Session 1 November 2025

[panoptix]

Hi @MJF: I tried to respect your highlighting, but I needed to add my own, so I used italics; if you saw both, then we agree on the topic.

I think it was this supernova that was mentioned in the:

Q: (L) Having done my homework on supernovas to some extent, and having discovered that either supergiant red stars are in the process of going supernova, or supergiant blue stars are getting ready to be ready to go supernova, as well as eruptions of massive interstellar clouds, I note that Betelgeuse, in the right shoulder of Orion, is a red supergiant, and Rigel, in the foot of Orion, is a blue supergiant, both of which could go supernova. Am I going in the right direction?
A: You have begun to trek down the right path.

Q: (L) We noticed that the supernova that occurred in Cassiopaea 300 years ago did not seem to have been widely noticed by people on earth. What is the reason for this?
A: Distance.

Q: (L) Now, formerly I asked about the ‘two new stars in Cygnus and Serpentarius’ that were written about in the Rosicrucian Manifesto of about this period of time, and you said they were talking about ‘novae.’ But, it seems that there are no new stars in either of these constellations. Yet, at approximately this time, was the supernova in Cassiopaea.
A: Yes, those with foreknowledge were looking.

I like to enrich with another source which sadly isn't available in archive.org neither annas-archive.org: two good and free resources for books in PDF format. So I'll type manually from my paper copy. (Hilarion's books had very limited print runs; I believe they were printed by his own publishing house, founded by the author and medium, the physicist Maurice Borden Cooke. Perhaps because of this, the books are available at ridiculously high prices today.) Try not to confuse him with another source called "Master Hilarion;" I think it was a countermeasure to muddy the waters.

In his first book, the physicist renders a model of physical and ethereal reality, very tied to the String Theory:

[...] The main assumption which needs to be made before space can be understood is that there is something which defines its position with respect to other higher realities. If this fact can be accepted, then all of various fields, effects motions and phenomena observed in the real world will fall into place in a single unified scheme.
The substance which defines the space of the real worlds is a tenuous material which properties of elasticity. Its basic nature allows it to stretch, to contract, to flow as a current of water does, and to carry vibrational wave disturbances. This substance permeates all of the three-dimensional matrix. There is no location in the physical universe which does not contain the substance in one of its many forms.

The discussion continues to present the æther and the failed (or misguided) attempts of nineteenth-century scientists to try to prove it existence. In the past, it seems Plato fused different theories or models, and the classical elements typically refer to earth, water, air and fire, but in Timaeus he adds: “there is the most translucent kind which is called by the name of æther (αἰθήρ).” In operative alchemy æther is a must: the famous Magnesia or Magnet of the Philosophers, needed to attract Spiritus Mundi. Modern alchemists find hard to understand the old books and treatises faced with the ignorance of this “substance.” Hilarion continues:

In essence, the scientists of that century were correct in their assumption, but they did not extend their reasoning far enough to grasp the full significance of this miraculous substance. If they had done so, they would have realized finally that all matter of every form is composed of the æther in one of its states of condensation or expansion, and that every phenomenon observed by man in the real world is accounted for by one or more of the properties of the ætheric matrix.

The dissertation goes one with an analogy of Flatland, but the final point is when he/it presents the hyperdimensional nature of reality:

The skin of the Flatland universe corresponds to the æther of the real universe. The æther is curved upon itself to define a spherical shape as pictured from four dimensions, and this hypersphere has an immense diameter, far beyond the possibility of any physical being to travel even a portion of its girth in the normal lifespan.

Right; enough with this introduction. Now I will cite from Chapters XI and XII, titled “Quasars” and “The Redshift,” and the reason behind my highlighting of the aforementioned C's session:

Quasar invariably exhibit what has been called a “redshift.” This refers to a lengthening of the wavelengths of emitted radiation which, in the visible region of the spectrum, would be detected as a reddening of the light received.
The reason for the redshift is simply that the quasars are displaced immense distances away from the matrix of three-dimensional space in the fourth dimension. In effect, the source of the quasar radiation is not “in” space at all.
Because of this displacement in the fourth dimension, the radiation coming from the quasar to the observer in three-dimensional space follows an oblique line through the four-dimensional construct, and impinges against the three-dimensional matrix at that angle. The angular impingement of this radiation results in sympathetic vibration which is excited is longer than that originally emitted due to the trigonometric relationship of the directions involved.

