Quenelle

[Niall]

There is a big red flag about Dieudonné, which is that he is acquainted with the extreme right.

He's also acquainted with Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Neturei Karta... if you're not a heretic in these times of rampant psychopathy in power, then you have no chance!

From my understanding, there are agendas from the PTB where Dieudonné could just be a puppet.

Well, at the end of the day, we're all puppets on this stage. Dieudonne has been, is, or will be used by others to further their own ends, but the same goes for everything and everyone.

He and others, like Soral the (in)famous dissident writer, who was politically engaged with the extreme right, are somehow becoming leaders of the French system's protestation movement.

Pretty much. Is that a bad thing? Maybe, maybe not. What's the alternative?

I quite like it: it's simple, and it's very funny - 'La Quenelle!'

They say a lot of truth, are very talented, but for what agenda ? One they might not even know of ?..

Maybe the universe has an agenda that will trump all of their agendas?

All is very confusing, it seems pretty much instrumented. For what purpose ? Some people somewhere must know about it...

You and we know about it! 95-99% of the world doesn't know about it. Don't you think it could just be what it is? A comedian makes a joke. Ten years later it has become a famous joke (in one country). An ambitious French government minister then does everything he can to suppress it because he's personally insulted by a group of kids doing the 'quenelle' with him. Everything else then follows the natural course of events of living in a country ruled by psychopaths. We could argue to what extent they coordinate their efforts, but I think at root they instinctively sense that it undermines their rule-through-fear.

Me, I mainly try to enjoy it, especially seeing Valls et al shoot themselves in both feet!

 

[Esote]

Kniall, I too am enjoying Dieudonné's comedy sketches (except when he is heavily jocking about the gas chambers from the concentration camps). Nevertheless I have no doubt about his own sincerity.
No alternative ? Not really I know of at this stage, except to be alert, aware...
It could just be what it is, beside the manipulations of his notoriety by politics and medias, which could be a mere smoke screen in order to divert people's attention...

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

I know this may sound a bit far fetched but I wonder if the love affair between French President Hollande and Julie Gayet isn't at least in part done to distract people and draw their attention away from the whole Dieudonne debate. Even if it's not the case, it seems to be having that effect.

I too had my doubts when I heard the news this morning. I find very interesting how all these presidents just 'fall in love' with an actress or a model (i.e. women who can play a part/who can act) - Hollande and Gayet; Sarkozy and Bruni - just when it best serves their interest. I don't buy it for a single second. Hollande has as much sex appeal as Yogi the Bear.

Nevertheless I have no doubt about his own sincerity.

I'm not sure what you mean about sincerity: he looks very committed to me: have you seen the harassment he has experienced since he began? How much money has been spent in lawsuits to defend himself ? He nearly lost his house. He is talked about in the press (99.9% of the time badmouthed) but he is almost never invited anywhere to defend himself and he is basically synonymous for many French who haven't even watched his shows as horribly antisemitic. I think it takes a lot of dedication and conviction to want to be in this position. One cannot dismiss it by simply saying 'Oh but it's all publicity to him, he has what he wants'. He is a pretty funny guy and does not need that sort of publicity to be famous. He has fans to encourage him but by and large, he has become Public Enemy N°1 in his profession and in the media.

He and others, like Soral the (in)famous dissident writer, who was politically engaged with the extreme right, are somehow becoming leaders of the French system's protestation movement.

But don't you find interesting that we are always reminded of Soral and Dieudonné's connections to the extreme right when these two are so much more than that? Soral has a LOT to say about a lot of subjects and what he says is pretty accurate and spot on in many cases. If you have not done so already, I urge you to look at his videos on youtube. He has a 'take no prisoner' kind of approach and is very direct, even brutal in what he says. I personally have no problem with that but I understand that he can put people off. But what matters is what he says and the fact that he is not afraid to say it.

