Russian military plane with 91 on board crashes en route to Syria

Sabotage doesn't sound right to me: the plane only made a quick stopover at a location that was changed at the last minute due to bad weather elsewhere. Plus, it's a Russian military plane, so I imagine it's difficult to gain access to it.
 
Keit said:
Would it be possible to remotely control the flaps?

I imagine so, but I also imagine it might be easier to 'zap' the plane a la Sinai crash, rather than remotely hijack its systems a la Germanwings (again because of the likely lack of accessibility of the systems involved).
 
angelburst29 said:
I'm still looking for an earlier report which stated the plane and passengers sat on the air field for about two hours, waiting to get refueled.


Allegedly, the passengers of the aircraft were not allowed to leave the airplane in Adler for two hours.

Tu-154 crashed as a result of NATO’s covert operation?
https://off-guardian.org/2017/01/03/tu-154-crashed-as-a-result-of-natos-covert-operation/

Russia’s Ministry for Transportation does not consider a terrorist attack to be one of the versions that led to the crash of the Tu-154 passenger airliner of the Russian Defence Ministry in the Black Sea on December 25. For the time being, we know that the weather was fine, the pilots were experienced, and the aircraft was technically sound.

The crash of the Tu-154 over the Black Sea looks very much like the explosion of the Russian passenger jetliner over Sinai Peninsula, when the Federal Security Bureau made an official announcement about the terrorist attack only two weeks after the crash. There is another version – of radio-electronic attack.

Black boxes may not give an answer to the question of whether there was a terrorist attack on board the Tu-154. This has already been the case in the investigation of the Sinai plane crash, before specialists found traces of two-component explosives in a can of Coke, hidden in a seat pocket. The explosion caused the plane to collapse in midair. This explained the reason why the fragments of the aircraft were scattered on a large territory, FSB Director Bortnikov then said.

The Tu-154B MO, Flight RA-85572, took off from Chkalovsky military airfield near Moscow on December 25th. The aircraft was en route to Damascus with a refuelling stop in Mozdok on a regular route across the Caspian Sea, Iran, Iraq and the whole of Syria. Mozdok was closed, and the plane detoured for 408 km in the opposite direction, to Adler, even though there were other airports working nearby (Mineralniye Vody, Nalchik, Makhachkala). Allegedly, the passengers of the aircraft were not allowed to leave the airplane in Adler for two hours. Reportedly, no one boarded the plane and nothing was loaded on the aircraft either. The plane was only refuelled, and then it took off at 5.25 a.m. Two minutes later, at 5.27 a.m., Flight RA-85572 stopped responding to dispatchers and went off radar screens.

During one of the briefings of the Ministry of Defence, the map showed that the plane disappeared from radar screens immediately after making a turn of 180 degrees. However, flightradar24 real time tracker did not reflect such a manoeuvre. Was the transponder turned off?

After the crash, the wreckage was scattered over an area of about 10-12 square kilometers. Was it a current or an explosion? The Ministry for Transport said that the version of the terrorist act was not among the priorities. FSB officials rejected the version too.
 
Keit said:
Would it be possible to remotely control the flaps?

It is possible technically, but for that you need some device attached to the very flaps, and it is almost in the area of fantastic. Or of course possibility to do it from plane's avionics. Which is hardly unlikely because its Russian military plane. I would also go with the "zapping". Its much much easier than interfere in flaps.
 
Experts have not found any traces of a possible terrorist attack having analyzed fragments of the Tu-154 plane lifted up from the water, the Russian Kommersant newspaper reports.

Crashed Russian Tu-154 Plane Fragments Show No Traces of Terrorist Attack
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701121049502681-crashed-tu154-plane-terrorist-attack/

On Tuesday, The Russian Defense Ministry stressed that the cause of the Tu-154 crash had not been established, contrary to some media reports.

The Kommersant newspaper said on Thursday citing a source that no traces of a "criminal explosion" had been found during a special expert study of the aircraft’s fragments lifted up from the Black Sea.

