Scaring and mysterious event.

[Deleted member 11729]

take care Constantine ... the other day riots in Skopije, and that "terrorist" attack on the border with Kosovo that was few weeks ago, and recent murders of high positioned military chiefs and war weterans in Croatia, Muslim "terorsit" acts in RS in Bosnia hm ... I don't like it at all.

 

[casper]

I checked with the folk of the Ombudsman on the protection of minors data. I learned that under Croatian law minors are all persons under the age of 18 years and as such have a special status and protection. One of the laws that protect them and the Law on Protection of Personal Data, which talks about the possibilities of collecting and processing of personal data. Personal data are all data that people can directly or indirectly identify, therefore: name, e-mail addresses, photos, personal numbers and variety of features.
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Quote of the law:
In Article 7 states:
Personal data pertaining to underage persons may be collected and processed in accordance with this Act and with the special protection measures prescribed by special laws.
In Article 9 of the law states:
Before collecting any personal data, personal data filing system or processing must inform the data subjects whose data are collected about the identity of the collection of personal information, the purpose of the processing for which the data are intended, on the existence of the right of access to data and the right to correction of data apply to it, the recipients or categories of recipients of personal data and whether they are voluntary or mandatory provision of information about the possible consequences of withholding data.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This means that the collection and processing of personal data of minors must be the consent of the parents, the written consent of the lawful collection and processing of personal data which must be stated that data and for what purpose the collection.
A parent needs to know the reason for taking pictures or recording, and in what circumstances to use the personal data of children. Is there in Gostivar or elsewhere the Agency for protection of personal data?

 

[Jodi]

Konstantin, as a mother I just want you to know that I'm so sorry that you are going through this and hope that legitimate information and more importantly, action by the Government or Board of Education is taken so that you can rest assured that your son is safe! I cannot imagine what you are going through and I send peace, strength and love to you all.

 

[angelburst29]

Quote: Konstantin

"So, i don't trust any institutions right now. Its a real madness and knowledge and self protection seems like the best protection and defence right now.

I dont know if contacting the Megjashi NGO will be a good idea. i`m still thinking about that."


Konstantin, I agree with your first statement. Everything around you is in chaos and "trust" is going to be an issue with any institution.
All you can do at the moment - is protect your Family and help those that have earned your trust, in the past.

As far as Megjashi NGO, I myself would back away from contacting them. The information on them, indicates they deal directly with Child Services, through their Agency. And .... Child Services is the last one you want knocking on your door - just because you were a concerned Parent and looking for valid answers.

You have gone through the proper channels, in contacting individuals who would have knowledge of why Foto Raabe was at the School and their purpose of collecting personal information on the Students. You may not get answers but you know that something is not right.

 

[Konstantin]

ON the official page of the Gostivar( town where i live ) Foto Raabe published an so called explanation about the incident
They are not saying anything new. Just repeating the same explanations that we have already discussing.There was a meeting with the principals of all schools in Gostivar and the representatives of foto Raabe. The text on the official page is on Macedonian.
This is the same text translated to English with Google translate.

Clarification regarding the shooting of students by Raabe Photo


Gostivar, on May 8, 2015

After misunderstandings, misinterpretations and expressing concern individual parents and teachers about taking pictures of students in several schools in the Municipality of Gostivar by a German company at the initiative of the Department of Education had a meeting with the school principals and representatives of "Photo Raabe "headed by project manager for Macedonia, Mazar Abduraman to clarify all the doubts raised by the students and parents about the project.

Photography students from "Photo Raabe" is based on a Memorandum between the company and the Ministry of Education and Science of the Republic of Macedonia.

Between the municipality and production were no misunderstandings. Ministry can not sign a memorandum with the mafia production, and we have come step by step to the schools, says the manager of "Photo Raabe" for Macedonia, Mazar Abdurrahman. Such a project completed and performed in the municipality of Struga, where apart from the municipality of Gostivar where he was taken as a basis memorandum between the Ministry of Education and "Photo Raabe" there was cooperation made between the municipality and the said company said Abdurrahman.

"For us the important thing is that this project will not be misunderstood by parents that we do not do the crime and regret that situation came up here. We are here to declare all doubts have emerged in the municipality of Gostivar. From various teachers or professors thrown the first spark of the fire on this issue, though it is very clear. We came from the highest levels of the institutions, and then we get into the schools. Many complain they get to that point and work the issue received response. We came here with the memorandum signed with the Ministry of Education, were then received from the municipality of Gostivar and executives have embraced the project, which at the same time production and donation of "Photo Raabe." Students are photographed in order to make albums every for student first phase of the project. The second phase provides that with their albums is offered executives to make ID cards for each student to be considered for European student to be able to use the card in foreign countries or in the countries where they work, "Raabe "this card is valid. For this the directors agreed to make ID cards. In conclusion, some of the speculation and rumors spread that apparently our organization or our production is criminal and production that reportedly takes data that will be abused by us. Bilateral Memorandum provided if the album is not taken - not buy, then photographs are recycled by production. No abuse because it is produced with more than 50 years on the market in Germany and neighboring countries. During the project implementation there was trouble because they knew the purpose of the project, that will photograph students. It's a big production in Europe and papers. We've had two weeks in Gostivar and we had no problem, neither by the municipality nor by the Directors. We had cooperation with the Municipality of Struga, where they complete the project, because we were direct cooperation with the municipality. They photographed and had no problems. The municipality gave us permission in Struga are gone smoothly, "expressed Mazar Abdurrahman, project manager of Photo Raabe Macedonia.