Now, a Supernova, a Quasar and a Pulsar (remember March 1, 1997 session: “we transmit 'through' the opening that is presented in the locator you represent as Cassiopaea, due to the strong radio pulses align from Cassiopaea, due to pulsar from neutron star 300 light years behind it, as seen from your locator”), represent distinct astronomical phenomena. In a nutshell, while a supernova is an explosive event, a pulsar is often a direct byproduct of such an event, and a quasar operates on a vastly larger galactic scale. Hilarion said:

The nature of the redshift in light arriving from distant galaxies has been misinterpreted by the early discoverers of this phenomenon. They have assumed that the redshift was due to the recession of the sources giving off the light, in the same manner as the Doppler effect will produce a lowering of the tone of a train whistle as the train passes and moves further away.
The explanation of the redshift in the light from distant galaxies is similar to that for the redshift in quasar radiation. The light arriving from distant galaxies passes along a chord of the immense hypersphere which constitutes the three-dimensional universe, and thus arrives at an angle against the local region of space. There ir excites sympathetic light vibrations in the æther, but these vibrations have a longer wavelength because of the trigonometric relationship between the directions involved.
Light cannot travel in the æther itself between galaxies. The only way that it can arrive from such distant points is by passing directly across the four-dimensional construct along a line a which is straight with respect to the four dimensions.

This chapter continues with a discuss and another example with Flatland, which, out of respect for the kind reader and my tired fingers, I will refrain from transcribing.

By the way, I wonder whether Sir Francis Bacon might be another candidate as an undergrounder and a 'Deep Level Punctuator'. He rose from relative obscurity to become Lord Chancellor of England and was one of the main drivers in the creation of the British Empire which really started with the fledgling American colony of Virginia for which he, as secretary to the Virginia Company, would write the colony's constitution that would later greatly influence the drafting of the US Constitution. Many people also think that he may have been the Grand Master of the early 17th century Rosicrucians, an underground movement and brotherhood which had a great effect on the late Renaissance and heavily inspired the Enlightenment as well as the launch of the modern scientific age, Bacon being one of the founders of the modern scientific method. Finally, he was most likely the real writer or pen behind the plays of William Shakespeare that helped to create modern drama as we known it today and are amongst the most influential written works of the last millennia. On this basis you could argue that he was more influential in the long term than Sargon the Great, Queen Nefertiti, Mayer Amschel Rothschild and even Napoleon Bonaparte if he was indeed an undergrounder and a Deep Level Punctuator. Moreover, did he really die in 1626 as claimed or did he go underground with his fellow alchemists in that mysterious enclave in the Pyrenees?

There is a reference in A Rosicrucian Notebook regarding the death of “Lord Verulam.” I know that Willy Schrödter may well be a spokesperson for the Order and this quote only an alchemical analogy of the Purple Elixir (frozen fowl = ice phoenix = cold fire), with is the Exilium Stone:

It is worthy of note that the Rosicrucian, Francis Bacon (Lord Verulam), thought by many people to be the true author of Shakespeare’s plays, centuries ago saw a frozen fowl lying in the road. He got down out of his coach, studied it from all points of view, and was struck by the conserving power of ice. Lost in thought, the philosopher himself became chilled through, contracted inflammation of the lungs and died!

Like the missing body of engineer Paul Decœur:

His death was recorded at his residence on Sunday, May 6, 1923, at the age of 84, with no descendants and no recorded profession. His remains were buried two days later in the Parisian cemetery of Pantin; unlike Canseliet, they did not wait for the new moon on May 15. Distinguished from the cenotaphs richly adorned with bronze or marble perpetually bearing heraldic symbols and lineage, burial plot 3475, pavilion 97, row 16, plot 38 no longer exists: it was a temporary concession with a maximum duration of five to fifteen years. Not even the rose could wither on his cross.

