Reader claims: "#OCCUPYWALLSTREET IS COINTELPRO"

[Buddy]

Still class warfare isn't the greatest instrument of change, *see the Bolshevik Revolution*

Americans aren't Russians, we're a Nation made up of people from every race and/or religion on the planet....and we tend to be descended from some of the most ornery members of those various races and religions. Except for the Indians, our ancestors were kicked out of some of the greatest countries in the world (at the time) ;D

Yep and that also explains why we have the greatest concentration of entepreneur-minded, non-change-resistant, non-novelty-averse dynamos on the planet! All we need do is get about 4 million or so off methylphenidate.

Advocacy type projects such as that are what take most of my available time and excite me to no end! It's what I was born to do. :)

 

[DontBSkerred]

I'm glad that there's a large enough percentage of people out there that are not just tired of accepting what's being spoon-fed to them, but are unifying their voices loud enough to be heard. While I don't doubt that this could be swayed or perhaps even encouraged by those who are being protested against (much like the protests and liberation we've heard about all year in the Middle East), but this can be a very important time for us. Mob rule.

Now someone has to get creative and come up with something else. Can't just camp out the whole time. The attention is grabbed and acknowledged, now it's got to be taken seriously. Very curious to see where this goes. They have my attention, and for now, my support.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

Anart

Will these protests accomplish a complete change of how this society runs? Probably not - but at least these people care enough to get up off their rears and stand up long enough to make it clear what matters to them. That's admirable.

Over 100 people arrested in Denver just the other day. (Occupy Denver)

 

[MK Scarlett]

Sydney, Madrid, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, Sarajevo(Bosnia), Stockholm are also currently being 'occupied'. So far no news on France...

Here is a video showing the organisation and the walk on 15th October in Paris and we can notice there is a lot of people, but media did not talked so much about it. So, let's see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF29LFdw6hM&feature=share


In France, we do not say "Occupy Paris", or Bordeaux or whatever. We use to say, from the first Spain walk, Les Indignés, term come from the book Les Indignés (Time for Outrage!) of Stéphane Hessel, wrote last year. Who is Stéphane Hessel?

Stéphane Frédéric Hessel (born 20 October 1917) is a diplomat, ambassador, writer, concentration camp survivor, former French Resistance fighter and BCRA agent. Born German, he became a naturalised French citizen in 1939. He participated in the editing of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948.
[...]
Time for Outrage!

In October 2010, his essay, Time for Outrage! (original French title: Indignez-vous!), was published in an edition of 6,000 copies (ISBN-13: 978-1455509720 ). It has sold more than 3.5 million copies worldwide[11] and has been translated into Basque, Catalan,[12] Italian,[3] German.[2] Greek, Portuguese,[3] Slovenian,[13] Spanish[3], Croatian, and Hebrew.[14] Translations into Korean, Japanese, Hungarian, Swedish and other languages are planned. In the United States, The Nation magazine's March 7–14, 2011 issue published the entire essay in English.[3][15]
Hessel's booklet argues that the French need to again become outraged, as were those who participated in the Resistance during World War II. Hessel's reasons for personal outrage include the growing gap between the very rich and the very poor, France's treatment of its illegal immigrants, the need to re-establish a free press, the need to protect the environment, importance of protecting the French welfare system,[3] and the plight of Palestinians, recommending that people read the September 2009 Goldstone Report.[16] He calls for peaceful and non-violent insurrection.[16]
In 2011, one of the names given to the Spanish protests against corruption and bipartisan politics was Los Indignados (the outraged), taken from the title of the book's translation there (¡Indignaos!). These protests, in conjunction with the Arab Spring, later helped to inspire other protests in many countries, including Greece, Israel, and Occupy Wall Street which began in New York's financial district, but has now spread across the United States and numerous other countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Hessel

 

[luke wilson]

Sydney, Madrid, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, Sarajevo(Bosnia), Stockholm are also currently being 'occupied'. So far no news on France...

Here is a video showing the organisation and the walk on 15th October in Paris and we can notice there is a lot of people, but media did not talked so much about it. So, let's see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF29LFdw6hM&feature=share

Thanks for the video. It seemed quite nice - very carnival like. No police in sight, like I didn't even see 1 police, are they camouflaged?

Compare to Occupy London

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTBMnsgRqk4

Heeeeeello Police State!

 

[MK Scarlett]

Sydney, Madrid, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, Sarajevo(Bosnia), Stockholm are also currently being 'occupied'. So far no news on France...

Here is a video showing the organisation and the walk on 15th October in Paris and we can notice there is a lot of people, but media did not talked so much about it. So, let's see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF29LFdw6hM&feature=share

Thanks for the video. It seemed quite nice - very carnival like. No police in sight, like I didn't even see 1 police, are they camouflaged?

Compare to Occupy London

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTBMnsgRqk4

Heeeeeello Police State!

Do we really need to compare?
I was in the demonstrations in Paris on the last year (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/19/france-future-fighting-back - http://www.economist.com/node/18584584) so I only can talk about myself experiences, and I know that when French people want to wake-up, they do.
I do think French people are expecting (rightly or wrongly) something really "big" to move. While our government spends laws in soft at night, French are far from all to be woken, although I note a change of tone in my circle of acquaintances (who are rather used to being deaf and blind) concerning the certain truths which begin to show through here and there...

