Russia's behavior in these crazy times

[GreyCat]

So, is it just me, or it is also obvious to everyone else that Putin has lost his compass?

You simply cannot do what he did, cause a war, kill people, and to be in the right.

Also, postering and threatening other countries, I wouldnt shed a tear if NATO was to obliterate him into dust.

Now, to be clear, I dont like too much either NATO or Russia, to me they both are pretty much the same, but, this Russian behaviour reeks of insanity. Who are they to think they have the right to kill other people?

It seems to me at least, that these days Russia poses a much greater threat to world security then NATO does.

Thoughts?

 

[Pearce]

So, is it just me, or it is also obvious to everyone else that Putin has lost his compass?

You simply cannot do what he did, cause a war, kill people, and to be in the right.

Also, postering and threatening other countries, I wouldnt shed a tear if NATO was to obliterate him into dust.

Now, to be clear, I dont like too much either NATO or Russia, to me they both are pretty much the same, but, this Russian behaviour reeks of insanity. Who are they to think they have the right to kill other people?

It seems to me at least, that these days Russia poses a much greater threat to world security then NATO does.

Thoughts?

In what ways do you see that Russia poses a greater threat than NATO?

"World security" is a farce. Does Russia poses a threat to the current US-led world order or structure? Probably. Can we say that a Russia-led world structure would be better? Hard to say.

But count how many invasions the US and NATO have led the charge on in the last 30 years, and ask yourself who is the real aggressor here.

Do none of those lives and countries count? If you could ask the dead how they feel about US spreading "democracy" how do you think they'd answer?

 

[Beau]

Oh dear. I think you walked into the wrong bar GreyCat.

 

[bjorb]

Thoughts?

"Now, as to whether issues could be resolved through force and whether you can use force and stay on the side of good; would you like to say that 'good' forces should be helpless or defenceless? 'Good' should not be defenceless. 'Good' should be able to defend itself and that is our position." -Vladimir Putin, Press Conference, Feb. 22, 2022

Also, see this thread: Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

If I may ask, do you follow and read Sott.net?

It seems to me at least, that these days Russia poses a much greater threat to world security then NATO does.

Why would Russia allow a military block near its borders that is hostile in nature? I think it helps if you research what NATO is all about. It's really ugly.

 

[Vulcan59]

Moved to where it rightly belongs, OSIT.

 

[dredger]

@GreyCat prepare 2L of coffee and start to read the following thread :

Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

Mod note: This thread is about the civil war in Ukraine, started by the post-coup Kiev regime's 'Anti-Terrorist Operation' in April 2014, and its ongoing regional and geopolitical ramifications. An older thread concerning the coup d'etat in Kiev, Ukraine, in January 2014, and subsequent events...

cassiopaea.org

(bjorn you were faster than me ^^, anyway, better linking it 2x than none)

To answer your question, i ask another based on the following situation :
Imagine that you have a brother who is unjustly kicked by some people at 5m from you since 8 years, and that you have the strenght/power to intervene, but to do so, you have also to kick back these people kicking your brother, would you help your brother or let him being beaten up ?
And once you start to defend your brother, some other people tell you that you are a violent guy who kicks others, what would you answer them then ?

This example summarizes a part of what is happening in Ukraine.

LOL Vulcan

 

[Beau]

"Now, as to whether issues could be resolved through force and whether you can use force and stay on the side of good; would you like to say that 'good' forces should be helpless or defenceless? 'Good' should not be defenceless. 'Good' should be able to defend itself and that is our position." -Vladimir Putin, Press Conference, Feb. 22, 2022

 

[XPan]

Oh dear. I think you walked into the wrong bar GreyCat.

Not necessarily. I think it is good that both sides are discussed / confronted / highlighted and i give @GreyCat credit for daring to bring the question up.

The thing with war is - no matter “right” or “wrong” - it always puts people at dire risk (for those who are in the middle of it). And frankly, war it is fearful. Deep down it does strike dark cords in people, no matter on which side one is on, no matter the location. War is an extreme manifestion.

So, i welcome that other members of the forum kindly meet greyCats thoughts. I think that is great !

 

[BlueKiwi]

So, is it just me, or it is also obvious to everyone else that Putin has lost his compass?