 

[neohamsa]

Merci , prenez soin de vous

 

[N1mTzo]

I think that is a big leap to make. Do we know that undergrounders immortal or do you make the assumption that because he was an undergrounder, then he couldn't have died on the island? Even if Napoleon did not die on the island of Saint Helena, it doesn't follow that the story about the doppelgangers therefore is true.

I find the story of Napoleon's doubles interesting, but a bit secondary. At least for now.
Of far greater interest is Napoleon's "family." It was quite large by today's standards (13 children, 8 of whom survived to adulthood). Were any of them also "underground" figures, helping Napoleon in the future and maintaining his "legend"?
His older brother, Joseph, seems a good candidate. Napoleon's right-hand man, during the height of his power, was elected Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge of France.
Considering the number of Napoleon's siblings, it seems odd that this young man left behind only one child (Napoleon II), who died at 21, leaving no children of his own. The genetic line was broken.
It seems Napoleon himself long believed he was sterile. Was he truly sterile? (And then Napoleon II and other children attributed to Napoleon are not his children.)
Is infertility one of the markers of "underground" members? Do they deliberately send "sterile" men/women to the surface so that they cannot leave their DNA (genetic line) and continue the family line?

PS
In one session, the C's said that there are very few real Illuminati and that they "keep their DNA to themselves."

 

[N1mTzo]

On the other hand, we have "underground" members like the Rothschilds, who have elongated skulls (their heads resemble those hybrid red-haired demigods, only smaller). And they seem to reproduce in the normal human manner; at least they have children and grandchildren.
And then there are guys with elongated skulls like Shimon Peres (Israeli Prime Minister), who also has children and grandchildren.

Napoleon, by the way, was of fairly average height and had a normal skull.

Spoiler

So we're dealing with different genetic lines. Perhaps the "underground" is also heterogeneous (including genetically), and there are several competing groups pursuing different goals (of Earth control).

 

[Gaby]

About the red-headed demigods/hybrids:

Might be the giants referenced in Giants on Record: America's Hidden History, Secrets in the Mounds and the Smithsonian Files.

From this interview:

The Truth Perspective: Giants on Record with Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman

Hidden in local archives and dusty Smithsonian reports are accounts that are all but forgotten to North American historians and scientists: accounts of giant (7 to 9 feet tall) skeletons discovered all across the country, many buried under...

www.sott.net

And then they speak of a pre-flood malevolent race of giants all around the world. The native peoples talk about them being cannibalistic and fierce with red hair.

There is evidence in the oral tradition, the Native American folklore - and it's very strong, it's very realistic - of giants existing way back then at the same time as the megafauna.

And then we find mummified remains in America, often with red hair, some of them supposedly very tall.

Jim came with us just in November previously and we had a good look at some of these and they're utterly amazing. Some of them are so large, a different amount of sutures. They've got red hair. They're like this elite culture along the whole west coast of South and Central America. I've seen them in Olmec land all over Mexico. I've seen some in North America, quite a few mound sites in North America have these skulls. Some of them are related to giants we know.

There's one area that we write a whole chapter about in the book actually, about Sonora and Mexico. Jim can talk about this maybe in a bit more detail, but there, there's an area where in the 1930s a whole lot of mummified giant remains with red hair were found up to eight feet tall I believe. This was all forgotten about, it was all covered up, the Smithsonian were involved in it.

Which, interestingly enough, is practically the same description which was brought up in "Where Troy Once Stood".

In Homer's "The Odyssey", the Laestrygonians are a tribe of man-eating giants. They are described as being of immense size and strength, with human-like features but on a monstrous scale, making them terrifying adversaries. According to myth, they are the offspring of Laestrygon, a son of the sea god Poseidon, giving them a divine lineage. Demigods, indeed.

Post in thread 'Where Troy Once Stood'

Oct 1, 2025

Cailleux's books are available here.

