Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

Well... I believe the" horror of our situation" can also be explained as follows:

Short of using nuclear weapons the West has no answer for the Oreshnik. For us the cognitive dissonance and the disinformation is brutal. Are we spectators to our own demise ?
In case the crazies succeed with any kind of nuclear response , and it is conceivable since they are fighting for survival too , the Russian retaliation will be final and deadly because it would be cataclysmic
The survival of Russia would demand it.
Today the controller, Russia , will confine its attack and inhibit its emotional response to " controlled " . High intelligence rules it. The decision maker is ethical .
If the Evil sabotage and succeed Hell will be Knocking at the West's door.
It will be horrendous and it will be unimaginable.
The uni polar Amerika That believes " I rule " will succumb to the retaliation.
There will be no containment nor survival for it.
There is no limited nuclear war.
" WE have not started anything in earnest yet . " [ Putin ].
 
You sound almost like "nevjerni Toma" (doubting Thomas). :-P:-D

Well, for almost 3 years now we are being told that nothing could remain hidden in this war because nowadays we have satellites and drones and smartphones. So when someone claims that an entire factory complex is turned into dust, I think that we should expect some proof of that. So far, only the Americans have proved that they can turn entire buildings into dust without using nuclear weaponry.
 
4000 degrees and some considerations
Even if the temperature in the Russian Oreshnik missile can reach 4000 degrees Celsius, the total amount of energy would be limited after all. Although the temperature in a commercial cigarette reaches 400 C during burning and up to 900 during a puff, the extent is local.

Below are a few considerations and calculations that might relate to the fast missiles that struck Dnepropetrovsk last week.

One possibility for materials that can withstand high temperatures are:
Ultra-high temperature ceramic
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4000 degrees is one thing, but we don't know much about the specific heat capacity of the materials used. A high heat capacity would be desirable, because then proportionately more mass of materials with much lower capacity could be heated and in the process damaged.

One paper states that the specific heat capacity is higher for ceramic materials than for metals. What that means is explained:

Specific Heat Capacity​

Heat Capacity is amount of heat required to raise material temperature by one unit.

Specific Heat Capacity is amount of heat required to raise temperature of unit mass of material by one unit:

c= ΔQ/(mΔT)

Where

c -specific heat capacity;

ΔQ – amount of heat;

m – material mass;

ΔT – temperature rise.

Specific Heat Capacity of ceramic materials is higher, than that of metals.


Compare:

“c” of alumina = 0.203 BTU/(lb*ºF) (850 J/(kg*K)).

“c” of steel = 0.115 BTU/(lb*ºF) (481 J/(kg*K)).
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If there is a high heat capacity, it would help to deliver a high amount of energy in the form of heat upon impact and that appears to be a quality of ceramic materials

Another paper explains that metallic ceramics have electronically conductive, which I take to mean that they can lead a current, but at the same time they do not conduct heat well, though it may be higher, at very low temperatures, which however isn't important in this context, but still worth mentioning, because it shows that physical properties of materials do not always develop linearly when the temperature changes.
Abstract
Transition metal carbides, nitrides, and borides can be called metallic ceramics because they are electronically conductive and extremely hard. Their various applications include cutting and grinding tools, thermal-barrier coatings, diffusion-resistant thin films, interconnects, and superconductivity devices. In each case, the ability of the material to resist or permit heat flow is important. Because of the high concentration of nonmetal atom vacancies in the carbides and nitrides, the carriers of heat—conduction electrons and phonons (the quanta of lattice waves)—are severely scattered, and the thermal conductivity, K, is strongly affected, although differently in high- and low-temperature regions. Measurements of both the electrical and thermal conductivity of single-crystal metallic ceramics at low temperatures and the application of the Callaway formalism help explain the puzzling temperature dependence of K. The finding of a large peak in K of NbC just below its superconducting transition temperature confirms phonon-electron scattering and could lead to a thermal switch. The single-crystal thermal conductivity behavior of TiC and WC is used to interpret the measured K values for cemented carbides TiC/Ni-Mo and WC/Co through a broad temperature range.
If the missiles had a cover of metallic ceramics it might help to prevent the electronics inside from being overheated, while at the same time making the missile able to withstand high temperatures generated from friction with the atmosphere and the result of the energy transformations needed for propulsion. Moreover if the ceramics are hard and resistant, they would penetrate well into an object upon entry and deliver the accumulated stored heat.

