Question(s) for the C's?
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Kel
Jedi
Thank you Shijing for asking the question that has been on my mind lately, since I have, for the first time been reading "Seth Speaks". This is the first Seth material I have ever read, and I'm really finding it interesting.
The YCYOR topic is confusing to me. And from the research I've done on this forum threads, I am pointed in the direction of Michael Topper's essay "Why You Don't Create Your Own Reality". I've tried to read this a couple, maybe three times, and basically, and he simply loses me shortly into the essay. I'm sorry, but my recollection of this particular piece of work borders on word salad. Maybe somebody could write a book called "Why You Don't CYOR by Michael Topper For Dummys".
ANyway, regarding Seth, my interpretation of what the Cs said about his material becoming obsolete, is that since Seth goes into a lot of detail about reincarnation and choice, I'm wondering if this is becoming obsolete because of the grand opportunity available to souls because of the realm border, or approaching wave. Seth seems to indicate that there is a time when the soul is finished with the reincarnation process and points to all lessons being learned that can be learned through reincarnation as being the indicator. Maybe the obsolete part is that if the soul is ready, at the realm border crossing, or wave, the soul will graduate at that point without having their physical body go through a death.
From what I have read so far, there is no indication that Seth knows, or perhaps, wants to inform about the nature of STO versus STS in our environment. Maybe this is not a big deal to him since it seems to me that he is a 4th density being, and could possibly simply be in an STO environment where STO versus STS is not an issue. The Cs, Ra and the Pleadians are from a higher density where they can see this battle being played out.
The YCYOR topic is confusing to me. And from the research I've done on this forum threads, I am pointed in the direction of Michael Topper's essay "Why You Don't Create Your Own Reality". I've tried to read this a couple, maybe three times, and basically, and he simply loses me shortly into the essay. I'm sorry, but my recollection of this particular piece of work borders on word salad. Maybe somebody could write a book called "Why You Don't CYOR by Michael Topper For Dummys".
ANyway, regarding Seth, my interpretation of what the Cs said about his material becoming obsolete, is that since Seth goes into a lot of detail about reincarnation and choice, I'm wondering if this is becoming obsolete because of the grand opportunity available to souls because of the realm border, or approaching wave. Seth seems to indicate that there is a time when the soul is finished with the reincarnation process and points to all lessons being learned that can be learned through reincarnation as being the indicator. Maybe the obsolete part is that if the soul is ready, at the realm border crossing, or wave, the soul will graduate at that point without having their physical body go through a death.
From what I have read so far, there is no indication that Seth knows, or perhaps, wants to inform about the nature of STO versus STS in our environment. Maybe this is not a big deal to him since it seems to me that he is a 4th density being, and could possibly simply be in an STO environment where STO versus STS is not an issue. The Cs, Ra and the Pleadians are from a higher density where they can see this battle being played out.
Gimpy
The Living Force
Hi shijing,
In reading Laura's post, when she said "those that can be answered without recourse to the C's", I thought she was talking about doing one's own research/reading/investigating, not necessarily via other channeled material. I could be very wrong thinking that, but its what stood out to me most when I read it.
Just my thoughts on it. :)
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Gimpy said:
Yes, that is exactly the idea. The point is to learn to figure these things out ourselves - so when the time comes when there is no other way - we can Do it.
Regarding the Seth material - if one realizes its general value and that as 'time' has passed, it has become rather obsolete - since the future is open and the future for 'Seth' is the past for us, then why would one be 'caught up' by any specific phrase or set of phrases? I suppose my point is that if one understands that, in the larger picture, information is transmitted at and for a given 'space and time' - then why read it like gospel or absolute truth at all - needing to always and in everything correspond to current understanding?
There is also the ever-present issue of the channel, especially a singular channel or one who limits input due to their own preconceptions - the channel will and does influence the material that comes through. This is a given, as proven with the Ra material.
So, my question would be - why would one get 'caught up' over any specific phrase from 'Seth' when one is aware of the larger picture? At some point, we must begin to think for ourselves - not read various channeled material as gospel, linearly and limited - but as clues - clues that very well may contain the inherent flaws introduced by the channel.
If one does not automatically and mechanically take these sources as the gospel truth - then it becomes very, very hard to get 'caught up' on anything. We are here to learn - We have been given clues and as 'time moves forward', We will be given more clues to figure this out for ourselves. Flexibility in thinking is paramount - a willingness to stretch and apply our understanding - to adapt, apply and expand our knowledge is key.
