Thanks for posting that, Luke. NOT looking good! It seems the infiltration and takeover by authoritarians is already well advanced. Let's see what happens. Hopefully it's not too late to turn this around.
Reader claims: "#OCCUPYWALLSTREET IS COINTELPRO"
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Thanks for that great find Luke. I'm actually quite upset about this. :(
Is it too late to print fliers highlighting the main points of Political Ponerology and distribute them like candy among the occupations?
Is it too late to print fliers highlighting the main points of Political Ponerology and distribute them like candy among the occupations?
Gonzo
The Living Force
Well, thanks luke. That's rather disturbing but not surprising. Eventually the sheep will follow a shepherd if that's all they've been programmed to do. This reminds me of the difficulties we've experienced in the thread Laura initiated about creating a new world. It's so hard to break free of the only patterns we know.
As a former journalist who left the trade in disgust of lazy journalism, I have to admit I'm enjoying watching the media try to report on the movement. While some are obvious shills for their publishers, others seem to be trying to cover it, but they only know the lazy way of finding a leader and grabbing a sound bite. Sorry guys, this takes effort. Ya gotta dig deep before you can cover this baby!
Gonzo
As a former journalist who left the trade in disgust of lazy journalism, I have to admit I'm enjoying watching the media try to report on the movement. While some are obvious shills for their publishers, others seem to be trying to cover it, but they only know the lazy way of finding a leader and grabbing a sound bite. Sorry guys, this takes effort. Ya gotta dig deep before you can cover this baby!
Gonzo
Gonzo
The Living Force
Well, considering the possibility that 4th density STS controllers have the ability to go back in time as we know it and plant seeds to alter their future to their advantage, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that certain 3rd density organizations either initiated or aided in the momentum of the movement. There certainly are benefits for the PTB to have this movement gain widespread appeal within certain confines of it effect.
One thought that I'm trying to flush out in my own mind is the possibility that governments can benefit from #occupations by having them become the providers of social services the various governments fell can no longer provide.
As homelessness increases, camps will continue to see an influx of economic and health care refugees, attracted to an apparently caring community that might be able to provide for their urgent needs. These encampments could quickly become refugee camps, if the PTB so desire. Not only does it solve their problems of funding the provision of basic necessities by off-loading them onto the #occupy movement, but it keeps their both their enemies and undesirable confined, visible and bogged down in serving each other, which draws resources away from revolutionary planning and execution.
In reality, the #occupy movement can become so occupied with providing for the needy that the word "occupy" becomes an inside joke for the PTB - #occupyoccupy.
Gonzo
One thought that I'm trying to flush out in my own mind is the possibility that governments can benefit from #occupations by having them become the providers of social services the various governments fell can no longer provide.
As homelessness increases, camps will continue to see an influx of economic and health care refugees, attracted to an apparently caring community that might be able to provide for their urgent needs. These encampments could quickly become refugee camps, if the PTB so desire. Not only does it solve their problems of funding the provision of basic necessities by off-loading them onto the #occupy movement, but it keeps their both their enemies and undesirable confined, visible and bogged down in serving each other, which draws resources away from revolutionary planning and execution.
In reality, the #occupy movement can become so occupied with providing for the needy that the word "occupy" becomes an inside joke for the PTB - #occupyoccupy.
Gonzo
luke wilson said:
This is the final solution I think to the OWS movements. We've already seen a little move in that direction with Jose Pimentel today. It wouldn't take much for the powers that be to push that a little further and blow something up and blame the 'anarchy of the OWS movement allowing Muslim terrorists to pass unnoticed'. People protestors have no answer to that kind of attack. What Chossudovsky does not understand is the fact that we are dealing with psychopaths in power. There is no way that they will back down in the face of any movement, if they cannot co-opt and thereby destroy it, they will take more serious measures. The only way a REAL change in the hierarchy on this planet can be effected via popular protests is revolution, and bloody, to one extent or another. History bears that out, and we have not evolved as a species since the revolutions of old. It's going to take a serious, direct and violent confrontation between the people and the 'forces of law and order' where those forces ultimately side with the people. Of course, the problem with that scenario is that once the revolution is over, it eventual becomes "meet the new boss same as the old boss". So I'm not advocating this kind of revolution, because it doesn't work in the end, but that's usually the way it transpires, and I can see no other way to unseat a corrupt and very entrenched bunch of psychos, if only temporarily.
webglider
Dagobah Resident
Quote from Whitecoast
I went down there about two weeks ago with two copies of Political Ponerology. I spoke to someone who was in the steering committee at the time, and, before I gave the books to her, I told her a little bit about the author, explained offered a definition of "ponerology", introduced the idea of psychopaths in power, gave her some examples of psychopathic characteristics, and then suggested that as there were brought two copies, two people might want to read them at the same time. I also told her to be careful of infiltrators, and she said that they were and that there were already a number of troublemakers.