The extreme right thing shows that they leave no stone unturned to find the truth, even visiting the Boogeyman in person (Le Pen). There is much, much more about Soral than Le Pen. That's just what the media want us to remember.

 

[Esote]

Mrs. Tigersoap, what I mean by sincerity is just what you say: that Dieudonné is very committed and has a lot of dedication and conviction.

It's interesting for sure that we are always reminded that he and Soral specially have connections to the extreme right. They might be much more than that but it's true anyway. Why are they, or were, so much engaged with such a reactionary, racist and dangerous political party ? Provocation, or what ?

I like to listen to Soral, but if "what matters is what he says and the fact that he is not afraid to say it", it's also about what he does, like being for two years in the Central Committee of the FN (National Front) recently, and being acquainted with extreme right personalities... This is not my cup of tea. May be I'm wrong somewhere, but still I am able to listen to him, and to Dieudonné. But there is a warning sign in me, saying "watch out, it's not white or black" !..

 

[Pierre]

Mrs. Tigersoap, what I mean by sincerity is just what you say: that Dieudonné is very committed and has a lot of dedication and conviction.

It's interesting for sure that we are always reminded that he and Soral specially have connections to the extreme right. They might be much more than that but it's true anyway. Why are they, or were, so much engaged with such a reactionary, racist and dangerous political party ? Provocation, or what ?

I like to listen to Soral, but if "what matters is what he says and the fact that he is not afraid to say it", it's also about what he does, like being for two years in the Central Committee of the FN (National Front) recently, and being acquainted with extreme right personalities... This is not my cup of tea. May be I'm wrong somewhere, but still I am able to listen to him, and to Dieudonné. But there is a warning sign in me, saying "watch out, it's not white or black" !..

One of the extreme right personality you refer to might be Faurisson, who is indeed depicted by every single mainstream medias as the antichrist or at least as a negationist of the worst kind. How many people have read his work? How many people know that he is an 80 years old historian having spent decades studying WWII after which he concluded that some data about the Jewish holocaust were inconsistent? He's not a negationist but a revisionist. He claims that official history is not true and he has very good reasons to claim so. He doesn't deny that the holocaust happened he just states that it didn't exactly happen the way history depicts it. Frankly would it be the first time history is not a perfectly objective depiction of what really happened?

As you said this is not black and white. The Front National (FN - labelled extreme right party) ,despite what the mainstream medias keep repeating, does not have the monopoly of racism and the other parties are not the anti-racist parties.

Notice that the very founders of of the "anti-racist" associations are leaders of the obviously prozionist Socialist party (officially the antiracist party), while the FN, the so-called racist party or at least some of its members are openly antizionist.

So there's a lot of smoke, lies and manipulations around the following dualities: racist VS non racist; philosemitic VS antisemitic, prosionist VS antisionist.

Those divisions are becoming more and more prominent because the level of frustration and oppression of the French people is becoming so intolerable that a release valve is needed to channel the growing anger.

The elites / Zionists play the anti racism card they've been playing for 30 years (when they "created" the FN and the "anti-racist" association). They label Dieudonné (or any other threat) "antisemitic" and appeal to a simplistic and flawed reasoning : you're not racist -> you don't accept antisemitism -> you must condemn the antisemitic Dieudonné -> you must support the authority that nail him.

Notice that lately the elites have desperately tried to direct the people's energy in the direction of several bogus divisions: "antisemitic Vs philosemitic", "heterosexual VS homosexual" (gay wedding), "employed VS non employed" (pension frauds), "public servant VS private employees" (retirement pensions), "arabs VS caucasians", (Nikab) etc.

That's the old divide and conquer tactic that hides the only true division: the psychopatic Zionist elites VS the oppressed people. Soral and Dieudonné have made the unforgivable mistakes to see beyond those false divisions and identify, analyze, mock the true enemy of the people.