"This meeting was useful because once again confirmed that the project is very positive for the realization notes that are observed all legal procedures. Through this statement, I would like to refute any misunderstandings, especially to assuage parents who have a direct relationship with this, that there is no violation of the law on this issue, "expressed Director of the school" Unity "- Marcel Sadiku.

"Anything that allegedly given personal information such as personal identification number date of birth, blood type nonsense out of memory. There is nothing out of it. For all the speculation of the past period I very sorry. I picked an unnecessary panic, where frightened and students. It was discussed in the Council of parents, from my side was explained in detail, which was read and memorandum. Besides photographing the students finished, parents are not required to buy images remains their parents to decide whether they want to buy or not. All images will not want to take the parents, will be recycled in an appropriate manner and materials will be destroyed. The funds will be collected from the sale of albums and photos, will be further back as a donation for the school. At the meeting we had all schools handed over a list of needed inventory for some of what we have asked to be given as a donation by the Photo Raabe, "said the director of the school" Goce Delchev ", Saso Šarevski.

After the project, the German production "Photo Raabe" bring donations in all primary and secondary schools in the municipality of Gostivar as teaching aids, desks, chairs, boards, smart boards and other equipment.

Center for Information

 

[Jodi]

Re: Scaring and mysterious event

The text didn't translate how we speak and is a little hard to understand. However, Konstantin.... It sounds like the company wanted to take the pics first THEN show the parents so that the parents would like and want to buy the finished product. This still seems "off" to me because here, they let us know far in advance when "Picture Day" is coming.

Also, maybe this is a cultural difference but children are NOT PERMITTED TO WORK until age 15. And still need consent. So making ID cards for work seems "off" to me.

You said they were also making passports and other travel documents yet none of that is mentioned.

Here in the part of the U.S. I live in, when the year starts, we have to give consent for our children to be photographed, to have the photos printed in public venues like a news paper and to have their names under their picture. It is a big deal.

I just don't know. It very well could be a company trying to make money by showing you photos and IDs that you can't resist purchasing. Meaning I can see how either side can be true. I do find it hard to believe that parents were not told in advance and allowed to decide for themselves BEFORE any pics were taken.

I feel that your best offensive move in a situation like this is to tell others. The more people know the better. Maybe it's wishful thinking but I feel like THEY are less likely to do something when THEY know I have told many people. If something, God forbid, happens to me, every one I have told will suspect that THEY did it!!

You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers!!

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Konstantin, thank you for update. What I don't understand is actually what is the motivation for Raabe agency to do that? If I u understand right from their explanation , they are investing so much time and effort to photograph kids, offer it for sale to parents and than they donate that money from sales to the school? Why they do all this work, when they can just simply donate money that they are spending on organizing all this effort to get permits and organize photoshoot? What is their interest in all this?

 

[angelburst29]

This article seems to suggest that the conflict in Macedonia is more geopolitical (set up that way by US/NATO) for control.

Instead of an ISIS terror group, in Macedonia they are called "Greater Albania" to insight an ethnic division?

On one hand, US/NATO are destabilizing the Bakans and Macedonia, to prevent the creation of the proposed 'Turkish stream' project.

On the other hand, the Government they installed is corrupt and using widespread spying on Macedonian citizens. Foto Raabe might be an instrument used (under Contract) as part of their spying program?


Macedonian Conflict: 'Greater Albania' Used by West to Destabilize Balkans
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150512/1022045747.html

Political analyst Andrew Korybko told Sputnik that the mistrust and division between Albania and other states in the Balkans was exacerbated by the late 1990s US and UK-led intervention in the region.

He said that the West's decision to take sides in the conflict and back Albanian groups has further destabilized the region and spurred on ethnic tensions.

Korybko also says the decision to protect the Macedonian state during the conflict, and further negotiate a generous agreement for Albanian groups, following the 2001 Macedonian war, was a strategic move by the West, aimed at trying to increase their influence in the area.

"Macedonia was purposely kept from the brink of disintegration so that the ethnic explosion [of violence] could be externally activated at a future time if need be."

The Global Energy Game

Just why western powers would want to leave the option of 'Greater Albania' open and further destabilize countries in the Balkans is down to greater geopolitical games, analysts say.

Dusan Prorokovic an expert in Balkan affairs told Sputnik that the recent trouble in Macedonia has been stirred up to try and prevent the creation of the proposed 'Turkish stream' project, which plans to transport Russian gas to Europe via Turkey and the Balkans.

"Greater Albania is a geopolitical tool to be deployed in stopping not only Russia's Balkan Stream pipeline [northern extension of the Turkish stream] but also China's Balkan Silk Road."

