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[trendsetter37]

Ok so I went through the hieronymus machine site that was posted above. And I must say it IS fascinating! I also think that an instrument like that would be a good supplement to the rife technology. I will spend the majority of the day going through all of the chapters in the rife report.

Some of this stuff seems to be deliberately obfuscated through machinery and fancy knobs that don't always serve a real purpose other than to mislead (and to gain patents), so I think it's possible that if we understand the theory, we could have use of these functions without needing complex or inconvenient setups. Not to mention, there must be some of the missing puzzle pieces here for us to plug in to the big picture.

I definitely agree with this. And this is why I didn't mind spending time going through the link you posted monotonic. In relation to the Rife equipment I think knowing about the hieronymus and its possible method of operation will help in anything we experiment on.

The implications of having something simple to test for for toxins, or metals would definitely be useful. I will report back once I am finished with rife.

What do you guys think? Is it a worthwhile pursuit to include theoretic discussion?

I think it is as long as it doesn't replace the act of actually tinkering or building and testing things. Btw how would we test for efficacy if we ourselves are not ill or we don't have viral or pathogens as samples? Is that the same thing as testing on animals?

 

[monotonic]

After a point it becomes like trying to avoid grass because you don't want to step on it and kill it. If we were worried about the health of our pathogens after all, we wouldn't be trying to get healthy!

If you have good reason to believe that your setup will kill the pathogens in your dog, and know others who've had success with the same treatment, then I don't see why not take advantage of the opportunity to gain some experimental data.

 

[dredger]

Hi all,

I should have posted already, but missing time at this moment (and for a few months).
This thread of the forum is really exciting and I hope we'll succeed to gather concrete information. I want to play a role in this but it's not the good time of the year here. But let's answer a first post I hope i'll be allowed to re-edit it as I'll complete the information on PEMF on this thread by time to time (as the good reference post of goyacobol on the rife technology)

About PEMF
PEMF means "Pulsed Electromagnetic fields"
You can search on google directly on "PEMF" or "PEMF therapy" and you'll find a good number of results.

My summary (basic but concrete one) :
We all need air, water and food to survive, air is the most important one as you won't last more than a few minutes without. But between air and water you have another one : the earth magnetic field. This "fact", would need further researches, you can have one idea by reading the following link.

All the cells of a human body, and I guess same for animals, have a specific vibration frequency. Our cells respond to very low frequencies, between 1 to 20 Hertz.
The principle of PEMF devices is to simulate such frequencies and boost/enhance/stimulate your cells. This makes your whole body ... running better in overall. We could say that PEMF devices are usefull for improving all of your body functions, of all of your organs - let's say that you "plunge" your body in a healthy cocoon of good vibrations which stimulates it entirely.



Links : (I'll complete if necessary by time to time)

Videos which introduce the technology : link
Ok the author really want to sell his book, but he did a good job popularization - please also note that the author prefers one product, but there are quite a few different manufacturers and there are already many comparisons on the internet, but all these comparisons seems to be oriented and subjectives.

Wikipedia : link

A good summary of the use of this technology sorted by illness - link

Manufacturers :
QRS : _http://www.qrs.com/index.php
iMRS : _http://www.swissbionic.com/en/
MAS : _http://masmagnetics.com/

Note: there are many others, also portables ones (Vari Zapper from Hulda Clark), and so on. I'll complete the list in the future.


Personal facts :
- I acquired an iMRS 2000 but I do not have much testimonies to give - the lone one is my girlfriend who is used to have anginas. When it arrives, she's out for at least 3 days, + 2 or 3 more days to recover. Last time she started one, it was during a saturday - the evening she had really pain in the throat when drinking or swallowing food. She only take this time, starting saturday, colloidal silver + PEMF sessions. On monday morning, she went to work, she was tired, but ok for working - and take note that she's a teacher, hard to teach students when you are not in good health conditions. But it's all I have at this time as a personal testimony.
I also used it during these last 11 months I acquired one, when I felt bad, and it's true I did not really get ill during these last months ...

- My uncle acquired a portable vari-zapper, and told me, in summary, that it helped to solve small health issues for him, but for his wife, it really helped her to almost get rid of a physical and long time problem at her elbow (don't have much details)

- The person who sold me the iMRS came to make a presentation. His main argument was his wife, which came with him and who explained that she was in a wheelchair before (i'm sorry but I don't remember the cause or the illness), she was pretty weak and unable to walk more than a few meters before being exhausted - she used intensively the PEMF device and was there at the demonstration, acting normally, and saying that this technology saved her from bad life conditions due to her illness.

