Science Vs. Religion

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It 's difficult to really see which is which, as far as I am aware, there is serious incoherence amongst scientists, and ingnorance of contradictory evidences is as much a part of the religion of science as experimentation into the numinous and extra- fields of higherdimensional awareness is in the domain of some religious /spiritual practice.

One would presume that since quantum physics at least, and since David Bohm, and Steven Rosen, and Felix Klein, and Moebius, and "FLatland", and catasrophe theory, and conspiracy---- such reductions and oversimplifications would have found its natural resolution in NON DUAL DUALITY.

Few realise how ancient the presumption of the primacy of matter of matter is. Few realise how ancient the project of Artificial Intelligence is. Few realise that the big bang theory is the deist religion.

As long as NATURE remains RESOURCE- both science and religion are serving an ALEIN MINDSET.

that is - a mindset that seeks to return home, and presumes that the only means of getting there is in a ship.

I, for the record, am INDIGENOUS to EARTH, do not care to LEAVE, believe that with COHERENCE of MIND and that means coherence of ideas of reality and emotional centerdness to love, interconectivity and complementarity -unity and pluralism, that the collective humanity and all kingdoms of earth could handle catastrophe positively, negating the REPEAT of the FEAR, DEFENCE, PROJECTION and REACTION that BIRTHED THE DOMINANT MINDSET (un)civilised(?) with all of its SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNOLOGICAL PROWESS that is the very cause of the extreme global nexus of crises, and paradoxically will have the means through which such crises are negotiated, would like everyone that presumes the wonton exploitation of all that is, and the utility of technology to mindcontrol the masses and perpectuate this charade of freedom (free market (knot) free enterprise (knot) free speech (knot) which has been so firmly entrenched since the covert split between secret knowledges and mass doctrine since the scientific revolution at the hands of JAMES I, but enduring since the abstractions of the ALPHABETIC GRAMMATRIA was realised itself....


come on.


This perpetual pendulum swing is pathetic

The complexities necessitate a higher order epistemology of non dual duality and MOEBIUS KLEINBOTTLE LOGIC which in religious terminology is PANENTHEISM.

Like democracy, panentheism has never really been realised.

the baby is perpetually thrown out with the bathwater, until the master slave archetype is transcended and patriarchy, monarchy, oligarchy, every arch is met with its inverse aspect- the vesica piscus being the foundational informative transcription of the move to become- it is hyperdimensional fractalisations of continuously generative and a symetrical geometry.

most else is half truths.
 
Interesting response to Muhammad's cartoon, Mercurius! Please can you simplify what your point is in language that is accessible to all in the forum. Many are not English first language speakers and even myself who is, find your post confusing. Please can you explain in layman's terms what you are trying to say. Latin is not my modus operandi.
 
Ignatious said:
Interesting response to Muhammad's cartoon, Mercurius! Please can you simplify what your point is in language that is accessible to all in the forum. Many are not English first language speakers and even myself who is, find your post confusing.
That's because it is word-salad. Interesting response to a joke, indeed.
 
Mercurious said:
The complexities necessitate a higher order epistemology of non dual duality ...
Would you like some juice from these freshly squeezed non orange oranges?
 
Mercurious said:
I, for the record, am INDIGENOUS to EARTH, do not care to LEAVE, believe that with COHERENCE of MIND and that means coherence of ideas of reality and emotional centerdness to love, interconectivity and complementarity -unity and pluralism, that the collective humanity and all kingdoms of earth could handle catastrophe positively, negating the REPEAT of the FEAR, DEFENCE, PROJECTION and REACTION that BIRTHED THE DOMINANT MINDSET (un)civilised(?) with all of its SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNOLOGICAL PROWESS that is the very cause of the extreme global nexus of crises, and paradoxically will have the means through which such crises are negotiated, would like everyone that presumes the wonton exploitation of all that is, and the utility of technology to mindcontrol the masses and perpectuate this charade of freedom (free market (knot) free enterprise (knot) free speech (knot) which has been so firmly entrenched since the covert split between secret knowledges and mass doctrine since the scientific revolution at the hands of JAMES I, but enduring since the abstractions of the ALPHABETIC GRAMMATRIA was realised itself....
About this writing style:
1 sentence...
173 words...
952 characters (no spaces)...
1,152 characters (with spaces)...

Whew, sweet bejeebus, just to think I used to write a bunch of one liners. This is definitely the other end of the spectrum. Seems to be many thoughts in this paragraph. Could you please slow down and explain what you are trying to say?
 
ok. and thanks for the kind push- I have many issues with text and am far more understandable speaking, I think ;-).

