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Laura said:Altair said:The following article is sort of brisant
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Altair said:
Laura said:Altair said:The following article is sort of brisant
Is there a link available?
Altair said:
Though I disagree that Maidan is completely orchestrated event. IMO the role of US in all of this is a bit exaggerated. Moreover even if Cs characterized Putin as "not so heartless" I don't see much hearty love towards brother-country in his actions today.
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The Revolution Business, 2011 - Consultants are helping people countries like Ukraine and Egypt build a foundation of knowledge in order to start revolutions.
Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in advance?
Revolution consultants are the worst nightmare of every regime. Srdja Popovic was a founder of the organisation 'Otpor', a revolution training school. It was instrumental in the overthrow of Slobodan Milosevic in the 1990s and has now inspired a new generation of activists. Political commentators like William Engdahl are convinced Otpor is being financed by the USA. "The people from Otpor gave us a book in which they described all their strategies", says Ezzedine Zaatour of the Tunisian uprising. That book was written by an American, Gene Sharp, and is now considered the "revolution guide book", being used by opposition movements worldwide. As Optor release their latest gadget, a resistance training computer game sponsored by American organisations, world leaders are voicing their concerns. "This is called a gentle coup!", insists Hugo Chavez.
Also:Siberia said:A number of interesting yesterday's news:
News # 1: About 300 hired soldiers of the Academy (ex-Blackwater) corp. come to Kiev (video in Russian): http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1349352.
Psalehesost said:Laura said:Altair said:The following article is sort of brisant
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Altair said:
What is true or real in the flow of allegation and claims is hard to say, but this is what I found._http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_28/Anonimus-activists-manage-to-hack-Maidan-email-8716/ said:28 February, 08:24
Anonymous activists manage to hack Maidan email
The well-known hacker group Anonymous posted online the correspondence between Andrei Tarasenko, the deputy head of the Ukrainian nationalist organization "Trizub imeni Stepan Bandera" and Aslan Omer Kyrymly, the Deputy Chairman of Crimea Tatar Mejlis.
One of the hackers writes: "It was a hard job, but we have still managed to hack an email of the Maidan activists. Surprisingly, the nationalists have developed links with the Crimean Tatars."
Straight after that, hackers posted a quote from one of the emails:
"Everything is going according to the plan. We are ready to proceed with the second part of the play. As agreed earlier last week, my guys together with people from the "Karpatskaya Sech" and UNA-UNSO will arrive wherever is needed and with the necessary weapons. You only need to let us know the addresses of the warehouses in Simferopol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Feodosia and Yalta, and the time of the meeting...Don't worry about the money, everything will be fine, just a little bit later. In the end, you know that if we succeed, you will get a lot more."
According to the text, the neo-Nazi organization "Trizub imeni Stepan Bandera" along with "Karpatskaya Sech " and UNA-UNSO are ready to fulfill all the dirty work: to kill, burn and banish all the opponents of Maidan from Crimea. Crimean Tatars should "only" provide them with "instruments", ie weapons and store them in the most important cities of the Crimea.
A lot of people might consider that the Ukrainian nationalists and Crimean Tatars pursue different goals, and their union at first glance looks quite unnatural. However, they have one aim in common, which is to eliminate the Russian-speaking popultaion from the Crimean region and for that their «union» is neccessary in pursuing the common strategic objective.
It is also important to note that Aslan Omer Kyrymly is the founder of several companies and president of the board of the Crimean International Business Association (CIBA). He controls serious financial flows associated with various business projects, both in Ukraine and abroad. It is believed that Aslan Omer Kyrymly is a true leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatars.
Voice of Russia, osinform.ru
I gave the link to the Klichko mails above the other links you my find by going to the website._http://hackread.com/anonymous-ukraine-declares-cyberwar said:Anonymous Declares Cyberwar on Countries Found Disturbing Peace in Ukraine
By Waqas on February 28, 2014 in Current Affairs, Hacking News
The online Anonymous Hacktivist has released a video message in which it has declared cyberwar on countries and organizations, posing a threat to freedom and independence of Ukraine. The operation has been named as ”Operation Ukraine” (#OpIndependence).