- The same person who sold me the iMRS said, during the presentation, that he sold this device to some people having a cancer. He said that the use of the PEMF device improved all the aspect vs the illness, even the parallel treatments (chimio) it reduced against-effects of the therapies. I recently asked him if he could gather some testimonies of the doctors, and answered me the following (traducted from french to english) :

Your question related hospitals and medical evidence: always difficult to ask for testimonials (written), even the doctors who know the benefits of the IMRS. The reason is that many doctors are associated with the 'Order of Physicians is it's order is not tolerant to PEMF because with PEMF you can support a lot of diseases and surgical operations and believe that it will decrease their 'work' (ie also their earnings). Another is the PEMF is not taught in universities.
There are doctors who recommend occasionally the IMRS.
We sold IMRS systems specialists to physicians, not to the hospital, but for private !! So it can say something: they understand the function and efficiency of PEMF (IMRS).
There is also the pharmaceutical lobby ... with the IMRS is possible to reduce the pills .... (under the doctor's prescription)

It's all, I'll try to take time and come update this post to be the reference post about PEMF.
Cheers all !

 

[dredger]

A small repost for a question :

Can someone make the "link" between Rife and PEMF theories/technologies ?

There's a link for sure, but only one person who handles well in his mind the principles could answer, once he understood both concepts. I would really be interrested by reading a kind of "easy to understand explanation" about the differences and the commonalities between both.

 

[goyacobol]

A small repost for a question :

Can someone make the "link" between Rife and PEMF theories/technologies ?

There's a link for sure, but only one person who handles well in his mind the principles could answer, once he understood both concepts. I would really be interrested by reading a kind of "easy to understand explanation" about the differences and the commonalities between both.

dredger,

Good to have your input and I thank you for the previous post and link on PEMF. I downloaded the videos from your previous post and thought they were fascinating. I can not answer your question about the differences and commonalities between Rife concepts and PEMF except in a very general observation way.

I the past in the 1980's I was interested in a Japanese company that sold magnetic and in-fared products but gave more products to friends and family than I sold. I did find that there was a least one physician that endorsed the benefits of magnetic therapy and sold the products himself. I guess that is why I still find and these ideas interesting.

My only observation which is only based on reading and comparison is that the Rife technology is aimed at targeting a specific frequency to kill or eliminate harmful viruses and bacteria where the PEMF frequencies are more preventative and more broad based in their application.

I see great potential in both approaches. The PEMF comparison to homeopathic treatment is very appealing too. The frequency ranges are more in the Schumann and earth based ranges and seem less intrusive and harmful.

The Rife frequency manuals seem to have very high hertz ranges depending on the disease you are trying to kill but the machines listed are in the 20 -24 mhz range. The one Rife website(_http://rifevideos.com/dr_rifes_true_original_frequencies.html) says:

People have mistakenly used these higher audio frequencies believing that they were Dr. Rife’s original
primary frequencies. They did this because they did not know that these high audio frequencies had to be used with a
harmonic carrier frequency of 3.30 Megahertz (3,300,000 Hertz) to produce through harmonic sidebands Dr. Rife original
high RF frequencies.

Maybe the higher frequencies are necessary to kill or eliminate some conditions. The list of diseases that the Rife machine was supposed to cure is very impressive to say the least.

"The proof is in the pudding" as they say. ;)

 

[monotonic]

Rife's original frequencies are accurate for the specific pathogens, but they don't penetrate into the body well, so you need much more power to do any good. Using higher frequencies is more effective. and requires less power. The RF technique is to pass an RF signal and an audio signal through an RF mixer, which produces a spray of frequencies that covers a large range of the Rife frequencies. In this form it's not the audio or the RF signal itself that does anything, it's the other frequencies produced.

 

[cubbex]

I downloaded two months ago a library with a bunch of books about it, if I find they are relevant how do I upload them here.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Rife's original frequencies are accurate for the specific pathogens, but they don't penetrate into the body well, so you need much more power to do any good. Using higher frequencies is more effective. and requires less power. The RF technique is to pass an RF signal and an audio signal through an RF mixer, which produces a spray of frequencies that covers a large range of the Rife frequencies. In this form it's not the audio or the RF signal itself that does anything, it's the other frequencies produced.

Interesting! There is a term called harmonics in the study of waveforms, where higher frequencies can interact and create lower frequencies which are mathematically linked ratios of the originals.

