exploding all the myths here is JD Vance -- though Colby and Grenell have been pretty straightforward about it as well.
The thing that supporters of the war in the West never address, they've never addressed it at any point during the war, is the fact that resources are finite! There isn't an indefinite number of patriot missile interceptors, or Abram's tanks, or Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, or artillery shells, or any of the things that Ukraine would need in order to win the war. Ukraine does not have an infinite reserve of manpower that it can use to fight. So this is what this is all about ultimately.
It's about resources!
There aren't the resources to beat the Russians. It's it is as simple as this. And well obviously you have to address the lessons of that. You've got to work to try to get your defense plants and industrial base sorted. and perhaps a Trump - Vance Administration might get round to doing that, but it won't be easy either because of course
there are lots and lots of people in NATO, in the United States, who are very happy with the way things are, because as you've often said this is a grift, and the grift can only work if it continues in the way that it has been doing for so many years which is lots and lots of money for very little and sometimes for nothing at all.
Alex:
Absolutely, but the Trump team they have to start now to get the message out that you don't try to pin this -- this is the message that they have to get out -- don't try to pin the Ukraine collapse on us. This is all your fault, NATO, Biden White House, Sullivan, Blinken, Ursula - you guys got in this mess -- they have to get that message out there because -- actually we've said it in many videos over the past year, they're definitely going to try and pin the collapse [of] Ukraine on Trump -- if we get to this point, and we we've come to this point -- we said in many videos if we get get to this point, where things are looking favorable for a Trump election win and things are looking very bad for Ukraine, they're going to try and pin all of it on Trump so he's got to get on top of this with the messaging
. The truth! To say the truth!
Alexander:
The truth.
One of the interesting things by the way about that Reuters article about artillery shell production in the United States, is that it admitted that the problems that Ukraine is facing with shells [have] nothing to do with the delays by the Republicans in voting through that 61 billion dollar appropriation. That in fact, there just aren't enough shells, that is the problem.
Now that is the point that JD Vance was making right the way through. So he's got the facts on his side and that always helps you in any argument. I mean I should say that I mean I've seen this play out in many places in law, in academic work, and of course in politics -- if the facts are on your side, then however hard the other side tries to spin them, if you do your job properly you should always win.
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