Russian Passenger Plane Crashes Over Egypt

[Laura]

The detected heat flash could have been simply the engine explosion. In addition to a shockwave from a meteor/comet explosion, there is also the possibility of a plasma event. Remember the light flash from the nose of the plane hitting the WTC tower? A plane flying through a charged atmosphere becomes charged itself. If it then suddenly flies into a pocket of atmosphere with the opposite charge, it could discharge suddenly and produce basically it's own lightning. If that were to happen in combination with that oppositely charged air being sucked into a jet engine, I'm just speculating that it could trigger an explosion of the engine.

 

[Siberia]

A private plane crashed in Crimea today, three people died. :(

And now we have already:

(i) Egypt;

(ii) Kamchatka;

(iii) Sudan; and

(iv) Crimea

avia accidents within just five days (two of them crashed on October 31, and another two today). Interestingly, all of them are connected with Russia in one way or another, and two of them with North Africa.

Looks like the information field is a tricky phenomenon: once something big happens, it tends to repeat itself in various forms.

Just some more speculations.

 

[Joe]

One more speculation: could it be that maybe the fireball didn't explode, but the plane did? I mean, is it possible that the fireball (or vortex, or microburst, whatever) caused the kerosene tank to explode?

It's possible, but if an meteor exploded above the plane, the EMP, arriving first, would likely have instantly fried all electronics, then the shock wave would have thrown the plane downward and also caused it to break up.

 

[Joe]

It's interesting to see how Western powers are subtly and not-so-subtly trying to make the case for a bomb on board.

"UK govt: ‘Explosive device’ may have downed Russian passenger jet over Sinai "

Seems they have finally figured out that that's the best narrative for them to push. God forbid if anyone would consider a "natural" event!

 

[Siberia]

It's interesting to see how Western powers are subtly and not-so-subtly trying to make the case for a bomb on board.

"UK govt: ‘Explosive device’ may have downed Russian passenger jet over Sinai "

Seems they have finally figured out that that's the best narrative for them to push. God forbid if anyone would consider a "natural" event!

Indeed, and perhaps they're also trying to make it look like a "message" to Russia (like, see what our terrorists can do?), but their version sounds extremely implausible: why placing bombs into engines?

 

[Keit]

It's interesting to see how Western powers are subtly and not-so-subtly trying to make the case for a bomb on board.

"UK govt: ‘Explosive device’ may have downed Russian passenger jet over Sinai "

Seems they have finally figured out that that's the best narrative for them to push. God forbid if anyone would consider a "natural" event!

Yeah, just got a NYT alert, that "Britain has suspended flights to an Egyptian resort, saying an explosion might have brought down a Russian jet". Speaking about manufacturing hysteria. Russians, btw, never even considered it.

 

[Eboard10]

It's possible, but if an meteor exploded above the plane, the EMP, arriving first, would likely have instantly fried all electronics, then the shock wave would have thrown the plane downward and also caused it to break up.

But if the EMP arrived first and fried all the electronics, wouldn't it have "switched off" the transponder before the blast hit the plane? The transponder was still sending a signal when the plane started descending.

A private plane crashed in Crimea today, three people died. :(

And now we have already:

(i) Egypt;

(ii) Kamchatka;

(iii) Sudan; and

(iv) Crimea

avia accidents within just five days (two of them crashed on October 31, and another two today). Interestingly, all of them are connected with Russia in one way or another, and two of them with North Africa.

Looks like the information field is a tricky phenomenon: once something big happens, it tends to repeat itself in various forms.

Just some more speculations.

Just speculating here but could it be that after the crash in Sinai, the PTB used that unresolved situation and provoked other similar incidents to build a narrative (making it look like they were the ones who did it behind the scenes) that they could then use to blackmail Russia?

 

[Siberia]

"ISIS" is continuing their nonsense:

In another statement on Wednesday, IS insisted it had brought down the plane, challenging sceptics to prove otherwise.

"We are under no obligation to explain how it came down," the group said in the audio statement posted on social media sites.

"Prove that we didn't bring it down, and how it came down. We will detail how it came down at the time of our choosing."

_http://news.yahoo.com/insists-brought-down-russian-plane-egypt-112513909.html

Who are they expecting to buy it?

 

[Keit]

"ISIS" is continuing their nonsense:

In another statement on Wednesday, IS insisted it had brought down the plane, challenging sceptics to prove otherwise.

"We are under no obligation to explain how it came down," the group said in the audio statement posted on social media sites.

"Prove that we didn't bring it down, and how it came down. We will detail how it came down at the time of our choosing."

Considering that we know who butter's ISIS bread, maybe they are being vague on purpose, while the West is pushing the "bomb on board" narrative. Sigh.

 

[mabar]

The detected heat flash could have been simply the engine explosion. In addition to a shockwave from a meteor/comet explosion, there is also the possibility of a plasma event. Remember the light flash from the nose of the plane hitting the WTC tower? A plane flying through a charged atmosphere becomes charged itself. If it then suddenly flies into a pocket of atmosphere with the opposite charge, it could discharge suddenly and produce basically it's own lightning. If that were to happen in combination with that oppositely charged air being sucked into a jet engine, I'm just speculating that it could trigger an explosion of the engine.

I had not read much the thread, but I had been studying -making notes, reading other books along the book Earth Changes and the Human-Cosmic Connection (is just that to me, is not enough reading it), did a quick search and did not came out anything about a "blue starter" in this thread.

