ridiculous. why even more us bases in europe. they abandoned kiruna, now they want to mess up karelia. why does the eu not have bases in canada to threaten the usa??
Scandinavian observations and perspectives
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This post has a two articles translated from Danish that show, once again, what the situation is in the public media sphere when it comes to Ukraine. On the whole, it is very far from considering an end to the war, very far. Opposition exists but it is limited.
Below there is an article where Anders Fogh Rasmussen has had an opportunity to have his views reported
This is followed by an article from the same state media about the peace meeting in Switzerland, where I contrast their use of words with what they mean.
Last, there is a perspective and comment on the Swiss meeting about Ukraine from a Danish businessman, and former prisoner.
The first is from DR, and here it can be helpful to know:
The main person in the following article is Anders Fogh Rasmussen (AFR), former PM, (Iraq war pusher) and NATO Secretary General, who is now an advisor to Vladimir Zelensky. The event was an annually held public meeting on the Island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea (Area for the Nord Stream Sabotage), where speeches and debates about politics and public issues are held.
The Danish media can still present as news, whether Ukraine should be allowed to strike targets in Russia. And while AFR is honest enough to say the West is part of the war, the expert from the defense academy claims that it is not, but that it will happen if, as AFR suggests, weapons are fired from outside Ukraine. The article and the points discussed show that the media can get away with keeping the population in the dark. It also shows that if Zelensky is off, he has at least one advisor who can "help" him.
When AFR above says:
"In addition, the Ukrainian government is allowed to ask all its allies to help it with that defense" this may refer to the new bilateral agreements made between the Ukraine government and many Western countries. A possible scenario is that the West may hope to get involved more officially in Ukraine, similar to what Russia did in Syria.
As another example of DK news reporting, there is, if translated:
One Danish high life business entrepreneur who spent five years in prison for repeated cases of fraud and other mispractices wrote an FB post that the current meeting in Switzerland has no meaning if Russia is not taken into consideration.
Translating the wordy post there was:
Below there is an article where Anders Fogh Rasmussen has had an opportunity to have his views reported
This is followed by an article from the same state media about the peace meeting in Switzerland, where I contrast their use of words with what they mean.
Last, there is a perspective and comment on the Swiss meeting about Ukraine from a Danish businessman, and former prisoner.
The first is from DR, and here it can be helpful to know:
The main person in the following article is Anders Fogh Rasmussen (AFR), former PM, (Iraq war pusher) and NATO Secretary General, who is now an advisor to Vladimir Zelensky. The event was an annually held public meeting on the Island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea (Area for the Nord Stream Sabotage), where speeches and debates about politics and public issues are held.
The Danish media can still present as news, whether Ukraine should be allowed to strike targets in Russia. And while AFR is honest enough to say the West is part of the war, the expert from the defense academy claims that it is not, but that it will happen if, as AFR suggests, weapons are fired from outside Ukraine. The article and the points discussed show that the media can get away with keeping the population in the dark. It also shows that if Zelensky is off, he has at least one advisor who can "help" him.
The message is that the Danes have to keep funding the war in Ukraine for many years to come. And if they believe what AFR says: 'It's about us standing firm. We who live in freedom and democracy must fight for it' they should be prepared to show up at the front in large numbers, but do they realize it?
When AFR above says:
"In addition, the Ukrainian government is allowed to ask all its allies to help it with that defense" this may refer to the new bilateral agreements made between the Ukraine government and many Western countries. A possible scenario is that the West may hope to get involved more officially in Ukraine, similar to what Russia did in Syria.
As another example of DK news reporting, there is, if translated:
From virtually all over the world, means what? From an article published in Switzerland, there was:
A voice of dissent
One Danish high life business entrepreneur who spent five years in prison for repeated cases of fraud and other mispractices wrote an FB post that the current meeting in Switzerland has no meaning if Russia is not taken into consideration.
Translating the wordy post there was:
The post has more than 90 likes, but as far as I know, there is not a single member of parliament who would dare officially to agree even partially. For that, he would have to move to Germany and find BSW, or AfD, which incidentally might have been his inspiration.
A reflection on history and lessons for the collective consciousness
When I 15 years ago came back to Denmark after a long absence, I soon realized the world I left no longer existed, and that the best was to begin from scratch and take it as moving into a new and unknown country. I went through piles of old newspapers and made clipping collections about what the citizens thought about themselves and their world. In the process, also through discussions with people, I discovered a few revelations about history, one about shadows from a war in the 19th century, that maybe for some faded away or was largely ignored, but not before it had left a small impression on the collective self-perception. For some, this debate and others served as an invitation to discover a wider world.