According to Kommersant, investigators are now focusing on any possible mistakes of the crew as the potential cause of the crash.
 
Orthodox memorial services for the victims of the Tu-154 plane crash will be held on Thursday at all churches in Sochi, the city administration announced in a statement.

Sochi's Churches to Host Liturgical Services in Memory of Tu-154 Crash Victims
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201702021050258648-sochi-liturgical-services-tu-154/

02.02.2017 - On December 25, 2016, the Russian Defense Ministry's Tu-154 plane heading from Moscow to Syria crashed shortly after refueling and take-off from the Russian southern city of Adler, near Sochi.

The plane was carrying 92 people, including eight crew members, 64 musicians of the Alexandrov Ensemble, nine reporters, head of Spravedlivaya Pomoshch (Fair Aid) charity Elizaveta Glinka, and two federal civil servants. None of them survived the crash.

"At 10:00 [07:00 GMT on Thursday] in all the churches of the city of Sochi, including the Svyato-Troitsky Temple, memorial services will start for those who died in the Tu-154 plane crash near Sochi," the city administration said statement says.

Earlier this month, the Russian Defense Ministry stressed that the cause of the Tu-154 crash had not been established, contrary to some media reports.

Russia's Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov said on Sunday that work at the Tu-154 crash site in the Black Sea will continue for as long as needed.


I don't mean to mix apples and oranges here - but Treesparrow Posted an entry in "the Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 crash" thread that referred to a 2001 article by the Guardian, where a Ukraine S-200 missile mistakenly shot down a Russian commercial airliner over the Black Sea, near Sochi that produced an explosion on board, killing 78 crew and passengers. The Russian Tu-154 Airliner was flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk when it crashed.
It might not mean anything, regarding the Russian Tu-154 plane crash but might be food for thought?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35438.15.html

Ukraine admits missile may have downed Russian plane in 2001
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/12/russia.israel

The Guardian
Fri, 12 Oct 2001

A Ukrainian official today admitted that his country's military may have mistakenly shot down a Russian commercial airliner over the Black sea last week, killing all 78 people on board.

The announcement by Yevhen Marchuk, the head of the Ukrainian security council and a member of the commission investigating the tragedy, marks the first time that the country has conceded it may be responsible.

"The reason for the crash could be an unintentional hit by an S-200 missile during the Ukrainian air defense exercises," Mr Marchuk told a press conference today, adding that investigators would make their final conclusions after further, complex research.

The Russian chief of the investigative commission, Vladimir Rushailo, said today that the aircraft had been hit by an anti-aircraft missile, the Interfax news agency reported.

Mr Rushailo said: "The Tu-154 flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk crashed because it was hit by the warhead of an anti-aircraft missile." He added that investigators were continuing to examine fragments of the downed plane.

The Russian Tu-154 airliner crashed October 4 off the Black Sea coast, near the Russian city of Sochi, after an explosion on board. All 78 crew and passengers, most of them recent Russian immigrants to Israel, were killed.

Hours after the crash, US officials said that the tragedy had been caused by an S-200 missile fired mistakenly by Ukrainian forces during military exercises on the Crimean peninsula, which juts into the Black sea.

Pressure has been mounting on Ukraine's leadership to take responsibility for the crash. Ukrainian military officials have heatedly denied they were at fault, but the Ukrainian president, Leonid Kuchma, said yesterday that the defense minister, Oleksandr Kuzmuk, had submitted his resignation immediately after the tragedy. The resignation was rejected.

Mr Kuchma today ordered the creation of a Ukrainian commission to look into the causes of the tragedy, together with Russia.

Russian investigators had initially focused on the possibility of a terrorist attack, but officials signaled over the weekend that they were considering the Ukrainian missile theory ever more likely.

On Tuesday, a top investigator, former Soviet air force chief Yevgeny Shaposhnikov, said experts had found fragments resembling the missile's payload at the Black sea crash site.
 