Some consideration of the kinetic energy contained in a fast moving object compared to that of a TNT equivalent
Ekin= 1/2 * m * v^2
For one kg of mass at the speed of say 2000 m/s that gives
Ekin =1/2 * 1 kg * (2000 m/s)^2= 2,000,000 kg*m^2/s^2 = 2 MJ

1 g of TNT energy of 4185 J or 4.185 kJ This gives for one kg of TNT 4.185 MJ
From this perspective, one kg of material moving at the speed of 2000 m/s has an energy that corresponds to about half a kg of TNT, or if the warhead of the missile has a mass of 100 kg, then it has a kinetic energy of 200 MJ, or the equivalent of about 48 kg of TNT. 100 kg mass may not be much, but on the other hand if the density is even 10 g/cm^3 then 100 kg would not take up more volume than 10 liters.

However the energy consideration is not over, since the we don't now how much energy is stored in the warhead as heat, or for that matter if one day it is loaded with explosives how much energy they would be able to put out from that perspective. Time will show.

If it was easy to make weapons like Oreshnik, more would have done it, which does not mean the subject of kinetic weapons has not been studied. For instance, I found a report from 1996; Systems Engineering Analysis of Kinetic Energy Weapon Concepts. It turns out that there are other factors when it come to evaluate the destructive capability than a mere consideration of energy, including how materials behave under extreme stress, as when they are impacted by a fast object. Also there may be effects and principles that are outside the traditional principles of kinetic weapons. We know that superconductivity can display amazing properties, so are there physical phenomena that hide behind the wall of high energy events which by nature can be difficult to study and utilize, unless there is a high level of knowledge?

A personal interpretation of the effect, is that just like a laser can create an effect that one would not expect from a simple consideration of how much energy it uses, similarly it may be that a lot of energy transmitted by a well engineered small impactor may have extraordinary properties.
 
So far, only the Americans have proved that they can turn entire buildings into dust without using nuclear weaponry.
Just on the topic of buildings and dust. By clicking on the link, you can see many remnants of buildings and even more dust. Here we are talking about a bomb weighing 3 tons and I remember one of the parameters - the high-explosive effect is guaranteed to cause concussion, i.e. disabling manpower, within a radius of about 160 meters. If we talk about buildings, they call a radius of 35-40 meters of continuous damage, i.e. there is nothing whole left at all.
Footage of a new FAB-3000 strike on the AFU positions in Volchansk is shown
Ukrainian resources publish footage showing the moment when a Russian three-ton adjustable aerial bomb struck the AFU stronghold in a multi-storey residential building in the city of Volchansk in the north-east of the Kharkiv region.

In the drone footage, you can see that a high column of smoke and dust rises above the impact site, covering the skeletons of high-rise buildings in which, apparently, Ukrainian servicemen have settled. The use of aerial bombs equipped with planning and correction modules has radically changed the offensive tactics of the Russian army. Now, in addition to artillery fire, enemy positions are often destroyed by strikes from multi-ton fabs with UMPC, after which units of stormtroopers are sent there.

Clashes in Volchansk have been going on since May of this year. The enemy is trying to hold this ruined settlement, but our fighters continue to steadily move forward. Against the background of the fierce fighting continuing in the north of the Kharkiv region, the Kiev-appointed leadership of the region complains about the active work of the Russian DRG, constantly probing various directions and thus expanding the combat zone on this section of the front line. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation currently have full initiative in the Kharkiv region. Russian fighters take control of new settlements almost daily, while the Russian Aerospace Forces actively destroy military facilities in the enemy's immediate rear with bombing attacks.
Показаны кадры нового удара ФАБ-3000 по позициям ВСУ в Волчанске

Как раз по теме про здания и пыль. Перейдя по ссылке можно увидеть много остатков зданий и еще больше пыли. Здесь речь идет о бомбе весом 3 тонны и мне запомнился один из параметров- фугасный эффект гарантированно вызывает контузию, т.е. вывод из строя живой силы, в радиусе около 160 метров. Если говорить про здания, то называют радиус 35-40 метров сплошного поражения, т.е. там вообще ничего целого не остается.
 