Moving forward, the reality now is that there are a majority of people who vote for politicians who implement destructive, even in the long term, self-destructive policies. However, what Ukraine and COVID have brought out, is that across regional borders, social, and political differences, there are also others, who have changed their self-perception, their view on the nation they are born into, and the world they live in. Those who signed fully up for COVID and Ukraine also learned something, there is room for all in the cosmic school.
Writing about groups, and what is learned, there is this excerpt from an early session:
There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.
Session 16 November 1994
There are no countries, only souls.
Session 25 January 1997
When I 15 years ago came back to Denmark after a long absence, I soon realized the world I left no longer existed, and that the best was to begin from scratch and take it as moving into a new and unknown country. I went through piles of old newspapers and made clipping collections about what the citizens thought about themselves and their world. In the process, also through discussions with people, I discovered a few revelations about history, one about shadows from a war in the 19th century, that maybe for some faded away or was largely ignored, but not before it had left a small impression on the collective self-perception. For some, this debate and others served as an invitation to discover a wider world.
Moving forward, the reality now is that there are a majority of people who vote for politicians who implement destructive, even in the long term, self-destructive policies. However, what Ukraine and COVID have brought out, is that across regional borders, social, and political differences, there are also others, who have changed their self-perception, their view on the nation they are born into, and the world they live in. Those who signed fully up for COVID and Ukraine also learned something, there is room for all in the cosmic school.
Writing about groups, and what is learned, there is this excerpt from an early session:
There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.
Session 16 November 1994
The above quote almost incinerated the concept of Scandinavia, or is it rather that the Wave will wash it away, an ice age burry it? From one perspective, does it matter?
There are no countries, only souls.
Session 25 January 1997
Maybe some of the military activity and preparations from NATO-US on the Peninsula is also a move on the 'Scandinavian soul stock exchange', in the sense that "they are being bought to make sure they are not not bought" and to prevent them from beginning to 'think or do anything on their own, or individually.' not because it is feared that they will cooperate closely with Russia, but with STO. Assuming there are such souls, if any of these are asking for help in their hearts from people with aims as ours, could I in my silence whisper back: May you be safe!? What else to do?
XPan
The Living Force
"Traitor to the People"
Sweden, 20 June 2024
In an article of the alternative media "Fria Tider" (Free times), following was written. Please note following:
1) this agreement has nothing to do with NATO - because it is a separate deal between Sweden and the US Military and
2) it is not a bi-lateral agreement ! The content of what was signed in the DCA agreement is equal to a post-war capitulation agreement for Sweden. I mean... think about what just been finalized at the Swedish Parliament; right before the big Midsummer Holiday (how convenient)...
"Traitors to the people": The rage against Moderate Party after the DCA vote
Published June 20, 2024 at 07:48
The Moderates are facing a storm of criticism on social media after the Riksdag voted through the DCA agreement, which according to critics means that the US is allowed to occupy Sweden.
The military occupation of Sweden by a foreign power - has not happened since the time of (King) Gustav Vasa (reign 1523-60) when modern Sweden was formed.
According to a recent poll, no less than 84% say no to foreign powers being allowed to place military and war materiel on Swedish military bases without Swedish oversight.
Despite this, an overwhelming majority of the Riksdag voted on Tuesday to approve the DCA agreement, which gives the US military the exclusive right to dispose of military areas at 17 Swedish military bases, where Swedish authorities waive their right to oversight. In practice, this means that these areas become part of US territory. The agreement also contains no guarantees against the US placing nuclear weapons on Swedish soil in peacetime without Swedish consent.
Only 37 MEPs voted against the agreement - those present from the Left Party and the Green Party, as well as political savages Elsa Widding (formerly SD) and Jamal El-Haj (formerly S).
The Moderates are now bragging on social media that the proposal passed in Parliament. "An important step for Swedish security," the party writes.
On X, the post has received hundreds of posts, a very large proportion of which contain the word "traitor" or "traitor to the people".
"I never thought, as an old right-wing conservative, that I would agree with MP and V. I knew that the Moderates have betrayed their party and their country since old man Reinfeldt's evil destructive time in power, but ... unfortunately it has only gotten worse and worse," writes one person.