Fifty five fragments of the Russian Defense Ministry’s Tu-154 plane that crashed into the Black Sea last year were found and raised to the surface, according to a source from the Russian security agencies.

Over 50 Fragments of Russia's Plane Crashed Near Sochi Found Over Past 24 Hours
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201702221050937200-plane-crash-debris/

Fifty five fragments of a Russian military plane that crashed into the Black Sea last year were found over the past 24 hours, a source from the Russian security agencies told Sputnik Wednesday.

Over the past 24 hours, divers went underwater seven times. Fifty five plane fragments were found and raised to the surface," the source said.

Thus, a total of 1,036 plane parts and 84 body fragments have been found at the flight crash site over the last 27 days.
 
It's amazing - what some "activist" will do - for 15 minutes of fame?

In a letter to Czech Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek, members of Obcansky Budicek (Civil Awakening) activist group demand a cancellation of the Russian Alexandrov Ensemble’s upcoming tour of the Czech Republic.

Czech Activists Brazenly Denounce Russia’s Alexandrov Ensemble
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201704241052945757-alexandrov-ensemble-tour/

The activists described the ensemble, also known as the Russian Army Choir, as an instrument of propaganda and a vivid example of using music as an ideological weapon.

They accuse the musicians of glorifying the Russian Army, praising Moscow’s foreign policy and of just about everything else, including the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia.

“I hate to advertise this request and will say only that, after the tragic loss of the ensemble’s leading singers, demanding no entry visas for the rest is absolutely un-Christian behavior,” singer Jiri Klapka, who traditionally hosts the ensemble’s concerts in the Czech Republic, said in an interview with Sputnik Czech.

He added that some obscure organizations, whose names can hardly be found on the internet, are trying to capitalize on the situation.

“It’s my firm conviction that one should not mix art and politics. The majority of Czechs think the same, that’s why all the concerts the ensemble is going to give here have been sold out. I’m sure that this letter by some unknown civil activists will be ignored and the performances will happen as planned.”

The Alexandrov Ensemble will open their tour of the Czech Republic with a concert in Zlin scheduled for May 10. They will also perform in Ostrava, Brno, Prague, Hradec Kralove, Gradce Kralow and Ceske Budejovice. They will team up onstage with the French electro-swing outfit Gypsy Forever, a spinoff of the famous Gypsy Kings band.

When asked whether the new lineup of the Alexandrov Ensemble, which lost almost its entire lineup in last year’s Black Sea plane crash, will be able to preserve its signature style, Jiri Klapka noted that he had earlier met with the ensemble’s second artistic director Mikhail Marushevsky, the acclaimed “Mr. Kalinka” singer Vladimir Ananyev, virtuoso balalaika and accordion players and two new singers: a bass and a baritone.

“They are admirable guys and wonderful singers, all under 30. I’m sure that the new members of the Alexandrov Ensemble are worthy successors to their 64 colleagues, who perished in that tragic plane crash over the Black Sea,” Klapka said.

On December 25, 2016 the Russian Defense Ministry's Tu-154 plane en route from Moscow to Syria to perform a holiday show for Russian servicemen assisting in the fight against terrorism, crashed shortly after refueling and take-off from the Russian southern city of Adler, near Sochi.

Among the 92 people onboard were nine reporters, head of the Spravedlivaya Pomoshch (Fair Aid) charity Elizaveta Glinka, and two federal civil servants. There were no survivors.
 
The Russian Investigative Committee denied media reports of overload being the cause of the Tu-154 crash in December.

Investigators Disprove Reports of Overload Causing Russian Tu-154 Crash
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201704271053055421-tu-154-crash-cause-overload/

Reports claiming that the Russian Defense Ministry plane crashed near Sochi last December because it was overloaded are untrue, Russian Investigative Committee spokeswoman Svetlana Petrenko said Thursday.

"The statement in the press about the Tu-154 aircraft overloading, which allegedly caused the disaster over the Black Sea, does not correspond to the established factual circumstances and the materials of the criminal case," Petrenko said.