The quenelle is an anti-elite symbol. It had to be relabeled as antisemitic in order to justify the harassment of its author Dieudonné and to shift the attention of the people away from this very problem (oppression exerted by those elites) towards a manufactured and alleged racist symbol (inverted nazi salute).

 

[Tomek]

Very nicely put, Belibaste. Thank you.

 

[Niall]

One of the extreme right personality you refer to might be Faurisson, who is indeed depicted by every single mainstream medias as the antichrist or at least as a negationist of the worst kind. How many people have read his work? How many people know that he is an 80 years old historian having spent decades studying WWII after which he concluded that some data about the Jewish holocaust were inconsistent? He's not a negationist but a revisionist. He claims that official history is not true and he has very good reasons to claim so. He doesn't deny that the holocaust happened he just states that it didn't exactly happen the way history depicts it. Frankly would it be the first time history is not a perfectly objective depiction of what really happened?

Indeed. Everyone remembers 'the Jewish Holocaust', yet Jews were killed in those camps alongside Poles, Germans, and many other ethnicities. That's Dieudonne's basic point regarding 'the Jewish-only Holocaust' - he humorously unveils the truth about a very dark subject: that Jews were slaughtered with fellow humans by a psychopathic cabal trying to create a 'master race' in their image. His message is that by elevating one particular segment from the context of a greater horror, the Jews' just cause has been hystericized and subverted by today's psychopathic cabal into revenge, which is then used to fuel the suppression, control and elimination of others. 27 million Russians died in the mother of all battles to win the war and defeat Hitler. The Western powers were happy to let them slug it out, secretly hoping Soviet Russia would die in the process. Where are the Russians' privileges? Remember also that those who portray the FN as 'reactionary, Nazi extremists' are the same ones sending the French military to suppress Africans and protect the industrialists' uranium and gold mines. History is being rewritten even as it's being created.

 

[Niall]

Hollande has as much sex appeal as Yogi the Bear.

Hey, Yogi Bear is a handsome fella!

 

[ROEL]

The quenelle is an anti-elite symbol. It had to be relabeled as antisemitic in order to justify the harassment of its author Dieudonné and to shift the attention of the people away from this very problem (oppression exerted by those elites) towards a manufactured and alleged racist symbol (inverted nazi salute).

A good sum up of the goings on, Belibaste. And unfortunately all of this is a big distraction of the people's attention. Energies wasted that could be better put to use in working on oneself.

 

[H-KQGE]

One of the extreme right personality you refer to might be Faurisson, who is indeed depicted by every single mainstream medias as the antichrist or at least as a negationist of the worst kind. How many people have read his work? How many people know that he is an 80 years old historian having spent decades studying WWII after which he concluded that some data about the Jewish holocaust were inconsistent? He's not a negationist but a revisionist. He claims that official history is not true and he has very good reasons to claim so. He doesn't deny that the holocaust happened he just states that it didn't exactly happen the way history depicts it. Frankly would it be the first time history is not a perfectly objective depiction of what really happened?

Indeed. Everyone remembers 'the Jewish Holocaust', yet Jews were killed in those camps alongside Poles, Germans, and many other ethnicities. That's Dieudonne's basic point regarding 'the Jewish-only Holocaust' - he humorously unveils the truth about a very dark subject: that Jews were slaughtered with fellow humans by a psychopathic cabal trying to create a 'master race' in their image. His message is that by elevating one particular segment from the context of a greater horror, the Jews' just cause has been hystericized and subverted by today's psychopathic cabal into revenge, which is then used to fuel the suppression, control and elimination of others. 27 million Russians died in the mother of all battles to win the war and defeat Hitler. The Western powers were happy to let them slug it out, secretly hoping Soviet Russia would die in the process. Where are the Russians' privileges? Remember also that those who portray the FN as 'reactionary, Nazi extremists' are the same ones sending the French military to suppress Africans and protect the industrialists' uranium and gold mines. History is being rewritten even as it's being created.

