Scandinavian observations and perspectives

The Norwegian media Steigan carried this article, which has focus on Norway, but similar agreements have been made with the other Nordic countries. There were many lines to highlight!

The northern front against Russia



See also this article on SOTT.net NATO plans Europe-wide escalation of war against Russia

For the moment the bases are directed against Russia, but why not direct them against Central Europe in case EU citizens decide that enough is enough, or use the bases in the Nordic countries to overthrow the Nordic Governments? Given how faithful the US is, what could prevent such a scenario? Alternatively, the agreements could signal that this has now happened. The current situation in the Nordic countries is somewhat parallel to the relationship between Denmark and Germany during WWII, though there is much less understanding of what is going on.

The Wiki about Denmark during WWII has:
ridiculous. why even more us bases in europe. they abandoned kiruna, now they want to mess up karelia. why does the eu not have bases in canada to threaten the usa??
 
This post has a two articles translated from Danish that show, once again, what the situation is in the public media sphere when it comes to Ukraine. On the whole, it is very far from considering an end to the war, very far. Opposition exists but it is limited.

Below there is an article where Anders Fogh Rasmussen has had an opportunity to have his views reported
This is followed by an article from the same state media about the peace meeting in Switzerland, where I contrast their use of words with what they mean.
Last, there is a perspective and comment on the Swiss meeting about Ukraine from a Danish businessman, and former prisoner.

The first is from DR, and here it can be helpful to know:
DR (pronounced [ˈte̝ˀˌɛɐ̯]), officially the Danish Broadcasting Corporation in English,[1] is a Danish public-service radio and television broadcasting company.[2] Founded in 1925 as a public-service organization, it is Denmark's oldest and largest electronic media enterprise. DR is a founding member of the European Broadcasting Union.

DR was originally funded by a media licence, however since 2022, the media license has been replaced by an addition to the Danish income tax.

The main person in the following article is Anders Fogh Rasmussen (AFR), former PM, (Iraq war pusher) and NATO Secretary General, who is now an advisor to Vladimir Zelensky. The event was an annually held public meeting on the Island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea (Area for the Nord Stream Sabotage), where speeches and debates about politics and public issues are held.

The Danish media can still present as news, whether Ukraine should be allowed to strike targets in Russia. And while AFR is honest enough to say the West is part of the war, the expert from the defense academy claims that it is not, but that it will happen if, as AFR suggests, weapons are fired from outside Ukraine. The article and the points discussed show that the media can get away with keeping the population in the dark. It also shows that if Zelensky is off, he has at least one advisor who can "help" him.

Anders Fogh wants to shoot down Russian missiles from NATO territory. Expert calls that plan 'pretty crazy'
You will have to put hard against hard if Putin is to be defeated, believes Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
By Laura Kirkebæk-Johansson

If Ukraine is to succeed in pushing back the Russian troops, they will need far more weapons and more help from the West.

This is the opinion of former Prime Minister and former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who through his company Rasmussen Global is today an adviser to the Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky.

- I have met Putin many times and concluded that there is only one thing he respects, and that is power and strength, says Anders Fogh Rasmussen to P1 Morgen, which today broadcast live from the Folkemødet (People's Meeting) on Bornholm.

- And that's why we have to show it. We must show strength.

Defense systems in NATO countries
If it were up to Anders Fogh Rasmussen, then all restrictions on the long-range weapons that Ukraine's allies donate to the country should be removed. He also believes that we should remove restrictions on where they can use those weapons.
There is virtually nothing I care less about than how Putin thinks about it.
ANDERS FOGH RASMUSSEN, FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF DENMARK AND NATO SECRETARY GENERAL
- Of course they are also welcome to use them against the Russians on Russian territory if necessary to defend Ukraine, he says.

One of the conditions for the Ukrainians to have received weapons from the West has been that they were not used for attacks in Russia. However, several countries have started to change their attitude towards this.

Fogh has aired that idea before. But now he goes a step further and suggests that Nato also directly help Ukraine shoot down Russian missiles and drones.

- We can do that by giving them Patriot missile defense systems and placing them in Ukraine, he says.

- But we can also do it by setting up defense systems on NATO territory along Ukraine's borders that can help the Ukrainians shoot down Russian missiles and drones.

Could start World War III
For a long time, Ukraine has been asking for more weapons and more ammunition. (Photo: © ALINA SMUTKO, Ritzau Scanpix)
However, Peter Viggo Jakobsen, associate professor at the Defense Academy, calls it 'pretty crazy'.

- One is that Poland puts planes on the wings or sets up systems that can shoot down things that fire into Poland's airspace, he says.

- It is quite another thing to set up systems that stand and fire from NATO territory into Ukraine or Russia. I think that's pretty crazy.

If you start firing into Russia from NATO territory, it opens the door for Russia to also fire back into NATO, says Peter Viggo Jakobsen.

- And then you potentially have the trouble of the third world war, so of course we shouldn't start on that.

According to Peter Viggo Jakobsen, it is the Americans in particular who have placed restrictions on what the Ukrainians can do inside Russia. 'It has to do with the fact that the USA is afraid that the Russians will then start firing into NATO territory', he says. (Photo: © Søren Bidstrup, Ritzau Scanpix)

Part of the war?
Back at the Folkemødet, however, Anders Fogh Rasmussen does not believe that his plan risks escalating the war further.

Aren't you afraid that we will get too involved, that it will develop?

- No, and I always thought that discussion was strange. Because of course we are a party to that conflict, and we are according to international law, he says.