It turns out that there are other factors when it come to evaluate the destructive capability than a mere consideration of energy, including how materials behave under extreme stress, as when they are impacted by a fast object. Also there may be effects and principles that are outside the traditional principles of kinetic weapons.

I think there are possibly 5 main factors that determine how destructive such a weapon can be without additional explosives. Factors that also determine what mission each missile is designed to accomplish:

1: Speed.
2: Weight of the projectile.
3: Specific shape of the projectile.
4: Material of the projectile.
5: How many projectiles each missile delivers to the ground.

For example, you could shape one projectile pretty “needle“ like with a specific weight. That shape and weight will probably deliver relatively little damage on the surface while it travels deep into the ground and delivers most of the energy there. Another projectile could be shaped more like a bullet, which would lead to quite a lot more damage on the surface while stills being able to go quite deep and be destructive there. Or you could shape a projectile more like a sphere and then it would be most destructive on the surface while quite little damage will be done deep in the ground.

You might even be able to deliver different shapes/weights with one missile! Meaning that each of the (lets say 6) individual projectiles in one missile can be very destructive on all levels above and deep in the ground. Maybe something like that is the reason why Putin and the missile designers/deployers compare that Oreshnik missile with nukes?
 
I think there are possibly 5 main factors that determine how destructive such a weapon can be without additional explosives. Factors that also determine what mission each missile is designed to accomplish:

1: Speed.
2: Weight of the projectile.
3: Specific shape of the projectile.
4: Material of the projectile.
5: How many projectiles each missile delivers to the ground.

For example, you could shape one projectile pretty “needle“ like with a specific weight. That shape and weight will probably deliver relatively little damage on the surface while it travels deep into the ground and delivers most of the energy there. Another projectile could be shaped more like a bullet, which would lead to quite a lot more damage on the surface while stills being able to go quite deep and be destructive there. Or you could shape a projectile more like a sphere and then it would be most destructive on the surface while quite little damage will be done deep in the ground.

You might even be able to deliver different shapes/weights with one missile! Meaning that each of the (lets say 6) individual projectiles in one missile can be very destructive on all levels above and deep in the ground. Maybe something like that is the reason why Putin and the missile designers/deployers compare that Oreshnik missile with nukes?

I recall from Dr. Judy Wood's 9/11 Directed Energy Weapons video that tornadoes can drive playing cards and straw into trees and all sorts of other crazy stuff. IIRC, these effects aren't due to high speed winds, but to the EM effects of tornadoes. There is some form of atomic restructuring that happens, a sort of 'loosening' of the matrix of matter that allows soft material to penetrate hard material. In other words, reality as we know it changes during EM intensities that aren't common to our usual understanding of physics. So tornadoes create zones of bleedthrough. And this was weaponized by the PTB to dustify the WTC during 9/11, harnessing the power of the hurricane nearby, and weaponizing 'variability of physicality'.

If Oreshnik does indeed have a plasma sheath, or makes use of some sort of anti-gravity technology, then it may not follow the usual laws and limits of physics. To my untrained mind, when talking about plasma and gravity, everything starts to get pretty weird. Maybe Oreshnik could also cause a sort of 'opening up' of the matrix of matter, allowing its mass to penetrate far into the ground? Almost like the missiles enter a state of bleedthrough, slipping somewhat out of our reality. If this is in fact what is happening, then the Russians have effectively weaponized 'variability of physicality' in their own way.

And that would be fitting, in terms of global balance, given that 9/11 tech was used to start a mass world conflict, and this SMO tech is being used in service to prevent one.
 
From what Putin is saying it seems like that one single Oreshnik missile is ejecting, quote “dozens“ of warheads! I previously assumed that they used 6 of those missiles that can be seen in the now famous video, coming to a total of 36 warheads. But it now seems like they maybe just used one missile that “ejected“ 36 warheads!
 
