Russia's behavior in these crazy times

Imagine how good that NATO is that it bombed Serbia for 78 days. We also got uranium and the destroyed economy and infrastructure from them. They took Kosovo from us. It is unfortunate that it is not seen that the West is using the Ukrainians against the Russians for their interests, it was the same with us, divide and rule. The point here is to prevent a global war, if it had not happened, the timeline we are in now would have become unbearable and very, very dangerous for the survival of humanity. The cleansing of the Earth is slowly starting, more earthly and cosmic changes are awaited ...


Zmislte kako je taj NATO dobar da je Srbiju bombardovao 78 dana. Od njih smo dobili i uranijum i uništenu ekonomiju i infrastrukturu. Uzeli su nam Kosovo. Žalosno je da se ne vidi da Ukrajince zapad koristi protiv Rusa za njihove interese, tako je bilo i kod nas, zavadi pa vladaj. Ovde je u pitanju da se spreči globalni rat, da nije došlo do ovaga vremenska linija u kojoj se sada nalazimo postala bi nepodnošljiva i vrlo, vrlo opasna za opstanak čovečanstva. Polako kreće čišćenje Zemlje, čekaju se još zemaljske i kosmičke promene...
 
Well, all I can say is that if a person is so far out of synch with the information provided on this forum, with the inspiration informing that perspective, (i.e. Cassiopaean Experiment), when all of that is freely available, then that person is either living in a cave or is here deliberately to waste time and energy.

Sorry, I'm not buying the disingenuous BS.
 
GreyCat said:
So, is it just me, or it is also obvious to everyone else that Putin has lost his compass?

You simply cannot do what he did, cause a war, kill people, and to be in the right.

Also, postering and threatening other countries, I wouldnt shed a tear if NATO was to obliterate him into dust.

Now, to be clear, I dont like too much either NATO or Russia, to me they both are pretty much the same, but, this Russian behaviour reeks of insanity. Who are they to think they have the right to kill other people?

It seems to me at least, that these days Russia poses a much greater threat to world security then NATO does.

Thoughts?
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Move over to the UK as many of the population have the same opinion. Programming complete!
 
GreyCat said:
So, is it just me, or it is also obvious to everyone else that Putin has lost his compass?

You simply cannot do what he did, cause a war, kill people, and to be in the right.

Also, postering and threatening other countries, I wouldnt shed a tear if NATO was to obliterate him into dust.

Now, to be clear, I dont like too much either NATO or Russia, to me they both are pretty much the same, but, this Russian behaviour reeks of insanity. Who are they to think they have the right to kill other people?

It seems to me at least, that these days Russia poses a much greater threat to world security then NATO does.

Thoughts?
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How did Putin cause a war? It was Ukraine and Zelensky who didn't abide by the Minsk agreement. It is the neonazis who kept bombing Donbass and Lugansk, killing citizens, men women and children, on purpose. Shooting them, running them over with their vehicles, etc. It is Zelensky who wanted to have nukes in Ukraine.

Donbass, and Lugansk asked again for Russia to recognize their republics as independent of Ukraine and after seeing how no amount of asking for diplomacy and asking in for Ukraine to act according to the Minsk agreement was going to happen, it was agreed in Russia that this is what needed to be done.

Donbass and Lugansk then asked for Russia to help with the military and neonazis who were killing innocent people in these Republics. Putin agreed to do this.

If the US and NATO had not been encouraging Ukraine to keep on shelling the two Republics, if they had been encouraged to abide by the Minsk agreements as had been agreed upon in the beginning, this would not have had to happen.

So I guess you could say the the US/NATO started this war.

And, who are the Ukraines to think that they can torture and kill innocent people; even their own Ukrainians who do not comply with their fascist ways? Hhhhmmmmm?
 
Some people say Putin has lost his compass. My take is that it was a conscious move timed very well. Killing people? I think that belongs to NATO and allies. Let us not forget the distribution of weapons to the population in the condition where there was not general mobilization. That is a page from the CIA playbook, that was used in 1989 in Romania.
So, if you try to understand what is what, just read the history after 2018. Among the facts related to the current conflict, you will see how much land Ukraine grabbed from Romania and subsequent Moldova, which culminated with the Snakes Island in the Black Sea which was claimed and 'given' to Ukraine via the 'legal' system quite recently. NATO must have been pleased with Romania.

Yeah....
 