He refers to the fact that, according to Article 51 of the UN Charter, Ukraine is allowed to defend itself against the Russian attack.

- In addition, the Ukrainian government is allowed to ask all its allies to help it with that defense. And that's exactly what we do.

- So in that way we are party to the war. After all, we support Ukraine. So there is nothing I care less about than how Putin thinks about it.
Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
Source UN

Politician talk
Peter Viggo Jakobsen calls it 'politician talk' when Anders Fogh says that Nato is already a party to the war.

- If the Russians start attacking us directly, or we put our own uniformed soldiers or planes with Danish, German or American flags on their wings in Ukraine, then we are a party to the war. Because then we are in direct war with Russia, he says.

- But the Americans' and also my point of departure is that we should not go to direct war with Russia, because Russia has nuclear weapons.
'It's about us standing firm. We who live in freedom and democracy must fight for it', says Anders Fogh Rasmussen. (Photo: © ALINA SMUTKO, Ritzau Scanpix)

Instead, the leaders of the West must try to help Ukraine win the war without the war spreading, believes Peter Viggo Jakobsen.

- That is what the political challenge is, and that is where a balanced policy is required.

However, the lecturer agrees with Anders Fogh Rasmussen to the extent that more military support and ammunition must be delivered to the Ukrainians, so that they will be able to shoot as much as the Russians do.

Will drag on for years

Something else the two gentlemen agree on is that the war probably won't stop anytime soon.

Can it not be concluded around a negotiating table?

- Yes, in the end it must be concluded around a negotiating table, but we are not there at all yet, says Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

When you advise Zelenskyi, don't you also advise him to negotiate?

- No, I certainly don't, because in the end it is the Ukrainians themselves, and only they, who can decide when the time is right.
The message is that the Danes have to keep funding the war in Ukraine for many years to come. And if they believe what AFR says: 'It's about us standing firm. We who live in freedom and democracy must fight for it' they should be prepared to show up at the front in large numbers, but do they realize it?

When AFR above says:
"In addition, the Ukrainian government is allowed to ask all its allies to help it with that defense" this may refer to the new bilateral agreements made between the Ukraine government and many Western countries. A possible scenario is that the West may hope to get involved more officially in Ukraine, similar to what Russia did in Syria.

As another example of DK news reporting, there is, if translated:
Putin's peace demands are stabbed down at the international peace conference
In Switzerland, the Russian president's proposal is called propaganda and a dictatorial peace.
Heads of state and government from virtually all over the world are in Switzerland to try to find a way to peace in Ukraine.
From virtually all over the world, means what? From an article published in Switzerland, there was:
Final guest list published for Swiss summit on peace in Ukraine
A total of 92 countries, including almost 60 heads of state and government, will be taking part in the Summit on Peace in Ukraine at the Bürgenstock resort in central Switzerland this weekend.
This content was published on June 15, 2024 - 10:30
4 minutes

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has now been confirmed. Saudi Arabia will be sending its head of diplomacy.

The list published on Friday by the foreign ministry includes almost 50 Western countries. In all, 56 heads of state and government, plus US Vice-President Kamala Harris, will be welcomed by Defence Minister Viola Amherd, who holds the rotating Swiss presidency this year, and Foreign Minister Ignazio Cassis.

As recently as Thursday, sources close to the matter were saying that the British delegation would be led by Foreign Secretary David Cameron. Now, Sunak, who is facing difficulties just a few weeks before elections in his country, has been announced.

The attitude of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa), close to Moscow, was the most eagerly awaited. Brazil will be an observer, as expected, as will the Holy See. India has decided to send a senior official from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Pavan Kapoor, until recently ambassador to Russia.

Saudi Arabia will be sending its Foreign Minister Faisal bin Fahrad al-Saud. South Africa prefers to send an emissary, while China is unsurprisingly absent, as it had hinted.

The participation of the BRICS will be similar to that seen in January at the time of the last major preparatory meeting in the Swiss resort of Davos, which was then held at the level of national security advisers.
[...]
A voice of dissent
One Danish high life business entrepreneur who spent five years in prison for repeated cases of fraud and other mispractices wrote an FB post that the current meeting in Switzerland has no meaning if Russia is not taken into consideration.
Translating the wordy post there was:
This weekend's major conference on the war in Ukraine:
90 countries are meeting to discuss a possible peace plan for Ukraine these days. In the run-up to the meeting, Putin has reiterated his position that the peace agreement that was negotiated in Istanbul in the first months of the war should still be implemented. It was based on the fact that the Russians had their territorial claims in eastern Ukraine fulfilled (4 regions), continued control of Crimea and that Ukraine must not be a member of NATO.

The Prussian General von Clausewitz (who was a general in the Russian army first) is known for his dictum 'That war is the natural continuation of politics by other means'. I think we should turn it on its head and insist that the time has come to: 'Politics is the natural continuation of war, but with better means'.

Nation-states have always waged war on the basis of territorial claims, and wars usually end in peace agreements, and only rarely by defeating one party and dissolving the defeated state structure.

In the case of Ukraine, I am afraid that this risk is greater for Ukraine (and thus for us), so there is a significant risk in not ending the conflicts. I am also afraid that the Ukrainian state leadership will not of its own accord return to the peace agreement that was made, without the 'West' withdrawing its opposition to that agreement (it was Boris Johnson who, on behalf of the Americans, said no to the final accession).

On the other hand, we work a bit blindly, I think. If we are to end up with a peace agreement, it requires a political attitude to the other party's demands. And here it is crucial that we stand on slightly safer ground than what Putin claims.