Once we become stuck in one place, thinking that any source is the 'gospel truth', must be read literally and held to each phrase 'uttered' (via a human channel), we wholly lose the power to learn for ourselves.
Considering the channel, the context, the source and the 'time' - I don't think there is much to not understand about the Seth material. fwiw.
shijing
The Living Force
Thanks for everyone's feedback in the past few posts. First:
That is probably not a bad guess about why the information is suggested to be becoming obsolete, Kel. This also agrees pretty much with what Anart says below, in terms of viewing information in the context of the right time and place.
No, you're right about doing research/reading/investigating -- that was my understanding as well. I just wasn't sure how one would get to the bottom of what was going on with Seth and the YCYOR meme by carrying out ordinary research, but perhaps the more important issue is the below:
The one thing that still bothers me is that the idea of YCYOR shouldn't have been more appropriate in any other context since it is the distillation of subjective thinking and therefore STS at any place and time, in my understanding. But that being said, I understand your point about the more general importance of learning to think for ourselves, being flexible, and using discernment. This may, therefore, not be the best question to put on the table at a session, so I'll default to my first question on the thread. Thanks again for the feedback!
Kel said:
That is probably not a bad guess about why the information is suggested to be becoming obsolete, Kel. This also agrees pretty much with what Anart says below, in terms of viewing information in the context of the right time and place.
Gimpy said:
No, you're right about doing research/reading/investigating -- that was my understanding as well. I just wasn't sure how one would get to the bottom of what was going on with Seth and the YCYOR meme by carrying out ordinary research, but perhaps the more important issue is the below:
anart said:
The one thing that still bothers me is that the idea of YCYOR shouldn't have been more appropriate in any other context since it is the distillation of subjective thinking and therefore STS at any place and time, in my understanding. But that being said, I understand your point about the more general importance of learning to think for ourselves, being flexible, and using discernment. This may, therefore, not be the best question to put on the table at a session, so I'll default to my first question on the thread. Thanks again for the feedback!
shijing
The Living Force
Laura said:
OK Laura, thanks for the suggestion. I was just looking at the Operation Trojan Horse thread right before this, actually, not suspecting any connection! As people noticed there, it is a bit expensive, but I will keep my eyes open for a good way to get a copy.
Gimpy
The Living Force
I'm not a very good 'problem solver', as far as it applies to 'fixing things', or 'figuring it out' re mathematics etc. That said, I think its possible, with diligent effort, to develop one's 'gut instinct' by applying steady research with the Prayer for the Soul, and remaining flexible to deal with what comes along. The Aim to have a clean machine needs to be well on its way, and the Prayer can help with that first, and as things clear out, it can assist in maintaining an even keel to sort through the lies and discern the Truth. This enables a person to do the best they can with what is available, and retain free will.
Basically, no matter where you are in the Work, the Prayer, when its meaning is understood fully, will assist with the "Ah HA!" moments so that we recognize which way we need to go on our own, and from there share it with the network.
As far as application of the Prayer of the Soul goes, is this an adequate start?
Am I clear enough, or do I need to keep explaining what I'm thinking? :)
Gimpy said:
I've been praying the prayer of the soul for a few nights now, breathing in during one line and out during the next.
This weekend, my father came over from Italy, and I really saw the truth about him. All the time he was here, he was violating my free will, giving me things I wasn't asking for; his decision to come over at this moment coincided with my moving house which I've had to postpone for another week. I could see that, in conversation, he just runs those 'pre-recordings' that Mouravieff talks about, and that the other person might as well not be there. I asked his advice on a few things regarding my situation, and rather than think about what I was asking and consider the facts, his advice was based on his assumptions about me and my situation. I've been following a much more healthy lifestyle and diet, but that all went out the window because he has a lot of food programmes and I didn't want to rock the boat. So I kinda betrayed my Self.
I now feel drained and tired, and after enjoying a feeling good health for the past few weeks, I now feel grubby and unhealthy; I feel like I "need to take a shower".
I can see how my programmes allowed so much to happen that could have been avoided. A lack of boundaries, fear of upsetting someone else by simply caring about myself. Fear of making judgements, too; it has highlighted for me that I NEED to judge between things as "good for me" and "bad for me", and see other peoples reactions to my choices, as free will choices on their part.
So, I've seen a lot this weekend. Whether this is a result of meditating with Laura's prayer or not, I think it might be a bit early to tell; but, whether it is or isn't, I really think I've seen a lot this weekend.
ana
The Living Force
T.C. said:
It seems to me they are saying that is needed for many to connect their higher centers as this is how one does really obtain assistance.