Others note that the proposal went through without any public debate - "just like a banana republic", and that politicians have now literally given Sweden away to the US.
"We will always remember the day you sold out Sweden's sovereignty to the most corrupt and war-mongering country in history... and we hate you for it!" writes one user.
END OF ARTICLE
Sweden becomes a 'corridor' for the US in World War III
Published June 22, 2024 at 17.52
If World War III breaks out, Norway, Sweden and Finland will be used as a "corridor" by the United States. The decision was presented at a NATO meeting on June 19-20 in Bodø, Norway, writes TT/NTB.
- "We can work together to defend each other in a completely different way now that we are all in NATO," said Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre at a press conference.
The aim of the corridor is to quickly move military personnel and equipment from Norwegian ports to the Eastern Front during the war.
During the meeting in Bodø, Gahr Støre, Finnish President Alexander Stubb and Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson had the opportunity to play war, ride a rib boat and board the Norwegian Coast Guard vessel KV Svalbard.
The respective defense ministers of Norway, Sweden and Finland have also attended the two-day defense meeting, TT writes.
END OF SECOND ARTICLE
Is This What Everybody Wants ?
(AI altered photo near ST:Eriksplan, Stockholm City)
Sweden, 20 June 2024
In an article of the alternative media "Fria Tider" (Free times), following was written. Please note following:
1) this agreement has nothing to do with NATO - because it is a separate deal between Sweden and the US Military and
2) it is not a bi-lateral agreement ! The content of what was signed in the DCA agreement is equal to a post-war capitulation agreement for Sweden. I mean... think about what just been finalized at the Swedish Parliament; right before the big Midsummer Holiday (how convenient)...
"Traitors to the people": The rage against Moderate Party after the DCA vote
Published June 20, 2024 at 07:48
The Moderates are facing a storm of criticism on social media after the Riksdag voted through the DCA agreement, which according to critics means that the US is allowed to occupy Sweden.
The military occupation of Sweden by a foreign power - has not happened since the time of (King) Gustav Vasa (reign 1523-60) when modern Sweden was formed.
According to a recent poll, no less than 84% say no to foreign powers being allowed to place military and war materiel on Swedish military bases without Swedish oversight.
Despite this, an overwhelming majority of the Riksdag voted on Tuesday to approve the DCA agreement, which gives the US military the exclusive right to dispose of military areas at 17 Swedish military bases, where Swedish authorities waive their right to oversight. In practice, this means that these areas become part of US territory. The agreement also contains no guarantees against the US placing nuclear weapons on Swedish soil in peacetime without Swedish consent.
Only 37 MEPs voted against the agreement - those present from the Left Party and the Green Party, as well as political savages Elsa Widding (formerly SD) and Jamal El-Haj (formerly S).
The Moderates are now bragging on social media that the proposal passed in Parliament. "An important step for Swedish security," the party writes.
On X, the post has received hundreds of posts, a very large proportion of which contain the word "traitor" or "traitor to the people".
"I never thought, as an old right-wing conservative, that I would agree with MP and V. I knew that the Moderates have betrayed their party and their country since old man Reinfeldt's evil destructive time in power, but ... unfortunately it has only gotten worse and worse," writes one person.
Others note that the proposal went through without any public debate - "just like a banana republic", and that politicians have now literally given Sweden away to the US.
"We will always remember the day you sold out Sweden's sovereignty to the most corrupt and war-mongering country in history... and we hate you for it!" writes one user.
END OF ARTICLE
Sweden becomes a 'corridor' for the US in World War III
Published June 22, 2024 at 17.52
If World War III breaks out, Norway, Sweden and Finland will be used as a "corridor" by the United States. The decision was presented at a NATO meeting on June 19-20 in Bodø, Norway, writes TT/NTB.
- "We can work together to defend each other in a completely different way now that we are all in NATO," said Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre at a press conference.
The aim of the corridor is to quickly move military personnel and equipment from Norwegian ports to the Eastern Front during the war.
During the meeting in Bodø, Gahr Støre, Finnish President Alexander Stubb and Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson had the opportunity to play war, ride a rib boat and board the Norwegian Coast Guard vessel KV Svalbard.
The respective defense ministers of Norway, Sweden and Finland have also attended the two-day defense meeting, TT writes.
END OF SECOND ARTICLE
Is This What Everybody Wants ?
(AI altered photo near ST:Eriksplan, Stockholm City)