 

[monotonic]

Specifically, the 3.3MHz signal is frequency-mixed with the audio signal to produce sidebands which land on harmonics of Rife's frequencies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideband

One point needs to be made very very clear. There is nothing special about the frequency 3.3MHz or the audio range frequencies used on some Rife machines. Either of these alone are not Rife's frequencies. They are mixed together and then passed through a nonlinear circuit which produces a spray of sidebands that land on Rife's frequencies and their harmonics. You can choose different frequencies that have a similar effect, but these ones were settled on as optimal for practical reasons, and they will not produce Rife frequencies unless they are passed through a nonlinear circuit or RF mixer. The RF mixer could be compared to a blender used to mix two foods to produce a new, unique food.

 

[LQB]

Specifically, the 3.3MHz signal is frequency-mixed with the audio signal to produce sidebands which land on harmonics of Rife's frequencies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideband

One point needs to be made very very clear. There is nothing special about the frequency 3.3MHz or the audio range frequencies used on some Rife machines. Either of these alone are not Rife's frequencies. They are mixed together and then passed through a nonlinear circuit which produces a spray of sidebands that land on Rife's frequencies and their harmonics. You can choose different frequencies that have a similar effect, but these ones were settled on as optimal for practical reasons, and they will not produce Rife frequencies unless they are passed through a nonlinear circuit or RF mixer. The RF mixer could be compared to a blender used to mix two foods to produce a new, unique food.

If the audio signal spectrum = ASP, then at the output of the mixer (multiplier) you will have at the output:

3.3Mhz + ASP (upper sideband), plus
3.3MHz - ASP (lowers sideband)

You can then filter one or the other (of the sidebands) if desired. So, if ASP = 1000Hz (1KHz) tone, then the output will be 2 tones at:

3.301 MHz and 3.299 MHz

 

[monotonic]

On this page from the website given early in this thread, you can see the spectrum of most effective version of the Rife machine:

http://rifevideos.com/chapter_9_1938_to_1939_beam_ray_corporation_clinical_rife_machine.html

The bottom half is littered with spectrum charts.

However to really understand how this is working you must read and understand the text.

 

[dredger]

Hello,

I come back on this thread as I received some information from one company who sell "how to build your own rife machine", the Spooky system - I think it's ziggystarlust who first mentionned this company. I send them an email and received rapidly an answer, I also asked him in my answer back if I could post his answer on a forum, and specified the sott forum, his reply is also worth it.

First, here's his first answer which are information that are still usefull to be known :

The Spooky2 Rife System is sold only from a single Chinese hub. There's a very good reason for this. Since you're a newcomer to Rife therapy, you will not be aware of the history.

From its invention back in the 1930s, this technology has been suppressed by global medico-government persecution. Until the 1970s, Rife was driven underground, and the only machines available were made by individuals in their garages or workshops, and sold by word of mouth.

Today, you can buy American and European commercial Rife machines on the web. However, all these machines are based on technology and scientific thinking which has not advanced since the 1930s, and so does not threaten the pharmaceutical stranglehold on human health. Because these cannot replicate exactly what Dr. Royal Raymond Rife did, they're not really very good at curing the diseases that matter.

So give you an idea of what's at stake, every case of cancer generates up to a million US dollars in revenue for the allopathic medical system.
Because this system is now inextricably entwined in most western societies, government shares in this goldmine of death.

There have been advances in the field which would have produced technology that threatened this status quo, but every time a new manufacturer tried to market revolutionary new devices in the USA and Europe, their homes and businesses were raided by commando-style law enforcement, their stock and equipment illegally seized, and they were arrested and charged with medical fraud.

In most cases, these unfortunate people served long jail terms. In others, they (and their families) were lucky enough to escape and live in exile, leaving all their possessions behind.

This is why we have no national/regional stockists or agents. We refuse to allow innocent lives to be destroyed by this greed - in which our own governments actively collude.

By working with Chinese manufacturers co-ordinated by a central Chinese distribution hub, we avoid this possibility. And by allowing the end-user to essentially assemble his own Rife machine from separate components, and not selling an already-built machine ourselves, we avoid falling into the jurisdiction of the medical regulatory agencies.

Spooky2.com sells nothing. The only thing we make is the software that controls the system. Since this is freely given away, we don't fall into the jurisdiction of the so-called "consumer protection" agencies either.

Before we started this project, we sat down and carefully looked at all the history so that we could avoid making the mistakes that cost other developers their freedom, their assets, and in some cases, their families and lives.

The fact that we're still here shows that we're doing it right.