I also think that we in Denmark have been drawn much further into this conflict than what serves our national security interest. We must create a situation where the conversation goes from war, death, destruction and rearmament, to peace, reconstruction, saving human lives and a different focus in our national everyday life at home. Enough is enough.

In order to create an informed basis for this policy change, and for the purpose of enlightening us in the population who must be involved in all this with money, insecurity and weakened opportunities for the young people, it is my proposal that a politically independent 'committee of inquiry' be set up immediately - and quickly - composed of historians and former diplomats and - possibly - former foreign ministers or former prime ministers in this country - with one well-defined mission: To illustrate the historical background for - and the legality of - the territorial claims that Russia feels entitled to assert. In other words, a work that precedes the Churchill-Stalin agreements - and the division of Europe after World War II. The 17th, 18th and 19th centuries have been reminiscing about the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries' countless territorial adjustments from the Thirty Years' War, the 7 Years' War, the Napoleonic Wars, 1848 (the revolutionary spring) and - especially - the Treaty of Versailles after World War I. World war.

If we in Denmark are to conduct foreign policy, it must be on an informed basis. And the population has the right to understand the other party's demand for a peace agreement, which if we in Denmark choose to continue the war with the aim of regaining control of the already lost ground, then must strengthen our understanding of financing - and political support - this ongoing war. Mette Frederiksen's words are not enough.

But the time is now, as our risk is that the Russians strengthen their position in Ukraine, and I am afraid that this will also change Putin's territorial claims at the same time.

I also believe that, as a precondition for continued aid to warfare, we must demand the lifting of the suspension imposed by the Ukrainian state leadership, which has ruled out the holding of constitutional re-elections, on the grounds of the war situation.
If I feel we should insist on this, it is because we also need to be confirmed that the Ukrainian people - those in Ukraine and those in exile - are still behind continued war, where the people are paying such a heavy price for maintaining control of parts of the borders that originated from the secession from the USSR era.

It would probably be appropriate if we in the public and in political Denmark have a clarified position on this as soon as possible, and before a possible change of president in the United States and France.
The post has more than 90 likes, but as far as I know, there is not a single member of parliament who would dare officially to agree even partially. For that, he would have to move to Germany and find BSW, or AfD, which incidentally might have been his inspiration.
 
A reflection on history and lessons for the collective consciousness
When I 15 years ago came back to Denmark after a long absence, I soon realized the world I left no longer existed, and that the best was to begin from scratch and take it as moving into a new and unknown country. I went through piles of old newspapers and made clipping collections about what the citizens thought about themselves and their world. In the process, also through discussions with people, I discovered a few revelations about history, one about shadows from a war in the 19th century, that maybe for some faded away or was largely ignored, but not before it had left a small impression on the collective self-perception. For some, this debate and others served as an invitation to discover a wider world.

Moving forward, the reality now is that there are a majority of people who vote for politicians who implement destructive, even in the long term, self-destructive policies. However, what Ukraine and COVID have brought out, is that across regional borders, social, and political differences, there are also others, who have changed their self-perception, their view on the nation they are born into, and the world they live in. Those who signed fully up for COVID and Ukraine also learned something, there is room for all in the cosmic school.

Writing about groups, and what is learned, there is this excerpt from an early session:

There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.
Session 16 November 1994
Q: (L) Are you saying that there are human beings being created on that planet at this current time...

A: Yes, you are. Your race is forming there.

Q: (L) How?

A: Realm crossing understand?

Q: (L) Are you saying that there are 4th density bodies being formed there...

A: No. 3rd.

Q: (L) There are 3rd density bodies... are we going to leave the bodies we are in and go into other bodies?

A: You are drifting... Think carefully. Realm is derivative of reality. Cycle.

Q: (L) So the human race is being formed on this other planet at the present time...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And at the time of the realm border crossing, this other planet will then become cindered... burned up...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where will the human beings go that are being formed on that planet at the time of the realm border crossing?

A: Ancient earth.

Q: (L) They will go to ancient earth?

A: There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.

Q: (L) So at the closing of this grand cycle everything will just start all over again?

A: Not exactly; you see, there is no start.

Q: (L) Are a lot of souls on the earth going to recycle into these new bodies coming onto the earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) As ancient mankind?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And do the whole thing all over again?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, a lot of people are going back to square one?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is this punishment.

A: No. Nature.


Q: (L) Are some of the souls, at that point, going to move into a higher density level?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could you give us a percentage on this?

A: No. Open at this point.

Q: (L) Now, getting back to the planet, if at some point in the cycle, bodies were generated on this planet and brought to earth, who brought them?

A: Realm crossing.


Q: (L) It was not a who, it was a what, is that correct?

A: All is who and what.

Q: (L) Well, the other night you mentioned something about the Transient Passengers hauling these bodies off that planet and bringing them to earth, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, are these Transient Passengers Realms?

A: Yes. So are you.

Q: (L) Do you guys know what you are doing to the linear mind here?

A: Can of worms.
The above quote almost incinerated the concept of Scandinavia, or is it rather that the Wave will wash it away, an ice age burry it? From one perspective, does it matter?