Being in contact with higher centers could involve be guided by the truth itself, allowing you to compare each specific event of this reallity with the inmutable truth from on high.
So seeing the disappointments of this reallity, facing caos with truth.
Biomiast
Jedi Master
This may be a little off-topic, but about the obtaining needed guidance, I have a question, not for the C's, for Laura, if she can answer.
You describe your experiences in the Wave series, and when I read the series, the particular chapters that I liked most were those concerning Shamanic practices, ascent to the sky to commune with higher realms. When C's mentioned connections with higher centers I thought about this to be something like Shamanic practices. You later mention in the Wave that you developed an ability:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13c.htm
My question is: Do you think you were performing Shamanic practices(ascent to sky) at the time and if we apply this accelerated method of C's, free ourselves from emotional blockages and reach the point where you were back then, would we experience something similar(not exactly in the same context since all of us are different) or are those two things totally unrelated?
You describe your experiences in the Wave series, and when I read the series, the particular chapters that I liked most were those concerning Shamanic practices, ascent to the sky to commune with higher realms. When C's mentioned connections with higher centers I thought about this to be something like Shamanic practices. You later mention in the Wave that you developed an ability:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13c.htm
My question is: Do you think you were performing Shamanic practices(ascent to sky) at the time and if we apply this accelerated method of C's, free ourselves from emotional blockages and reach the point where you were back then, would we experience something similar(not exactly in the same context since all of us are different) or are those two things totally unrelated?
webglider
Dagobah Resident
Thank you soooo much, Laura, for giving us this opportunity to ask questions!!!!
Did the bards functioning in the oral tradition or Homer who is given credit for writing The Iliad and The Odyssey have direct knowledge of hyperdimensional beings, and are the gods of these books the hyperdimensional beings that have always controlled the world? In fact, did the "gods" make their presence known to the ancient Greeks?
This section of The Iliad from Book IV is disturbing. Zeus and Hera are having a fight about Troy. Zeus likes Troy, Hera hates it. In this passage, a bargain is made:
"Dear wife, what sort of crimes have Priam
or Priam's children committed against you,
that you should be so vehemently keen
to destroy that well-built city Ilion?
If you went through its gates or its huge walls,
you'd gorge on Priam and his children,
and other Trojans, too, swallow their flesh raw.
That's what you'd do to slake your anger.
Do as you wish. We shouldn't make this matter
something you and I later squabble over,
a source of major disagreements.
But I'll tell you this—keep it in mind.
Whenever I get the urge to wipe out
some city whose inhabitants you love,
don't try to thwart me. Let me have my way.
I'll give in to you freely, though unwillingly.
For of all towns inhabited by earth's peoples,
under the sun, beneath the heavenly stars,
sacred Ilion, with Priam, Priam's folk,
expert spearmen, stands dearest in my heart.
My altar there has always shared their feasts,
with libations and sacrificial smoke,
offerings we get as honours due to us "
Ox-eyed Hera then said in reply to Zeus:
"The three cities I love the best by far
are Argos, Sparta, and Mycenae,
city of wide streets. Destroy them utterly,
if you ever hate them in your heart.
I won't deny you or get in your way. . . ." (4.38) [4.30]
This passage shows how utterly remorseless both Hera and Zeus are in allowing each other to destroy their favorite cities in exchange for gaining some marital peace between themselves.
Another parallel to hyperdimensional behavior is the abduction and procreation of offspring that are a combination of mortal and immortal beings. (Thetis, a goddess, and Peleus, a mortal produce Achilles, and Leda, a mortal who is raped by Zeus, produce Helen.
Helen and Achilles whose behaviors seem psychopathic and are the means for causing great suffering are themselves controlled by the gods - Achilles by Athena, and Helen by Aphrodite.
Another thing, off topic but to the point I think, is the conception of Time. In Ancient Greek cosmology the world was created first followed by the gods. In other words, the "god" must bow to a power higher then themselves -
Fate. Is Fate The Cosmic Mind?
And then there is the question of hubris which is the greatest sin and is always punished. In our world, where the ruling elite are acting like "gods" it seems to me that they will be made to suffer along with the rest of us.
I've always wondered about these things...
Did the bards functioning in the oral tradition or Homer who is given credit for writing The Iliad and The Odyssey have direct knowledge of hyperdimensional beings, and are the gods of these books the hyperdimensional beings that have always controlled the world? In fact, did the "gods" make their presence known to the ancient Greeks?