You simply cannot do what he did, cause a war, kill people, and to be in the right.

Also, postering and threatening other countries, I wouldnt shed a tear if NATO was to obliterate him into dust.

Now, to be clear, I dont like too much either NATO or Russia, to me they both are pretty much the same, but, this Russian behaviour reeks of insanity. Who are they to think they have the right to kill other people?

It seems to me at least, that these days Russia poses a much greater threat to world security then NATO does.

Thoughts?

Money, "power" and greed.

 

[Beau]

I think it is good that both sides are discussed / confronted / highlighted and i give @GreyCat credit for daring to bring the question up.

If the other side wants to talk about how happy they'd be if Putin were "obliterated to dust" by NATO, they can do it on another forum. He doesn't deserve any credit for saying it either.

 

[loreta]

Not necessarily. I think it is good that both sides are discussed / confronted / highlighted and i give @GreyCat credit for daring to bring the question up.

The thing with war is - no matter “right” or “wrong” - it always puts people at dire risk (for those who are in the middle of it). And frankly, war it is fearful. Deep down it does strike dark cords in people, no matter on which side one is on, no matter the location. War is an extreme manifestion.

So, i welcome that other of the forum kindly meet greyCats thoughts. I think that is great !

I think it is good to ask questions, doubt, try to understand what is happening and also it is good to have the courage to ask.

 

[dredger]

If the other side wants to talk about how happy they'd be if Putin were "obliterated to dust" by NATO, they can do it on another forum. He doesn't deserve any credit for saying it either.

Yes but ... wrong information lead to wrong conclusions, and long-time propaganda leads to extreme feelings like hate. I agree that if @GreyCat do not take the sufficient time to inform and do not overcome his "programmation" (we'll maybe rapidly see it upon his future posts/answers), then yes, "wrong bar, not ready to accept some realities", but i think we can let him the benefit of trying to, and then, yes, this remains the right bar.
If i kinda take his defense here it's because i noticed he's Croatian, and i have a direct comparison with my colleague/employee who is Romanian. She was born with this general hatred towards russia, she explained me a story of country stolen by Russia (i admit i did not much tried to understand who is right in this story). When you add Romania's entry into europe + nato + the anti-russian propaganda put in place since 2007, this did not gave her much chance to get another idea on the subject but continuing to hate Russia. I even fear that she could leave the company because she's very sensitive on the subject and she knows that i like Russians or Putin (even if i explain her that i like them based on their acts/decisions, not blindly) - what I figure out regarding her is that this is a kind of test for her, will she be able to reason with herself ?

Well, a bit longer than i expected at begin but here you know why I think it's worth at least to see if GreyCat, as my colleague, manages to slowly see through the/some lies, or not, or not yet. Time will tell.

 

[Pearce]

I agree as well that providing the space to have these discussions is important. My initial reaction of the laughter emoji probably was misplaced, but it wasn't that I was or am laughing at GreyCat, rather the framing of his/her wording gave me a good chuckle.

I can state absolutely that no one should be calling for the obliteration of anyone else, because what will that solve in the end? However as dredger stated, years and decades of programming isn't the easiest to undo. Could the feelings GreyCat holds have been presented differently? Totally, but, it would be wrong of us to dismiss that reaction to programming outright.

It begs a very important question, if tomorrow the forum received a massive influx of new people because word spreads that we are dedicated to getting as close to the truth as we can get here, how will we receive those who haven't spent decades researching? How will they feel received? We all arrived here at different points in time and for different reasons. My search and interest in UFO related information led me here, others may be drawn by political or health related reasons.

Certainly trolls and the like aren't what I'm thinking of here, but those in a pursuit of knowledge. It may take years to undo layers and layers of programming for a lot of people. Which begs another question: how much time left will the universe provide to undo this programming? Will some people never get the chance? Will some people start the journey and then it all really goes kaflooey, not allowing that journey to reach a satisfactory end?

It's easy for me to sit here and say that because I live in a country that has seemingly been pulling all the strings, that I was able to see through certain lies that just didn't match up to reality. But I honestly don't know what it's like to have lived in a country whose strings the US et al have been pulling this whole time.