 

[luke wilson]

Hey Scarlett,

Thanks for sharing the information. Clearly as the youth riots of last year show, France is like nearly all other countries with disenfranchised sections of society. No need for comparison and comparison only serves to show differences in culture and ways of doing things. My comment was merely that from the video you posted, the movement of the Los Indignados on that day is not as intimidating as the one in London since they are not marshalled by police officers who at any time can instigate violence.

 

[Roland J. Prather]

Occupy wall-street is different from other movements I mean they really have a community going and growing, full of educated people. So i don't think the PTB will co-opt the occupancy for violence but I think they will play the strategy of waiting the occupiers out. In a way of causing discouragement and frustration because the PTB are not going to give in even a tiny bit and may even clamp down on the groups liberties of creative protest. I think they will play the morale game of draining the enthusiasm of the movement.

And then again I don’t think the PTB have that kind of time knowing that global cataclysm and global unrest is coming. It could be that they are being push in the corner and they are trying to keep the lid on (maintain control) as long as possible. I just don’t think that the psychopaths will play the same violent corrosion cointelpro strategy for ever movement although when it is needed.

 

[MK Scarlett]

Hey Scarlett,

Thanks for sharing the information. Clearly as the youth riots of last year show, France is like nearly all other countries with disenfranchised sections of society. No need for comparison and comparison only serves to show differences in culture and ways of doing things. My comment was merely that from the video you posted, the movement of the Los Indignados on that day is not as intimidating as the one in London since they are not marshalled by police officers who at any time can instigate violence.

Thanks to you for explaining your previous comment, and I am sorry if I could make you believe something I didn't think, the English language not being my mother tong - I guess you noted that ;) - and I agree, police was not very visible in Paris (but be sure they were not so far), and I do not forget the demonstrations in London in last March, events which certainly have a lot to do with the fact that the police was so numerous on the last October 15th.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Every now and then I see demonstrations in western countries on the news (when I cant escape watching it). Reminds me on demonstrations and walks in my country during nineties (that went for years and years). It is looking so romantic and I will dare to say: innocent, childish, with no negative intent.

I'm sure that nothing of that will succeed, no goals will be directly achieved. Power in western countries is too psychopathic for centuries now and holds everything very firmly, people are too much tired, scared and brainwashed. But even if there would be no direct consequences of the demonstrations, I'm sure that there will be more indirect changes, one tiny bit by one tiny bit that will help people who are up to it, to awake. Also I think that most of the people actually don't have a clue why are they protesting, maybe they just sense something, some change, draws something from the collective unconscious :)

 

[Kaigen]

:) I have question about arresting people on protests. I am shore that in different country's there is different law. For ex. On the bridge in Brooklyn, they arrested 700 protesers. What happens to them? They just write their personalities and let them go. Or if you are registered than you have to stay in jail? Do you have any experiences in being arested?

 

[Nević Nenad]

:) I have question about arresting people on protests. I am shore that in different country's there is different law. For ex. On the bridge in Brooklyn, they arrested 700 protesers. What happens to them? They just write their personalities and let them go. Or if you are registered than you have to stay in jail? Do you have any experiences in being arested?

Probably made them some records in the police. In my country people arrested in protests usually are charged on "non criminal" charges (don't know the English expression), which mean that they must pay some sum of money, something like with the cars.

 

[ocean59]

On the bridge in Brooklyn, they arrested 700 protesers. What happens to them? They just write their personalities and let them go. Or if you are registered than you have to stay in jail? Do you have any experiences in being arested?

What happens can vary from city to city I believe, and is dependent on a few factors.

The number of people being arrested, and what actions those people subsequently take, can have a big effect. For example, if all 700 people arrested in Brooklyn decided to plead not guilty and demand a trial, all charges would likely be dropped. The reality of the matter is that the city New York likely cannot afford 700 trials in either time, money, or public sentiment. However, what will probably happen instead, is that people will plead guilty, and pay a fine. Those who plea not guilty, will be offered a lesser charge in exchange for their guilty plea. The few remaining that still plea not guilty will either have their charges dropped, or could actually see a trial, in which the case could still be beaten.

One example of this playing out in history that I can remember is from 2002, and after proper education and resistance, mass charges filed against a large group in Racine, Wisconsin were eventually completely dropped. The city simply did not want to spend the time and money involved after their intimidation tactics failed.

_http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/266/raverebellion.shtml
_http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/272/racinecaves.shtml

The key here is, obviously, educating the group of people being arrested. Strength in numbers!

 

[lid107]

Would it be that much of a suprise if the OWS movement was just a distraction? Anyone who has watched these "movements" just suddenly spring up knows they are almost always compromised by government agents long before they hit your city. Half of the group believes in what they are doing. A third is along for the sex and drugs and the rest are government agitators. Put no faith or stock into this movement. Do so at your peril.

 

[ana]

Would it be that much of a suprise if the OWS movement was just a distraction? Anyone who has watched these "movements" just suddenly spring up knows they are almost always compromised by government agents long before they hit your city. Half of the group believes in what they are doing. A third is along for the sex and drugs and the rest are government agitators. Put no faith or stock into this movement. Do so at your peril.

Where did you get these statistics?