Either/or dichotomies and binary logic, forces a split between complements as if the opposed aspects are separate and discrete entities. the "gates" of binary code, are switches. on and off. these are not simple oppositions 0 and 1 but have been allowed to be reduced to these notations- a simple abstraction of a switch to a bit. As wheeler says, all is 0 and 1 there are no real numbers. however these are not merely numbers.

since who knows when, certainly in ancient greek philosophy, certainly in descartes, nature has been reduced to machines and the distinction between the real and the artificial has been lessened to the extent, that now, the many worlds theory, which I believe is the INVERSE of the truth of Ultimate reality, will be "proved" by quantum and reverse computational logic. The semantic theories such as Rowlands universal rewrite theory, a theory of continuous generation of information, is coherent with mathematical descriptions of natural systems, as Vanessa Hill shows. One of the most important researches on higherdimensional spacetime proofs comes from the little known conchology work of Chris Illert which is coherent with Ruggero Santilli's, and as one philosopher of Hadronic science has pointed out, is also coherent with ORMUS.

In America, Santillis research is considered fringe, has been attacked by sceptics in ways that are most curious, poorly argued, and though it is obviously not understood, there is more to this ignorance. It is argued against by Sarfatti, John Baez amongst others, however nothing has been published against this work, in fact Ruggero Santilli's work would have to be the most respected research amongst chaos researches, and he is honoured by Myron Evans and others as the greatest living genius - see santilli- galilei Association for scientific truth: (santilli-galilei.com and _www.santilli-einstein.com) and remians the most referenced mathematician forming the foundation of cutting edge research on AI and computation. It is indeed forming the nuts and bolts of the proofs of many worlds theory, so those in america that defend MWT with a vengence, and yet set out to destroy Santilli most liekly because they know that the whole body of Santilli work is a whole new physics chemistry and technology, and resolves many questions about ultimate reality.

I said ealier that I am of the opinion that MWT depicts the INVERSE of ULTIMATE REALITY. This is where the complexities of paradox are vast, and where the dnagers lie, as most great science has been stripped of the greatest truths and revelations, the lean half truths dished out the general population and the really juicy bits kept in the occult realms, mystified and reverse engineered as defence mechanisms ultimately to protect the mindset against the people.

It is as you all know, as if the alien mindset that arrived with the original space men, has set about the major task of driving home. What if they had returned home. Were shocked by the extreme difference and inability to resolve the differences between the opposite mind set of the techno-scientific-exploiters of all, with those who had lived on the planet with a mindset that - in its higher understanding of interconnections, complementarity, unity and so on, would consider exploitation the greatest crime, would consider mining to be the greatest sacrilidge. (It is no coincidence that ALL mining sites were known as the sacred sites accross the world. This is not because the indigenous trailed huge electromagnetic divices accross the planet in order to find the minerals, they SENSED it and more THEY Gained information about the DIFFERENT MINERALS, their POWERS and pos and neg attributes. The green ant dreaming corresponds with Uranium. If eanyone knows the green ant, they are one of the worst in terms of their bite, and one of the most beutiful in terms of tehir colour.

The idea that todays aliens are us in the future is not uncommon.

The possibility that they in the past were returning is not something I have read about. I comes my years of research into the reconcilliation of opposites, reasons why the new science never really grounded at all, and why D.Bohms work has been steered around while his work on hidden variables, of 1953, which was the basis of everets research and indeed is an integral part of MWT. I suspect that this steering project concerns that split of knoweldges, Bohm triggered the flourishing of higherdimensional considerations of ultimate reality, confirmed the wierdness of quantum physics to be so unlike the western mindset, but in tune with eastern and middle eastern and indian metaphysics, and through the work of david peat, with the indigenous mindsets.

This was wild- how can NON literate cultures have a more sophisticated handle on reality than the white man?

So I suspect the utility of science supports the promethean project of returning home- not an uncommon thought, since RA WIlson and most CROWLEYESQUE majikians exhalt technology and the anachistic desire to destroy the authority, that is in fact supporting the same project, everything supports the same project, and MWT ensures that rather than indigneous mindsets coming out on top,
all religious thought based on JUDEO CHRISTIAN including SATANIC or NEW AGE principles and BUDDHIST- will find coherence in the idea of the observer of the observer of the observer.

as long as god and the void is outside of reality, then exploiting all that is can continue relentlessly.

the indigenous mindset negates the development of technology that requires radical transformation of the mineral kingdom. Like some of Haushkas theories, the mineral kingdom is beneath the surface, is the mirror world, is engaged in ots own transformative process, harbours massive energy, and is the "light body " of the earth. the coal that is passing my house, 80 carriages every ten minutes or so, is premature diamond. Anyone who has investigated the different frequencies of the different crystaline bodies of this planet, or further, tuned into their "entities" will know first hand the power and energy of the ancient gems that once were merely coal or decomplsing peat bogs and so on.