A 4:37 minute video message highlights several aspects of Ukrainian crisis such as international interference and divided mindset of Anonymous collective over the issue.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBmAkAO7j8c
This is sad as some Anons are unknowingly supporting the dark forces at work in Ukraine. Members of Anonymous Ukraine are aware of the internal meddling by the United States, NATO and the European Union into the internal sovereign affairs of Ukraine.
Anonymous Ukraine claims that the country doesn’t need to join European Union nor the NATO on their territory. The message also highlights Nazi role in the crisis.
The people of Ukraine do not want European Union integration. The people of Ukraine do not want NATO on their territory. The Bandera Nazis and fascist thugs that are beating and killing police and members of the security services of Ukraine do not represent the will or the wishes of the people of Ukraine.
Anonymous has vowed to expose West and Ukrainian opposition as it did last February when it hacked and leaked secret email conversations of Vitali Klitschko’s UDAR opposition party. You can read the leaked emails here.
Anonymous Ukraine has released the e-mails of one of the leaders of the so called opposition and will continue to expose the moves by the west to subvert the sovereign country of Ukraine.
Hacktivists have urged the Ukrainian President Yanukovich, to restore order and bring calm and stability in the country. The message ends with a declaration in which Anonymous Ukraine has declared cyberwar on countries and organizations posing threat to freedom and independence of Ukraine.
We appeal to the president of our country. The people of Ukraine urge you. President Yanukovich, to restore order and bring calm and stability. Anonymous Ukraine will strike at all of the web resources of western hirelings and fascists. We declare the continuation of Operation Independence. We will strike at the web resources of countries and organizations that pose a threat to freedom and independence of Ukraine!
Zee Ley said:Perceval/Joe,
I have just finished reading article. Thank you. There could be no argument about US involvement in Ukrainian conflict. Too many facts. Though I disagree that Maidan is completely orchestrated event. IMO the role of US in all of this is a bit exaggerated. Moreover even if Cs characterized Putin as "not so heartless" I don't see much hearty love towards brother-country in his actions today.Give me some time and I'll explain what I have in mind.
I don't think the Maidan was a completely orchestrated event, as I said in the article, I think it was hijacked by a relatively small number of violent individuals with a specific agenda that served the interests of the US and some section of the Pro-US "elite" in Ukraine. I also didn't suggest that Putin was motivated by "brother country love" in his actions, he seems to have been motivated by protecting Russia's interests in Ukraine from an attack by external forces that does not have the interests of the Ukrainian people at heart. In this situation, I think that, between the two options, the interests of the Ukrainian people would be best served by the Russian option, it just so happens that that option obviously also serves Russian interests.
A Ukrainian presidential hopeful and his supporters has abducted a regional MP over his opposition to the coup-imposed government in Kiev. A video of the action shows the MP being roughed up by a group of men and threatened.
Oleg Lyashko reported secretly going to the Lugansk region on Sunday night and detaining Arsen Klinchev, a member of the local parliament from the Party of Regions.
"The scum Klinchev will answer for his crimes. We detained him and handed him over to law enforcement. I am sincerely grateful to everyone, who helped with this deed. The video is coming shortly. The fight goes on," Lyashko wrote on his Facebook page.
The promised footage followed soon. In it Lyashko is seen entering the office, as Klinchev later clarified, of local General Vladimir Guslavsky with a group of half a dozen men, whose faces are covered with a black circle. They floor the MP and handcuff his arms behind his back.
Then Lyashko is seen calling Klinchev “scum” several times, while forcing him to make a statement on camera, ordering his supporters to vacate the regional administration building.
The building was captured on Sunday by a group of protesters, who opposed Mikhail Bolotskih, the new Kiev-appointed governor. The protesters forced Bolotskih to sign his resignation, but hours later he stated that the resignation was invalid because it was signed “under threats.” The protesters also raised the Russian flag in front of the administration.