She said the Investigative Committee's military investigative bodies would issue a final decision on the criminal case only after a set of expert studies are carried out.
 
Re: Russian military plane with 91 on board disappears en route to Syria

artofdream said:
Source: https://www.rt.com/news/371720-doctor-liza-crash-activist
Source: https://www.rt.com/news/371623-russian-tu-154-disappears-radars/

It seems Dr "Liza" (Elizaveta Glinka) was also listed on the passenger list.

The passenger list released by the defense ministry also includes Elizaveta Glinka, a prominent charity activist and humanitarian worker. She is best known by her blogger nickname “Doctor Liza.” Some reports initially said she may have deplaned in Sochi, but the Presidential Council for Human Rights confirmed that she was on board.

Glinka was best known for aiding children with serious conditions like cancer, homeless people, and other vulnerable individuals. In the past few years, she organized humanitarian missions to conflict zones, including eastern Ukraine and Syria. For her efforts, she was awarded the Order of Friendship in 2012, the fifth highest state award in Russia.

A beautiful tribute to Dr. Lisa .....

Renowned Russian humanitarian and charity activist Elizaveta Glinka, widely known as Dr. Lisa found a place in all our hearts for her humanitarian service in Ukraine and Syria. Her foundation “Fair Help” will now be called “Fair Help by Doctor Lisa” to perpetuate the name of the deceased founder.

Russian Charity Doubling Efforts in Syria After Founder Died Helping Children
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201705181053755537-russian-charity-helping-children-syria/

Sputnik Arabic spoke to a board member and head of the project for aiding children of Donbass and Syria, Natalia Avilova, about how the organization has been coping with everything since Elizaveta died.

It has been almost half a year since she passed. Of course, the most difficult time for us and for our patients was the first three months. We, the team of Doctor Lisa, did not just lose a leader, we lost a mentor, a teacher and for many of us a friend. It was a big blow for all of us and for our patients,” Avilova said.

She further said that the patients did not understand how they will be helped after Dr. Lisa’s death, who will help them, whether the fund will be able to carry on with its work without its founder.

However in 2-3 months, the team realized that Elizaveta Glinka had taught them so much over the past years that they could and will continue her work and make her memory live on.

“In February, we expanded our work by opening a new project. We called it the "Children of Syria" because Elizaveta Petrovna died during her trip to the Syrian Arab Republic, delivering the first humanitarian aid of “Fair Help” to the Tishrin University Hospital,” Avilova told Sputnik Arabic.

She said that they delivered the aid cargo to Syria in February and also decided to launch the project as a permanent one in memory of what Elizaveta Petrovna was doing there.

“She died while helping these children survive so of course it is a great honor for us that we can continue to help those children who suffered so much as a result of the military operations,” Avilova said.

She further said that since the project was launched they have flown to Syria twice, together with their colleagues from the Russian humanitarian mission of Yevgeny Primakov.

“Both trips went to Latakia. We brought in 500 kg of medicines, out of which 20 went to the children-patients at the Tishrin University hospital,” the head said.

Currently, the organization is considering the possibility of bringing in Syrian children in dire need of health care to Russia for treatment.

Some children are suffering from cancer and they need urgent help. However, no firm decision has yet been made.

“On our last trip we also discussed the issue of mine safety. From the experience of working in Donetsk, where we conducted a six-month training program for children, primarily for schoolchildren, about what mines are and how dangerous they can be if approached. Now we are discussing launching a similar mine safety program in Syria in the summer or maybe in September, when the children return to school,” Avilova said.

She added that they have the resources and psychologists who are working on developing this program for the children.

“The only thing we want after a dozen of trips to Syria and Ukraine and that’s what Elizaveta Petrovna always spoke about – is peace. When that happens we will once again calmly feed the homeless, give out food sets to the needy and take care of the sick. We want war to end and so that children, the most defenseless people, do not suffer from military operations,” she concluded.