There are no countries, only souls.
Session 25 January 1997
Q: (Laura) All right, clarify! (Terry R) We're buying them to keep other countries from buying them! (Laura) Is that it? (Terry R) It's political. (Laura) We're buying them to keep other countries from buying them? (Terry R) If we don't...
A: More like "they are being bought to make sure that they are not not bought."
Q: (Terry) All these Russians are now out of work, and they don't want them going to China, they don't want them going to who knows where...
A: No, Terry. There are no countries, only souls.
Q: (Laura) OK. I get it. They are being bought to make sure that they are bought so that they won't think or do anything on their own, or individually. In other words... (Jan) They are being shut up...
A: That is the goal, though not always realized.
Maybe some of the military activity and preparations from NATO-US on the Peninsula is also a move on the 'Scandinavian soul stock exchange', in the sense that "they are being bought to make sure they are not not bought" and to prevent them from beginning to 'think or do anything on their own, or individually.' not because it is feared that they will cooperate closely with Russia, but with STO. Assuming there are such souls, if any of these are asking for help in their hearts from people with aims as ours, could I in my silence whisper back: May you be safe!? What else to do?
 
"Traitor to the People"
Sweden, 20 June 2024

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In an article of the alternative media "Fria Tider" (Free times), following was written. Please note following:

1) this agreement has nothing to do with NATO - because it is a separate deal between Sweden and the US Military and

2) it is not a bi-lateral agreement ! The content of what was signed in the DCA agreement is equal to a post-war capitulation agreement for Sweden. I mean... think about what just been finalized at the Swedish Parliament; right before the big Midsummer Holiday (how convenient)...



"Traitors to the people": The rage against Moderate Party after the DCA vote
Published June 20, 2024 at 07:48

The Moderates are facing a storm of criticism on social media after the Riksdag voted through the DCA agreement, which according to critics means that the US is allowed to occupy Sweden.

The military occupation of Sweden by a foreign power - has not happened since the time of (King) Gustav Vasa (reign 1523-60) when modern Sweden was formed.

According to a recent poll, no less than 84% say no to foreign powers being allowed to place military and war materiel on Swedish military bases without Swedish oversight.

Despite this, an overwhelming majority of the Riksdag voted on Tuesday to approve the DCA agreement, which gives the US military the exclusive right to dispose of military areas at 17 Swedish military bases, where Swedish authorities waive their right to oversight. In practice, this means that these areas become part of US territory. The agreement also contains no guarantees against the US placing nuclear weapons on Swedish soil in peacetime without Swedish consent.

Only 37 MEPs voted against the agreement - those present from the Left Party and the Green Party, as well as political savages Elsa Widding (formerly SD) and Jamal El-Haj (formerly S).

The Moderates are now bragging on social media that the proposal passed in Parliament. "An important step for Swedish security," the party writes.

On X, the post has received hundreds of posts, a very large proportion of which contain the word "traitor" or "traitor to the people".

"I never thought, as an old right-wing conservative, that I would agree with MP and V. I knew that the Moderates have betrayed their party and their country since old man Reinfeldt's evil destructive time in power, but ... unfortunately it has only gotten worse and worse," writes one person.

Others note that the proposal went through without any public debate - "just like a banana republic", and that politicians have now literally given Sweden away to the US.

"We will always remember the day you sold out Sweden's sovereignty to the most corrupt and war-mongering country in history... and we hate you for it!" writes one user.


END OF ARTICLE




Sweden becomes a 'corridor' for the US in World War III
Published June 22, 2024 at 17.52

If World War III breaks out, Norway, Sweden and Finland will be used as a "corridor" by the United States. The decision was presented at a NATO meeting on June 19-20 in Bodø, Norway, writes TT/NTB.

- "We can work together to defend each other in a completely different way now that we are all in NATO," said Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre at a press conference.

The aim of the corridor is to quickly move military personnel and equipment from Norwegian ports to the Eastern Front during the war.

During the meeting in Bodø, Gahr Støre, Finnish President Alexander Stubb and Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson had the opportunity to play war, ride a rib boat and board the Norwegian Coast Guard vessel KV Svalbard.

The respective defense ministers of Norway, Sweden and Finland have also attended the two-day defense meeting, TT writes.

END OF
SECOND ARTICLE



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Is This What Everybody Wants ?
(AI altered photo near ST:Eriksplan, Stockholm City)
 
The resignation of the Swedish FM Tobias Billstrom and some unanswered questions about Swedish instructors in Ukraine.
There are rumors that Swedish instructors were hit in a strike on a training facility in Poltava in Ukraine. So far there is no established links, and it has not been officially confirmed from Sweden that any Swedes died or were wounded. Below are some facts, and some speculations. Perhaps a Swedish reader will be able to add more data, if not now then later if more information comes out locally.

On SOTT, there was

Poltava curse? Swedish foreign minister unexpectedly resigns

Tobias Billstrom, who oversaw Sweden's accession to NATO, has announced his resignation as foreign minister and retirement from politics, offering no reason for the move.

Billstrom, 50, was first elected to the Swedish parliament in 2002 and was appointed foreign minister in 2022.

In a post on X on Wednesday, Billstrom said he informed Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson of his departure "with a mixture of sadness and pride."

"I will now completely leave politics," Billstrom wrote. "This means that I am also leaving my seat in the Riksdag. What I will do next is still open," he added, noting he was "only 50 years old" and could make his mark "in other contexts."

As his biggest achievement over the past two years, Billstrom listed Sweden's abandonment of its 200-year neutrality to join NATO "after a long and sometimes challenging process."
[...]
The Swedish FM resigned a day after the Poltava strike:
4 Sep, 2024 09:45

Russia provides details of strike on Ukrainian military training center

Foreign instructors were carrying out instruction in electronic warfare and the use of drones in Poltava, the MOD says

Moscow’s forces have carried out a high-precision strike on a Ukrainian training center in the city of Poltava, the Russian Defense Ministry confirmed on Wednesday. The facility was housing a number of foreign instructors who were training Kiev’s troops in communication, electronic warfare, and drone operation, according to Moscow.