Lyashko forced Klinchev to call on the protesters to take down the Russian flag and free the administration building, while the MP was denying any authority over the people.
“You're scum, that's what I say. Now tell your people to go out of the Lugansk administration. And make a good face now, nobody will give you money, retard,” Lyashko told the MP.
Klinchev, still handcuffed, is then dragged into a bus, where one of the men who abducted him lectures him on his pro-Russian stance. He promises to hang him “by the balls” and “call an army to f**k you”.
It's not unusual for the new Ukraine authorities to resort to insults and threats in dealing with those defying them. Just days ago, Boris Filatov, the deputy head of the Dnepropetrovsk region, who was appointed by Kiev as well, posted a political program on Facebook, which involves “giving the scum any promises, guarantees and concessions” and “hanging them later.”
Lyashko, who is the presidential candidate for his own Radical Party, has a shady past not normally expected from a person with ambitions to head a nation. In 1994, he was convicted of large-scale embezzlement and abuse of power and sentenced to six years, but was amnestied a year later.
His criminal record was expunged in 1998, so now, in this regard, Lyashko is on par with the ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich, who has two expunged convictions dating back to the Soviet era.
Zee Ley said:Well, those link above could be easily explained. Zee, you're duped by propaganda. So this is probably CIA and US Government funded lie. But then who is right? Who is saying the truth? Who is interested in saying truth?
As for the US role, are you aware that the US have sent quite a number of their fight jets to the area recently? See at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10682004/US-sends-fighter-jets-to-Baltic-and-boosts-pressure-on-Putin-over-Ukraine.html.
I hope I've answered about neo-nazis threat in previous post. Ones wonders why Autonomous Republic of Crimea didn't gone back after collapse of Soviet Union as Transnistria did? Ten years before? During the reign of Yanukovitch? Why now?As for Putin, are you suggesting that he should be hearty with the neo-nazies/terrorists who claim themselves to be the new Ukrainean government? If you have any doubts about these guys, here is a brief review of their background: http://rt.com/news/yarosh-nationalist-address-umarov-380/. This person, Mr. Yarosh, the leader of Maidan revolution, is currently running for presidency.. No wonder, that the people of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea are scared, ask Russia for protection and wish to go back to Russia.
Zee Ley said:Joe, Interests of Russia are in Russia, interest of US are in US etc. we are living not in the ideal word so Threat me as hopelessly programmed but from my point of view (from the point of view of my conscience if you wish) there is no justification of Putins aggression in Ukraine. The more Russian army (read spontaneously formed self-defense) stays in Crimea the more severe outcome will be. The more nationalistic tendency will prevail. I hope I am wrong.
IMO the actual danger of this neo-nazi hysteria is artificialy inflated by Russian mass Media...
I'll explain why. For example SOTT is nonprofit news broadcasting project. You are working because of voluntary donation, selling books and T-shorts. You don't spare your personal time and efforts to do the Work well. I'm not fawning, you know...
On the other hand we have a governmental funded TV, radio and internet projects who has much more political awareness are giving a salad of shocking truth, authoritative opinions and filthy propaganda. It just don't fits in my head how can it be! If Putin's aims are so righteous, honest and crystal clear. Why does he needs all this:
_http://www.stopfake.org/en/russian-ultra-nationalists-come-to-fight-in-ukraine/
_http://www.stopfake.org/en/migration-service-of-russia-denied-the-information-about-thousands-of-refugees-from-ukraine/
_http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-neo-fascists-in-lviv-were-beating-up-an-elderly-lady-who-was-going-to-put-flowers-on-lenin-s-monument/
Well, those link above could be easily explained. Zee, you're duped by propaganda. So this is probably CIA and US Government funded lie. But then who is right? Who is saying the truth? Who is interested in saying truth?
