Seeking advice

obyvatel said:
anart said:
pirataloko said:
Hi everybody

Obyvatel, if you do a search you'll find that when Laura asked the C's about this book, they told her that it was a representation about 4D.

It's not refering to 3D animals, but there can be a reflection from 4D to 3D.

Hi pirataloko, the C's said that,

C said:
A: It is a disguise for conveying truths of a spiritual
nature as well as a depiction of 4th Density realities.
Q: (L) Did he physically travel to Tibet?
A: No.
Q: (B) Sounds like he gained some inner awareness
and used a story to convey it. (L) Did he travel
anywhere?
A: Yes.

So, while they say it is a depiction of 4th Density realities, they also say that it conveys truths of a spiritual matter. I don't think this means that all the content of the book relates only to 4D. That's just my take, however.
That is my understanding too. There are some parts like animating dead bodies in the underground city which most probably refer to a 4D reality. Illion's depiction of certain eastern "spiritual" ideas and practices in the book are very accurate and relevant to the 3D reality we are familiar with. So I do not think that the whole book is a depiction of 4D reality.

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But i have to repeat, in an objetive point of view all them are the same and all them are playing their role there isn't difference, we can feel pleased with one group of animals' role and unpleased with the other one, according to our resemblance to one or other.
Attachment and aversion to one kind of animal doesn't stop being an ego jucie.
While all life most likely stems from the same Creator and each life form plays its role in the universal scale, the view which can really consider them to be all the same or equal is the view of the Creator. STS and STO could likely be considered equal in the eyes of the Creator from a certain viewpoint but as a human being in 3D we try to fight the STS characteristics and polarize in a STO direction. This may not be out of any judgment against creation fueled by self-importance but due to a personal choice. Such a choice, may manifest itself as a liking towards STO and aversion towards STS. Similarly, the liking or aversion to certain animals could be such a natural personal choice which may not necessarily be connected to egotism - though it could be.
The way I see it, one could say "I like dogs, cats ..... but I do not like mosquitoes ( I am yet to find anyone who does) " and this would not necessarily imply egotism or judgment on creation. Further one could also decide on keeping the area where one lives free from pests like mosquitoes and cockroaches for health reasons. If however someone says that "mosquitoes and cockroaches have no right to exist and I will hunt them down and exterminate them wherever they may be hiding - even if they are not causing any problems for me and others" then that could be closer to a judgment on creation - OSIT.

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When the C's talk about STS in various densities( including us), they don't seem to communicate the irritation we seem to have with "pests". It reminds me of some people I knew back in the day who never got bit by mosquitoes or had to deal with poisonous plants or animals, and always managed to stay dry in pouring rain. Rain dances may be easy, but staying dry during a rain dance? That's talent!
 
nwigal said:
When the C's talk about STS in various densities( including us), they don't seem to communicate the irritation we seem to have with "pests".
C's are supposedly at 6D which is much closer to the level of the Creator than we are. I do think that at our level we could work on the "irritation" aspect. I think it is possible to have an aversion towards pests while trying to eliminate the component of irritation.
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It reminds me of some people I knew back in the day who never got bit by mosquitoes or had to deal with poisonous plants or animals, and always managed to stay dry in pouring rain. Rain dances may be easy, but staying dry during a rain dance? That's talent!
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I have seen that some people get bitten by mosquitoes more often than others - but I did not or could not draw any conclusions from that. What is your take on it?
Dealing with poisonous plants and animals is a matter of training, skill and knowledge - osit.
Are you saying you saw people who would stay dry while they are outside in the pouring rain - presumably without any protection like umbrella or rain-coat :)? How is that possible?
 
obyvatel said:
nwigal said:
When the C's talk about STS in various densities( including us), they don't seem to communicate the irritation we seem to have with "pests".
C's are supposedly at 6D which is much closer to the level of the Creator than we are. I do think that at our level we could work on the "irritation" aspect. I think it is possible to have an aversion towards pests while trying to eliminate the component of irritation.
[quote author=nwigal]
It reminds me of some people I knew back in the day who never got bit by mosquitoes or had to deal with poisonous plants or animals, and always managed to stay dry in pouring rain. Rain dances may be easy, but staying dry during a rain dance? That's talent!
I have seen that some people get bitten by mosquitoes more often than others - but I did not or could not draw any conclusions from that. What is your take on it?
Dealing with poisonous plants and animals is a matter of training, skill and knowledge - osit.
Are you saying you saw people who would stay dry while they are outside in the pouring rain - presumably without any protection like umbrella or rain-coat :)? How is that possible?
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As to lack of bug bites, shrugging off poison ivy, nettles, snakebites, ect., the explanation I was given was these abilities are due to an increase in FRV over time, leading to changes in biochemical responses.
I don't know how it's possible to stay dry in the pouring rain, but visually it looked like a glass dome extending about five feet in diameter and 7-8 feet upwards, where the rain just slid over and down the sides. I was dry inside, walked away and got wet. The individuals who manifested this ability again explained this as an extension of their FRV into larger field. Sounds crazy, but there you have it...
 
Hi everybody

anart said:
pirataloko said:
Hi everybody

Obyvatel, if you do a search you'll find that when Laura asked the C's about this book, they told her that it was a representation about 4D.

It's not refering to 3D animals, but there can be a reflection from 4D to 3D.

Hi pirataloko, the C's said that,

C said:
A: It is a disguise for conveying truths of a spiritual
nature as well as a depiction of 4th Density realities.
Q: (L) Did he physically travel to Tibet?
A: No.
Q: (B) Sounds like he gained some inner awareness
and used a story to convey it. (L) Did he travel
anywhere?
A: Yes.

So, while they say it is a depiction of 4th Density realities, they also say that it conveys truths of a spiritual matter. I don't think this means that all the content of the book relates only to 4D. That's just my take, however.

Yes, you're right, thank you for quote/ing? the C's words exactly, i had recently reread about Darkness in the Tibet but i didn't remember correctly. Well it's refered to spiritual matter, so in the book they aren't speaking about animals in a physical level.

anart said:
p said:
And yes, our unconscious perception about the animals (souled or not) can do that we feel empathy or not according to the animal.

But i have to repeat, in an objetive point of view all them are the same and all them are playing their role there isn't difference, we can feel pleased with one group of animals' role and unpleased with the other one, according to our resemblance to one or other.

I'm not certain that this is the case. In fact, I think it quite possible, if not probable, that some animals are on the upward path and others are on the downward path. Gurdjieff also suggested such in Beelzebub's Tales. I think it's also possible that some animals are 'leaning toward' STO and some are 'leaning toward' STS, just like humans, as above so below.

I agree, with you. The subject i don't understand is what's the contradiction between my statement and yours?, that's to say (imho) that we're speaking about the same thing with diferent words

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obyvatel said:
pirataloko] But i have to repeat said:
When the C's talk about STS in various densities( including us), they don't seem to communicate the irritation we seem to have with "pests". It reminds me of some people I knew back in the day who never got bit by mosquitoes or had to deal with poisonous plants or animals, and always managed to stay dry in pouring rain. Rain dances may be easy, but staying dry during a rain dance? That's talent!

Very interesting subject to think about, if FRV is related to, obviously the evolution level or the orientation towards STO must be too.

Thank you all for your comments
 
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