I understand someone would like to discuss or maybe even debate a little of information, and right so due that currently everyone is pointing and saying that Putin is the evil of the planet.
But the way GreyCat started the thread was already in a defensive attitude accusing (Putin) before even have the time and take a look to all the information there is, more specially here on the forum. It’s kind of difficult to have the idea of someone joining this forum, with all the C sessions/research/data we share and still have a wrong idea fixed on his brain, so what’s the purpose of joining a group/forum if you want to disregard all information presented about a subject and open a thread basically saying the same thing that the MSN says? Indeed, he is in the wrong place if that’s the cases
 
Ina said:
Some people say Putin has lost his compass. My take is that it was a conscious move timed very well. Killing people? I think that belongs to NATO and allies. Let us not forget the distribution of weapons to the population in the condition where there was not general mobilization. That is a page from the CIA playbook, that was used in 1989 in Romania.
So, if you try to understand what is what, just read the history after 2018. Among the facts related to the current conflict, you will see how much land Ukraine grabbed from Romania and subsequent Moldova, which culminated with the Snakes Island in the Black Sea which was claimed and 'given' to Ukraine via the 'legal' system quite recently. NATO must have been pleased with Romania.

Yeah....
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Let me suggest that there is a common pattern at play here. One which is very human and transcends national boundaries and nationalistic views.

The pattern relates to what happens to a nation when it goes through a social upheaval and essentially dissolves into pieces (different smaller factional nation states). The collapse of Yugoslavia back in the early 90s is a poster child example of what takes place as a collapsing nation unwinds.

Yugoslavia was held together for decades, even with rampant ethnic tensions, at the hands of a Soviet supported Autocrat. When it finally unwound and collapsed, what happened? Ethnic civil wars, and "ethic cleansing" (genocide). When you keep ethnic tensions pent up for decades in a jar and don't allow them to express themselves, when you remove the jar, you get civil war because all those tensions suddenly unwind. And sadly there are always nations and arms dealers ready to catalyze the mayhem and genocide to allow it to inflict maximum harm and chaos.

So, taking this understanding, and applying it to the deconstruction of the 800 lb gorilla called the Soviet Union in the 90s, and all the suppressed ethnic tensions (it was a very ethnically diverse Soviet) sure enough, different break away Socialist provinces all went their own way initially, with some squabbling for control over each other to some degree though pretty well muted to be honest. And it worked fairly well for a while. But as soon as Russia became more in line with old Soviet power expressions, rather than the budding democracy it experienced at first, old tensions between former Soviet provinces began to fester and boil over. First it was Chechens, then Georgians, then Ukraine, and now Ukraine again. The Soviet being a much bigger system to rebalance, it is of course a more volatile set of events unwinding than even in the post Yugolav civil wars.

What I am saying is that much of what we are seeing right now is the continued unwinding of many decades of Soviet suppression of different ethnic groups in the name of the forward progress of the Soviet. As painful as it is to see this unwinding over the last 20 years inside the old Soviet boundaries, it is actually necessary in order to return to some state of balance in the respective societies. And given that Putin has largely continued to tamp down ethnic and social tensions, when the day comes and he steps down or moves on, it may be a very volatile trigger point for nations of the old Soviet Union. /fingers crossed they don't go full nutty when it does happen.

Honestly, the United States suffered the same thing with our own civil war over 160 year ago, and in some ways we are still struggling with it today.
 
SevenFeathers said:
I don't believe anything my government (US) says, which makes me prone to believe that Putin is a good guy. He may be. Or not. But as James Corbett says in his latest post, there are more than two sides to the story. The Ukraine Crisis: What You Need to Know
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Agreed. Since about 2010-2011, I've been doing my own personal litmus test of the US gov/media stance/popular opinion, namely, whatever opinion/agenda/story is pushed forward, I begin my search for truth on the 180° of what is promoted. 9 times out of 10, that opposite stance has proven to be the correct one, and the other 1 instance may require a little more digging or is a half-truth, but is still closer to the truth than what the US wants the world to believe.

In this case, it's still to early to tell with total certainty, which is why I try not to speak in absolutes, but I'd wager my last dime on taking the opposite stance. So "Putin is Evil" doesn't necessarily mean "Putin is a Saint," but it definitely means that Putin is NOT evil. I know who the evil ones are.

What boggles my mind is that just because Putin may not have the record of a saint (newsflash nobody on this planet does), people out of ignorance lash out that he is the devil incarnate, when the REAL devils incarnate are sitting in the US and western governments, and yet, despite the very in your face and obvious track record of the US, people just refuse to even look at it.

