Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

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The revelation of evidence that the snipers were shooting both sides is another typical pattern repeated over and over again by these one trick ponies. It was also done after the 2008 presidential elections/failed "color revolution" riots in Armenia. Same weapons used to shoot into the crowd and at the riot police - proved to be foreign weapons not used by any official units in the country. That investigation is still ongoing....

I think that whole concept started in Yugoslav war theatre and has evolved since them. In Zagreb during first years of wars there was propaganda about serbian snipers but later it was discovered there was none and they used it to get into serb aparments and take them and spread further propaganda. One decade later we have real deal in Venezueala with propaganda as usual.
 
If you only hear our Ukrainian media. They are making Putin and Russia - our enemy. They make some video with music in the background where people from Crimea in Kiev and others speaks to Crimean people in Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar languages (apr. 12% of Crimea population are Tatars) that they don't what war, they want to unite, that there are no nationalist here, everyone is good and friendly, etc. Again it is done on emotional basis.

I think all these news agencies were prepared for such propaganda long before the start of revolution.

I speak to my mum today, said her about the video with sniper. She said that this sniper was hired by Russians. I said that there is no point for Russians to have unstable country at their borders. She asked me where I get such information from. She said that she lived under Russia rule and know how it is and that only Russians forces entered Ukraine and no other country. I understand that such feelings to Russia can be based on historical background, but leaders changed. I think there is no point to speak with my family about this situation more, the propaganda is to strong, no matter what i say, and the same is not only with my family.
 
Serg said:
If you only hear our Ukrainian media. They are making Putin and Russia - our enemy. They make some video with music in the background where people from Crimea in Kiev and others speaks to Crimean people in Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar languages (apr. 12% of Crimea population are Tatars) that they don't what war, they want to unite, that there are no nationalist here, everyone is good and friendly, etc. Again it is done on emotional basis.

I think all these news agencies were prepared for such propaganda long before the start of revolution.

I speak to my mum today, said her about the video with sniper. She said that this sniper was hired by Russians. I said that there is no point for Russians to have unstable country at their borders. She asked me where I get such information from. She said that she lived under Russia rule and know how it is and that only Russians forces entered Ukraine and no other country. I understand that such feelings to Russia can be based on historical background, but leaders changed. I think there is no point to speak with my family about this situation more, the propaganda is to strong, no matter what i say, and the same is not only with my family.

That's why it is so important for bloggers to translate other stuff. If people in the Ukraine REALLY knew what the US is and what it does, and UK too, they would have a whole different perception of things.

Meanwhile, the following is the most jaw dropping hypocrisy and double standard I've ever heard of:

Obama says Crimean move to join Russia violates international law

Notice the original title that got locked into the url:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/obama-orders-freeze-on-assets-of-people-who-impeded-democracy-in-ukraine/2014/03/06/5ae8f68e-a534-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

President Obama on Thursday denounced Crimea’s move to join the Russian Federation as unconstitutional and a violation of international law, saying that any discussion of the troubled region’s future must include the legitimate government of Ukraine....

In remarks at the White House on situation in the Crimea, Obama noted that he has ordered assets frozen and U.S. visas blocked for all persons determined to have impeded democracy, contributed to violence or engaged in corruption in Ukraine.

He said those steps were taken in close coordination with European allies and that “our unity is on display at this important moment.” A referendum approved by the pro-Russia Crimean parliament on whether to join Russia violates both the Ukrainian constitution and international law, Obama said....

The measures are intended to “send a strong message that we intend to impose costs on Russia” for its military intervention in Crimea, the autonomous Ukrainian region, said a senior official who briefed reporters.

“It also gives us flexibility” to expand the measures in the event of further Russian actions, including the possible movement of military forces into pro-Russian areas of eastern Ukraine, the official said....

“The fact that we have not yet designated” the targets of the sanctions “should lead some of those individuals to be questioning whether they’re going to be finding their names on a list,” the senior administration official said.
 
I've just recieve this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwsSpc-CFI
I don't know it is true, but people told me that the man beheaded was found in Kharkiv city. This information on the webpage of the self-defense forces of Kharkiv. It is horrible...
 
The propaganda is working.

I touch base with the sheeples opinion every now and again, keeping strategic enclosure in mind just to see what is being beamed in the air and if it is working (My news is 100% SOTT derived plus other select alternative sources). I simply ask, "So what is happening in Ukraine, I don't have time to keep up with the news, who is the bad guy" And the answer is that the previous government was undemocratic and that Putin and Russia have stepped in to interfere with the country.