The strike was initially reported by Ukrainian officials, who stated on Tuesday that two Russian Iskander ballistic missiles had hit the School of Military Communication and Information Technology, resulting in the nearly 300 casualties, including nearly 50 killed.

While the Russian Defense Ministry did not initially comment on the attack, it confirmed the strike in an update on Telegram on Wednesday. It said Russian forces had conducted “a high-precision strike on the 179th Joint Training Center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the city of Poltava” on September 3.

The ministry added that foreign instructors had been preparing specialists in communications and electronic warfare at the facility, as well as operators of unmanned aerial vehicles participating in strikes on civilian targets on the territory of the Russian Federation.
EU member claims bloc divided over military instructors for Ukraine
Previously, Kherson Region Governor Vladimir Saldo had also claimed in an interview with RIA Novosti that the training center had effectively served as a base for NATO instructors, and was being used to train newly mobilized Ukrainians who had recently been “caught on the streets.”

Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has used the attack on the center to demand more air-defense systems from his Western backers.
Meanwhile, the New York Times has claimed that the strike was a “demoralizing blow to Ukraine,” given how Kiev’s troops were already retreating from relentless Russian advances along the main front in Donbass.
Tobias Billstrom wrote on his X profile that he resigned "with a mixture of sadness and pride." What sadness could there possibly be? Because he like his job? See his Tweet here, though he claims: "It has not been an easy decision but something that I have thought about and processed for some time." Whatever the reasons, leaving politics means probably that he will have fewer questions to answer.

Was Sweden linked in with NATO long before it became official?
One comment was if translated: from Swedish:
"We have now left over 200 years of freedom of alliance and it would not have been possible without the hard work put in by the government as well as by the officials at the Foreign Ministry and elsewhere in the government office"

Did they forget to inform you that Sweden was the 16th member and co-founded NATO in 1947, and that the government signed bilateral military agreements with the US, UK, Denmark and Norway back in 1949, but chose to keep it quiet for the population that was not considered be able to handle this, besides, Sweden never signed the neutrality agreements like Switzerland, so it has been a scam all the way through and now the body bags are on their way back from Poltava.. and you slip out through the back door, not a mistake...
In Swedish the text is:
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I don't know of the sources for the claims in the response which are two.
1) Sweden was the 16th member and signed bilateral military agreements with the US, UK, Denmark, and Norway.
2) Some Swedish citizens passed away as a result of the Poltava strike.

One option is that the claim about the loss of life is entirely false, That is there were no Swedes, neither military nor civilian in Poltava in the area of the missile strike. A statement from the Swedish Armed Forces said that none of their personnel was killed in the strike which of course does not rule out that some were wounded or that they were on an international mission which requires secrecy. If so the pattern from other NATO forces is that they would be elite soldiers. The Swedish Armed Forces have a number of these, see this Wiki under Sweden where they are called "Jägare"

If there were Swedish "civilians" in Poltave, it could be that the Swedish Government would say something, but after NATO, Nordstream sabotage, and Ukranie adventures more issues are probably kept under wraps for the peace of mind of international partners. What we are left with are leaks and rumors. Here are some:

From X. com there was:
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But his word is no proof. Rumors could be spread they were Swedish to cover a reality that was a closer fit for someone from the US, UK, France, Poland, or Germany.

Someone made a post about flights from an airport in southeastern Poland:. Again speculations, but a screenshot of the posts, here and here shows:
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About the airport:

Rzeszów–Jasionka Airport

During the 2022 Russia-Ukraine war, the airport has been used as a trans-shipment hub for Ukraine's civil, NGO and government supporters to resupply Ukraine and its people with medical aid, weapons and supplies.[6] Weapons and medical supplies are flown to the airport and then driven across the Polish-Ukrainian border in trucks. On 9 March 2022, the United States deployed two MIM-104 Patriot surface-to-air missile systems to the airport in what it called a "precautionary defensive move."[7]

The next rumor on X.com is probably with exaggeration, but might still reveal some of the background, although the FM claims to have thought about it for some time:
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Assuming that some were Swedes, the TG channel Slavyangrad wrote

Analysis of the missile strike on the Poltava training center: consequences and conclusions


The missile strike on the communications forces' training center in Poltava was a significant event not only in the context of current military operations, but also in the light of international defense cooperation. In addition to significant losses among AFU servicemen, the strike destroyed several foreign instructors from Sweden, which opens new aspects.

🔻 The attack on the training center in Poltava was aimed at destroying infrastructure and neutralizing trained personnel. However, this case became particularly notable not only because of the huge losses among enemy personnel, but also because of the presence of foreign instructors, particularly Swedish specialists who were supposed to train Ukrainian personnel to operate the latest ASC 890 airborne radar systems.

Sweden, which had planned the delivery of these aircraft and related training, faced the unexpected loss of its instructors, which emphasizes the high risks and uncertainties associated with international military cooperation for Ukraine.

🔻 What are the possible consequences?

▪️ Given that Sweden had been planning to deliver state-of-the-art airborne radar aircraft, the destruction of the instructors will hamper the training of Ukrainian personnel and delay the integration of the new equipment.

▪️ The death of foreign instructors will complicate diplomatic relations between Ukraine and Sweden. This event could cause a negative reaction from the Swedish government and the public, which could lead to a reconsideration of plans to supply military equipment and revise the level of support for Ukraine.