Dr. Elizaveta Glinka, or Dr. Lisa, as she is known in Russia and Ukraine, was a blogger and a charity activist. She first started getting involved with charity in 1999, when she started the first private hospice in Kiev, Ukraine.

Since then, she dedicated herself to treating homeless people and seriously ill patients free of charge. Her “Fair Help” charity foundation provides material support and medical aid to terminally ill cancer patients.

Since the start of military activity in the southeast of Ukraine, however, Dr. Lisa shifted gears, risking her life evacuating sick and wounded children from the war zone.

She died on December 25, 2016 during the crash of Tu-154 Russian defense Ministry aircraft in Sochi, while it was heading to Syria. It was carrying humanitarian cargo, which was mostly full of medical supplies for the hospital Tishrin in Latakia.
 
angelburst29 said:
In a letter to Czech Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek, members of Obcansky Budicek (Civil Awakening) activist group demand a cancellation of the Russian Alexandrov Ensemble’s upcoming tour of the Czech Republic.

Czech Activists Brazenly Denounce Russia’s Alexandrov Ensemble
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201704241052945757-alexandrov-ensemble-tour/

A senior Czech lawmaker lamented the actions of activists who had protested against the concert tour of Russia's Alexandrov Ensemble.

Czech MP Lambasts 'Dishonest' Protest Against Russia's Alexandrov Ensemble
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201705221053865399-kaputin-cerny-alexandrov-ensemble/

The protests organized by activists from the Kaputin group against the concert tour of the Alexandrov Ensemble, the official choir of the Russian Armed Forces, in the Czech Republic are undemocratic and inappropriate especially in the light of the December tragedy, during which 64 musicians of the ensemble died in the plane crash, a senior Czech lawmaker told Sputnik.

"Just recently, I considered the Czech Republic to be a tolerant and democratic country. However, the actions of the Kaputin group and other similar organizations indicate the opposite. The actions of the Kaputin group, which wants to discredit the Russian military ensemble known throughout the world, especially during the period when it hasn't fully recovered after the December tragedy, are simply dishonest," Alexander Cerny, deputy chairman of the defense committee in Czech lower chamber, said.

The lawmaker added that in a democratic and tolerant society, one should treat everyone with respect, even those you may not agree with.

The Kaputin group had already tried to prevent the ensemble's tour from coming to the country by sending a letter to Czech Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek with a request to ban the musicians from entering the border. The plan, however, did not succeed.

Otakar van Gemund, one of the Kaputin members, told local media that the ensemble was linked to propaganda both in the USSR and in the modern-day Russia, while the ensemble's creator, the Russian army, was carrying out military actions in Ukraine and Syria.

Created in 1928, the Academic Ensemble of Song and Dance of the Russian Army named after A.V. Aleksandrov is Russia’s biggest military and folk music ensemble and is known worldwide as Red Army Choir. It is often perceived as a vivid symbol of Soviet era and Russia's supposed militarism, and therefore the reception of its artists in some countries is not always very warm.
 
WATCH as Sochi commemorates Tu-154 plane crash victims on one-year anniversary December 25, 2017
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/12/watch-as-sochi-commemorates-tu-154.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1aoFRk7Cw (1:42 min.)

SOCHI, Russia - Hundreds brought flowers and candles to the Sochi embankment on Monday, in remembrance of the victims the Tu-154 plane crash, one year after the disaster.

Sochi's residents also held a one minute silence in memory of those who died.


The plane was carrying 92 people, including 84 passengers and eight crew members. The aircraft took off from Sochi bound for Hmeimim airbase, in Syria's Latakia province, carrying the official army choir of the Russian armed forces, the Alexandrov Ensemble, also known as the Red Army Choir, on December 25, 2016.

The musicians on board were due to take part in a New Year's performance.

Elizaveta Glinka, also known as 'Doctor Liza' was also on board the aircraft, accompanying a group of humanitarians delivering aid to Latakia. Doctor Liza was a public figure and human rights activist, doctor-resuscitator and director of a 'Fair Help' charity fund known for helping many children with severe diseases and for active fundraising.
 

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