Rebuilding the Tower of Babel

Ok I've had a look at this and I'd recommend this thread on the magnetic centre with some quotes by Gurdjieff and Mouravieff.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9331.0

I was thinking about your post and the magnetite transcripts were from 1999 about two or three years previous to coming across the Mouravieff text. I'd recommend a read of Mouravieff's Gnosis I and how this magnetic centre is fused. Get a bunch of people similarly "magnetized" and things begin to happen.

So you're sort of on track.
 
OmniVersal said:
Thank you for the welcome. The following is not just a response to you specifically but contains further thoughts pertaining to previous responses.

Hi OmniVersal,

The thread has been moved to the section "The Cassiopaean experiment" and the title has been modified.

Here is the proper place to present yourself. You can do your intro there in telling us how you find this site, if you have read The Waves....
 
Hi Omniversal... interesting collection of texts. I think I see where you are going, and yes, that seems to be the solution.

Have a look at the most recent sessions:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12514.0

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12634.0

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12737.0

As you will see, in this session: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12634.0 , (or rather before it), I was guided to a selection of excerpts that go right along with the ones you selected out.

Uniting is definitely the key... but how to do it after 6,000 years of being programmed and divided by pathological puppets being manipulated by 4 D STS for their own nefarious agenda?

As far as we can see, the only solution is for as many people as possible to process out their emotional blockages and expand their abilities to see and know, and in this way, establish a colinear core of individuals who are not only individuated, but going in the same direction.
 
Johnno said:
Ok I've had a look at this and I'd recommend this thread on the magnetic centre with some quotes by Gurdjieff and Mouravieff.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9331.0

I was thinking about your post and the magnetite transcripts were from 1999 about two or three years previous to coming across the Mouravieff text. I'd recommend a read of Mouravieff's Gnosis I and how this magnetic centre is fused. Get a bunch of people similarly "magnetized" and things begin to happen.

So you're sort of on track.

I have not read much of 'M' or 'G'. Only exerts presented in different threads and articles on the cass sites. But I have read enough to have the "magnetic center" concept as part of my working toolbox. And I agree that it's an important part of whatever the group does.
 
Namaste said:
OmniVersal said:
Thank you for the welcome. The following is not just a response to you specifically but contains further thoughts pertaining to previous responses.

Hi OmniVersal,

The thread has been moved to the section "The Cassiopaean experiment" and the title has been modified.

Here is the proper place to present yourself. You can do your intro there in telling us how you find this site, if you have read The Waves....

Hello,

PepperFritz was the moderator that moved this thread from The Cassiopaean Experiment to the Newbies forum and changed the title. I don't want to cause any issues between moderators. I hope that the move back is agreeable by all those involved.

Is it a rule that new members must create an introduction thread? If so, I will create another thread for that purpose.


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Pryf said:
Wellcome OmniVersal :)

Thank You. :)
 
OmniVersal said:
Is it a rule that new members must create an introduction thread? If so, I will create another thread for that purpose.

It is not a rule but it is sort of a custom (tradition) that new members present themselves to the members of this forum.
 
Laura said:
Hi Omniversal... interesting collection of texts. I think I see where you are going, and yes, that seems to be the solution.

Thank you for the response Laura. What is your take on the issue of free-will in respect to such a scenario?

Just so you know who this is, I met you and the family back in Florida shortly before you left for France. Your family and I spoke for hours and we even watched a video about Disney and UFOs. I met with Tom first per your request.

I have followed your work since and have read the most recent transcripts.

I would be willing to flush the idea out more if the group deems it worthy of further inquiry. I don't want to waste anyone's time with dead-ends though.
 
Namaste said:
OmniVersal said:
Is it a rule that new members must create an introduction thread? If so, I will create another thread for that purpose.

It is not a rule but it is sort of a custom (tradition) that new members present themselves to the members of this forum.

I will work on that when I wake up tomorrow.
 
OmniVersal said:
Is it a rule that new members must create an introduction thread? If so, I will create another thread for that purpose.

It's not a rule, as Namaste mentioned, but we do like to know a bit about individuals who come along with "interpretations" due to the LOOOOOONG history of nutzoids showing up with their assumptions and solutions which generally turn out to be their belief that they are the new messiah and everything the Cs have ever said applies exclusively to them. Then, there are the nutzoids who misinterpret because they haven't got a clue about the basis of the questions nor the context. So, naturally, if you put yourself in the shoes of the moderators who have been dealing with this sort of thing - and some serious whackos on top of it - for a long time, you'll see that what is seen as important is not wasting time on whackos, and observing the courtesy protocols seems to help sort that out.