Very well put, you guys. First, Belibaste: How many people still read? And not trashy magazines or romantic novels or tabloids, but educational material for self-improvement? I imagine it to be a low number. And of that small number, how many will pick up the first glossy & most advertised book on a given subject by some award-winning author on a best-sellers list? Probably an even smaller number & if you can't see the same old divide & conquer techniques being used (it's never been more obvious than in this "age of information") then you're just going to parrot what the media/ptb wants you to. Then there's the highly educated folks...

Kniall: I only have to think back to my school days & what was (I won't describe it as "being taught" since I was "taught" certain things for exams, then the "un-taught" things made up the bulk of the exams!) part of the curriculum. What you've written was part of what I was taught, & these days those simple truths have been, in effect, omitted. It's like official material banging on about Hitler as always. Stalin? Never mind him. Lenin? Never heard of him. From WWI until today, they've really worked at this plan & have pulled it off to devastating effect. And lastly, how many will have any kind of critical thinking where anything African is concerned? The same stereotypes still prevail & the racism that many tried to distance as not a part of them is still bubbling under the surface. Hopefully the French will have a proper revolution this time, not the manipulated one like the last. Ain't holding my breath though.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Very nicely put, Belibaste. Thank you.

Yes, thank you very much, Belibaste!

Indeed. Everyone remembers 'the Jewish Holocaust', yet Jews were killed in those camps alongside Poles, Germans, and many other ethnicities. That's Dieudonne's basic point regarding 'the Jewish-only Holocaust' - he humorously unveils the truth about a very dark subject: that Jews were slaughtered with fellow humans by a psychopathic cabal trying to create a 'master race' in their image. His message is that by elevating one particular segment from the context of a greater horror, the Jews' just cause has been hystericized and subverted by today's psychopathic cabal into revenge, which is then used to fuel the suppression, control and elimination of others. 27 million Russians died in the mother of all battles to win the war and defeat Hitler. The Western powers were happy to let them slug it out, secretly hoping Soviet Russia would die in the process. Where are the Russians' privileges? Remember also that those who portray the FN as 'reactionary, Nazi extremists' are the same ones sending the French military to suppress Africans and protect the industrialists' uranium and gold mines. History is being rewritten even as it's being created.

Correct. The Russians "won the war" (although the Soviet "hollywood" was not so pervasive to capture the story worldwide) in that carnage planned by the elite. I also wonder if the elite in diferent countries could have continued increasing its nuclear arsenal if Japan had half the budget of Zionist propaganda to victimize over the suffering of other peoples. And also, if there is any karmic matter between Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Fukushima tragedy.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Mrs. Tigersoap, what I mean by sincerity is just what you say: that Dieudonné is very committed and has a lot of dedication and conviction.

Ah OK! Thanks, eoste! :)

Notice that the very founders of of the "anti-racist" associations are leaders of the obviously prozionist Socialist party (officially the antiracist party), while the FN, the so-called racist party or at least some of its members are openly antizionist.

The story behind SOS Racisme and 'Touche pas à mon Pote' is very interesting indeed. I still need to read Serge Malik's book on the subject. It was not a grass roots movement at all, it was deliberately political and opportunistic. Some have suggested that it should have been called 'Touche pas à mon pote zioniste' because zionists were the one to benefit from the action, not young people of foreign origin.

It's plain to see that the very people this movement was supposed to 'protect' (les 'potes') are the ones who are demonized in the media nowadays while no one dares to say anthing about zionists for fear of being called antisemitic. The very word seems to be strangely absent from most mainstream media, and is only used followed by 'conspiracy theory'! Hinting that zionism exists is already too much.

Hey, Yogi Bear is a handsome fella!

Well, I stand corrected! He is indeed!!

 

[Esote]

Belibaste and Kniall just wrote something noticeable, thank you.
I can't argue about Faurisson, lacking sufficient knowledge about his work, and I agree basically about what you say.
Only that the FN is really an extreme right party, with a stinking background, although they try their best to give a renewed appearance.
A lot of smoke and manipulation from all sides...

