Russian military plane with 91 on board crashes en route to Syria

The latest news suggests that faulty wing flaps could've been the main cause of the crash according to transcripts from the voice recorder:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38449058
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-airplane-black-box-idUSKBN14G0CY
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/28/second-black-box-recovered-russian-jet-faulty-wing-flaps-suspected/
http://www.euronews.com/2016/12/28/russian-crash-probe-points-to-wing-flap-failure-reports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Russian_Defence_Ministry_Tupolev_Tu-154_crash
 
Investigative Committee has also retrieved the video of the Tu-154 plane landing at the Sochi airport as well as video showing the plane taxing toward the parking stand.

New eye witnesses of Tu-154 crash questioned
http://tass.com/world/922846

"New eye witnesses of the crash have been found and questioned, one of the witnesses made a video of the plane taking off and crashing into the sea," she said. "Apart from this video, the video of the Tu-154 plane landing at the Sochi airport as well as videos showing the plane taxing toward the parking stand and its passengers going through passport control, were also retrieved by investigators."

Over 90 people have been recognized as aggrieved parties in the crash case. "The lists have been forwarded to the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection and the Federal Labor and Employment Agency so that insurance payments could be made," the spokesperson added.

According to her, in the past 24 hours, the seabed at the crash site was examined using submersibles. A boat crane was used to retrieve fragments of the fuselage and one of the engines as well as one of the flight data recorders which has been delivered to Moscow for deciphering. Thousands of the recovered fragments of the victims’ clothes and belongings have been examined.

Besides that, in Petrenko’s words, "the area stretching from the Sochi International Airport to the coastline has been scoured, police have been knocking on doors in the area trying to find eye witnesses."

Fuel samples have been sent for investigation, a number of other tests are underway in order to establish all circumstances surrounding this tragic accident, Petrenko said. The victims’ bodies have been delivered to Moscow for identification, she added.


A source close to the investigation has told TASS the plane’s pitch angle was too high and it was being rocked from side to side.

Source says military Tu-154 plane crashed at 510 kilometers per hour
http://tass.com/world/922808

The Russian Defense Ministry’s Tupolev-154 plane that crashed into the Black Sea on December 25 was trying to make a right turn seconds before the disaster. It was flying at a speed of 500 kilometers per hour with its nose high up, a source in the law enforcement has told TASS.

"The crash occurred while the pilots were retracting spoilers (when extracted the spoilers increase the plane’s airlift - TASS). For yet to be established reasons the plane’s pitch angle was too great. Apparently the plane deviated from its designated path while making a right turn. As a result it flew into the water at a speed of about 510 kilometers per hour," the source said.

A source close to the investigation has told TASS the plane’s pitch angle was too high and it was being rocked from side to side. The pitch angle is the angle between the plane’s longitudinal axis and the horizontal plane. If the angle is too high, the plane’s nose is too high and the plane may lose the airlift.

Sources do not rule out that the plane may have crashed as a result of a combination of several factors, including the crew’s error and problems with one of the engines.


Russia’s Federal Security Service said earlier that no evidence had been found linking the crash to terrorism.

Source says no signs of explosion, fire on board crashed TU-154 detected
http://tass.com/world/922696

No signs indicating that an explosion or a fire had occurred on board of the Tu-154 plane before it crashed into the Black sea, have not been detected, a security source told TASS.

"After examining the recovered fragments of the plane, no signs of an explosion or a fire have been detected," the source said.

Russia’s Federal Security Service said earlier that no evidence had been found linking the crash to terrorism. "The four main versions are an engine being hit by a foreign object, substandard fuel that caused the loss of thrust on and eventually stopped the engines, the pilot’s mistake and the plane’s technical failure," the FSB said.


Apart from that, according to the source, divers have lifted 70 more fragments of bodies.

Body of crashed Tu-154 pilot in command lifted from sea bottom — source
http://tass.com/world/922592

The body of the ill-fated Tu-154 pilot in command, Roman Volkov, has been lifted by divers from the sea bottom, a source in the law enforcement agencies told TASS on Monday.

"When large fuselage fragments were lifted, one more body was found. When lifted the body was identified as the plane’s pilot in command Roman Volkov, judging by the insignia," the source said.

Apart from that, according to the source, divers lifted 70 more fragments of bodies


French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo published several caricatures connected with Russia in its latest issue.

Russian Defense Ministry comments on Charlie Hebdo's caricatures of Tu-154 crash
http://tass.com/politics/923106

It is "humiliating for a normal person" to pay attention to caricatures on the Russian Tu-154 plane crash over the Black Sea published by the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, Russian Defense Ministry's official spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said on Wednesday.