OmniVersal said:
Laura said:
Hi Omniversal... interesting collection of texts. I think I see where you are going, and yes, that seems to be the solution.

Thank you for the response Laura. What is your take on the issue of free-will in respect to such a scenario?

Free will? As the Cs have pointed out, the STS gang have been violating free will for over 300 K years. I've posted some of the Cs comments on this issue here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/Eiriu-Eolas/

OmniVersal said:
Just so you know who this is, I met you and the family back in Florida shortly before you left for France. Your family and I spoke for hours and we even watched a video about Disney and UFOs. I met with Tom first per your request.

Sorry that it doesn't ring a bell - we have met SO many people and watched so many UFO videos...

OmniVersal said:
I have followed your work since and have read the most recent transcripts.

I would be willing to flush the idea out more if the group deems it worthy of further inquiry. I don't want to waste anyone's time with dead-ends though.

The thing is, we are faced with a truly unique situation. As I wrote in the thread on the recent transcript:

Human beings were only able to evolve because of social ties. Trusting others seems to be an evolutionary strategy that served us well for a long time. In that evolutionary struggle, man was opposed to a "natural enemy," the environment and all it contained. All he had was his bigger brain to compensate for his smaller strength and speed; and, of course, his network.

Nowadays, we are no longer opposed to the natural world out there as the sparring partner, we are opposed to a culture that has been slowly infiltrated and taken over by pathologicals. At the same time, this outer world that has been shaped by pathology, also represents a certain pathological state within normal humans - their lack of ability to see pathology in individuals that look like themselves - an intra-species predator. Humanity's failure to perceive this, to adapt, means that our inner world, taken into us from the outside by means of identification, has become an "independent power" which, in its turn, by means of projection, is our own creation. After all, it is normal humans, not pathologicals, who have the real power to "create reality" as a group. Pathologicals only influence us - mostly women - to believe certain things are the norm, and we then act as they pull our strings.

This outer reality which has such a powerful influence on the formation of our character and the focusing of our creativity, has become a power itself and we are being challenged to become "new beings" that can evolutionarily adapt to this changing situation. Either we become fully pathological, in which case there will be no stress (the STS route), or we return to our roots taking with us the knowledge of the new "opponent" that will enable us to rebuild our social bonds and structures and survive through the massive changes that are ahead of us.

Because, realistically, even if no cataclysmic scenario of any external kind manifests, anybody with two neurons firing can see that we are most definitely heading straight into a "clash of civilizations" though it is not at all what is being touted. It is a clash of normal humans with pathologicals and right now, they have all the assets (which they have by trickery, cunning, cheating). Even the mildest scenario of the future is not pleasant to contemplate: Climate Change and its effects on humanity. It's not a pretty picture.

This principle that the inner world is taken in from the outside by means of identification, and then, in its turn, by way of projection, alters the external world so that it corresponds to the inner world even more closely, requires some serious thought. Basically, we have to bootstrap ourselves out of here by reverseing the process: we must create an inner world in the face of the opposition of the outer world, that then becomes strong enough, EN MASSE, to change the outer world.

The creative individual must be able to create and develop his standards beyond the identifications of the external pathological world. This means, in the simplest of terms, connecting with the higher self so that this part consciously guides and rules the creative will even in terms of the personality. The important factor here is that groups of individuals must get from here to there - here being the false personality created in us by the pathological external world, there being the merging with the higher self - by consciously choosing those factors that he will identify with.

This must be a group effort.

But, as we have seen in this thread - and elsewhere - language is all-important to that process. (Keeping in mind also that language is used to "create" the reality and control us.)

Language is another evolutionary thing; you need language to network so we might think that this ability has been wired into us as a consequence of evolutionary pressures and using language in some ways (like telling the truth) was evolutionarily adaptive in our history. But now, language is being used in ways it was not evolved to be used: to conceal truth and to create false images. This is one of the reasons that human beings are so stressed.

As I explained in the audio recording I made over the last couple of days to introduce the teaching of breathing techniques, stress is a worldwide epidemic. The number one disease of adults in the world is depression. Depression is the most extreme form of stress in your nervous system.

But here's the rub: stress response is vital for survival in times of danger. The problem comes when it is turned on too strong, too often.