▪️ The strike on the training center may also affect the AFU's operational plans. The loss of trained specialists requires a revision of plans for training and the training of new personnel. This places an additional burden on the Ukrainian armed forces and may slow the introduction of new technologies and systems.

📌 The missile strike on the training center in Poltava demonstrated that no international cooperation is immune to surprises. Now Sweden, which had planned to supply Ukraine with the latest airborne radar planes, is forced to reconsider its ambitions, and Ukraine - as usual, fell face down in the mud. I wonder how Swedish partners will now discuss equipment deliveries taking into account the new "experience" in security and logistics.

Do any of the Swedish readers have more information or comments that can add to the case of the sudden departure from politics of the FM and the rumors that some instructors from Sweden needed first aid following a strike on the training facility in Poltava?

Before closing the post, I looked up some Tweets from the now former FM:

Responding to a Romanian FM: Responding to US Ambassador:
Congratulating the new French PM Michel Barnier: Responding to Pål Johnson, Swedish Minister of Defence who thank him for working to get Sweden into NATO: Responding to woman who calls herself President-elect of Belarus
Responding to Lithuanian FM x.com
Responding to Islandic FM x.com

There are other such Foreign Ministers in other European countries who seem uninterested in differentiating between the interests of their supposed area and those of the US Deep State. At the very least in that sense, they are alien-like.
 

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The EU is toast as an early winter comes barreling into the Northern Hemisphere.


No wonder Viktor Orbán and Geert Wilders are cheering. Olaf Scholz is helping them to reshape the EU as they want it
Germany’s border clampdown threatens the entire European project

The far right across Europe used to dream of seeing their countries leave the European Union. In France, they called for a Frexit; in Germany, it was Dexit. But recently these calls have quietened. The reason is not that far-right parties have become enamoured of the EU, but rather they now understand that instead of quitting, they can reshape the EU into a collection of “strong” nation states that will each enact their own rightwing anti-migration agenda.

As Jordan Bardella, president of the National Rally (RN) in France, recently remarked in explaining why his party no longer called for France to quit the EU: “You don’t leave the table when you are winning the game."

That the far right is being allowed to “win the game” is abundantly clear in Germany, where the governing coalition has announced systematic border controls, which will come into force on 16 September. Tighter checks at all of Germany’s nine land borders are an attempt by the government to curb immigration by preventing people, especially asylum seekers who have already crossed other EU states, from entering Germany.

This opens the way for serious human rights violations and racial profiling. Germany’s Council for Migration warns that the plan risks violating EU law.

The border checks are due to be in place for an initial six months. They were announced amid a febrile debate about what the leader of the conservative opposition Christian Democratic Union (CDU) called a “national emergency” after a Syrian asylum seeker who, under EU asylum regulations, should have been returned from Germany to Bulgaria, was charged with a fatal killing in Solingen. Since the far-right, anti-migration Alternative für Deutschland’s (AfD’s) electoral success in Thuringia and Saxony on 1 September, the debate has reached boiling point.

The German government is on a dangerous path. The country holds a central position in the EU and is its largest economy, meaning that this plan, which goes against one of the central tenets of the EU, threatens to undermine the European project.

A cornerstone of that project was the ambition to make national borders disappear by creating the passport-free Schengen area, which now includes 25 of the 27 EU member states. It was one of the reasons why the EU received the Nobel peace prize in 2012 – although even then, thousands of migrants were dying at the EU’s external borders every year. At the time, a representative of the union declared: “Over the past 60 years, the European project has shown that it is possible for peoples and nations to come together across borders. That it is possible to overcome the differences between ‘them’ and ‘us’.”

No wonder the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, has publicly criticised Germany’s unilateral plan as a systematic suspension of Schengen and a contravention of European law. Austria has also said it is not prepared to receive any migrants turned back from the border with Germany, and other countries are likely to concur.

The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, claimed on Wednesday that the government had already “achieved a great turnaround in reducing irregular migration”. But Scholz’s plan risks causing a chain reaction throughout Europe that could lead to the unravelling of the “post-national” idea itself. In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders, leader of the far-right Freedom party, which is now part of the government, has already asked: “If Germany can do it, why can’t we?”, adding: “As far as I’m concerned, the sooner the better.”


Berlin feels like an island in a swamp of neofascism – but the flood waters are rising Fatma Aydemir

Other parties on the far right are celebrating. By caving in to anti-migration sentiment, supposedly “centrist” political parties are doing the far right’s bidding and legitimising its vision of a Europe with hardening borders. It is no great surprise that Hungary’s authoritarian leader, Viktor Orbán, congratulated Scholz, tweeting: “@Bundeskanzler, welcome to the club! #StopMigration.”

German asylum statistics show that the number of asylum applications is actually decreasing this year. However, the three parties of the ruling coalition want to regain lost electoral support by joining with the far and centre right. Both the AfD and the CDU are aggressively pushing for repressive migration policies.

Police chiefs have said they may lack capacity to carry out the new border checks. But whether Germany can actually control its 3,700km of frontiers is beside the point. By seeking to pass the measures ahead of a third state election in Brandenburg on 22 September, the coalition is signalling to voters that it is prepared to act decisively to address what CDU leaders hyperbolically call a “loss of control” at Germany’s borders.

The German government’s belief that it can tackle migration and regain electoral support by ramping up border controls is misguided. The truth is, migration will continue in a world that fails to address the reasons why people flee their countries: wars and conflict, political persecution and oppression, the climate catastrophe and unsustainable forms of resource exploitation.

Besides stoking up racist resentment in society and undermining the rights of vulnerable groups, the German government risks putting the EU itself in jeopardy. The very idea of a political community that enshrines the right to free movement across borders is crumbling before our eyes. And it is not migrants who are to blame.