I didn't mention anything about SOTT, but I did leave the SOTT bookmarks in the books.
Then I left. I wonder who, if anyone, is reading the books now since their library has been taken.
I went down there about two weeks ago with two copies of Political Ponerology. I spoke to someone who was in the steering committee at the time, and, before I gave the books to her, I told her a little bit about the author, explained offered a definition of "ponerology", introduced the idea of psychopaths in power, gave her some examples of psychopathic characteristics, and then suggested that as there were brought two copies, two people might want to read them at the same time. I also told her to be careful of infiltrators, and she said that they were and that there were already a number of troublemakers.
I didn't mention anything about SOTT, but I did leave the SOTT bookmarks in the books.
Then I left. I wonder who, if anyone, is reading the books now since their library has been taken.
Perceval said:
I think the only way the people would be able to answer that type of accusation would be to take it a step further toward truth and bring to conscious attention the artificiality of the war on terror. But that may require a deeper commitment to truth and giving they may not be ready for. Which is unfortunate, since the more they continue on with the old patterns of wishful thinking (i.e. the more sts the movement is) the more trivial it is for the powers that be to simply reconstitute it as another branch of control. Regardless of whether or not it is unsuccessful (they get crushed) or "successful" (in which there's a bloody revolution and a new serry of psychopaths and spellbinders resume control). A party of me wonders if party of the problem is a lack of intellectual or ideological leadership. The founding fathers, after all, were fundamentally pivotal in ensuring the fruits of the American revolution.
webglider said:
Wow, good on you! :) I've visited a protest here one day, and had a conversation with a guy who was interested in giving a speech. The topic figured more toward the necessity of solving our own problems and self-knowledge than ponerology, but I thought that it's somewhat hard to compress all of ponerology and psychopathy into soundbites. That's why I thought pamphlets highlighting the main points would be more productive than handing out actual books en masse, since it's less expensive and protestors and people on their day out are more likely to read that than a large book. Adding to the library was a smart idea though :) They took... The library? :O
Mr.Anderson
Jedi Master
Good for yo Whitecoat. I think it might be an opportunity to expose some people to the idea of psychopaths ruling our world. The OWS crowd might be able to recieve this kind of information as well as how movements like this are co-oped. cointelpro etc.
webglider
Dagobah Resident
Quote from whitecoast:
They not only took it, they destroyed most of it.
http://www.truth-out.org/nypd-raid-occupys-zuccotti-park-camp-destroyed-thousands-books/1322121600
Quote from whitecoast:
I think the pamphlets are a great idea, and probably more effective than just two books. I don't think Occupy Wallstreet is the only viable place to distribute them either. I talk about the main concepts a lot when I do outreach on fracking. If I have time, I might copy your idea and compile some talking points to hand out at rallies and hearings. In any case, I think it's a good idea to have them ready before they're needed.
I would really like those who are leading the OWS movement to read Political Ponerology in its entirety though.
If OWS comes back, I'll buy two more used copies of Political Ponerology and bring them down again.
They not only took it, they destroyed most of it.
http://www.truth-out.org/nypd-raid-occupys-zuccotti-park-camp-destroyed-thousands-books/1322121600
Quote from whitecoast:
I think the pamphlets are a great idea, and probably more effective than just two books. I don't think Occupy Wallstreet is the only viable place to distribute them either. I talk about the main concepts a lot when I do outreach on fracking. If I have time, I might copy your idea and compile some talking points to hand out at rallies and hearings. In any case, I think it's a good idea to have them ready before they're needed.
I would really like those who are leading the OWS movement to read Political Ponerology in its entirety though.
If OWS comes back, I'll buy two more used copies of Political Ponerology and bring them down again.
I'd like to give an update on my experiences in the Occupy Movement as of late. Since the Occupy in my City was evicted, there have been a number of developments. The one that had the biggest impact on me was the 'Occupy Conversations' event that happened in the old TSX (Toronto Stock Exchange) building last week. There were about 200+ people at roughly 20 tables that had a creative brainstorming session on what goals Occupy needs to focus on as well as principles and guidelines for the movement.
All the tables selected a representative to briefly explain to the crowd the overall consensus at each table while this lady wrote it down on a large piece of paper. She then went on to synthesize all the ideas together, emphasizing on what was repeated by multiple tables into a fundamental platform as to what Occupy represents.