The very fact that our stress response is doing this tells us that our bodies are telling us something about our world! There is DANGER out there, only it is hiding amongst us in the form of pathologicals! We are constantly in a state of stress because we are in a state of cognitive dissonance. We sense the danger, but we cannot SEE it because we have been programmed NOT to see it by lies and false reality constructs.

Getting back to the language problem: language can shape perception in ways that people are not aware of. Barbara Oakley, in her book "Evil Genes", points out that people who grow up speaking Chinese process mathematics in different areas of the brain than those who grow up speaking English. Both groups use the inferior parietal cortex, but Chinese speakers also use a visual processing areas, while English speakers use a language processing area.

This is important to know because it tells us something about the pathways in the brain that underlie some of the differences between Asians and Westerners in thought patterns. Different languages can cause anatomical differences in our brains. People who speak different languages literally see the world differently from one another.

That is larger scale effect between different languages.

There is a more subtle effect between individuals who speak the same language cause by different understandings of words and meanings. We've seen some examples of this in this very thread.

Language and culture act to structure the neurologically based lens that people use to perceive reality. Within a single language group, differences between people arise from family upbringing, religion, political persuasion, educatioal background, work experience, and so on. These all create different frames of reference.

James Surowiecki's book, The Wisdom of Crowds, suggests that multiple viewpoints from individuals with a wide range of backgrounds, rather than the restricted viewpoints of experts or specialists, are crucial in reaching informed decisions on complex topics. Oakley comments that getting input from a broad variety of people is like getting input from a wide variety of devices such as microscopes, telescopes, litmus paper, tensile testors, ultrasound devices, scales, and so on.

Here, of course, we are not talking about getting a lot of EMOTIONAL viewpoints, but rather perceptions and assessments of the shared, Primary Reality - what is REAL "out there". Even if we are agreeing that there is a real reality and it is what it is, no one of us has the all-encompassing way of perceiving that would give us the understanding of EVERY ASPECT of what is out there.

So, in this sense, the network itself is the Teacher.

But in order for a network to go anywhere and not just fall into entropy, there must be a direction and in that sense there must be a vanguard.

Vanguard: Etymology: Middle English vauntgard, from Anglo-French vantgarde, avantgarde, 1 : the troops moving at the head of an army 2 : the forefront of an action or movement.

It is also reflective of true evolutionary social activities that there are some who are trailblazers and others who support and "watch the back" of the trailblazers. Once the trail is blazed, and the destination is reached, the others not only benefit from the struggles of the trailblazer, they also set about organizing the details of the new environment and stabilizing it. So, everyone plays a role and if the network is tight, they all arrive pretty much together.

The bottom line is this: we are all in this mess together and we sink together, or we get our boat to harbor, but somebody's got to be the one who coordinates or we'll just go endlessly in circles, nobody will be bailing, paddling, or evaluating currents and signs to determine direction. I haven't been doing too bad at it, but I can't do it without data and help and there is no way I could gather all the data by myself, so the network is crucial in that respect also!

As I said, we evolved to trust one another - but that was a world where others were trustworthy. We live in a different world now. The cheaters in our world have evolved ways to induce us to trust them, but we can tell by our stress that we are going in the wrong direction, we are in mortal peril. But still, to get anything done at all, we MUST TRUST. And to figure out who to trust, we need to rely, again, on the network of observations from many observers. Again, we are not talking about getting a lot of EMOTIONAL viewpoints, but rather perceptions and assessments of the shared, Primary Reality - what is REAL "out there" and what really seems to work, to explain things, and has internal consistency over time.

Those who are able to accomplish this task of rebuilding social connections based on the new evolutionary standard of accounting for pathology in the equations, will evolve. Those who do not evolve will perish.

That's what I see from where I sit right now. United we stand, divided we fall. All for One and One for All.

It is very helpful to read through these entire threads concerning recent transcripts because it helps one to not exert effort re-inventing the wheel.

As always, I'm very glad to re-encounter an "Old Timer"!!!
 
Laura said:
...due to the LOOOOOONG history of nutzoids showing up...

I understand. The introduction is done.


Laura said:
Free will? As the Cs have pointed out, the STS gang have been violating free will for over 300 K years. I've posted some of the Cs comments on this issue here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/Eiriu-Eolas/

Personally, I don't think the idea is against free-will. I think it's the will of the majority of human souls to be released from this prison so that they may actually move on and grow. But the issue has been brought up.

