Reader claims: "#OCCUPYWALLSTREET IS COINTELPRO"

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Occupy Wall Street is COINTELPRO (Phony Opposition) : _http://www.henrymakow.com/occupy_wall_street_is_cointelp.html

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET IS COINTELPRO

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET IS COINTELPRO

It seems to me that stating that the whole organisation is cointelpro is at least for the moment too one sided. I don´t exclude that it is or that it will become soon, but for the moment there seem not sufficient data to state it is as such cointelpro. That it is more then likely already infiltrated by different agents, seems to state the obvious. That many people taken part in it are not fully aware of what they are getting into and with who they are dealing with, seems also be the case. I have not read that the movement has knowledge of the concepts of psychopathy and ponerization. We can talk here about useful idiots whose intentions will be manipulated. What the infomation indicates is that for the moment genuine efforts are made to organise the movement in a participatory and non violent way, which indicates to me that at least in this stage the movement has been born from a genuine concern to change things and is a example of people´s power. Movements in the Arab world seem also to have been born from a genuine will to change things, but, as the facts over time have shown, were soon coopted by the PTB and diverted into a counterproductive direction opposite of the orginal one. It did not take long before they were promoting (a part) of the agenda of the PTB instead of opposing it. It is highly probable the same will occur with the occupy wall street movement. FWIW.
 
Makow has proven himself to be COINTELPRO (conscious or not), so might want to take what he writes with a large grain of salt.
 
And what about CIA or more specifically OTPOR*?

This very good paper looks very interesting, maybe I am wrong, and maybe I am too "young" in knowledge too... :-[
But it sounds strange to me.

I left a link on the French Sott some days ago (so, in French)...
http://fr.sott.net/articles/show/5591-Les-manifestants-de-Occupy-Wall-Street-font-un-proces-a-la-ville-de-New-York-Dissident-Voice-
...about this link here (in English):

"Occupy Wall Street Affiliated With Professional Revolutionary Organization OTPOR (CIA)"
http://djosiris.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-affiliated-with.html and this article is pretty well documented...

*The word 'otpor' translated from Serbian is "resistance".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otpor!
 
I think as least OWS has been cooped for political gain. That's how the ptb get things done. They did it with the antiwar movement in the 60s, and they are doing it now. It's interesting how the whole like to be at odds with itself in order to give the illusion of resistance, then when it's all said and done, "Meet to new boss same as the old boss" and the band plays on. For instance the Peace movement thought they had achieved greatness by getting rid of Nixson only to have Ford and later Carter to continue the wishes of their masters. Same thing with Obama and "Change We Can Believe In" which became more or the same but only worse, as It continued under the guise of a "people president. What a laugh. The only thing one can change is ones mind. Perhaps things around you, maybe one can even gain ear amongst a segment of society, but when it comes to the ptb forget it, they aren't buying it.
 
For now, claiming it's been co-opted or calling OWS cointelpro is definitely not accurate or a straight up lie to say the least. I've been down to Zucotti park and its the most down to earth, genuine group of people I've met protesting. They're setting up their own infrastructure, they have food, medicine, sanitation, even a library. It's quite safe, and if there's a threat of violence from the police it's circulated and anyone not wanting to face arrest can leave before things escalate.

There's also a lot of discussion going on, a lot of peoples ideas about what's happening and why - its all very unique. There are workshops on womens rights, non violence, meditation, it goes on and on.

So as far as I'm concerned, this is a genuine grass-roots movement by activists to put a stop to the rampant corruption of the corporate state. I will continue to support it until such a time as that fundamentally changes.
 
I agree with Puck, it seems quite genuine.

And even if it had been initiated as 'COINTELPRO', the majority of the participants are obviously not part of such an agenda. If you then consider the fact that there is no way of knowing exactly how things will turn out before they actually do, then it's not really all that important who started the movement, as long as the ones maintaining it, have good intentions.
 
Puck said:
For now, claiming it's been co-opted or calling OWS cointelpro is definitely not accurate or a straight up lie to say the least. I've been down to Zucotti park and its the most down to earth, genuine group of people I've met protesting. They're setting up their own infrastructure, they have food, medicine, sanitation, even a library. It's quite safe, and if there's a threat of violence from the police it's circulated and anyone not wanting to face arrest can leave before things escalate.