So many facets and considerations to take in when looking ahead. Though I trust the universe has it all taken care of, the road from point A to Z will likely continue to get more bumpy and muddy as we press on. And I'm certainly no expert on the history of countries on the other side of the pond, much less my own. The lies that we are entrenched in began long before we all were born, so yeah I can hold some compassion regarding the struggle to escape those lies, because it's the hardest thing one can endeavor to achieve in this lifetime.

All of that being said, reiterating that choosing ones words is of upmost importance, and I think a good way to not fall flat is to always be asking questions, both to one's self and also to others. Declarations that are emotional-driven usually lead to disaster. But questions, if they are honest, open the door not only to constructive conversation, but it also switches your mind from closed to open, leaving the opportunity for seeing things differently always there.

These are just my thoughts on the matter.

 

[seek10]

Now, to be clear, I dont like too much either NATO or Russia, to me they both are pretty much the same, but, this Russian behaviour reeks of insanity. Who are they to think they have the right to kill other people?

It seems to me at least, that these days Russia poses a much greater threat to world security then NATO does.

Few days back, I wrote the following to private social media group of our coworkers where most of them happens to be people of Indian origin and upset about Ukraine situation.

It {current situation in Ukraine} has LOT more similarity to India's role in Bangladesh's Independence. In both cases, it is internal issue of neighboring country. They ( Pakistan - Ukraine) messed up in their country contributed to the millions of mass migration into the neighboring country where they have very bad relation. In 1971, Pakistan came to war, because India didn't allow war planes come into Indian territory toward Bangladesh. In both cases majority of migrants are of of the countries belong to races ( Hindu's and Muslims - Russian origin). Both cases, all options are dead ( US don't want to help to resolve, called Indira Gandhi "Bitch" - Minsk Agreement repeatedly violated).

The "enough is enough" came, when Ukraine allowed NATO nuclear missiles to be deployed on its territory while shelling Russia and wants to build nuclear weapons( which it destroyed in 90's). Will US allow nuclear missiles to deployed in Mexico or Canada? In fact , it is US that readied for War when missiles were found in Cuba. One more, If Pakistan had nuclear bombs, will India couldn't have gone to war in 1971. People can do whatever monkeying they want in their homes, but when its threat reaches a neighbor, it's neighbor's responsibility to protect itself. In fact, this is one of the few good contributions from Indira Gandhi's legacy. When england and US decided to block India, It's Russians who outwitted them to prevent it.

How the Soviet Union Helped India Win the 1971 War - Northlines

When Nixon Made Vulgar Remarks About Indira Gandhi But Got Outwitted Over Indo-Pak War

The main difference is, Putin's current action has global consequences and India's action in 1971 has only local consequences.

 

[Andrian]

The main difference is, Putin's current action has global consequences and India's action in 1971 has only local consequence.

Agree, the following forum Greycat is based on research, sharing of information, gathering knowledge from every possible field, doing the Work on ourselves by applying the gathered knowledge and by helping and supporting each other, understand and seeing the surrounding reality for what it is and not for what others would love for us to see it. In order to have an objective view of a specific event, crisis ecc. one has to gather all the information one is able to gather, analyze it with a critical mind without letting the emotions to influence your thinking, holding the facts, the truth and discarting the lies, suppositions, disinformation ecc. then connecting the dots of the gathered information thus one should be able to get a pretty clear picture of that specific event. The method is being explained in a pretty poor manner but still it renders the idea.

As the C's are saying "Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers". You just can't judge anyone or anything without knowing little or nothing whatsoever of that particular person or event, that's laziness and ignorance. And trust me if one isn't able to see this blind spot in himself sooner or later he'll discover the consequences that are being brought by ignorance.

If you really want to understand what's happening now in Ukraine and WHY then I'd recommend watching the following documentary by Oliver Stone on the other throwing of the Ukrainian government by the neonazi factions backed and supported by the EU and especially the US:

Ukraine on Fire: The Real Story_Oliver Stone, 2016

Ukraine, the 'borderlands' between Russia and 'civilized' Europe is on fire. For centuries, it has been at the center of a tug-of-war between powers seeking to control its rich lands and Russia's acce

rumble.com

Edit: fixed the video link