MWT is the inverse (mainly due to rationalisations of time and the presumption that consciousness is EMERGENT rather than primary) of a continuous creation where time is now and subjectively expereinced by all living here now.

How does something like this occur. Reduction of concepts reduces dimensionality. If a point is said to have NO DIMENSION- one of the first major lies that children are told- lines could not seriously be formed, a reduction of dimensionality which is critical to the schematics of artifice, is achieved.

Theories have become based on linguistic models rather than epistemologies of first causes. Monadology or the dual aspects of the wholes, become reduced to two discrete wholes in opposition. Aristotles law of non condradiction reinforces this. "How can one thing be two things?." Complementarities of potentials and actuals, become reduced to actualities alone, where the inherent potential of the opposite that is WITHIN in the non dual dualism of RELATIONSHIP is considered categorically as separate identities.

As an example, lets look at the gates of binary code. the switch. on , off. light dark. good evil, these are all aspects of whole systems. In the artificial world one can be god and trun a switch that will turn off the light, or turn it on. In the real world, though one side of the planet it may be night, the sun has not gone out. Light is not turned off, it is continuous. Globally it is always on. locally it is night.

off is the potential state of on. In real systems, off is purely a conceptual artifice. Life is. The state of off, was before beginning. it was not even a void, as there was certainly the potential to become, as we are in a state of being here now. It is important to realise that the sate of being here now is a subjective state and that regardless of the technological apparatus, the subjective is the true space.

We are told how fallible the human mind, and sure after three or more thousand years of mind control through impositions of abstract semantics, and separations between educated and uninformed, and heirarchies and so on, it is surprising that human think at all. Memories are kind. porjections into the future attempt to organise and control life. fuck the brain and there are going to be issues with the nature of perception. Mind control the brain with educational dictates for hundreds of years and as Bertrand Russell states in Science and society, through psychology and education children will be taught that black is white. Indeed children and grown men will be taught that every choice creates a whole new universe ACTUALISED somewhere. NOT that ones potential futures are multple until choice and action actualises and therefore reduces the multiple futures to the one that is experienced.

The sign for off is a "1" inside a "0". It is off. There is no connection. In terms of electricity the opposites are separated and the current does not flow. there is no "light" and to get light or power, the switch has be turned so that there is connection between opposites.

In terms of geometries, the notion of two things or aspects, being one whole can be investigated in terms of topology. Inside and outside, where a boundary is the surface for an artificial object without any mind, or brain function, senses of awareness of relationship, that is, has nothing extending beyond the surface, would be described by a closed surface. a basic platonic geometry. Discrete, having an inside and an outside. it is simply matter. even though it may have motion, and may calculate, it is material alone. Tte project of artificial intelligence is the project of overcoming the limmitations of matter, and indeed of programmes, whereby the input from "sensory" data generates actions and reactions accordingly. There is the potential for some mind to emerge through these machinations.

To presume that the human prototype of the machine, is the same as a machine, that it too is experiencing the emerging of mind, is a complex and wierd rationalisation of an ancient master slave project.

conditioning to the point of having no mind, and hense subservient to the master, and the domination of the ruling classes, indeed being born into the YOKE OF YHEWAH as we all have been, -it is a civilised world, and we have all been civilised- that is liberated from the state of natural freedom. COLONISED, liberated from the former and indigneous way of being in this world.

And "they" are on the brink of having all of the means to completely REPROGRAMME all that has been colonised, civilised, through the use of sound, light, and the CANDY MANS mindaltering pharmeceuticals. What "they" (and they are undoubtedly of the ENGLISH SPEAKING HEBREW LINEAGE of CABALA GRAMMATRIAS -cabatalistic. The new currency of the civilised worlds, is the currency of the artificial linguistic programme of ancient grammatricians, which enabled separation, division, control, exploitation and continues.

The last thing "they" would like to see would be a universal shift against exploitation itself.

To presume that consciousnes is emergent, like leary, like all of the "good" anarchists who thought that their way of fascist controll over the masses was better than the non liberals. ("if everyone was a bhuddhist"...."if everyone was a Bahai"..... If we one world religion.....one science one people, one look, one diet, and so on.

Anarchy has been granted to the "free" market bacause idiots believe it is free and that there is no such as mind control, that there is no such thing as consciousness, and that opposite are not inherent in each other, and there is absolute good and absolute evil, and the sun turns out at night!

