Anders Fogh wants to shoot down Russian missiles from NATO territory. Expert calls that plan 'pretty crazy'
You will have to put hard against hard if Putin is to be defeated, believes Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
By Laura Kirkebæk-Johansson
If Ukraine is to succeed in pushing back the Russian troops, they will need far more weapons and more help from the West.
This is the opinion of former Prime Minister and former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who through his company Rasmussen Global is today an adviser to the Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky.
- I have met Putin many times and concluded that there is only one thing he respects, and that is power and strength, says Anders Fogh Rasmussen to P1 Morgen, which today broadcast live from the Folkemødet (People's Meeting) on Bornholm.
- And that's why we have to show it. We must show strength.
Defense systems in NATO countries
If it were up to Anders Fogh Rasmussen, then all restrictions on the long-range weapons that Ukraine's allies donate to the country should be removed. He also believes that we should remove restrictions on where they can use those weapons.
There is virtually nothing I care less about than how Putin thinks about it.
ANDERS FOGH RASMUSSEN, FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF DENMARK AND NATO SECRETARY GENERAL
- Of course they are also welcome to use them against the Russians on Russian territory if necessary to defend Ukraine, he says.
One of the conditions for the Ukrainians to have received weapons from the West has been that they were not used for attacks in Russia. However, several countries have started to change their attitude towards this.
Fogh has aired that idea before. But now he goes a step further and suggests that Nato also directly help Ukraine shoot down Russian missiles and drones.
- We can do that by giving them Patriot missile defense systems and placing them in Ukraine, he says.
- But we can also do it by setting up defense systems on NATO territory along Ukraine's borders that can help the Ukrainians shoot down Russian missiles and drones.
Could start World War III
For a long time, Ukraine has been asking for more weapons and more ammunition. (Photo: © ALINA SMUTKO, Ritzau Scanpix)
However, Peter Viggo Jakobsen, associate professor at the Defense Academy, calls it 'pretty crazy'.
- One is that Poland puts planes on the wings or sets up systems that can shoot down things that fire into Poland's airspace, he says.
- It is quite another thing to set up systems that stand and fire from NATO territory into Ukraine or Russia. I think that's pretty crazy.
If you start firing into Russia from NATO territory, it opens the door for Russia to also fire back into NATO, says Peter Viggo Jakobsen.
- And then you potentially have the trouble of the third world war, so of course we shouldn't start on that.
According to Peter Viggo Jakobsen, it is the Americans in particular who have placed restrictions on what the Ukrainians can do inside Russia. 'It has to do with the fact that the USA is afraid that the Russians will then start firing into NATO territory', he says. (Photo: © Søren Bidstrup, Ritzau Scanpix)
Part of the war?
Back at the Folkemødet, however, Anders Fogh Rasmussen does not believe that his plan risks escalating the war further.
Aren't you afraid that we will get too involved, that it will develop?
- No, and I always thought that discussion was strange. Because of course
we are a party to that conflict, and we are according to international law, he says.
He refers to the fact that, according to Article 51 of the UN Charter, Ukraine is allowed to defend itself against the Russian attack.
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In addition, the Ukrainian government is allowed to ask all its allies to help it with that defense. And that's exactly what we do.
- So in that way we are party to the war. After all, we support Ukraine. So there is nothing I care less about than how Putin thinks about it.
Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
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UN
Politician talk
Peter Viggo Jakobsen calls it 'politician talk' when Anders Fogh says that Nato is already a party to the war.
- If the Russians start attacking us directly, or we put our own uniformed soldiers or planes with Danish, German or American flags on their wings in Ukraine, then we are a party to the war. Because then we are in direct war with Russia, he says.
- But the Americans' and also my point of departure is that we should not go to direct war with Russia, because Russia has nuclear weapons.
'It's about us standing firm. We who live in freedom and democracy must fight for it', says Anders Fogh Rasmussen. (Photo: © ALINA SMUTKO, Ritzau Scanpix)
Instead, the leaders of the West must try to help Ukraine win the war without the war spreading, believes Peter Viggo Jakobsen.
- That is what the political challenge is, and that is where a balanced policy is required.
However,
the lecturer agrees with Anders Fogh Rasmussen to the extent that more military support and ammunition must be delivered to the Ukrainians, so that they will be able to shoot as much as the Russians do.
Will drag on for years
Something else the two gentlemen agree on is that the war probably won't stop anytime soon.
Can it not be concluded around a negotiating table?
- Yes, in the end it must be concluded around a negotiating table, but we are not there at all yet, says Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
When you advise Zelenskyi, don't you also advise him to negotiate?
- No, I certainly don't, because in the end it is the Ukrainians themselves, and only they, who can decide when the time is right.