"It is humiliating for a normal person to even pay attention to such a poorly-created abomination," Konashenkov said. "If such, I dare say, 'artistry' is the real manifestation of 'Western values', then those who hold and support them are doomed ― at least to loneliness in the future," he added.

"It is not surprising that some of our ‘compatriots’ quieted down though they have just recently posed in selfies wearing ‘Je suis Charlie’ T-shirts," he noted.

French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo published several caricatures connected with Russia in its latest issue. The last issue of this year that has hit the shops today contains caricatures of the Russian Defense Ministry's Tu-154 plane crash in Sochi and of the assassination of Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov.

This is not the first time that Charlie Hebdo has published controversial caricatures connected with Russia. In November 2015, the magazine published drawings on the Russian Kogalymavia's A321 plane crash in Egypt that killed 224 people. The caricature drew sharp criticism from Russia. Reacting to the emerging debate on the matter, the French Foreign Ministry said that the country's leadership has nothing to do with the activities of the magazine and that the employees of the weekly are free to express their own opinions. In October 2016, the magazine published caricatures of the opening of the Russian Orthodox Cultural Center in Paris.

In January 2015, terrorists attacked the office of Charlie Hebdo in Paris, killing 12 people (10 employees of the magazine and two security officers) and injuring another 11. The terrorist attack prompted the "Je suis Charlie" movement in solidarity with the killed journalists and in support of the freedom of speech. The movement spread beyond France and across the world.
 
Here are the last information which I have just read

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612291049093267-tu-154-crash-press-briefing//
 
Castorette said:
Here are the last information which I have just read

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612291049093267-tu-154-crash-press-briefing/

It would be helpful if you could write a small summary of what you read or post an excerpt of the article. With that, it is easier for other readers to follow the discussion or add more points to it.

Here is the corrected link, there was one dash too much in it:

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612291049093267-tu-154-crash-press-briefing/
 
Latest version of the flight:

RT said:
General Lieutenant Sergey Bainetov, the chief of the Russian Defense Ministry’s Flight Safety Service, said that the Tu-154’s last flight was only 70 seconds long. It climbed to about 250 meters and flew at a speed of 360 to 370 km/h before plunging into water.

https://www.rt.com/news/372130-tu154-plane-crash-malfunction/
 
Gazeta.ru reports that according to the minister of transport Maksim Sokolov, there was no explosion onboard, but they still consider the terrorist attack version as a possibility. Here are some photos of the wreckage from the article:

_https://www.gazeta.ru/social/photo/raboty_po_podemu_oblomkov_tu-154_iz_chernogo_morya.shtml#!photo=0&full
 
Siberia said:
Gazeta.ru reports that according to the minister of transport Maksim Sokolov, there was no explosion onboard, but they still consider the terrorist attack version as a possibility. Here are some photos of the wreckage from the article:

_https://www.gazeta.ru/social/photo/raboty_po_podemu_oblomkov_tu-154_iz_chernogo_morya.shtml#!photo=0&full

Thanks for the additional photos, Siberia. They keep claiming there was no explosion on board but on some pieces of metal - like in photo 7 in the above link, a fragment of metal looks like it is turned out - due to pressure inside, unless that affect is from impact and force of some kind? It's still a mystery?

Preliminary results of the investigation into Tu-154 crash are likely to be announced next month, according to Russian Transport Minister Maksim Sokolov

Transport minister says main phase of search operation at Tu-154 crash site is over
http://tass.com/world/923170

MOSCOW, December 29 - The main phase of the search operation at the site of the Tupolev-154 crash in the Black Sea is over, Russian Transport Minister Maksim Sokolov told at TASS news conference.

"By now we have completed the main phase of the joint search operation. This does not mean that the search is over. It is going on and will be continued. About 18 ships and other floating vessels remain in this area of the Black Sea. So do some 50 divers and the personnel necessary to monitor the coastline. The search and rescue services of the Russian air transport agency Rosaviatsiya and the federal marine and inland waterways transport agency Rosmorrechflot will be commissioned, if need be," he said.

"The area of the disaster has been thoroughly combed. In the process of the search operation the bodies of nineteen victims have been recovered. Also, 230 fragments of victims’ bodies and 13 large and nearly 2,000 small fragments of the plane have been picked up," Sokolov said.

He recalled that taking part in the operation were 3,500 men and 80 pieces of equipment. Since the moment of the plane’s crash more than 130 square kilometers of the water surface and slightly less than 70 kilometers of the seabed have been examined.

"When it hit the water surface and the seabed, the plane was completely destroyed, which greatly hinders the search. At the moment this work is being conducted with the use of special equipment and manned and unmanned submarines. Divers are involved, too," Sokolov said.

All fragments of human bodies will undergo mandatory DNA tests.