 

[Pierre]

How many people still read? And not trashy magazines or romantic novels or tabloids, but educational material for self-improvement? I imagine it to be a low number. And of that small number, how many will pick up the first glossy & most advertised book on a given subject by some award-winning author on a best-sellers list? Probably an even smaller number & if you can't see the same old divide & conquer techniques being used (it's never been more obvious than in this "age of information") then you're just going to parrot what the media/ptb wants you to.

You're right. Disinformation is a major tool that elites use to control our minds. The irony is that while the medias were bashing Dieudonné, the French senate voted against removing Serge Dassault immunity although there are damning evidence that he bought votes in Corbeil Essone (the town is mayor of). Incidently Dassault owns one of the biggest weapon manufacturer in France and also controls several mainstream medias (Figaro, Libération, etc.)

Even if you read and manage to go beyond all the written propaganda that is spread in France it might not be this easy to get some relevant books. Recently Alain Soral publishing company was condemned by the court. He had to remove or censor 5 books. It was not pro paedophilia , pro drug or pro nazi writings. These 5 books are dealing with zionism amongst which Douglas Reed's "The Controversy of Zion".

The story behind SOS Racisme and 'Touche pas à mon Pote' is very interesting indeed. I still need to read Serge Malik's book on the subject. It was not a grass roots movement at all, it was deliberately political and opportunistic. Some have suggested that it should have been called 'Touche pas à mon pote zioniste' because zionists were the one to benefit from the action, not young people of foreign origin.

The founder of "SOS Racisme" is Julien Dray. Dray is Jewish, he's been a member of the Likoud, guest of the World Jewish Congress dinners and is a self proclaimed free mason. Dray, a notorious zionist politician was the spokesperson of the socialist party between 2003 and 2008. He was also Segolene Royal's spokeperson in 2007 and probably orchestrated her defeat against Sarkozy.

When Dray created "SOS Racisme" he nominated Harlem Désir president (Désir was the useful arab and useful idiot) while putting several members of the UEJF (Union des étudiants juifs de France - A zionist student organization) at the board. Zionism, a notoriously xenophobic ideology, was at the head of the official anti racism French association. To give you an idea of how much Dray respected the SOS racisme association and its supposed values, he has been prosecuted in 2009 for a massive embezzlement (including a 250000 euros watch) and the procedure was canceled only after intense political pressure.

Harlem Désir, the first president of "SOS Racisme", would slowly but surely sucked by the system and today he is First Secretary of the Socialist Party, the very party that destroys Mali, Syria, Centrafrica, etc.

Notice that "SOS racisme" was created during the march for equality. This march started in Marseille with only 17 people, mostly arabs and blacks, who protested against one more racist murder committed against a 13-year kid. Along its way the march gained an unexpected momentum and when it reached Paris 100000 people were part of it. Eventually "SOS racisme" managed to infiltrate this grassroots, genuinely anti racist and threatening movement and transform it into a pro Zionist organization.

Interestingly according to Dieudonné, the assault committed in 2006 against him and his two sons was masterminded by one single individual: Julien Dray.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Notice that "SOS racisme" was created during the march for equality. This march started in Marseille with only 17 people, mostly arabs and blacks, who protested against one more racist murder committed against a 13-year kid. Along its way the march gained an unexpected momentum and when it reached Paris 100000 people were part of it. Eventually "SOS racisme" managed to infiltrate this grassroots, genuinely anti racist and threatening movement and transform it into a pro Zionist organization.

Indeed. 'La Marche' (a movie by Nabil Ben Yadir) has just been released about this event and there again, people from this true grass roots movement have been sold short: the movie does not respect what truly happened, who were these people. They have been betrayed once again. And guess who organized a projection of the movie at the Elysée? Hollande of course.