So yes, the propaganda is working and Putin is taking on the image of the bad guy in the world.

A number of years ago I visited eastern europe and the population their LOVES america so I am not surprised they are buying into the propaganda.

In short, if it ever escalated to war, the populations of the world will believe that Russia is the new nazi-Germany except maybe China, Iran and those who have been getting openly terrorised by the US/West.
 
This propaganda was settle long ago. I remember how I thought in the past.
A few years before, before orange revolution almost nobody new the differences between Russia and Ukraine.
After the orange revolution, I notice that Ukraine, as a country was mentioned a lot of times in the movies, the hollywood movies.
I guess it was also part of their plan.
 
Serg said:
I've just recieve this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwsSpc-CFI
I don't know it is true, but people told me that the man beheaded was found in Kharkiv city. This information on the webpage of the self-defense forces of Kharkiv. It is horrible...

This video was captured earlier and people said that it is because of bulldozer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqZqRjwf6B4
I didn't find any confirmation yet , neither the first, neither the second
 
Laura said:
Corvinus said:
http://rt.com/usa/rt-reacts-liz-wahl-042/

We wish Liz the best of luck on her chosen path.

Yup. Looks like she's chosen entropy.

False prophets that can deceive even the very "elect"...
There was also the story about Abby Martin which The Times of India had from AP.
_http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/TV-anchorwoman-criticizes-Kremlin-on-Ukraine/articleshow/31498033.cms said:
TV anchorwoman criticizes Kremlin on Ukraine
AP | Mar 6, 2014, 02.34 AM IST
WASHINGTON: An anchorwoman on a Kremlin-funded TV network said on Wednesday that she is standing by her criticism of Russia's military incursion in Ukraine because she would rather risk her job and "go down on the right side of history.''

Abby Martin, a Washington-based newswoman for Russia Today, said the network, which is supported by Russian public grants, has decided not to fire her for expressing her views in an on-air postscript to her show. Martin said she would continue to speak out against Russia for sending in troops to take control of much of the Crimea, a peninsula in the Black Sea where Russian speakers are in the majority.
[...]
Today there was this on RT from Margarita Simonyan, RT's editor-in-chief:

http://rt.com/op-edge/about-liz-wahl-media-wars-126/ said:
About Abby Martin, Liz Wahl and media wars
Published time: March 06, 2014 12:10
Today RT America anchor Liz Wahl resigned on air, claiming she disagrees with the channel’s editorial stance. And here’s what I have to say about it.

These days it takes a lot of courage to work for RT. Never before have I seen RT and its journalists bullied like this. See for yourselves what they did to poor Abby. First, she openly voiced disagreement with Russia’s stance on air – and was virtually made an American hero. But then Abby reminded everyone how much she disagrees with America’s stance as well, adding she takes pride in working at RT, where she is free to express her views. Less than an hour passed before Abby had her name dragged through something I have difficulty finding a decent name for this late at night. The US mainstream media even went as far as claiming we had orchestrated the whole thing as a publicity move. They labeled Abby a conspiracy theorist, bringing to light her past as an activist. In less than 24 hours, they first sang her praises and then excoriated her. All of this in front of her colleagues, including Liz Wahl. How do you think they felt watching that?

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knr6VrREZbk&list=PLI46g-I12_9p7quGXXanTK2zEWLiOZQvZ&feature=player_embedded

Yesterday I spent quite some time explaining to a New York Times correspondent why I consider Russia’s position to be right. I’m Russian. I support my country and I will fight for the truth for as long as it takes. Neither Abby, nor Liz, nor many other employees are Russian nationals, but foreign. And now their country is likening my country to Nazi Germany. For many years they have worked for RT in good faith, proving every day that a voice that stands out from the mainstream media can be beautiful and strong, attract an audience that grows daily. These are the people who were the first to tell their country about the Occupy movement, who were detained at protest rallies, handcuffed for hours and then tried in court for doing their job. These are the people who were outraged by US hypocrisy in Syria, Libya – you can finish the list yourself – and reminded the world who used chemical weapons most often, even resorting to nuclear bombs. These are the people who did things the Western mainstream media would have never done. But those were peaceful times. And now we’ve got a genuine war going on – no, thank God, it’s not in Crimea. It’s a media war. Every single day, every single hour the guys who work for us are told, “You are liars, you are no journalists, you are the Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece, you’ve sold yourselves to the Russians, it’s time you quit your job, and everybody is laughing at you, so change your mind before it’s too late.”

