Referendum in Turkey

Hesper said:
But, like you said, the drum sounds pleasant if you are away from the source - not saying that the drum sounds pleasant at all, but your point remains. It reminds me of the saying 'when elephants dance, the chickens must be careful'. None of us are much more than chickens at this stage in the game, so the best we can do, it seems, is to analyze events and the forces prodding them along, and try not to fall into confluence with it all while we strive to evolve on a personal and collective level (what really matters). As Mouravieff states about confluence:

When man is CONFLUENT, and consequently forgets himself, he is simply carried away by one of the mental currents which pass through him--but he is not conscious of it; he thinks he acts, when in reality he is carried away all the while plunged in mental sleep. Whenever he practices the 'tresvenic' (a Russian term relating to 'coming to' after a state of drunkenness), that is, whenever he is present, and as long as this state lasts, he will realize that he is being carried away. But that is all.

He still continues to be carried away. Nevertheless, this is a great progress, as it will permit him to constate on the idea: I AM. By doing this he will make the first effort to attach himself to the permanent by detaching himself from the temporal. With the formula the I AM, man for the first time can make an effort to resist the many mental currents which carry him away, and for which he is otherwise like a plaything. It is by this sort of conscious effort that he will start to build his cage--his future command post.

This is also why, as Joe said, time will tell.

I presume, and I may be wrong, that you are Turkish. If so, please stay safe and keep us updated.

Hi Hesper,

yes I am Turkish and thank you for sharing ''confluence'', I like to remind myself about this from time to time, if someone from the forum reminds me about this it's value can not be measured. even my family does not remind such thing to me, thank you again. :)
 
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