This is as much about scientific ignorance-- mind control is rife, has always been, to presume that knowledge has evoled seemlessly to the heightsof brilliance as ordained by the neuvo roman american english empire, that the whole building of science is not completely flawed is rather crazy.

even the difference between the antispagyrism of seventeenth england, the brothers of the royal society, is extremely revealing as opposed to the natural water, and plant alchemy of paracelsus and goethe. The difference betrween luther and calvin- extreme differnce between england and europe.
We are caught under the scientifici dictatoreship of the RUSSELL logic and stochastic process of heisenbergian random indeterminism. To presume that all is an illusion, rather than the westerm materialism is the illusion, and that media mind control subjects all to this- is to presume that one can separate- reality is consciousness- only when there is no concosiusness will there be no reality, it is not an illusion, it is COHERENT.

many worlds satifies everyone, religionist, atheists, satanist, bhuddists, as long non dual duality and panenetheism is not realised, and the heirarchy is maintained, and the void is there, then everyone can continue to exploit the guts out of the planet.

this is not about fate is about freedom, and power. The power of the mind to create ones reality, and collectively create the worlds reality, is and has always been occurring. One has not to learn how to be powerful, they have had to learn how to be empowered and direct their thoughts positively. Most are negative creators and do not realise that their statements are the scafolding of their reality. The anthony robbins style of self empowerment introduces the notion of goals and self creation, manifestation, without revealing what has occurred through the evolution from out of the wound of catastrophe. where the shift to projective fear based cultures who called themselves civilised as their model of liberation has been reduced to the focus and outcomes and meaningless.

How can it be like this-

lets take the alt history- catastrophe theory is the most plausable reason for the radical shift into "civilised" constructs. Rather than, a gradual evolution catastrophe theory is a theory of punctuated evolution. Gimbutas, Eisler and others note the abrupt shift from "partnership" to "dominator" models. Shlain, though does not agree with the abrupt shifts, however notes the power of the alphabet as signifying the death of the goddess ("the alphabet and the goddess").

With such a gramatria, the power of the patriach has been engendered.

The mystifications of the prehistoric, serve to detract from the truth. ASSIMILATION was the catch phrase of platonic social model.

Assimiliation of women the most important step. Why? the greeks reduced the female to mere vessel.

This reduction, serves the void theory of reality and the big bang that it spawns. Without the feminine, there is no REALTIONSHIP between what is and what was potential. The womb was thought of as an incubator, only. The female is the void, the chaos, the evil, to rid the planet of her, is to rid the planet of the corruption. With stepford wives, and control over all that is, the goal to return home will be achieved.

this is not just white mans project, it is the projection of civilisation.
 
I appologise too there is a fragmentation that occurs with the ongoings of a househol. iwanted to also say the kein obttle topology is the topology that resolves numerous issues of the mind body problem and was explored particularly in the writings of Steven Rosen and his correspondence with david bohm. However in exploring the work felix kein, (_www.towardsanewera.net) it is revealed that the classic klein bottle is NOT the kleinbottle that is THE model. His REAL model was revealed in MEIN HERR a chapter in Lewis Carols Silvie and Bruno Revisited. It is the Purse of fortunatus, and what I have called the PHRYIGIAN or MOBIUS kleinbottle. This shape is the shape that ROWLANDS THEORY is close to- a continuous assymetric creation. just that there is no EMPTY SET, the empty set is CONSCIOUSNESS, and the moebius twist is the LIFE that is induce through the relationship between being and nonbeing as the archetypal complement and of true epistemology.

Potential is a priori. Maxwel was getting to this, but the Royal society reduced his math by removing quaternions, which Rowalnds works from. Klein was a collegue of SOPHUS LIE, and SOPHUS LIE is the foundation of SANTILLI ISOEUCLIDEAN MATHS.

so it is as if SANTILLI has given us the potential to come full circle to the original science of VESICA PISCUS based geometries (not based on the flower of life, not based on the trefoil, and found in the HENGES of ENGLAND.

Pyhtagoras is the closest of the greeks, but he was a civilised and assimilated man, and the vesica piscus is obscured through the reduction of the henge science to the technological (brilliant shift but problematic) of the sun dial, placing the cosmos into a bowl, using a cross to read the information and hence presuming that the whole cosmos was a simple sphere.

The vesica piscus is inherent in the progression of pythagoras, however the utility of the three circles as opposed the two to realise the natural revelation of all of the platonic solids, as a mode of simplification, has caused a radical shift, and a half truth of the whole pisture. The tree of life and the sephiroth is only half of the picture.

The divice of the set square, enabled geometers to skip all of the clumsy workings of getting to the perfect right angle. The gnomon originally a standing stone, became the right angle.

all of sacred geometry can be revealed without a ruler (dominator) and the circle - circe, kirk, the femanine space of continuous generation is the mandorla of the MOBIUS TWIST- the continuous unbounded assymetric topology of wholeness, where the inner and outer are unified.