Dr Ker-Lindsay says that a recent report of government malpractice and widespread spying on Macedonian citizens has culminated in sizeable protests and dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski and his government.

This has led to suggestions that the recent gunfight was merely a planned incident by Skopje, aimed at stirring up ethnic tension and acting as a smokescreen for the government's current problems.

"At first, public opinion was all a bit skeptical about this, but as the revelations keep coming out, people are starting to turn against the government.

 

[Konstantin]

You said they were also making passports and other travel documents yet none of that is mentioned.

I never mentioned passports. I mentioned ID cards.

Konstantin, thank you for update. What I don't understand is actually what is the motivation for Raabe agency to do that? If I u understand right from their explanation , they are investing so much time and effort to photograph kids, offer it for sale to parents and than they donate that money from sales to the school? Why they do all this work, when they can just simply donate money that they are spending on organizing all this effort to get permits and organize photoshoot? What is their interest in all this?

I asked the same question thousands of times. That is why i think that all this is very suspicious to me. And their explanation is not explanation at all. They are just repeating their initial statement. That is now an answer to questions.

Instead of an ISIS terror group, in Macedonia they are called "Greater Albania" to insight an ethnic division?

Greater Albania is their project . With that project they are playing on an emotional level with the albanians in the region. Until now it working every time. I think that they will use it as much as it helps them to activate as much as possible radical Albanians. The truth is that its just a tool to find a puppets who will destabilize region and help the Empire to strengthen its domination on the Balkan. The analogy for ISIS on the Balkan is UCK / KLA / ONA, depending on which language you pronounce it.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Konstantin, thank you for update. What I don't understand is actually what is the motivation for Raabe agency to do that? If I u understand right from their explanation , they are investing so much time and effort to photograph kids, offer it for sale to parents and than they donate that money from sales to the school? Why they do all this work, when they can just simply donate money that they are spending on organizing all this effort to get permits and organize photoshoot? What is their interest in all this?

I asked the same question thousands of times. That is why i think that all this is very suspicious to me. And their explanation is not explanation at all. They are just repeating their initial statement. That is now an answer to questions.

Yes .. this is all legal criminal by EU and our local authorities. even when they write a page long explanaiton, it is so obvious that there is much more behind al that, and they doing it with govemrent?!?! ... Scary movie .... And now with all this mess in MAcedonia and Region, thank you very much for sharing this with us, I already informed my friends who has kids at school to be very careful about any activities in schools like this one with Rabbe. You know how our people trust straight forward to anything that comes from the west ... take care!

 

[Konstantin]

Yesterday i received an answer from Directorate for Personal Data Protection. In their letter they wite that they have received a lot of complaints about same case and that their inspectors are already investigating this case.

Later that evening on one of the national TV stations there was a short TV story about this case.
This is link to the story
_http://www.sitel.com.mk/koj-mu-dozvolil-na-germnaskoto-foto-studio-da-fotografira-uchenici-bez-dozvola-od-roditeli-0

I`m glad that this case is getting a bigger dimensions between public. I hope that more details and answers will emerge.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

I`m glad that this case is getting a bigger dimensions between public. I hope that more details and answers will emerge.

Thank you for update, Konstantin. It is very good that more people are bringing awareness and that it is also in the media, to inform and to make people more sensitive of any kind of suspicious actions from west, that can be harmfull, specially in the light of last conflicts.

 

[casper]

Yesterday i received an answer from Directorate for Personal Data Protection. In their letter they wite that they have received a lot of complaints about same case and that their inspectors are already investigating this case.

I'm glad that things have finally started!

I hope that more details and answers will emerge.

Asking to be, as a parent, in written form informed of the results of the investigation,because that does not come with certain persons to amnesty ;D

 

[Εἰρήνη]

Konstantin, maybe what you are describing is a global problem, a big part of the NWO surveillance system.
Read this article: http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2588649
the article says that a private offshore company ERH EDU REVOLUTION HOLDINGS LTD, registered in cypress and owned by the Columbia University graduate Gavriil Levi, collects and processes personal information of Russian school students, teachers and their parents for several years, having connected to system more than 30 thousand schools and more than 5,6 million pupils in Russia.
Parents are forced to provide personal information about their families to this company, they are not allowed to opt out.
Maybe this ERH EDU REVOLUTION HOLDINGS LTD is a part of a bigger system
Here is more info about the company:
http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/InfoCredit-Group/E-R-H-EDU-REVOLUTION-HOLDINGS-LTD-2127-52178

 

[Εἰρήνη]

I was able to gather some more info:
Schools in Russia force teachers, pupils and their parents to work with a social network Dnevnik.Ru, which is owned by the ERH EDU REVOLUTION HOLDINGS LTD. All personal data of children, all correspondence of parents with teachers are controlled by this 100% foreign enterprise. The website Dnevnik.Ru contains a lot of unacceptable advertizing, for example, astrology calendars, along vithe the propaganda of Gardasil vaccine for girls.

At school children are given login and the password, and teachers are obligated to work with parents through this social network. Homework is be accessed through "Dnevnik.Ru"