A russian colleague of mine just showed me a picture I wasn’t able to find anywhere: It allegedly shows a man standing at the bottom of the epicenter of the aftermath (of presumably) one warhead of the Oreshnik missile= It basically looks like a meteor crater that is several stories deep (at least 5?) and quite wide. He says that he saw videos of locals saying that they wanted to go there afterwards in order to put out fires. They expected that because that usually happens after bombs and/or normal rockets. But they didn’t find any fire and the whole scene apparently looked and felt more like the aftermath of an extreme natural event (like a huge earthquake for example) then a rocket strike. He also reports cracks on buildings near by because of the impact and or earthquakes caused.
 
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or makes use of some sort of anti-gravity technology,

I'd say the anti-gravity tech's purpose is to get the missile to hypersonic speed as fast as possible after launch, thereby making it much more difficult to shoot down. The weakness of standard ICBMs is that they take time after launch to reach hypersonic speed, making them vulnerable to shoot-down.
 
From what Putin is saying it seems like that one single Oreshnik missile is ejecting, quote “dozens“ of warheads! I previously assumed that they used 6 of those missiles that can be seen in the now famous video, coming to a total of 36 warheads. But it now seems like they maybe just used one missile that “ejected“ 36 warheads!

Yeah, it's not clear what's actually going on there. 36 warheads in one missile would imply that they are not very large or heavy. If the hazelnut is a variant of the RS-26 Rubezh and is of similar size, it weighs about 40 tons and has a warhead payload of just 800kgs. If you divide that by 36, each projectile/warhead is just over 20kgs. Even if they are made of very dense shaped metal, and even if they're traveling at around mach 10, they're only going to carry as much energy on impact as an equivalent amount of TNT.

That said, I wonder how fast the hazelnuts actually travel. Officially it's "over mach 10". If the true speed is a LOT more than mach 10, then the impact energy of a 20kg weight projectile/warhead increases exponentially and ends up much more than the equivalent of TNT.
 
A russian colleague of mine just showed me a picture I wasn’t able to find anywhere: It allegedly shows a man standing at the bottom of the epicenter of the aftermath (of presumably) one warhead of the Oreshnik missile= It basically looks like a meteor crater that is several stories deep (at least 5?) and quite wide. He says that he saw videos of locals saying that they wanted to go there afterwards in order to put out fires. They expected that because that usually happens after bombs and/or normal rockets. But they didn’t find any fire and the whole scene apparently looked and felt more like the aftermath of an extreme natural event (like a huge earthquake for example) then a rocket strike. He also reports cracks on buildings near by because of the impact and or earthquakes caused.

That fits with the description of these kinetic weapons and what we saw in the videos. They pretty much are like meteorites. The material used in the projectile (its density) and the speed of impact is all important in its destructive force on the ground however. Consider that many meteorites explode in the atmosphere before they hit the ground due to their speed and the associated heat and stresses on the material of the meteorite.
 
A russian colleague of mine just showed me a picture I wasn’t able to find anywhere: It allegedly shows a man standing at the bottom of the epicenter of the aftermath (of presumably) one warhead of the Oreshnik missile= It basically looks like a meteor crater that is several stories deep (at least 5?) and quite wide. He says that he saw videos of locals saying that they wanted to go there afterwards in order to put out fires. They expected that because that usually happens after bombs and/or normal rockets. But they didn’t find any fire and the whole scene apparently looked and felt more like the aftermath of an extreme natural event (like a huge earthquake for example) then a rocket strike. He also reports cracks on buildings near by because of the impact and or earthquakes caused.

Asked him again to show it to me and if I can take a picture of his phone. Here it is:

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Fake, or not? It matches the description of the aftermath though.
 
Just like we've been saying.

The NATO-Russian proxy war in Ukraine might be on the brink of an unprecedented escalation that could easily spiral out of control if Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is correct in claiming that NATO is planning a 100,000-strong military intervention in Ukraine under the guise of peacekeepers. The purpose is to freeze the conflict, presumably by having these troops function as tripwires for deterring a Russian attack that could spark World War III, and then rebuild Ukraine’s military-industrial complex.
 
Putin says, that , quote; “three or four, possibly even more, floors below are affected. These are fortified structures, not merely floors. The impact force is immense.“

So the depth of the crater can probably be significantly deeper then that when the Oreshnik missile hits ground that is not fortified.
 
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