This kind or "blue starter" may trigger the explosion of the engine? they seem to appear in lower position than Red Sprites and Blue Jets _http://elf.gi.alaska.edu/, or the Gigantic Lightning Jets _http://www.livescience.com/10572-gigantic-lightning-jets-shoot-clouds-space.html and, there had been floods in the middle east incluiding Egypt -Alejandría-relative close, at the end of October. I would say the conditions could had been there ...

What size or it is actually?, in the cloud it looks tiny, but the photo is taken far far away, and I remember there was one within this year, althought had not been able to find it. I was wondering the size with the size of the plane ...

Lightning scientist Oscar van der Velde explains this phenomenon: “A blue starter is an electric streamer discharge coming out of the top of a thundercloud, fanning out and reaching up to the stratosphere as high as 26 km altitude. First reported by UAF scientists Wescott and Sentman in 1995/1996, they were found to be different from blue jets, which reach 35-40 km height.”

“Since then, there have been very few reports of blue starters,” continues van der Velde. “It seems that unusual physical circumstances may be required to produce them. Also, geometry can prevent people from seeing blue starters when a cloud is nearby because the underbody of the cloud can block their view. At larger distances the blue/violet light does not make it to the observer due to scattering.”

Blue starters and blue jets are cousins of sprites, another form of exotic lightning that shoots up instead of down. Sprites, however, are more frequently observed.

Image taken from here: _http://news.spaceweather.com

 

[Joe]

From photos, it looks like the plane broke more or less in two pieces. Main part was from nose to wings. Then the back section, which may have split in two, although I couldn't find full images of all the wreckage, only the very rear with stabilizer, which shows a crack along its axis, which could have happened upon impact with the ground, although this part seems to have landed 'belly down' as seen in the image. The break in the stabilizer half way up is strange.

The video at this link shows most of the wreckage spread far apart. Looks like the engines came of separately, and also the very rear cone at the back of the plane can be seen.

 

[Joe]

"ISIS" is continuing their nonsense:

In another statement on Wednesday, IS insisted it had brought down the plane, challenging sceptics to prove otherwise.

"We are under no obligation to explain how it came down," the group said in the audio statement posted on social media sites.

"Prove that we didn't bring it down, and how it came down. We will detail how it came down at the time of our choosing."

_http://news.yahoo.com/insists-brought-down-russian-plane-egypt-112513909.html

Who are they expecting to buy it?

"ISIS" the "reality creators" asks the world to prove a negative! This sounds to me like it is coming from someone who knows that there will be no hard evidence as to what caused the plane to come down, so they can toy with the Russian and Egyptian authorities.

 

[Siberia]

From photos, it looks like the plane broke more or less in two pieces. Main part was from nose to wings. Then the back section, which may have split in two, although I couldn't find full images of all the wreckage, only the very rear with stabilizer, which shows a crack along its axis, which could have happened upon impact with the ground, although this part seems to have landed 'belly down' as seen in the image. The break in the stabilizer half way up is strange.

Dunno, if it's worthy to mention, but Russian media reported earliar that one of their readers sent them some earlier photos of this plane, where you can see that the tail was damaged at some point in the past. The ex-passenger of Metrojet says that he noticed the same side number: EI-ETJ. If you google "EI-ETJ", the tail seems to have some scar on it indeed, but I'm not sure if it's the same plane, so fwiw.

_http://www.e1.ru/news/images/new1/432/558/big/IMG_20140524_215110.jpg
_http://www.metronews.ru/_internal/gxml!0/2qijkhn0ctpwx8acoz5fxkpvtmr4nbh$mm319n1vxjwehbdvrgqt7xg5qxmfec7/2015-11-03-11.jpeg
_https://img.planespotters.net/photo/649000/original/ei-etj-metrojet-airbus-a321-231_PlanespottersNet_649899.jpg
_https://img.planespotters.net/photo/284000/original/ei-etj-metrojet-airbus-a321-231_PlanespottersNet_284460.jpg

 

[Laura]

Oh, brother. Well, what do you expect? The US is supporting its assets.

The latest U.S. intelligence suggests that the crash of Metrojet Flight 9268 was most likely caused by a bomb on the plane planted by ISIS or an ISIS affiliate, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.

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[Ca.]

The detected heat flash could have been simply the engine explosion. In addition to a shockwave from a meteor/comet explosion, there is also the possibility of a plasma event. Remember the light flash from the nose of the plane hitting the WTC tower? A plane flying through a charged atmosphere becomes charged itself. If it then suddenly flies into a pocket of atmosphere with the opposite charge, it could discharge suddenly and produce basically it's own lightning. If that were to happen in combination with that oppositely charged air being sucked into a jet engine, I'm just speculating that it could trigger an explosion of the engine.

Good Article articulating those observations.
The content also covers The Magnetic effects. Interesting is that the Sinai does have a high geographic magnetic profile.

Title: The Magnetic Effect and Shock Wave of a Meteor
Authors: Ivanov, V. V. & Medvedev, Y. A.
Journal: Soviet Astronomy, Vol. 8, p.890
Bibliographic Code: 1965SvA.....8..890I
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1965SvA.....8..890I/0000893.000.html
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1965SvA.....8..890I&db_key=AST&page_ind=0&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES

It is shown that the shock wave of a meteor in the upper atmosphere reveal itself by the isothermal discontinuity. The width of the latter is computed. It is shown that ionization per unit length of a train is determined by the dimensions of the magnetic body. The electromotive force which gives rise to the currents responsible for the magnetic effect of the meteor and also the magnitude of the effect computed. The results are in good agreement with available experimental data.

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