That synthesis was interesting because not only does it have to do with building communication, inclusivity, and a number of fundamental principles that a community would need to embody in order to survive harsh times, as well as tactics for protest and outreach to the general populace, but also seemed to delve, as if subconsciously, into our paleolithic roots, with talks of creating smaller Occupy communities throughout with networks linking them together. Nomadic lifestyle was specifically used.
There's still a large ignorance to psychopathy, proper dieting for optimal health, and always the possibility of co-opting and power struggles coming into play, but I'm definitely interested to see where this goes and if there is an even an iota of a chance of actually building these communities with the way things are going on the planet.
I've been handing out flyers that are psychopathy related, haven't touched on the diet with anyone as of yet, though. There are a lot of vegans in the movement, so I need to tread carefully. But definitely trying to create awareness of sustainable, grass fed, animal raising practices. Hopefully it will catch on and show people that there is a viable solution to factory farming that completely ties into the principles they are trying to espouse.
All the tables selected a representative to briefly explain to the crowd the overall consensus at each table while this lady wrote it down on a large piece of paper. She then went on to synthesize all the ideas together, emphasizing on what was repeated by multiple tables into a fundamental platform as to what Occupy represents.
That synthesis was interesting because not only does it have to do with building communication, inclusivity, and a number of fundamental principles that a community would need to embody in order to survive harsh times, as well as tactics for protest and outreach to the general populace, but also seemed to delve, as if subconsciously, into our paleolithic roots, with talks of creating smaller Occupy communities throughout with networks linking them together. Nomadic lifestyle was specifically used.
There's still a large ignorance to psychopathy, proper dieting for optimal health, and always the possibility of co-opting and power struggles coming into play, but I'm definitely interested to see where this goes and if there is an even an iota of a chance of actually building these communities with the way things are going on the planet.
I've been handing out flyers that are psychopathy related, haven't touched on the diet with anyone as of yet, though. There are a lot of vegans in the movement, so I need to tread carefully. But definitely trying to create awareness of sustainable, grass fed, animal raising practices. Hopefully it will catch on and show people that there is a viable solution to factory farming that completely ties into the principles they are trying to espouse.
It looks like another interesting article. Many possibilities , most probable one is some pathologicals coopting and hijacking the entire movements, which CNN conveniently projects it on to the entire movement.
Occupy's 'nerve center' staffed by Soros activists
Occupy's 'nerve center' staffed by Soros activists
weasel3d
Jedi
seek10 said:
If you look up both Joseph Farah, who runs WorlNetDaily (the site the piece is posted on) and Aaron Klein, who wrote that piece, on OWS, you may think twice about that article being interesting, for its content. It's more interesting for the backgrounds of those two guys. Personally, it looks like professional dis-info to me.
513
Padawan Learner
I can only comment on the 'protesters' that were here in Albuquerque, NM, by my husband who questioned a number of participants here, back when it was taking place...
None of those my husband asked could adequately communicate what it was that they were protesting or standing up for! Person after person had very little in the way of knowledge/facts of the situation, they only knew that something was wrong with the whole wall street, but of all those that were asked, NONE were clear about what exactly it was that they were protesting against, here in NM!
The more questions that were asked, the more evident it was that they didn't really know all of the facts going on...they were just there because they knew that there was some sort of problem, but they had no real facts about what exactly it was that they were 'protesting' against.
My husband left the whole thing feeling that it was a terrible situtation, because of the responses that he had recieved from many of the participants who did not truly understand and were mostly ignorant of all of the dynamics involved by what it was that they were 'sensing' but had no knowledge or concrete facts which to base it upon!
So many may 'sense' a problem, but do not take the time to research what it is that they may intuit? Seems likely from what my husband gathered at this 'protest'!
None of those my husband asked could adequately communicate what it was that they were protesting or standing up for! Person after person had very little in the way of knowledge/facts of the situation, they only knew that something was wrong with the whole wall street, but of all those that were asked, NONE were clear about what exactly it was that they were protesting against, here in NM!
The more questions that were asked, the more evident it was that they didn't really know all of the facts going on...they were just there because they knew that there was some sort of problem, but they had no real facts about what exactly it was that they were 'protesting' against.
My husband left the whole thing feeling that it was a terrible situtation, because of the responses that he had recieved from many of the participants who did not truly understand and were mostly ignorant of all of the dynamics involved by what it was that they were 'sensing' but had no knowledge or concrete facts which to base it upon!
So many may 'sense' a problem, but do not take the time to research what it is that they may intuit? Seems likely from what my husband gathered at this 'protest'!