What did China say, that US has started 80% of wars the last 30 years? So 80% evil and 20% "good" means that people will overlook it, but Putin may have 20% "evil" but 80% good, however he's Hitler.

SMFH 😑

(By the way I'm just using those percentages as an example, not that they are true or false in any regard. And I know this is a very binary take on things, and all things are really shades of grey, but it's still my on the surface perception of how the world reacts to things)
 
The Purple Grape said:
The pattern relates to what happens to a nation when it goes through a social upheaval and essentially dissolves into pieces (different smaller factional nation states). The collapse of Yugoslavia back in the early 90s is a poster child example of what takes place as a collapsing nation unwinds.

Yugoslavia was held together for decades, even with rampant ethnic tensions, at the hands of a Soviet supported Autocrat. When it finally unwound and collapsed, what happened? Ethnic civil wars, and "ethic cleansing" (genocide). When you keep ethnic tensions pent up for decades in a jar and don't allow them to express themselves, when you remove the jar, you get civil war because all those tensions suddenly unwind. And sadly there are always nations and arms dealers ready to catalyze the mayhem and genocide to allow it to inflict maximum harm and chaos.
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I get the impression that you think Yugoslavia had to disintegrate. Perhaps.

However there is enough information in Public Space to show that Yugoslavia was pushed to disintegration. Pushed by the Empire of Lies. Lead roles were played by Germany, US and the British in helping this to happen.


 
Bojan71 said:
Imagine how good that NATO is that it bombed Serbia for 78 days. We also got uranium and the destroyed economy and infrastructure from them. They took Kosovo from us. It is unfortunate that it is not seen that the West is using the Ukrainians against the Russians for their interests, it was the same with us, divide and rule. The point here is to prevent a global war, if it had not happened, the timeline we are in now would have become unbearable and very, very dangerous for the survival of humanity. The cleansing of the Earth is slowly starting, more earthly and cosmic changes are awaited ...


Zmislte kako je taj NATO dobar da je Srbiju bombardovao 78 dana. Od njih smo dobili i uranijum i uništenu ekonomiju i infrastrukturu. Uzeli su nam Kosovo. Žalosno je da se ne vidi da Ukrajince zapad koristi protiv Rusa za njihove interese, tako je bilo i kod nas, zavadi pa vladaj. Ovde je u pitanju da se spreči globalni rat, da nije došlo do ovaga vremenska linija u kojoj se sada nalazimo postala bi nepodnošljiva i vrlo, vrlo opasna za opstanak čovečanstva. Polako kreće čišćenje Zemlje, čekaju se još zemaljske i kosmičke promene...
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Кустурица не стал молчать о планах США в Донбассе: "Они бы сделали то же самое, что в Югославии"

Режиссер Эмир Кустурица выразил надежду, что решение России признать независимость ДНР и ЛНР поможет установить мир в этом регионе. Об этом он рассказал в... РИА Новости, 23.02.2022
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23.02.2022

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Kusturica said that without Russia, the DNR and LNR would face the fate of Yugoslavia

Film director Emir Kusturica expressed his hope that Russia's decision to recognize the independence of the DNR and LNR would help establish peace in the region. He spoke about this in an interview with Izvestia.

According to Kusturica [...] Russia's non-intervention in the situation in the Donbass could lead to dangerous consequences.

"What the Americans did in Croatia - genocide, extermination of people - could happen to the Donbass. They drove thousands of Serbs out of Croatia. If you [the Russians] hadn't done what you did yesterday, the Ukrainian soldiers, the Americans, the British would have done the same thing they did in Yugoslavia," he said.
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Hey Greycat. IMO the best thing to do is catch up on the Empire vs Russia thread as has been recommended.

Also, see this thread: Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia
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I've literally spent the last 2 weeks reading the thread from the beginning in 2014 to better understand where we are now. I do wish that people would slow down because I'm only at page 294 and every time I look there are more and more pages, just when I think I'm catching up :lol:. Things are moving fast now and I'm kicking myself for having not taken the time to read it properly in the past.

I had let myself believe that I wasn't interested in the geopolitics thread so never got up to speed until recently. I veered towards the things I know I can grasp like health. Now I realise that it was more a program I was running that was preventing me from learning and now that I am all read up I can tell you that geopolitics is not only super interesting but it has been very important to my own learning and development and the information is relevant to many of the other threads.

I'm not saying that you are the same but I really recommend taking the time to read it if you haven't since we are all here to learn and the thread really is not only a wealth of information but for me has been a good way to break a belief system.
 
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