Probe into the crash and preliminary conclusions

Final conclusions regarding the crash of Russia’s Tu-154 airplane last Sunday over the Black Sea near Sochi will be drawn after the data from recovered flight recorders is deciphered:

The final conclusions into the cause of this tragedy will be drawn following the decoding of both parametric and voice flight data recorders," Sokolov told a news conference.

"Although some data was already leaked by media, the final conclusions will be definitely drawn following a thorough analysis and all of the required expertise work."

As was reported earlier, two flight recorders of the crashed Tu-154 plane have been found. The basic flight recorder has already been delivered to the Air Force central research institute in the Moscow Region while the second black box was recovered from the Black Sea bed on Wednesday.
 
Niall said:
Latest version of the flight:

RT said:
General Lieutenant Sergey Bainetov, the chief of the Russian Defense Ministry’s Flight Safety Service, said that the Tu-154’s last flight was only 70 seconds long. It climbed to about 250 meters and flew at a speed of 360 to 370 km/h before plunging into water.

https://www.rt.com/news/372130-tu154-plane-crash-malfunction/

This reminds me of the crash which killed five French military officials en route to Libya just outside Malta airport back in October.

The aircraft crash-landed on the road between Safi and Kirkop, right outside the MIA runway. The airplane was seen rising in the air and then nosediving back into the ground. The explosion was caught in dramatic footage by a motorist driving along the road.

https://www.sott.net/article/331946-Five-French-military-officials-killed-en-route-to-Libya-in-aircraft-crash-outside-Malta-airport

Perhaps the aircraft controls, flight and communication, were taken over in either or both of these incidents?
 
Gawan said:
Castorette said:
Here are the last information which I have just read

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612291049093267-tu-154-crash-press-briefing/

It would be helpful if you could write a small summary of what you read or post an excerpt of the article. With that, it is easier for other readers to follow the discussion or add more points to it.

Here is the corrected link, there was one dash too much in it:

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612291049093267-tu-154-crash-press-briefing/

Okay, I'm sorry. Will do it next time.
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/747851/russia-plane-crash-panic-new-footage-final-words

Final words of Russian plane crash crew reveal panic as first underwater footage emerges
The final words from the cockpit of the stricken Tu-154 military jet show the Russian flight crew in panic as the plane lost height.

Information is being recovered from the discovered black box, as the first underwater footage of the wreckage emerges.

Evidence from the flight immediately after take-off from Sochi airport shows the pilots were struggling to control the flaps.
A recording of the flight crew leaked to the Russian media is interrupted by noises of alarms as the plane loses altitude before crashing into the Black Sea killing all 92 on board.

The recording of the cockpit exchanges between the flight deck crew comprising the captain, Major Roman Volkov, his co-pilot, a navigator and an engineer.

- ...Speed 300... (not clear)

- (not clear)

- Stands are off, commander

- (not clear)

- Oh ouch!

A sharp alarm signal

- The flaps, b***h, what the f***!

- Altimeter!

- We are... (not clear)

Alarm signal warning of dangerous proximity to the ground.

- Not clear

- We are falling, commander!

End of the recording.
 
Laura said:
Could the flaps have been sabotaged?

I'm leaning towards sabotage myself. If there's no evidence of a bomb, nor of a natural cause like a bolide explosion, then it seems sabotage is the most likely explanation. It doesn't sound like the pilots caused the plane to crash.
 
Beau said:
Laura said:
Could the flaps have been sabotaged?

I'm leaning towards sabotage myself. If there's no evidence of a bomb, nor of a natural cause like a bolide explosion, then it seems sabotage is the most likely explanation. It doesn't sound like the pilots caused the plane to crash.

In this "The disaster of the Russian military Tu-154 – a few short first thoughts (UPDATED)" article published on Dec 25Th, The Saker
told this:
Sabotage/bomb: most likely simply because all other causes are even less likely. True, this was a military aircraft with, supposedly, good security. Alas, I can confirm from personal experience that if you look Russian and speak Russian like a native and if you act the right way, military security in Russia is nowhere near as good as it should be. However, if you speak with an accent or look foreign, and that includes speaking with a Caucasian accent or looking like somebody from the Caucasus, you would have a much harder time beating the controls.

It was his first thought on the day that plane crashed even if he made an update later:

UPDATE: according to Russian sources the voice recorder of the Tu-154 indicates some kind of emergency malfunction of the aircraft’s wing flaps. If this information is confirmed by the data flight recorder and the Russian experts then this is not a terrorist attack. If so, I am immensely relieved in my sadness. The Saker

The Saker seems to have a great knowledge with Russia, so maybe his first thoughts were correct?
 
I apologize, I totally forgot to post the link for the article:

http://thesaker.is/the-disaster-of-the-russian-military-tu-154-a-few-short-first-thoughts/
 
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