Reaction of (self-proclaimed) psychopath to PP video

[Nević Nenad]

Anyway, a good shock for people like me for whom the subject of psychopathy seems a bit theoretical, distant subject.

yes,
Thank you Prayers for this.



OK, he is real one, but something is more terrifying to me, that style of speech and cold thinking I see often at many “normal" people.

 

[ark]

Adding to the variety - this time in science, you may all like to look at this blog written by:


"Martyn Shrewsbury-Rowlands
The political and psychological musings of the former Leader of the Wales Green party. Martyn is a Psychotherapist and trainer .This blog represents the views of Martyn Shrewsbury alone and has no formal or informal links with Swansea Green Party or indeed the Green Party of England and Wales"

The title is: "Myron Evans the truth"

To quote just the final paragraph:

It is obvious that Myron Evans’ fraudulent use of government titles is a disruption to the public policy debate about energy and environmental pollution problems. You should be concerned that this threatens to bring disrepute and suspicion onto the honest
scientists, government, and people of Wales and the UK.

As an introduction to the subject you may like to have a look at the following references:

1) "Critical Notes On Bearden and Hoagland: http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/bearden.htm
2) "The New Theory of Everything" http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/the_new_theory_of_everything.htm
3) WAR vs. A.I.A.S http://www.ime.unicamp.br/rel_pesq/2003/ps/rp28-03.pdf
4) My previous posts to this Forum: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=540

 

[Cyre2067]

Yeah really enjoying reading translations of your interactions. Wish i could read the originals... infernal lack of a babel fish...

 

[atreides]

Just a victim trying to come to terms with his victimization by becoming/acting like a victimizer.

It sounds more like a coping mechanism to me.

 

[Keit]

Just a victim trying to come to terms with his victimization by becoming/acting like a victimizer.

It sounds more like a coping mechanism to me.

Like this for example? ;)

"Better to be a tiger for a day than a sheep for a lifetime." - Chinese Proverb

 

[Ryan]

No I don't provoke anyone, I just think that I know more than a great majority of people, but it is not because you know the logic according to which the universe and the world function that you'll automatically get a beautiful car and a beautiful house. That depends on where you were born and where you are.

If this attitude is considered as provocation, it means some people wouldn't stand the idea of knowing less about the world than others. One always repeats that everyone is equal, etc. thus when another knows more than you, and it's not thanks to worthless studies or meetings with ethnies all over the world etc., it won't do.

Imagine what would happen if everyone, and especially the 94%, knew it.

You'd accept the concept that some people are less stupid than others regardless of their education and their experiences.
Which would mean that we'd end up talking about genetics. And if you come up saying that there are genetics of fools and genetics of non-fools, well, it becomes unacceptable because it destroys the basis of a system : the illusion of equality.
(this kind of idiotic phrase : men are born free and equal)

It sounds pretty, but that it is not how it works concretely.

Yes, I think this guy is legit. There is a certain cold logic and truth to the above, plus some fairly factual observations about the self-importance of others that the writer seems quite blind to in himself. Plus his attitude towards "the way the universe and world function" seems to reflect strongly atheistic values, which is what one would expect from a psychopath who is not holding up the mask of any religious ideology for a particular aim.

In that case, it IS provocation to question all this.

This is very interesting. It's almost like the guy is saying, "By opposing my argument on any other grounds than pure logic (eg, bringing sentiment or conscience into the picture - things from that "other" reality of normal people), you are provoking me. I won't be held responsible for what happens if you do..."

As for my sincerity, I have nothing to lose by being frank.
6% will recognize themselves in these words.
94% will think I'm a pretentious nazi who has a complex.

You see, you can be frank on the Internet, I am not going to be judged, I am not going to lose my job.

So here, I can afford to express myself without being rejected by a leftist wh*re who has visited an african country where people die of starvation and who is going to teach me a theory about how the world functions.
What is right and what is wrong, etc.

Internet is a great discussion platform, that's for sure.

I'd also like to say that I much appreciate this spirit of dialogue, that is very cool!

As for the readings, I only read what is posted here and there.

Interesting the way his feeding attack was structured. He laid out in quite logical terms that he can't be harmed or affected by you, and thinks that you are trying to "teach" him. He sees this "teaching" as an emotion-driven desire to "help" or "change" another person, so after undercutting the logical roots of this wishful thinking, follows up with an insult designed to "shock and awe" the victim in order to feed.

His attack only fails if there is no emotion invested in trying to "change" him, and thus his insult seems oddly out of place in an otherwise polite (if creepy) dialogue. If you were able to consciously "play the role of a teacher" in order to give him the impression you were trying to teach him, and thus spark this attack, then that's quite an accomplishment, IMO.

Thanks for posting this. Very educational.

 

[PopHistorian]

Deckard wrote: << actually this an interesting question - if evil by definition cannot stay close to light, would we find many psychos involved in psychological work or any work that brings their insides to the light? Would psycho be able to even read ponerology >>

I don't see why not. I think we should expect psychopaths to do whatever they believe will serve them, and despite egotism and arrogance, I would expect that some of them smartly keep abreast of what "we," the 94% know about them.

It does remind me of vampire movies in which the vampires take special interest in those few mortals who, among a vast sea of unbelievers, recognize that they exist.

Remember They Live? "We've got one who can see!"

 

[Torpid]

Hes not. Just read it, its full of emotion. That isn't faked emotion, thats "I'm-backed-in-a-corner-by-the-other-94%" emotion.