Shiela MOrgans work, _kleinbottle.net, approached the kleinbottle through diagonal weaving, and therefore the constraints enforced upon the shape in KLEINS day, as misinformation, stating that is discontinuous and bounded, is resolved. The neck passes through the weave. The point of singularity is hence continuous, where the opening or white hole is emergent in the interior, and not subject tothe forces (gravitational?) that are synonomous wiht the black hole- as it pases through its own body, the interior womb gives birth to the continous motion. The classic kleinbottle however is not a shape that continuous rotates as its sister shape does.(purse of fortunatus or moebius/phrygian kelinbottle.

it is the primacy of consoisnesss that is the DRIVER, in the position as was MAXWELLS HYPOTHETICAL DEAMON>

In the aritificial world of aritificial systems, the position of the DEAMON as the GATE KEEPER is the GOD SPACE, the space that is now the artifiical space of SURVELANCE and INFORMATION GATHERING, sorting, and doling out to the different levels of the social system that is built to serve the mindset of DOMINANCE. DOMINUS DOMINION.

How long does noe wait for the master to realise that he is stuck, on route to realising the FOOL, through the ignorant presumption that the fool who does not wish to control his own destiny, nor steal the general populations individual destinies through the yoke of authoritarian control and artificial organisation of the masses aka platonic emmersonian models reduced to the DEIST ANGLO JUDEO grab for GLOBAL CONTROL OVER ALL RESOURCES AND ALL RELIGIONS AND SCIENCES, in order to off this beautiful planet before the shit really hits the fan.

The crowleyesque influence upon this mindset is extreme. The Neiztchean nihilism a reaction to the janus face of the anglos and aristocracy, and now the precedence of liberalism, has thrown the system into the termoil of exploration of all of the lower emotions, in an attempt for humans to get it out their system and technology provides the perfect space and the paradox is that the forces that strive for freedoms are the force behind the best of technology, and the creators of the potential solutions, however these are utilised by those who will to lead and dominate through heirarchy, too scared to allow the scales to fall from the masses, and celebrate the perfection of nature and this includes liberal as well neocon controls.

the sovereign state, the despot, the man god, the promethean quest for emergent consiousness, when consiousness is was and will always will be.

As if enlightenment can oocur through the gross destruction of ALL THAT IS. the destruction of the very thing that is the presumed correlative of GOD, by virtue of the VOID, is the blackest problem of all. And yet, the machinations of the west can also be seen in its most virtuous forms, as an egalitarian will to seek to know. The masonic path if you like, is to cautiously explore and experiement and hence be scientific. The RUPTURE from the past, the close proximity to the epicentre of the catastrophe, the return to darkeness, and the cave, the mutation of white skin, and the evolution of projective psyche- the opposite of the indigenous, who on the opposite space in the world, evolved reinsured of the living the planet, in its groans and motions.

The AMERICAN business model however, is the world that has cast out KEPLERS geocentrism in favour of the split- keep the true reality mystified, the pentagram and epicycle of venus is worshipped, as an EMPTY VESSEL while the female is the objectification of all evils, and so the mysogeny of the patriach reigns and so called liberation of women and of the indigenous is simply a further pumutation of MALE control over the female and former mindset of wholeness.

most of your work here is brilliant. This whole project that you have been developing for so long is so important. There is tendency though to negate pluralism, and breed dichotomy, locate individuals as wrong, or part of the problem, and yes all of us are struggling within the HISTORICAL EPOCH OF GRAMMATRIA and reduction. Platos world is not a world that I wnat to endure. It has been the script for centuries.

all knowledge will be used and abused and exploited just as all kingdoms, until the unification and coherence of all which begins with a dissolution of heirarchy and presumption that only the most intelligent must rule. the most intelligent are those more privvy to the lies and the half truths, however over time, the lies and the half truths have become all that is.
 
Holy crap. That's a lot of writing. Is there a way to explain your thoughts with a series of fewer sentences, different words and shucks I'll say it, even easier words?

I even got through part of Finnigan's Wake without this many problems in comprehension.
 
Mercurius said:
I have many issues with text
Indeed. And with external considering.

These word-salad posts show a lack of external considering, especially for people whose first language is not English. They are full of unnecessarily long and convoluted sentences; spelling and grammatical errors; and words which should be capitalized to preserve the sense. You provide no explanations when introducing new concepts. The visual presentation of the material does not encourage reading, especially after your first dish of word-salad. For example, you have not, at least in the parts I read, explained what is meant by Grammatria.

It is quite possible that you have something interesting to say, but if you keep on presenting the information in this manner, no-one will want to read it.

M said:
however these are not merely numbers
If they are 'not merely numbers', then what are they?

M said:
which I believe is the INVERSE of the truth of Ultimate reality
Reality is under no obligation to conform to your beliefs.