Dr Maurice Stierl is a migration and border researcher at the University of Osnabrück, Germany
 
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Illiterates in Sweden
22 Sep 2024



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Soon one million illiterates in Sweden

Starting in the fall of 2028, compulsory school will be ten years old and the preschool class will become grade one, the government announces. The background is that the number of illiterates is soaring and is expected to exceed 800,000 people this winter.

According to the latest survey by Statistics Sweden, around 780,000 people between the ages of 16 and 65 were illiterate in Sweden, but the number is increasing rapidly

When the new figures are released this winter, analysts expect the figure to rise to over 800,000, and by the end of the decade over a million of Sweden's inhabitants could be illiterate.

“If this trend continues, we risk having a whole generation of young people who in practice will be functionally illiterate,” said Education Minister Johan Pehrson (L) and Schools Minister Lotta Edholm (L) in a debate article this week.

However, the ministers do not mention that the main cause of the rampant illiteracy is the ongoing mass immigration of illiterate adults from the third world, which the government is doing nothing about.

Instead, the government continues to hand out 100,000 residence permits a year, about as much as the Reinfeldt government, as Fria Tider reported in detail last summer.

- “Every month we get 8-10 students who are illiterate,” Rita Sommarkrans, SFI teacher in Västerås, said in an interview with SVT this spring.

According to SVT [Swedish Television], being illiterate in Sweden is difficult because you can't pay bills, shop, access information or book a doctor's appointment. However, SVT reports that miracles happen at SFI.

- I didn't know the alphabet, but now I can read and write, claims an Arabic illiterate on SVT during a visit to SFI in Västerås.

END OF ARTICLE
 
Sweden's EU MEP's

When the EU recently voted for using long range missiles deep into the motherland of Russia, it has come to the fore that Sweden, as the only country of all member states; ALL OF SWEDEN'S MEP's voted 100% for it. Not a single critical voice. None.

It is so insane that i have no words. Sweden of all countries.
Ruled by a criminal cabal. Also 100% it seems.


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100% support for the World War III resolution from parliamentary parties

On Thursday, the European Parliament passed a resolution calling on member states to “immediately” escalate the conflict in Ukraine, including giving Kiev the right to attack targets deep inside Russia with Western long-range weapons. Sweden stood out in the EU as support for the resolution was 100% among Swedish MEPs.

The resolution rules out any kind of negotiations with Russia and instead states that EU member states should support Ukraine militarily “in all possible ways until Ukraine prevails”.

Peace, according to the resolution, should only be established “on Ukraine's terms”.

In addition, Ukraine should immediately be allowed to attack targets inside Russia with Western long-range weapons, which, according to Russia, would mean the outbreak of the controversial World War III.

Ukraine will also receive the Swedish-German Taurus missile, which would allow it to bomb the Russian capital Moscow.

“The European Parliament calls on Member States to immediately lift restrictions on the use of Western weapon systems delivered to Ukraine against legitimate military targets on Russian territory,” the resolution says.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, for his part, has warned that such a move would mean Russia declaring war on the US, NATO and the European countries involved, as Ukraine cannot use these weapons on its own without the help of the NATO countries that supplied them.

- If they take that decision, it would mean nothing less than the direct involvement of NATO, US and European countries in the war in Ukraine. It would mean their direct participation and, of course, it would significantly change the essence of the conflict,” Putin said on Russian state television on Thursday.

He also said:

- It would mean that NATO, the US and European countries are at war with Russia.

Germany has already announced before Putin's sharp threat that it will not authorize the use of German long-range weapons to attack targets inside Russia, such as the capital Moscow.

When the resolution was adopted by the European Parliament this week, 71% of the participating German MEPs voted in favor of the resolution. However, 17 of the 96 German MEPs did not participate in the vote and abstained.

Otherwise, the vote presented a divided picture in most
EU countries. Hungarian MEPs were the most negative, with only two of the country's 20 MEPs supporting the resolution.

In Sweden, however, support for the resolution was 100%. All 21 MEPs were present and all voted in favor of the resolution, including the Left Party's two MEPs Hanna Gedin and Jonas Sjöstedt.

However, it remains to be seen what the US, which ultimately decides on these issues, will decide. So far, the White House has shelved the issue and there is no approval yet to help Ukraine attack targets deep inside Russia.


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I have no difficulty reaching their website: European Parliament
It works but the information with the distribution of votes, where is that? I would like to see a whole screenshot showing all the votes cast from all countries.

What I found was a
European Parliament 2024-2029
Plenary sitting
B10-0028/2024 }B10-0031/2024 }B10-0033/2024 }B10-0036/2024 }B10-0039/2024 }RC118.9.2024
JOINT MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION
pursuant to Rule 136(2) and (4) of the Rules of Procedure [...]
The above page has the points in the resolution, as it looked on September 19. In the absence of clear numbers, the second best are news reports that say more about who voted for what. Here is one example:
Europe at odds with public on escalating war in Ukraine
The European Parliament called for lifting restrictions on Western weapons while paying lip service to peace
ANALYSIS | EUROPE
  1. Regions Europe
  2. Ukraine War

ELDAR MAMEDOV
SEP 22, 2024
[...]
All the major political groups — the center-right European People’s Party (EPP), the center-left Socialists & Democrats (S&D) and centrist liberal Renew Europe — voted in favor of that measure, with the support of the center-left Greens and hard-right European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR). The dissenting voices came from members of Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni’s Brothers of Italy party (ECR), fellow national-conservatives from the French National Rally and Hungarian Viktor Orban-dominated Patriots for Europe (PfE) group, Germany’s hard-right Alternative for Germany (AfD), Italian socialists, French leftists, and Irish, Austrian and Maltese MEPs across the political spectrum reflecting their countries’ neutral (non-NATO) status.