There's also a lot of discussion going on, a lot of peoples ideas about what's happening and why - its all very unique. There are workshops on womens rights, non violence, meditation, it goes on and on.

So as far as I'm concerned, this is a genuine grass-roots movement by activists to put a stop to the rampant corruption of the corporate state. I will continue to support it until such a time as that fundamentally changes.
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Puck, have you noticed if the people there at the protest know that there are factions that could be trying to co-opt their movement?

I would think that many of them would be reading articles on the internet about Soros and the democrats maybe trying to infiltrate the movement for their own purposes and control, and agent provocateurs would also be something to watch out for.

What have you seen regarding this. If you haven't seen any awareness that this could, in fact, be something that could happen, maybe you would like to start mentioning these things.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
Puck, have you noticed if the people there at the protest know that there are factions that could be trying to co-opt their movement?
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This is for why my question about OTPOR. And because this "Occupy Wall-Street" is very followed by big medias, and THIS is suspect to me.
But how could I really know? I am not American, I do not live in USA, and my English is not so fluent, so I am not the better one to talk about this subject, but without can explain why I feel something. Maybe am I wrong... :cool2:
 
Puck said:
For now, claiming it's been co-opted or calling OWS cointelpro
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I think this is comparing apples to oranges. OWS is obviously being "co-oped" in that the mainstream media is only presenting carefully edited clips of what's actually occurring, and you can clearly see how they're trying to manipulate the sheeple perspective for their own purposes. If they didn't do this, I think I'd fall over in a faint.

While it's likely that cointelpro type gov/corp employes have infiltrated various groups involved in the protest (they always do) I think it's really hard for these agents to exert any form of effective control when there's no central authority to speak of. It's the independent "anonymous" aspects of these protests that have me interested. This is new in American protest movements, and it makes the results difficult to predict. :evil:

Yes. the PTB have the resources and abilities to either corrupt and/or destroy ANYONE in charge of any citizen action that has a hope of damaging the elite...but what are they going to do when no one is in charge?

I think these kids are onto something, and instead of keeping it to themselves, they're sharing whatever they can do with the rest of the 99%. Everyone can participate in OWS some way or another if they wish. While I might not be able to get myself to a big city to march, I can help publisize their activities, rebut the mainstream media's false claims, even send the protestors a few dozen pizzas, without leaving my chair.

Last week I waded through a bunch of paperwork, and starting next week, both my personal and business banking will be at a local Credit Union "co-op." I don't have much, so Wachovia/Well Fargo won't even notice the loss...alone I'm barely a drop in a huge ocean. But what if ALL of us working poor who're barely hanging on to lower middle class by our fingernails moved what little money we have out of the big banks? Those of us with small businesses and/or working family incomes can help Occupy Wall Street with our keyboards and bank books. All it takes is the effort, and I think it's worth it to at least try.

What are the PTB going to do if we ALL start to protest, in whatever way we can, without any leadership or motivation beyond our own convictions?
 
Scarlett said:
This is for why my question about OTPOR. And because this "Occupy Wall-Street" is very followed by big medias, and THIS is suspect to me.
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The American Media can/will turn ANY event into gov/corp propaganda....count on it!

A puppy falls down a well, and his rescue gets national attention.... while hundreds of Lakota starve/freeze to death a few hundred miles away, completely unnoticed. More resources will be used to save the puppy than are expended on the Lakota tragedy in a year.

There is absolutely nothing useful to be gained from the American mainstream media ...unless you're a comedian.
 
DGF said:
Still class warfare isn't the greatest instrument of change, *see the Bolshevik Revolution*
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You're really spouting the mainstream media talking points here, aren't you? Class warfare? Class warfare has been ongoing since the onset of capitalism. Class warfare is the millions of people in this country who can't afford healthcare, who aren't paid a living wage and who can only afford poisoned garbage for food. Class warfare is the standard operating procedure in Western culture. Wake up for a second and take a look around, DGF.

Will these protests accomplish a complete change of how this society runs? Probably not - but at least these people care enough to get up off their rears and stand up long enough to make it clear what matters to them. That's admirable.
 
anart said:
Will these protests accomplish a complete change of how this society runs? Probably not - but at least these people care enough to get up off their rears and stand up long enough to make it clear what matters to them. That's admirable.
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It is!
We were talking about the fact Americans had to get up several months ago, my husband and myself, and we are seeing this wish become true, so we are attentive on what is happening specifically in USA but also in others countries...
 
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