M said:
will be "proved" by quantum and reverse computational logic
On what evidence do you base this assumption?

M said:
the relationship between being and nonbeing as the archetypal complement and of true epistemology.
What do you mean?

M said:
a simple abstraction of a switch to a bit
How does this happen? What do you mean?

And this next quoted sentence is priceless (meaning unintentionally hilarious).

M said:
The RUPTURE from the past, the close proximity to the epicentre of the catastrophe, the return to darkeness, and the cave, the mutation of white skin, and the evolution of projective psyche- the opposite of the indigenous, who on the opposite space in the world, evolved reinsured of the living the planet, in its groans and motions.
I wonder if this thread should be in Baked Noodles.
 
Mercurious said:
Either/or dichotomies and binary logic, forces a split between complements as if the opposed aspects are separate and discrete entities.
True, aristotlian logic is used when dealing with ordinary things. When talking about a non-dual duality you render the words you are using meaningless. You are confusing levels- we are at a certain level, and we use a corresponding level of language to gain knowledge.
these are not simple oppositions 0 and 1 but have been allowed to be reduced to these notations
But binary logic is based on oppositions- you are talking nonsense! In what way have they ben "allowed to be reduced to [0 and 1]"- the entire logic is based on the true/false dichotomy. If they didn't, you wouldn't be reading this on a computer right now.
As wheeler says, all is 0 and 1 there are no real numbers.
Perhaps, all is 0 and 1 on some level, but on our level some is 1 and some is 0. We need to deal with our level of the illusion to get anywhere.
the many worlds theory, which I believe is the INVERSE of the truth of Ultimate reality, will be "proved" by quantum and reverse computational logic.
So if it is the inverse of the truth then it would be 0. But you said 0 and 1 are the same so maybe it is the truth. See the problem with your thinking? Also, a scientific theory can't be proved with logic, but it can be proved with evidence that logically lead to its truth.
We are caught under the scientifici dictatoreship of the RUSSELL logic and stochastic process of heisenbergian random indeterminism.
Russell's logic was purely classical, like the 1 and 0 you talked about before. The heisenberg uncertainty principle has little to do with logic, you're probably thinking of quantum superposition. Classical and quantum logic are two separate subjects.
many worlds satifies everyone, religionist, atheists, satanist, bhuddists, as long non dual duality and panenetheism is not realised, and the heirarchy is maintained, and the void is there, then everyone can continue to exploit the guts out of the planet.
Many worlds hardly satisfies everyone. Most people find it disconcerting that every possible variation on themselves is a reality and many find that this renders their life meaningless. This is a little to speculative however, because we don't even know if many worlds is a correct interpretation. Non-dual duality is a meaningless term! How is pantheism realized and what does it have to do with hierarchies or voids?
Assimiliation of women the most important step. Why? the greeks reduced the female to mere vessel.
Who says "assimilation of women" is the "most important step"? In what way did the "greeks reduce the female to mere vessel"? Please use supporting evidence for your assertions or you're adding to forum noise.
This shape is the shape that ROWLANDS THEORY is close to- a continuous assymetric creation. just that there is no EMPTY SET, the empty set is CONSCIOUSNESS, and the moebius twist is the LIFE that is induce through the relationship between being and nonbeing as the archetypal complement and of true epistemology.
I'm all for using mathematical objects for philisophical speculation, so long as your analogy is clear. Actually, there is an empty set ({}, or a set with 0 objects), but I'm not exactly sure what it has to do with consciousness- once again, please explain (with evidene) or you're just adding noise. What is "true epistemology"?
Maxwel was getting to this, but the Royal society reduced his math by removing quaternions, which Rowalnds works from. Klein was a collegue of SOPHUS LIE, and SOPHUS LIE is the foundation of SANTILLI ISOEUCLIDEAN MATHS.
Do you have a source for this?
Pyhtagoras is the closest of the greeks, but he was a civilised and assimilated man, and the vesica piscus is obscured through the reduction of the henge science to the technological (brilliant shift but problematic) of the sun dial, placing the cosmos into a bowl, using a cross to read the information and hence presuming that the whole cosmos was a simple sphere.
Again, where's your source?
it is the primacy of consoisnesss that is the DRIVER, in the position as was MAXWELLS HYPOTHETICAL DEAMON>In the aritificial world of aritificial systems, the position of the DEAMON as the GATE KEEPER is the GOD SPACE, the space that is now the artifiical space of SURVELANCE and INFORMATION GATHERING, sorting, and doling out to the different levels of the social system that is built to serve the mindset of DOMINANCE. DOMINUS DOMINION.
I'm lost. Maxwell's demon is a thought experiment about thermodynamics. Please explain what you're talking about or you're just adding noise.
all knowledge will be used and abused and exploited just as all kingdoms, until the unification and coherence of all which begins with a dissolution of heirarchy and presumption that only the most intelligent must rule. the most intelligent are those more privvy to the lies and the half truths, however over time, the lies and the half truths have become all that is.
Have you been paying attention at all. No one is presuming the most intelligent must rule, look at our world leaders.
Well, Mercurious, I barely got through your two posts, and I have learned NOTHING. The kind of post-modern style with lots of words, but little meaning, is not really right for this forum, as we seek a high signal-to-noise ratio. Now if you can back up everything you've said with evidence and explain things a little more, fine, but I would advise re-reading the forum rules first. You were all over the place in these posts, try writing with a thesis with logical supporting details (you did not explain very well what the "destruction of the feminine" had to do with a klein bottle). (Also, please capitalize all your sentences and use punctuation, it was really difficult getting through all that).
 