What is striking is that the resolution, while calling for robust support for Ukraine, almost completely neglects any diplomatic path to end the war. The only references to peace and negotiations found in the eight-page-long document are those unconditionally endorsing Ukraine Peace Formula — that is, peace entirely on Ukraine’s terms — and a call for the second Peace Summit. But the resolution failed to address whether Russia should be invited.
[...]
Connected to the above, might be two recent headlines from SOTT:
European Union morphs into NATO's financial war machine
Denmark urges no red lines on Ukraine

As if it was a commentary on the current situation, there was in Denmark an article, published 20+ years after the points brought up would have been relevant.
Jens Rohde defended participation in the Iraq war: 'I had no idea what I was talking about'

Jens Rohde was defense spokesman when Denmark entered Iraq. At that time he defended the Danish participation in the war.
One can use such headlines to claim that many of the MEPs, including those from the Scandinavian countries, are stupid, or that they have a lack of insight. However, the situation is far worse; some people in power or close to it appear to be manifesting alien forces. Making things worse is their job.
 
The site sees to be working now. I guess it was just a temporary issue. After spending some time there, I couldn't find any info on the distribution of votes either.
However this page seems to have the info shown in the article: Vote results: Continued financial and military support to Ukraine by EU member states

Denmark and Finland with 14/15 yes votes. The missing one is "did not vote", so 0 no-votes.
Thank you, good find!
The members are listed alphabetically. To find the balance for a country, using a PC, I first clicked "Show all".
Then Ctrl+F to open the browser search field for the page.
Then I entered the name of the country, which showed the first result , 1/of "the number of members for that country"
Then repeatedly used the "Enter" key to go through the whole list.
Below are the results which could be an indication of how willing the countries are to show up on the front

Northern Europe
Sweden: the 21/21 is confirmed. Indeed the only EU country with 100%
Finland: 14/15 for, one did not vote
Denmark:13/15 for, one abstained, and one did not vote
Estonia: 6/7 for, one abstained.
Latvia: 7/9 for, two did not vote
Lithuania: 9/11, two did not vote
Ireland: 7/14 for, four abstained, and three did not vote.

Central Europe
Other countries, without bothering about the names, and the ordering of the countries
Poland: 42/53 for, six were against, and five did not vote.
Germany: 55/96 for, one abstained, 22 voted against, and 18 did not vote.
Netherlands: 24/31 for, six abstained, and one did not vote.
Belgium: 16/22 for, three abstained, three voted against, and one did not vote.
Luxembourg: 4/6 for, one voted against, and one did not vote.

Austria: 2/20 for, 10 abstained, six voted against, and two did not vote.
Hungary: 2/20 for, six abstained, eight voted against, and four did not vote.
Czech Republic: 8/20 for, three abstained, four voted against, and five did not vote.

Compare the above with:
2024-09-26 144709.pngIt looks better when those who did not vote are not counted.

Slovakia: 6/15 for, seven voted against, and two did not vote.

Southern Europe
Bulgaria: 6/22 for, one abstained, three voted against, and seven did not vote.
Romania: 18/33 for, two abstained, seven voted against, and six did not vote.
Slovenia: 8/9 for, and one abstained
Croatia: 7/12 for, one abstained, and four did not vote
Greece: 8/21 for, four voted against, and nine did not vote.
Cyprus: 0/6 for, one abstained, one voted against (Fidias), and four did not vote.
Malta: 0/6 for, two abstained, three voted against, and one did not vote.
Portugal: 17/21 for, two voted against, and two did not vote.
Spain: 37/60, eight abstained, 10 voted against, and five did not vote.
France: 37/79 for, nine abstained, 27 voted against, and four did not vote.
Italy: 47/76 for, two abstained, 18 voted against, and nine did not vote.

Some countries have proportionately many members that did not vote, or who abstained. It would be interesting to know the background.
 
🙈

I checked out just a few of the Swedish MEP’s - really only loosely. What strikes me is the “quality” of the MEP’s that got chosen into the European Commission.

One guy (Pär Holmgren) is a former meteorologist who used to be popular on Swedish national TV presenting the weather. The same guy (who i once mentioned in the forum a longer time ago) who in Sweden became a staunch propagator for dictatorship in order to save the climate of earth.

One foreign woman who was involved in a larger corruption scandal which however was dismissed at court.

Another woman who used to be a newsreader at Swedish Television (and later became a minister in the previous Swedish Government). Woke and everything.

So. Just a few examples of current Swedish MEP’s. people who voted for things that bring war closer to our doorsteps. People who are in reality dumba@@ doorstops in the way for real justice, transparency and peace.
 
One guy (Pär Holmgren) is a former meteorologist who used to be popular on Swedish national TV presenting the weather. The same guy (who i once mentioned in the forum a longer time ago) who in Sweden became a staunch propagator for dictatorship in order to save the climate of earth.
I don't think we are sending the best and brightest to Brussels. :lol:

Not surprisingly he seems to belong to the Green Party. From what I've noticed the "green" parties these days seem to be among the most authoritarian in the west at least. Extremely pro war, pro-censorship, punishing dissidents, centralizing power, etc. And these are policies that they are openly admitting, not even trying to mask it behind some nice words.
 

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