Fact-checking website Stopfake.org was launched on March 2, 2014 by alums and students of Mohyla School of Journalism
"There were several of these public places at that time in the country of
Tikliamish, where the mass destruction of beings of different exterior forms
was carried out, and the most celebrated of these was on top of a small
mountain, where once upon a time a certain wonder-worker, Aliman, was
supposed to have been 'taken up alive' to some heaven or other.
"In this place, as in others like it, especially at set times of the year, they
destroyed vast numbers of beings called 'oxen,' 'sheep,' 'doves,' and so on—
and sometimes even
beings like themselves. In the last case, the strong usually brought the less
strong to be sacrificed: a father, for instance, brought his son; a husband his
wife; an elder brother his younger brother, and so on. But for the most part the
victims were 'slaves,' who were usually what are called 'captives,' in other
words, beings of a conquered community which had lost its importance
through the action of the law of 'Solioonensius'; that is, in a period when the
tendency to reciprocal destruction was intensified in the presence of your
favorites.
listen now to the events I happened to take part in
after my arrival in the chief place of existence of the community of Russia,
then called 'St Petersburg. '
"As I have already said, while my acquaintance, the said important
Russian, straightened out his affairs, which had become disorganized during
his absence, I began to go about everywhere and meet beings of all 'classes'
and 'situations' in order to study the particularities of their manners and
customs, and make clear for myself the cause of their so-called 'organic need'
for alcohol and the manifest consequences of its effects on their common
presence.
"It is interesting to remark that during these meetings with three-brained
beings belonging to various 'classes' and 'situations,' I noticed several times,
and after more attentive observation it became quite evident to me, that the
majority of them carried in themselves the germ of that 'particular functioning
of their common presence' which for a long time has been arising in your
favorites owing to a certain combination of two independent external causes.
"The first of these causes is a common-cosmic law that exists under the
name of 'Solioonensius', and the second is a marked deterioration in the
conditions of ordinary being-existence on some part or other of the surface of
this planet of yours.
"I am speaking about that germ of the 'particular functioning of their
common presence' which after several of their years was molded in all the
beings of this community in a form that became, during certain definite
periods, inherent in them, and was a 'stimulating factor' for the specific
manifestations proper only to the three-brained beings of the planet Earth And
this time the totality of these manifestations
among the beings of that large community was called 'Bolshevism
“In general during recent centuries in the
presence of all the beings on that planet, almost every manifestation for the
fulfillment of their being-duty proceeds thanks exclusively to the functioning
of data formed in them through frequent repetitions of one and the same thing.
"Among the power-possessing beings of this community, the
crystallization of certain peculiar automatic 'being-data' proceeded more
intensely than anywhere else at this period, and was manifested so strongly
that it sometimes even seemed as if data for the immediate engendering of
impulses that are in general proper to beings were completely absent in them
This crystallization proceeded in them, as I later made clear to myself, in
consequence of the action of the cosmic law of Solioonensius, which I
mentioned to you.
"Soon after this unforgettable 'supreme presentation' of mine I left St
Petersburg, and thereafter the chief places of my existence were various cities
on the continent of Europe as well as on other continents Later, but for other
affairs, I often returned to the community of Russia, where during that period
of the flow of time their 'great process of reciprocal destruction' and the
'annihilation of everything already attained by them' was taking place—a
process which this time, as I told you, they called 'Bolshevism. '
"You remember, I promised to tell you about the real fundamental causes
of this arch-phenomenal process.
"Well then, as I have already mentioned, this grievous phenomenon arises
there as a result of two independent factors, the first being the cosmic law of
Solioonensius, and the second, as always, those same abnormal conditions of
ordinary being-existence established by them themselves.
"In order that you should understand better both these factors, I will
explain to you each of them separately, and will begin with the cosmic law of
Solioonensius.
"First of all you must be told that all the three-brained beings, on whatever
planet they arise and whatever exterior coating they receive, always await the
manifestations of the action of this law with impatience and joy, somewhat as
your favorites look forward to their feasts of 'Easter,' 'Bairam,' 'Zadik,'
'Ramadan,' 'Kaialana,' and others.