Mercurious, please tell me you're just overmedicated. It's hard to believe that, with only 24 hours in a day, that anyone with two firing neurons would waste their time stringing together such nonsense.
And then have the nerve to post it! :lol:
 
ok, so it was a joke, ha ha. If that is the case, I must be autistic or something.

little sentances.

And I am sorry if a serious response frys your brain.

It is complex. It takes somewhere in the realm of a half a life time to even attempt to work out what is going on out there, and even then we are all feeling to some extent in the dark.

Science is filled with half truths and smoke and mirrors, and the lack of coherence and movement toward a wholy new paradigm has been ressisted for decades.

It has been rejected by social scientists as the reason for all that is messed up, yet science paradoxically holds truths, and if the social scientists explored that hard sciences enough they have to conclude that most great works survive for the masses at least as only half what the scientists intended.

As you guys know, there is something more than science behind the conspiracy, and the dominance of the military which is the HISTORICAL MODEL AND MINDSET- and includes EAST AND WEST, all civilised cultures, all literate cultures, is obviously the most organised and has always the most organised system that has MEDIATED knowledge.

the principle of complementarity was eclipsed by the principle of indeterminancy.

synchronicity was eclipsed by chance.

And the knowledge of preditions of natural events like the eclipse, has given such power to those who where too naive to handle it.

Is YHWH just a clever man? most likely.

The false god is artifice. It is realised as survellance. It is has been engendered by splitting the monad into two absolute entites. The whole that was known to be a complex non dual duality from the first written arguments. these arguments were spawned from the inability to comprehend the truths of those who were colonised by dominator male groups who killed everyone, but required women not as partners but as incubators of their little sea men. these women held the knowledge of the former mindsets. they were feared, and their mindset was considered dangerous. They were necessarily ASSIMILATED, and their "magic" twisted and reduced, where the symbols were used as emblems of power just incase there was a god. WAs there a god? if they won sure. if they lost, well fuck god.

The knowledge of the eclipse made men mortal gods, and allowed the hoodwinking of those who where not accustommed to lyers. (the lyers vs the pan pipes, apollo vs pan, the chord vs the modes, classical control vs natural chaos)

Psyops is domination.

the whole lineage of the dominant science is spawned from the brilliant and genius application of the mind to the problem of how to take the knowledge of the stone henges from the non literate ancients.

non literate is used in preference to preliterate as the mindset of ancients which can be appreciated by what traces of history we have from the ancient land of phrygia. Not that they were a pure culture, but it seems from the accaunts that surround the invasion of alexander in 333, that the land was isolated and difficult to enter, requiring alexander's men to walk into it single file. It is recorded that the landforms had suffered great destruction. It is likely that in some places the culture remained unaffected to an extent, by the maurauding tribes until this machine like psychopath marched in and cut the gordian knot, enslaved the people and in a dark comic twist, used their the sacred purse and hat, the phrygian hat, which over many eons was styled in a myriad of ways - loosing its complexity to a great degree, however preserved in its wholeness as the purse of fortunatus- a MOEBIUS KLEINBOTTLE.

this structure was used by ALEX as a gift to those who were released from captivity or slavery. LIBERATED. This is a major twist, as the hat and purse was THE symbol of UNITY. all was contained by this OMEGA SET SHAPE as it contained itself.

The inside and the outside are the one side, so if you had a purse it was never empty, it contained everything outside as well all that was inside. If you had the hat, you were a free person. you were unified with all that was outside, as well as all that was inside.

Did the phrygians use this as a gift to those "liberated" from incarceration or slavery. No. It was given to ALIENS- travellers, who came upon their land from far away places as a symbol of unity, family, in recognition that the outsider was included in their world view as one of the whole, even though they had come from elsewhere.