The storm of articles posted about RT over the last couple of days – literally tons of printed copy - looks as if it were written to dictation. Hardly any respectable media outlet refrained from lambasting and lynching RT journalists in articles or reports. Our employees listen to their colleagues, their fellow citizens, and their potential employers, as career prospects are obviously important to every journalist. How many could withstand this pressure? Well, some will and some won’t. Some sincerely disagree, as they believe their own country more than mine. Others are simply thinking about their future. And it’s hard for me to judge them.

This is all typical of a media war. We’re not the first and we will not be the last to go through this. During the Arab Spring, Al Jazeera staff in Lebanon made headlines by resigning en masse. Their Egyptian colleagues followed suit. Over twenty journalists resigned citing disagreement with the channel’s editorial line. That this happened without any pressure from the world mass media was due to the fact that, throughout the Arab Spring, Al Jazeera was completely in tune with the global mainstream. So no one sought to criticize the channel, on the contrary, everyone praised its coverage.

A couple of minutes after Liz made her statement, we found all the major news media in the world - as our exhausted spokeswoman put it, “CNN, NYT, pretty much everyone” – glowing with schadenfreude, as they lined up for official feedback from RT. This included those who had ignored the news of the Ashton-Paet phone leak revelation, as if it didn’t happen. A rival media anchor’s resignation is certainly much more newsworthy and more relevant to the Ukraine crisis than two European leaders saying opposition henchmen may have been killing people. I can see very clearly why I continue to work for a channel that stands alone (!) face-to-face with thousands and tens of thousands of Western news outlets, showing everybody the other side of the story, under daily attacks from the media against which it can hardly fight back. It’s my country. There is no other choice for me. But the foreign journalists who work for RT across the globe do have a choice. Some of them might be asking themselves, “Why would I have to defend Russia at the expense of my career, my future, my reputation, why would I tolerate humiliation by my fellow journalists?” Few can say “Because I’m telling the truth, and there’s no one else to tell it.” Some will fail to find the answer and quietly resign. Others will perform their resignation on air in a self-promotional stunt, perhaps securing fantastic career prospects they wouldn’t have dreamt of before.

Standing out from the crowd is hard, sometimes unbearable. I wish the best of luck to those who can’t take it. To those who continue to do their best for RT, who know they are right even if the whole world says otherwise, I have to say I’m proud of you. IMMENSELY PROUD.
Margarita Simonyan, RT's editor-in-chief

Media wars or information wars, that is very much what it is. Ukraine is only part of the game, to get as many people to believe as many lies as possible is another. I agree with the editor, it is mindblowing how little attention major newsoutlet give to the details of the events in Ukraine. Hardly anybody carries the news about the leaked conversation, fewer make any connections. Instead, they are on to speculations as to what will happen next, and articles about how bad Putin and Russia is. Cheap headlines and quickly written, poorly researched articles is what several papers I have seen can come up with. Okay, they ask socalled experts, but too many of these experts leave out inconvenient aspects that could convincingly challenge their "expert" view. That is quite normal in academia.
 
Propaganda is working well both ways. Some pro Russian stuff debunked:

_http://www.stopfake.org/en/

Though some articles are questionable.

There is also the Ashton/Paet telephone call issue.

_http://www.stopfake.org/en/urmas-paet-dit-not-confirm-that-snipers-were-hired-by-leaders-of-maidan/

From my point of view there is some shady business happening.

“She showed me some pictures saying [...] that it is the same ‘handwriting’ , the same type of bullets , and it is already causing concern that new coalition does not want to investigate what exactly happened there, therefore comes a clear conclusion that it wasn’t Yanukovych who’d been behind the snipers, but someone from this new coalition, ” – said Paet in a telephone conversation

Bohomolets told reporters on Wednesday that , firstly, she did not talk about the victims on both sides ,as she didn’t see the bodies of policemen.

Secondly, according to Bohomolets, she did not suggest that snipers could have been lead by one of the leaders of Maidan.

“I think something like this can be mentioned only relying on the facts ,” – said Bohomolets to British newspaper The Daily Telegraph.
 