I've bookmarked the link and will read it in a bit.


Laura said:
Sorry that it doesn't ring a bell - we have met SO many people and watched so many UFO videos...

No problem. It's only important so that you know I'm not coming out of the blue here. I was also an active participant in the old private Cass Yahoo Group. That way it's also known that I'm not new to interacting in the group dynamic.


Laura said:
The thing is, we are faced with a truly unique situation. As I wrote in the thread on the recent transcript:

It is very helpful to read through these entire threads concerning recent transcripts because it helps one to not exert effort re-inventing the wheel.

I did read that quote of yours.

This idea (of course) is not mine. The first remnants of the idea started forming when I first read the transcripts. It has evolved since then to the point of having the makings of an action plan. But, at the moment, I'm not sure if I should proceed or not. In such cases, I've found that best thing to do is wait.

So, I'll leave it as it is for now.


Laura said:
As always, I'm very glad to re-encounter an "Old Timer"!!!

Thank you for the welcoming thoughts. It's nice to interact with the group again.
 
Hello Omniversal and welcome to the forum.

Reading your post, I first saw the potential of the idea related to the fusion of our energetic or magnetic center but, I did share the same reserve versus encroaching free will of other. I think it depend first on the intention of the group and the frequency of the message. As we know from the "C" each individual as the choice to select and develop it frequency, to prepare one self for the coming passage of the wave. Following the law of free will, each individual as the right to develop it potential either in a sto or sts way. We know that the sts trespass by influence and other mean the law of free will as they please but the sto don't. So, there frequency are separated by a great abyss if I may say and, a broadcast from either one will be quite different in there purpose.

Laura's message is broadcast on the internet and book and individual will select to pursue this tread if they have (my speculation) develop a frequency compatible with hers. She as develop knowledge that in turn as develop her potential as a sto candidate but much much more, she as develop a network of similar frequency resonant peoples who's number grow year after year. Now as Gurdjieff as answered to Ouspensky, imagine what the effect of 200 individuals fully awake, in full "possession" of there individual I or higher self could do. Well, they could certainly broadcast a much louder and clearer signal for sure, compare it to a radio signal of a selected frequency that was first eared locally then whit added amplifier. The amplified signal doesn't mean that it oblige individual to listen to it, you listen or not depending of you frequency, alignment, you can Always choose another station, but the broadcast with additional individual (amplifier) become world wide.

Another point, The "C" as told us that crop circles are "Visual Stimuli" and that SOME individual as chosen this form of communication so, there are other form of communication. Maybe just maybe the broadcast of sto frequency resonance vibration by a group of people, may attract more people on the same frequency or on the path of developing an sto frequency and bring theme here. Maybe we develop a kind of psychic receiver when we grow in knowledge.

Hopefully I'm not off topic.
 
Mountain Crown said:
Welcome Omniversal,

Your post regarding rebuilding the tower of Babel reminds me of what was discussed here: Question re "Etheric Orientation"

Thank you for the welcome and the link. I'll check it out and see what further connection come about.



Laurentien said:
Hello Omniversal and welcome to the forum.

...{Snip}...

Hopefully I'm not off topic.

Thank you for the welcome. No you are not off topic. Your thoughts are in line with my own.

Here's how I see the bottom line. There are going to be those that choose the sts orientation. There are going to be those that choose not to choose yet. But the problem is that most people don't know there is a choice. Most people don't know this is the meaning of life as it were. From what I can gather this universal knowledge is being allowed to break the "law of confusion" in 3d because of the end of the cycle. But the universal knowledge can't get through because of 4d sts forces. So all these people are going to pushed into defaulting into an sts orientation without fully knowing the choices. And that, subjectively speaking, just isn't fair.

In my mind, the idea goes a little beyond just resonating an sto frequency to wake up other possible sto canidates. I think it's also about opening a doorway to allow this universal knowledge through. That way even those that most likely will choose sts or choose not to choose, will actually realize what they are choosing. Anyone incarnating during this time would already have agreed with what was coming. So I do not see how opening such a doorway is imposing on their free-will.

Does it impose on the lizzie's free-will? Remember the Cs once said, "you don't choose against the lizzies but you choose in favor of yourself". So I think it's all about intention as you stated. The focus of the intention is to allow the influx of the universal knowledge to reach it's intended audience. A side effect of that might be a smaller sts harvest for the lizzies. But it is not the focus of the intention.
 

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