Russian military plane with 91 on board crashes en route to Syria

Re: Russian military plane with 91 on board disappears en route to Syria

Niall said:
I think commenters under the video have pointed out inconsistencies? Is this dashcam footage even from Sochi? Maybe Russian-speakers can check this out for us.
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Can't say if it is a Sochi but YouTube comments really point to several inconsistencies (using foul language mainly) so it must be a fake created to attract viewers and benefit on adds. Also If this video was legit we would have other sources speaking about lightning.
 
Three fragments of the the Russian Defense Ministry's Tu-154 passenger plane's body have been found at a distance of 1.8 kilometers [some 1.1 miles] off the coast in the Black Sea, according to a source.

Rescuers Found Three Tu-154 Fuselage Fragments at Crash Site So Far
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612261049016523-russia-plane-crash-fragments/


13 bodies of Tu-154 aircraft crash over the Black Sea were recovered during rescue operation, according to a source in the local emergency service.
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Bodies of 13 Tu-154 Plane Crash Victims Recovered – Emergency Service Source
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612261049014688-russia-plane-crash/


Russian Defense Ministry said that main flight data recorder of the Russian military plane has been found in the Black Sea and will be delivered to Moscow for decoding.
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Main Tu-154 Flight Data Recorder Found, to Be Decoded in Moscow - MoD
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612271049023606-tu-154-flight-data-recorder/


Three more fragments of crashed Tu-154, including the Engine and landing gear, have been discovered in the Black Sea, Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.
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Engine, Landing Gear of Crashed Tu-154 Discovered in Black Sea - Russian MoD
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612271049031765-tu-154-data-recorder-case/


Nikolay Antoshkin, former deputy chief of the Russian Air Forces, said that a fuel system failure could have caused the Tu-154 plane crash in the Black Sea.
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Fuel System Failure Might Be Behind Tu-154 Plane Crash
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612271049034341-tu-154-plane-crash-fuel/

A fuel system failure such as rupture of a duct or a flow divider valve could have caused the Tu-154 plane crash in the Black Sea, Nikolay Antoshkin, former deputy chief of the Russian Air Forces, said on Tuesday.

"I think that if engine fail, one should examine the fuel system. A rupture of a duct, a ducting or a flow divider valve could have occurred – one should look for a problem there," Antoshkin told RIA Novosti. He also said that other possible problems are unlikely to have caused the crash. "I do not think that the crash was caused by a foreign object penetrating the engine. The jet could not have been fueled by low-quality fuel, the pilots were experienced and there was no sabotage," Antoshkin said.

He added that the time necessary to decode the plane’s flight data recorder would depend on damages of the black box.
 
An eyewitness told details of the fall of the Tu-154.

Eyewitness report on last moments of Tu-154
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/12/eyewitness-report-on-last-moments-of-tu.html

December 27, 2016 - An eyewitness to the fall of the Russian Ministry of Defense Tu-154 near Sochi reported details of the crash, saying that it was as if the crew were trying to land the plane in the water. This writes Kommersant, citing sources close to the investigation.

An employee of Coast Guard FSB Border Troops became a witness to the tragedy. At the time of the incident he was on board a boat in the water near Sochi. He said that the plane was taking off from the Adler Airport, but instead of climbing out, began to descend rapidly, as if to make a landing on the sea surface.

At the same time the border guard said that the position of the Tu-154 in the air seemed strange even for a landing as the plane flew unnaturally nose-high, like a motorcycle doing a wheelie. A moment later, the plane, according to him, touched the sea surface with its tail end which broke off on impact, and quickly sank.

Experts commenting on the incident in Kommersant expressed the assumption that the crash was somehow linked to the actions of the crew. According to them, the plane began to lose speed and height due to pilot error, trying to climb out too vigorously. As a result, the Tu-154 could be at supercritical angles of attack that led to the loss of lift of the wings and the subsequent descent of the liner.