He is however very intelligent.

And he may very well believe he is, but he, is something else.

 

[vinny]

Hes not. Just read it, its full of emotion. That isn't faked emotion, thats "I'm-backed-in-a-corner-by-the-other-94%" emotion.

He is however very intelligent.

And he may very well believe he is, but he, is something else.

so in your understanding, what is he?

btw, psychopaths can experience a certain level of emotion, based on availability or threat of losing feeding opportunities. this can be experienced as anger/fear/love/frustration but is all based on fulfillment (or not) of animal/narcissistic desires.

 

[Torpid]

Yes, but they feel superior not inferior and he subconsciously admitted inferiority, I'm guessing narcissist or something of the like.

He had no reason to post on the forums which is why I ruled him out as a psychopath, nothing to gain or lose but in his own self image.

 

[anart]

He had no reason to post on the forums which is why I ruled him out as a psychopath, nothing to gain or lose but in his own self image.

How about entertainment? I think you may be assuming that a psychopath's reasoning would be similar to your own. Just because you can't see that he would have a reason to post, does not mean there is no reason for him to post. Stimulation, entertainment, shock value, validation - any of these could be a satisfactory momentary 'interaction' for a psychopath.

 

[Torpid]

He had no reason to post on the forums which is why I ruled him out as a psychopath, nothing to gain or lose but in his own self image.

How about entertainment? I think you may be assuming that a psychopath's reasoning would be similar to your own. Just because you can't see that he would have a reason to post, does not mean there is no reason for him to post. Stimulation, entertainment, shock value, validation - any of these could be a satisfactory momentary 'interaction' for a psychopath.

I doubt that would have been entertaining to him, unless he would have more directly attacked the authors fans, it just seemed he was defending himself, though you could be right, I'm sure I misjudged him and I'm wrong =/

 

[anart]

I doubt that would have been entertaining to him, unless he would have more directly attacked the authors fans, it just seemed he was defending himself, though you could be right, I'm sure I misjudged him and I'm wrong =/

Well, ultimately, it's difficult to tell, of course. I think you may be assuming that it would only be interesting for him if he was tearing it down or doing blatant emotional damage. If you view it from the standpoint that he wandered across a discussion involving people who are very interested in what he considers himself to be (whether it is objectively true or not) - then it might be quite interesting to reveal himself to get a reaction.

There certainly doesn't have to be any emotional investment on his part (and if he is a psychopath, there is none) - just a possibility in his mind's eye of an emotional reaction from those people reading what he writes. Ultimately, it matters not to him - but if these people are 'fans' - which is how he might see them, simply by their interest - then why not speak up and get some reaction - it is to him, after all, just a game. osit

 

[webwizard09]

You all are clearly not psychopaths. If you were, you would be grinning while reading his post and laughing your rear off when reading some of the responses. You would recall experiments that you yourself have performed on the 94%. You would then grin again at some of your more successful ones. I know I did.

Want a super quick way to prove he is a psychopath? E-mail it to someone who you know is one. Gauge the response. Your psychopath friend should respond affirmatively. We know our brethren. We also can feel a sort of camaraderie in a sense that one is appreciating the other's work. Sleepyvinny's definition of feeling emotion is correct, but it also works with additional availability of food, which brings joy.

I'm pretty sure this was his thought process: "I'm bored.","Browse on the net.","Hmm. Ants are looking at the sky. I wonder what happens if I poke them?","Hey, let's poke them again!".

Crazyxxl should consider putting "All that is related to sexuality, the affective aspect, respect, family ties and the like." in his thoughts. A person's sexuality is very close to their self. A very easy target to destroy. A psych class would do him much good. I am still in awe of the things I now know how to do after reading a few books on the subject. Imagine turning someone that gets in your way to a degree of paranoia that they cannot sleep and are constantly twirling a knife in their hand. That's the best I've done since getting that info. Previously the most I could hope for was to just put a damper on their day. If I was lucky, I'd get tears.

He also has an error in his reasoning. Psychopaths, though like cats, are not incapable of forming packs. All of my intermediate family is psychopathic. The ends justify the means. Joining an alliance is preferable to death, yes?

Concerning the AI question, the mechanical psychopath would continue along lines of doing what follows the desired end. Inserting a clause that requires it to have its logic independently checked would be enough to prevent disaster. Keep in mind a cold person doesn't have to be a murderer, just accomplish their goals.

As to Laura's article in Cassiopedia, I was a little miffed about psychopaths being described as having a lower IQ than normal folk. Upon further thought though, 6% has gotten to be a little too large and we need to cleanse the herd of the mentally deficient. The respectable psychopaths are not impulsive and think things through so as to cause the best effect. The disgusting psychopaths are the ones you wind up getting to study. Semantically, I dislike how psychopathy has been characterized as a disorder by some. Arguably, psychopathy is an advancement in the human brain, allowing for greater neocortical control over the limbic system. An ultimately advanced psychopath has absolute control as to whether or not the limbic system is on or off.

 

[Ryan]

As to Laura's article in Cassiopedia, I was a little miffed about psychopaths being described as having a lower IQ than normal folk. Upon further thought though, 6% has gotten to be a little too large and we need to cleanse the herd of the mentally deficient. The respectable psychopaths are not impulsive and think things through so as to cause the best effect. The disgusting psychopaths are the ones you wind up getting to study.

Interesting. What makes you classify them as "disgusting"? Sounds a bit, err.. emotional... to be honest.