Well, I think we ought to be out there sharing on FB and giving support where we see it is needed. That's the least we can do.
 
From my point of view there is some shady business happening.

It seems like damage control and doctor could have been easily influenced and pressured, if you even take as truth and not fabrication what was said by western media. If what is quoted in post is what doctor actually said why would they tell in phone call that snipers killed on both sides if it is not truth as implied by that doctor, not mentioning that it puts them in bad position which doesnt make sense and sounds pure paradox to act against themselves? From that the result is that estonian FM was lying to Ashton which does not make much sense because they are all same team, and it was confirmed by Estonians that the call was authentic. It is just mudding the water.


In a telephone conversation with Catherine Ashton Urmas Paet said that taking into consideration ‘the style’ of the assassins, police and demonstrators could have been the victims of the same snipers.

Even if not said that snipers were hired by opposition it is not hard to see how much is 2 plus 2 if snipers killed on both sides.
 
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10677370/Ukraine-Russia-crisis-live.html

March 5

15.17 Our correspondent, Damien McElroy, has spoken to the doctor at the centre of the claims that snipers that shot people in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders:

Olga Bogomolets said she had not told Mr Paet that policemen and protesters had been killed in the same manner.

"Myself I saw only protesters. I do not know the type of wounds suffered by military people," she told The Telegraph. "I have no access to those people."

But she said she had asked for a full forensic criminal investigation into the deaths that occurred in the Maidan. "No one who just sees the wounds when treating the victims can make a determination about the type of weapons. I hope international experts and Ukrainian investigators will make a determination of what type of weapons, who was involved in the killings and how it was done. I have no data to prove anything.

"I was a doctor helping to save people on the square. There were 15 people killed on the first day by snipers. They were shot directly to the heart, brain and arteries. There were more than 40 the next day, 12 of them died in my arms.

"Our nation has to ask the question who were the killers, who asked them to come to Ukraine. We need good answers on the basis of expertise."

Mr Paet's assertion that an opposition figure was behind the Maidan massacre was not one she could share.

"I think you can only say something like this on the basis of fact," she said. "Its not correct and its not good to do this. It should be based on fact."

She said the new government in Kiev had assured her a criminal investigation had begun but that she had not direct contact with it so far.

"They told me they have begun a criminal process and if they say that I believe them. The police have not given me any information on it."
 
Corvinus,

Even if not said that snipers were hired by opposition it is not hard to see how much is 2 plus 2 if snipers killed on both sides.
However it is hard to me. There could be other possibilities. Don't trust neither USA nor Russian authorities.

The Paet/Ashton phone conversation took place on February 26.

There was live TV translation of extraordinary meeting of Rada on 20 or 21 (don't remember exactly) where I firstly heard about this both-sides-sniper scenario. Haven't found any video on the net to back up. So these are just my words.
 
Laura said:
Well, I think we ought to be out there sharing on FB and giving support where we see it is needed. That's the least we can do.
Tried to post something in a newspaper and then I found this analysis of the shootings of some of the demonstrators. I did not like to watch the fairly high quality recording of the people being shot, but here is the link with text in both Russian and English _http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567 The analyser shows from where at least some of the bullets came.
 
Zee Ley said:
Corvinus,

Even if not said that snipers were hired by opposition it is not hard to see how much is 2 plus 2 if snipers killed on both sides.
However it is hard to me. There could be other possibilities. Don't trust neither USA nor Russian authorities.

The Paet/Ashton phone conversation took place on February 26.

There was live TV translation of extraordinary meeting of Rada on 20 or 21 (don't remember exactly) where I firstly heard about this both-sides-sniper scenario. Haven't found any video on the net to back up. So these are just my words.

The article about the snipers was on SOTT http://www.sott.net/article/275052-Ukrainian-MP-calls-for-investigation-into-why-same-snipers-were-shooting-both-protesters-and-Ukrainian-police

"100 people were shot dead in cold blood by snipers. I saw Berkut members (Ukrainian security force) who clearly weren't from Berkut with automatic kalashnikovs shooting at people in the crowd, one after the other, at Maidan Square, and then they turned back and started shooting at Berkuts... we must investigate this."

~ Inna Bohoslovska

There is another sniper article from around the 20th: http://www.sott.net/article/274237-Shots-fired-at-one-Russian-TV-crew-while-a-second-one-is-kidnapped-as-Kiev-riots-reignited-by-mystery-snipers
 
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