The MYTHS of phryiga, the gordian knot, king midas, and so on reveal a culture who was not concerned with the heirarchy or lineage of succession of regents. When Midas freaked out from the TRUTH of ALCHEMY (which sounds similar to the contemporary narratives from the ORMUS community)- that is from WATER alchemy, and left all his wealth and leadership to roam nature, the next leader was instated through the consultations with the oracle which was accepted outright. The next person who entered the gates in an ox cart would be king. And so a "lowly" peasant was bestowed with that responsibility.

The GORDIAN knot was tied to the post and the oracle stated that he who untied the knot would rule the world.

The act of alex, cutting the knot was an act of dominance which has mythic resonance and concerns the inability to comprehend paradox- an inability that has to this day flawed the lineage of enquiry and corrupted all texts as teh former narratives began to be commited to writing.

The LORD of CATEGORIES and the PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION - aristotelian confusions were a device that in ordering the seemingly chaotic, could ensure control.

Prediction and divination - tools of the archetypes that do not comprehend freedom or the alpha omega archetype of the fool, and wish to change and control the future with the little will of the mortal beast headstrong and overuled by conditioning of supremacy, were developed by those who feared nature and projected their fears upon everything.

Tools.

The tools that permitted the prediction of the eclipse were extraordinary. initially a simple bowl which captured the light of the sun, and a cross was all that was necessary.

How did one make a cross without a ruler and set square? a perfect 90degree angle?

The vesica piscus.

the vesica piscus was far more than simply a device for making a perfect angle. With only those two circles all of the "sacred" geometries were generated by simply joining lines between points marked by the drawing of the circles.

sure it is easier to generate all of the geometries with more circles, however the fractalisation of the GEM that is continuous -ever smaller and ever larger, and rotating about the centre in double spiral form, holds far more keys than these clever man comprehended.

this is why it took thousands of years for phi to be revealed, and once that was revealed, it was plugged into the flawed geometrics which in using simpler divices, (three circles or the flower of life) failed to realise the full picture.

the split of knowledge has always preserved the technologies and the reliance on metal and mineral alchemy and exhalted the creative mind through the evidences of achievements.

blundering along, the doubt concerning the more spiritual questions, the big questions that will remain unanswered unless radical revision occurs to reinstate such things as the geocentric perspective along with the heliocentric model, and the appreciation of water alchemy in preference to mineral alchemy (which is wholy carcinogenic) and an exhaltation of neg entropy - aka LIFE rather than entropic cosmic heat death.

we find the incoherence of science revealed as the dictatorship in Russells writings science and society, and technology is its proof. the atificial world dictates to the real.

it is a convenience to remove consciousness from the mindset.

tell a mind control subject that all he has is brain states, and then they will behave like a machine.

while AI is developing more than mere "brainstates" (effect of programmes), the human is subjected to serious subliminal and overt conditioning (for example MYTH BUSTERS MIND CONTROL EPISODE and ARIA AWARDS busted for subliminal advertising yet nothing happens as the forums here are set up for the sceptics to immediately undertake the damage control.) I am beginning to think that Australia who harbours the largest american bases and is THE nuclear stategy of the western world, is the most conditioned culture there is. It stands to reason- the new land, all lessons learnt, terra nullius as a political device, step up of mining in the face of co2 issues and the machine rages on here.

Science is the religion and has always been. Religion has served the projet, and tried in some cases to preserve the truth, albeit disguised and with the utility of hte void, twisted.

The big bang theory, spurious as it is, remains as the common mans understanding. It is the BIG IDEA. has much changed?

It is nothing more than the description of the logos blasting out from nothing, - the empty set, the brakets.

() this is the divice that reigns, and yet it refers to far more than the void.

this is remnant of truth.

this is the scariest space on earth.

this is the source of all "evils"

this mystification of truths, embedded in the propaganda mythologisations of history, has succeeded to the grand LOOP, the eternal return, technology is seen to be saviour and will heal or wounds caused by technology that is seen as the saviour and will heal all wounds caused by technology

All beliefs whether they are religius or scientific or spiritual or whatever, that permits gross exploitation of the mineral kingdom and all other kingdoms as well, is a culture of destroy ALL THAT IS in order to ESCAPE the SHADOW of the SELF.

so ha ha, great joke, I dont get jokes, and am always easily humiliated.

I am interested in connecting here, and respect the work being done.

I come here from many years of similar research.

and am probably far too serious
 
wow you guys are really nasty

resolving paradox has the potential to realise unity

judgement the opposite.

vive la fragmentation.

and no I am not on medication.

cults preserve themselves by projecting blanket abuse on others whos intensions are not to pull apart, but unify. If you cannot see this by my attempt to communicate, albeit too inaccessable, then perhaps engagement with you guys is a mistake.

I am interested in the complexities that persist with either/or arguments, and will never find resolution.
 
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