... and his second answer when I asked to post his response, here is what he said :

Yes, I'm familiar with the SOTT website. In fact, it was the SOTT sister website, cassiopaea.org, that first led to my awakening. Feel free to quote me.

I hope to have more time begining of 2015 to dig on this subject - what he ... let's call him "spooky" answered is of course also a bit commercial, and only experimentation between trustfull people will answer to question whether such system is a pale copy of the original Rife machine (based on the results), or if a good one, giving good results. Anyway, let's say that I would more trust this source than "big commercial sites selling top notch rife machines". Here too we need to separate the wheat from the chaff ... yup, it's a way to learn :)

 

[trendsetter37]

Hmm I am glad you posted this dredger. I went to purchase the function generator and ran into some obstacles. For one they wouldn't take my debit card when trying to purchase from the spooky site mall. And I was a bit surprised that it would be delivered from China even on Newegg. OSIT. So I will just go the route of newegg.com since I know I will be able to pay for it through there.

 

[hlat]

I try to use credit cards online instead of debit cards, for better protection.

 

[broken.english]

I have a Rife machine which I could share with other members in my area. It is a 20 mhz generator(F 165, three channels) coupled with a plasma lamp unit. That was the good news.

On the other hand my application methods may need some fine tuning. On one occasion I could stop a friend's cold by intuitively selecting the correct frequency. I must have had a lucid moment. Just a few months later I found myself unable to cure the worst cold of my life, which lasted 4 months and a half. In that time I tried all kinds of frequency sets from Hulda Clark and others, with and without a carrier to no avail. While running these frequencies I had many hits, which means that I felt resonance in my chest but overall it was just not good enough. What I learned is that when running single frequencies in the high range, let's say 1200000 hz 0,5 hz still make a difference. I could feel this when I ran sweeps in that range. It repeatedly happened that I felt resonance in my chest and just 0.5 hz further on I could feel it in my gums. So this method(using single frequencies) was not successul and very time consuming. It would take 10 hours just to make a 100 hz sweep with 3 minutes per each frequency.

Since that failure I have been pausing my experiments but I am now motivated for a restart.

The following is mainly with reference to an article on rifevideos.com titled
Dr. Rife and Philip Hoyland's 3.3 MHz (3,300,000 Hertz) Sweep
http://rifevideos.com/dr_rife_and_philip_hoylands_3.3mhz_sweep.html on which I would like to make some comments.

In this article we have the beautiful story of Dr. Johnson and colleagues testing a new set of frequencies, which surprisingly led to the destruction of all bacteria samples and molds in the laboratory of several rooms plus some lab glasses of a certain shape as the icing on the cake. What a smash hit! In the past 70 years or so nobody could really explain why this special machine they used, Rife Ray No.5, was so successful. A partial explanation is given in the article. It says that the machine could produce over 100 sidebands thus covering a range of around 600 hz. If correct, it would be possible to sweep through 25000 hz in just 2 hours at 3 minutes per each set. No explanation is given though on the broken glass.

Now the question is, if there is any chance to repeat the above experiment successfully with modern equipment? The article suggests that practically all Rife frequencies can be covered by a sweep from 25000 hz to 500 hz with a 3.3 or 3.1 Mhz carrier. That would be good but there may be some issues.

1. Sidebands / duty cycles
The sidebands produced by a digital generator might not be as great as those of the Rife/Hoyland machine. It would be good to see on an oscilloscope how things look like, when a RF carrier is modulated with an audio frequency.
Further it would be interesting to see the influence of various duty cycles on the sidebands.
The waveform could also be of interest. My generator makes square waves only. I can imagine that a sawtooth would look smoother.

2. The power factor
It looks like power is a crucial factor. With my equipment 0,5 hz can make a difference, whereas the Rife/Hoyland No. 5 blew up everything in the neigbourhood. I can only conclude that an amplifier is a good idea when plasma lamps are used. Of course one could use handheld or pad electrodes but this is not very comfortable for longer sweeps and there is some doubt that they can cleanly transmit RF frequencies.

Other subjects

- Rife video
Archive org has a 2 hr video of the Rife history made by the people who run rifevideos.com. About 16 min into this video it shows the destruction of bacteria under a microscope.
https://archive.org/details/RoyalRaymondRife

- DNA frequencies
An interesting method of determining the frequencies of pathogens comes from Char Boehm. She calculates the frequencies by the size of the DNA. I like the idea. Unfortunately she delivers these frequencies in the audio range from 700 to 1400 hz so that people can run them on any low cost device. Maybe she can do better but I did not ask. _www.dnafrequencies.com