"The only difference is that your favorites look forward to these feasts of
theirs with impatience because on these
'holy days' it has become customary for them to abandon themselves to
merrymaking and drunkenness, whereas the beings of other planets await the
action of Solioonensius with impatience because thanks to it the need for
evolving, in the sense of acquiring Objective Reason, increases in them by
itself.
"As for the causes that give rise to the action of this cosmic law, they are
different for each planet, but always flow from and depend upon what is
called the 'common-cosmic harmonious movement', and as regards your
planet Earth, what is called the 'center of gravity of causes' is brought about by
the 'periodic tension' of the sun of its system, brought about in its turn by the
influence upon this sun of a neighboring solar system, existing under the name
of 'Baleaooto.'
"In this latter system, however, the 'center of gravity of causes' is
determined by the presence, among the number of its concentrations, of a
great comet, 'Solni,' which, in accordance with certain combinations of the
'common-cosmic harmonious movement,' comes at times in its falling very
near to its sun Baleaooto, which is thereby forced greatly to increase its
'tension' in order to maintain the path of its own falling This tension provokes
the same in the suns of the neighboring systems, among which is the system
Ors, and when in its turn the sun Ors increases its tension in order not to
change the path of falling proper to it, it provokes the same tension in all the
concentrations of its own system, among which is also the planet Earth.
"The 'tension' in each of the planets acts also on the common presence of
all the beings arising and breeding on it, always engendering in the beings,
besides desires and intentions of which they are not aware, the feeling called
sacred 'iabolioonozor' or, as your favorites would say, 'religious feeling,'
namely, that 'being-feeling' which, as I have already said, appears at times in
the desire and striving for more rapid self-perfecting as regards Objective
Reason.
"It is interesting that when this sacred feeling—or another similar to it,
likewise engendered by a certain common-cosmic actualization—is produced
in the presence of your favorites, they accept it as a symptom of one of their
numerous diseases, and call it 'nerves.'
"It is necessary to remark that this impulse, inherent in the presence of all
three-brained beings of our Great Universe, arose and was developed almost
normally in most of the terrestrial beings of a former period, that is, from the
time when the organ kundabuffer was removed from their common presence
right up to the second transapalnian perturbation.
"But later, among the chief evils flowing from the conditions of ordinary
being-existence established by them themselves, especially since there began
to predominate in the presence of every terrestrial three-brained being their
'inner evil god' named 'self-calming,' it came about that under the action of
Solioonensius, instead of the desire and striving for a more rapid selfperfecting,
a 'something' began to arise in them which they themselves
characterize by the words 'need of freedom,' which is the chief cause of the
appearance of these grievous processes of theirs such as this recent
'Bolshevism. '
"I will explain somewhat later how they represent to themselves this
famous 'freedom' of theirs, for the moment I will only tell you that the
sensation which arises from the action of Solioonensius strengthens the need
in them for some change or other in the general outer conditions of their
ordinary being-existence, which until then were more or less stable.
"After the second transapalnian perturbation occurred to this ill-starred
planet, that is, after the 'loss of Atlantis,' the action of the cosmic law of
Solioonensius in the common presence of your favorites took place at least
forty times, and each time, thanks to this strange need of freedom which
has become fixed in the majority of them, almost the same thing took place as
has recently been occurring among the groups inhabiting that part of the
surface of your planet called 'Russia. '
"Here it is extremely important to note that these terrifying processes could
never have occurred among the three-brained beings of the planet Earth if
those data for engendering the being-impulse of Conscience, which had
remained intact in their subconscious—data to which the Most Saintly Ashiata
Shiemash was the first to turn his attention, and which he relied upon for the
fulfillment of his mission—had taken part in the functioning of that consciousness
of theirs which has become habitual for them during their waking
state.
"It is only because the data for the sacred impulse of being-Conscience do
not take part in the functioning of this consciousness of theirs that the action
of the law of Solioonensius, as well as of other inevitable cosmic laws, assumes
these abnormal forms which are so lamentable for them.