As the newspaper notes, a Tu-154 of Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise crashed in similar circumstances in August of 2006 near Donetsk en route from Anapa to St. Petersburg. The captain, trying to rise above the storm front, made mistakes that led to the stalling of the aircraft from a height of 12 thousand meters.
 
angelburst29 said:
An eyewitness told details of the fall of the Tu-154.
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That's an interesting report, but the description doesn't seem to explain how debris and bodies were strewn so far apart. If it merely tried to land in the water, I wouldn't think that that would be the case. But if the report is legit, then it surely removes the fireball angle.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4067950/The-Latest-Pilot-says-data-black-box-soon.html

7:25 p.m. (GMT)

Russia's top investigative agency says it has located a man who filmed a Russian military plane as it crashed in the Black Sea.

The Investigative Committee said Tuesday that it has found several witnesses of Sunday's crash of the Tu-154 plane, including a man who filmed the jet's brief flight and its crash. It didn't identify the man.

The committee didn't indicate if the images the man caught were photographs or video or movie footage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4067950/The-Latest-Pilot-says-data-black-box-soon.html
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Re: Russian military plane with 91 on board disappears en route to Syria

Niall said:
This is being promoted as a flash of light in the sky around the time of the incident in Sochi:


I think commenters under the video have pointed out inconsistencies? Is this dashcam footage even from Sochi? Maybe Russian-speakers can check this out for us.
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By reading almost all comments left by the viewers the conclusion i made is that the video is fake, the region where the video was shot it's not even Sochi but a region in Moscow called MKAD (from wiki):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Ring_Road said:
The Moscow Automobile Ring Road (Russian: Московская Кольцевая Автомобильная Дорога, Moskovskaya Koltsevaya Avtomobilnaya Doroga), or MKAD (МКАД), is a ring road encircling the parts of the City of Moscow, the capital of Russia. The length of the road is 108.9 km, and the number of exits is 35 (including 10 interchanges).
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Now through a lot of swearing comments i found i wise person who took the time and checked on google maps where is precisely the location shown in the video, below the link to google maps:

_https://www.google.ru/maps/@55.6197571,37.7863598,3a,69.7y,41.2h,82.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVtIdKqJxLVVJvUaq6qmG-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

So yes, it's definitely not Sochi.
 
Beau said:
angelburst29 said:
An eyewitness told details of the fall of the Tu-154.
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That's an interesting report, but the description doesn't seem to explain how debris and bodies were strewn so far apart. If it merely tried to land in the water, I wouldn't think that that would be the case. But if the report is legit, then it surely removes the fireball angle.
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I posted the report because it expressed a different point of view but personally, I agree with you - that the description doesn't match - all the other reports coming out piecemeal from Sputnik and RT, of scattered debris and distance from the plane wreckage.

.... that the position of the Tu-154 in the air seemed strange even for a landing as the plane flew unnaturally nose-high, like a motorcycle doing a wheelie. A moment later, the plane, according to him, touched the sea surface with its tail end which broke off on impact, and quickly sank.
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If the plane was flying "nose up" and a moment later, the tail end hit the water and broke off, I would think - the plane would sink - mainly intact? Yet, report after report states, "a large number of plane fragments as well as body parts"? Another thing, I haven't noticed any other news agency pick up on the Fort Russ report?

A security source said that rescuers located on Tuesday an identification, friend or foe (IFF) device at the crash site of a Russian Defense Ministry's Tu-154 plane in the Black Sea.
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Rescuers Locate IFF Identification Device at Tu-154 Plane Crash Site
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612271049048513-tu-154-transponder-located/

Rescuers located on Tuesday an identification, friend or foe (IFF) device at the crash site of a Russian Defense Ministry's Tu-154 plane in the Black Sea, a security source said.

"The IFF device was found, but it has not been brought to surface yet," the source told RIA Novosti. According to earlier reports, the data from the main flight recorder, which was recovered on Monday and transported to Moscow, is being studied by experts, while located voice and auxiliary flight recorders remain underwater. Rescuers also found several large fragments of the crashed plane as well as many body parts at a 200-meter narrow stretch of the silted sea bottom.