This section of The Iliad from Book IV is disturbing. Zeus and Hera are having a fight about Troy. Zeus likes Troy, Hera hates it. In this passage, a bargain is made:
"Dear wife, what sort of crimes have Priam
or Priam's children committed against you,
that you should be so vehemently keen
to destroy that well-built city Ilion?
If you went through its gates or its huge walls,
you'd gorge on Priam and his children,
and other Trojans, too, swallow their flesh raw.
That's what you'd do to slake your anger.
Do as you wish. We shouldn't make this matter
something you and I later squabble over,
a source of major disagreements.
But I'll tell you this—keep it in mind.
Whenever I get the urge to wipe out
some city whose inhabitants you love,
don't try to thwart me. Let me have my way.
I'll give in to you freely, though unwillingly.
For of all towns inhabited by earth's peoples,
under the sun, beneath the heavenly stars,
sacred Ilion, with Priam, Priam's folk,
expert spearmen, stands dearest in my heart.
My altar there has always shared their feasts,
with libations and sacrificial smoke,
offerings we get as honours due to us "
Ox-eyed Hera then said in reply to Zeus:
"The three cities I love the best by far
are Argos, Sparta, and Mycenae,
city of wide streets. Destroy them utterly,
if you ever hate them in your heart.
I won't deny you or get in your way. . . ." (4.38) [4.30]
This passage shows how utterly remorseless both Hera and Zeus are in allowing each other to destroy their favorite cities in exchange for gaining some marital peace between themselves.
Another parallel to hyperdimensional behavior is the abduction and procreation of offspring that are a combination of mortal and immortal beings. (Thetis, a goddess, and Peleus, a mortal produce Achilles, and Leda, a mortal who is raped by Zeus, produce Helen.
Helen and Achilles whose behaviors seem psychopathic and are the means for causing great suffering are themselves controlled by the gods - Achilles by Athena, and Helen by Aphrodite.
Another thing, off topic but to the point I think, is the conception of Time. In Ancient Greek cosmology the world was created first followed by the gods. In other words, the "god" must bow to a power higher then themselves -
Fate. Is Fate The Cosmic Mind?
And then there is the question of hubris which is the greatest sin and is always punished. In our world, where the ruling elite are acting like "gods" it seems to me that they will be made to suffer along with the rest of us.
I've always wondered about these things...
Smallwood
Jedi Master
Hi, barring any personal questions (I have so many that I should just get a board and learn to use it) I would like to ask C's about this cropcircle.
It has been added to two times now. I would like to know who made the original section with the "dish" (someone in 3D, 4D STS or 6D STO), who added the second more organic looking part with the "curves" and lastly who added the latest part, the "circuitry"?
Just what is it trying to say if anything? Any hints?
Edit:
I'd like to also know what these autistic conditions tell about a person's soul (or lack of). What kind of a soul unit actually chooses to incarnate as one? And an example of what might be the purpose for it then? Any general guidelines from the C's on how a person should treat the disorder from spiritual angle assuming that detoxing body and emotions is already underway? Or is detoxing the body and emotions enough to heal the disorder in the sense that it would be a lesson learned for the soul, not to be returned to again hopefully?
Thanks for the opportunity!
It has been added to two times now. I would like to know who made the original section with the "dish" (someone in 3D, 4D STS or 6D STO), who added the second more organic looking part with the "curves" and lastly who added the latest part, the "circuitry"?
Just what is it trying to say if anything? Any hints?
Edit:
Justin said:
Csayeursost: said:
I'd like to also know what these autistic conditions tell about a person's soul (or lack of). What kind of a soul unit actually chooses to incarnate as one? And an example of what might be the purpose for it then? Any general guidelines from the C's on how a person should treat the disorder from spiritual angle assuming that detoxing body and emotions is already underway? Or is detoxing the body and emotions enough to heal the disorder in the sense that it would be a lesson learned for the soul, not to be returned to again hopefully?
Thanks for the opportunity!
Galaxia2002
Dagobah Resident
Is there a way to accelerate the relaease of karmic burdens?
ana
The Living Force
Galaxia2002 said:
As I see it, if there is a way for you to be conscious of each and every one of your actions and your motivation, if you become capable of seeing wich part of what you are living now are consequences of your own ignorance, if you listen carefully to what each and every one of those around you say and do and its consequences,.....then, maybe tears come to you and clean what is needed to be clean.
Now there is a way to accelerate this...? Maybe it depends on you.
