Chaitanya Krishna das said:
Well, for instance, we accept the Mahabharata as actual history, not as symbolic stories. And we accept the Srimad Bhagavatam as the actual history of the past hundreds of millions of years of THIS material universe. And if you read the Bhagavatam in conjunction with books like "Forbidden Archaeology" by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson, and Laura's "Secret History of the World" books, it backs up the fundamentalist interpretation of these scriptures.
The Bhagavatam also states that our particular material universe is simply one of millions of material universes, and that all these millions of material universes make up only one fourth of the total creation, the other three-fourths being taken up by the spiritual universe, Vaikunthaloka.
I have couple of encounters with ISKCON people in couple of new age shows. Their narration goes in these lines “ Only Our guru TRULY translated gita and it is the ultimate thing”. I once asked politely “I prefer to think differently and How do you know it is true translation ?. How do you even know the Gita is original ?”. You can imagine the answer.
Here are some thoughts on Gita in India as I understand.
Normal Man is busy with materialistic needs , are ready go with any( God/Guru ) fad that fits bill and popular. So you will see infinite gods, rituals, dresses, physical, mental disciplines. These people doesn’t bother much about Gita except to project it as culture superiority. Anything related to pure Bhakti mode, people take with bucket of salt due to well publicized scandals that comes up often. But again as Gandhi said “poverty is the worst form of violence against humanity”. So poor( or greedy) can be made to do anything.
As for as I know, Intellectual types who look for meaning in life beyond material terms often turn to Gita. Since nobody knows the origins of it or very few know of Sanskrit, it almost falls under expertise of guru/sadhu’s whose narrations always differ, but the originating story seems to stick.
In these categories, some seems to follow physical and mental disciplines with meditation, Ayurveda along with using religious text ( to impart what they think moral values ex: chinmaya mission. More esoteric side paramahansa Yogananda type groups. They both use Gita as a narration focus. These are relatively harmless in my opinion.
The real harmful one’s are like self professed god men like saibaba , nityananda, many Amma’s and drug using sects and million other con men.
Since I started reading Laura’s/C’s stuff, I wondered about the origins of hindu texts. This is what C’s said regarding Veda’s. some of the text I posted in other threads. I will repeat.
Q: (L) My first question is: What is the source of the Vedas? The Hindu system of philosophy?
A: There is more than one source.
Q: (L) What is the general source, positive or...
A: A very vague question.
Q: (L) Was it a group of people that put them together over centuries, or was it channeled information, or...?
A: It came into being as a result of meditation.
Q: (L) And what race of people was responsible for this information?
A: Caucasian.
Q: (L) What period of time were the Vedas received.
A: Varying bits and pieces of information which later was organized into packages labeled as it is.
Q: (L) From what realm did this meditated information issue?
A: The realm of the subconscious mind.
Q: (L) Are any of the Vedas information that was given to man by extra-terrestrials?
A: Not as you would define it.
Q: (L) From what types of beings, or what level of density did this information issue from?
A: Third.
Q: (L) Can you give us anything more on that in a general sense?
A: If you ask.
Q: (L) What is the percentage of accuracy of the information given in the Vedas? Overall?
A: Accurate at what level?
Q: (L) Third Density.
A: Accurate to what extent and in what way?
Q: (L) Well, in a general sense, as a way of living one's life and perceiving the universe.
A: That's an extremely difficult question to answer as accuracy in determining such things as perceiving the universe and living one's life is entirely open to interpretation as anyone can resolve
accuracy by relating to the parallel universe which is appropriate for the information given. And, as we have stated in the past, it is possible to create parallel universes through thought energy,
and once they are created naturally, they correspond naturally to the interpretation given for them.
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Q: Who was the Queen of Sheba?
A: Fictional.
Q: Did a great queen come to visit King Solomon?
A: Alien influence.
Q: Who was Arjuna?
A: Same as Sheba.
Q: Who is Shiva?
A: Same.
Q: Rama?
A: Indian. High priest influenced by Confederation.
Q: When did the Aryans invade India?
A: 8243 years ago.
Q: Who was there before that?
A: Asian tribes and number 3 prototype.
Q: What is a number 3 prototype?
A: Known as Neanderthal man.
Q: And what are we?
A: Number 4 types c and d. Translation into English comprehension.
Regarding avatars
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Q: (MM) I would like to know if the Cassiopaeans are familiar with the entity that was on the three dimensional level known as Paramahansa Yogananda?
A: Third density, not three dimensional. And yes, but this entity had many aliases: Thorn, Christian, Mobson Singh, etc.
Q: (MM) Where is Paramahansa now?
A: Fifth Density.
Q: (MM) Is he the Avatar?
A: That is a subjective, artificial concept of the self- styled variety.
If the purana’s and others were derived from veda’s and veda’s didn’t talk about material gods where did these gods came from in purana’s ?.
If Rama is a priest how did he became reincarnation of Vishnu ?
If Arjuna is fictional, what else is fictional - the entire mahabharat including Bhagavat Gita?. Or somebody did ‘mythisisation of history and historization of Myth’ ?.
We read in high school history lessons that people/kings who follow shiva and Vishnu fought real/intellectual battles to prove their superiority their god to each other. How is it different from other religions ?.
I wrote my thoughts ( could be wrong though) after reading the Immanuel Velikovsky book ‘Worlds in Collision’
here.. Imanuel velilovsky’s deduced from veda’s Vishnu as Venus , Shiva as Jupiter.
If Krishna is reincarnation of Vishu which is a comet turned planet, can we say Krishna is another comet ?. Obviously we don’t have the details or timelines of where it started.
Interestingly , Vishnu’s 10th avatar Kalki supposed to come in from sky on horse with knife in hand to kill the bad guys. This is also depiction of comets.
You may want to read laura’s latest book
comets and Horns of Moses for role of comets in history.
some thing to think..
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