"A large number of plane fragments as well as body parts have been found at a stretch of sea bottom with the length of 200 meters [some 656 feet] and the width of up to 5 meters [16.5 feet]," the source told RIA Novosti.
 
Investigators are analyzing the contents of the crashed Tu-154’s black box, which reportedly includes a recording of the cockpit in the crew’s final moments. A source close to the investigation told Life News of the exact final words uttered there.
In the final recording of the cockpit before the crash the pilot can be heard yelling “the flaps, damn it!” followed by “Commander, we’re going down!” according to Life News, citing its source.

That has not however been officially confirmed.
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https://www.rt.com/news/371973-last-words-black-box/

hmm.. But what about flash in sky? Maybe officials must lie because energy weapon was used..
 
Beau said:
RflctnOfU said:
An interesting claim is made by George Webb at the end of this video regarding this crash:
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What's he claiming???
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That up to 12 people on the plane that went down in the black sea were not singers but chemical weapons experts, supposedly going to Syria to look for evidence of or analyze the stockpile of "sarin gas" sent to Aleppo, according to him by the Clinton Foundation. He gives no source for his claim other than to say "this is an FSB thing".

I suppose it's plausible (the CW experts on the plane), although highly speculative. The Clinton foundation claim seems a little silly.
 
According to a source in the security services, rescuers have found and lifted 311 more pieces of plane wreckage from the bottom of the Black Sea near the Tu-154 crash site in the past 24 hours.

Rescuers Find 311 More Pieces of Tu-154 Plane Wreckage, Total Exceeds 1,500
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612281049055356-tu-154-plane-wreckage/

Rescuers have found and lifted 311 more pieces of plane wreckage from the bottom of the Black Sea near the Tu-154 crash site in the past 24 hours, a source in the security services told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

"A total of 1,547 pieces of Tu-154 wreckage has been found and raised to the surface, including 311 founded in the past 24 hours," the source said.


Divers have retrieved the second flight data recorder from the wreckage of the Russian Tu-154 in the Black Sea; they've also discovered 12 large plane fragments and 1,547 smaller ones, the Russian Defense Ministry stated Wednesday.
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Second Tu-154 Flight Data Recorder Recovered From Seabed - Russian MoD (Video)
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612281049059962-russia-tu154-second-flight-data-recorder-recovered/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqonjcWhtWo (1:16 min.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfs93q_Ncqw (0:30 min.)

"The second Tu-154 flight data recorder was found and raised from the bottom less than half an hour ago," the ministry said in a statement.

"Currently, 15 bodies and 239 body parts have been recovered from water," the ministry said in a statement.
 
Re: Russian military plane with 91 on board disappears en route to Syria

Niall said:
This is being promoted as a flash of light in the sky around the time of the incident in Sochi:


I think commenters under the video have pointed out inconsistencies? Is this dashcam footage even from Sochi? Maybe Russian-speakers can check this out for us.
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Many commenters say that the video was filmed in Moscow and depicts Moscow Ring Road
 
Russian Def. Min. said:
"Currently, 15 bodies and 239 body parts have been recovered from water," the ministry said in a statement.
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The severe dismemberment of its passengers suggests that the plane was subject to extreme force, which is not what happens to people on a plane that supposedly crashed like this:

RBTH said:
A key witness to the tragedy is an employee of the FSB (Federal Security Service) Border Guard, who was on a speedboat near the Black Sea coast at the moment of the disaster early on Dec. 25, reports the Kommersant business daily, citing a source in the law-enforcement agencies.

The witness told the investigators that after take-off the plane immediately began to descend toward the sea instead of gaining altitude and that it appeared that it intended to land on the water. The plane's position was strange, said the witness: It was descending at a low speed with an unnaturally turned-up nose.

Kommersant writes that the border guard compared the landing aircraft to a motorcycle speeding on its back wheel alone. In an instant, according to the FSB source, the Tu-154 touched the sea's surface with its tail, which broke off upon impact, crashed into the waves and quickly sank.
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http://rbth.com/politics_and_society/2016/12/27/sochi-plane-crash-tu-154-descended-immediately-after-take-off-witness_669756
 
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