Here are the maps he designed based on his thesis:

Theophile Cailleaux, who wrote in the 19th Century about Troy being in England, talks about Cuba being one of the landmarks that Odysseus visited, just as Wilkens expanded in his book "Where Troy Once Stood". I'm reading his book and my impression is that his thesis is onto something. I couldn't find any solid criticisms against his books on the web, only ad hominen attacks which, if anything, proves that his thesis is worth reading. Wilkens quotes him in his book "Where Troy Once Stood"...

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Theophile Cailleaux, who wrote in the 19th Century about Troy being in England, talks about Cuba being one of the landmarks that Odysseus visited, just as Wilkens expanded in his book "Where Troy Once Stood".

Cailleaux argues that Odysseus went to Cuba and that the Olmecs and Laestrygons describe the same ancient civilization. But his idea of ancient civilization suggests that it was way before the Bronze Age. He also says that the perfect spherical stones (like the ones found in Costa Rica) were already there during Odysseus visit, and it was in reference to the Olmecs, derived from Olmos, meaning spherical rock. Olmos derived from Holm, which implies island. His "green language" decoding stems from way back before anything resembling "Native Americans" arrived into the region.

So it seems that, yes, "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" describe oral traditions from Atlantis. And you can find the same elements, whether it was Homer or Native American legends.

 

[seiw83]

Do wenus coming from arctirus ram/pisces area was i intersected by comets cluster what a hit

 

[Puma]

Thank you for the new session.

Another interesting bag or object is present in the so-called "Atlantes de Tula."

The Atlantes of Tula are a set of four colossal statues of Toltec warriors found at the top of Pyramid B (also known as the Pyramid of Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli or the God of the Morning Star) at the archaeological site of Tula, in the state of Hidalgo, Mexico.

According to archaeology, Atlantean warriors hold an "atlatl" in their right hand, which was a weapon used to throw darts with greater force and accuracy.

But what you can actually see in her hand looks more like a gun or even a purse.

By the way, archaeologists named them Atlantes in honor of Atlas, because they thought these statues held up a ceiling on their heads. Perhaps they actually belonged to the Atlantean civilization.
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[aimarok]

This EM carving technology is quite interesting. It seems that it was widely used in Atlantis times and probably for some period after its demise. The technology had to be scalable enough to be used on really fine objects like Egyptian vases made of very dense stone like granite with very high precision up to giant blocks and statues.

Independent researchers found a lot of evidence of stone machining in Egypt particularly made with rotary saws and tube drills. Though those marks suggested that instrument feed speed was so high, that no known to us instrument material could stand such strain and power required to operate such instruments would be immense.

The case of unfinished Aswan obelisk adds more details of this technology. The granite around the obelisk was removed with consistent scoop marks just like it was removed with an instrument capable of carving granite like raw clay though it's impossible to say exactly how "soft" was granite to those instruments.

Considering all this information and C's answers I can think of several ways this technology could operate:

1. Stone was "evaporated" — the most unlikely one. No signs of extreme heating were found by researchers.
2. Stone was temporarily "softened" — the most likely one. Scoop marks in Aswan quarry, trace metal (including titan) residues inside magnificent hard stone vases and enormous feed speed of tube drills support this hypothesis.
3. Stone was "teleported away" — the most sci-fi one, but it couldn't be disregarded and could be used along with softening one. There are no actual evidence for this, but this way operator wouldn't need to do any machining — just get your "purse" and get the job done.

Few years ago I watched a really old (like VHS) video where some dude experimented with electromagnetic field generators and made items made from different materials like iron and wood "smelt" together without any visible thermal damage. It feels very similar to stone softening technology. (I can't remember the name of this guy, so I can't find the video, please drop a link if you do.)

I'm sorry I didn't ask a follow-up question right away to clear this up.

 

[Mark7]

Thanks for the great session. So, the purse mystery is solved? If so, that's a huge deal. Except that clue opens up a whole new can of questions. A few obvious ones that come to mind are how much total energy can be contained in a 'purse'? What is the source/technology? How do they recharge their purses, or did they throw them away after use? The C's are probably not going to play much dice, so we are left to find out by ourselves primarily, or just wait and see. Interesting in any case.

Q: (Joe) What was the source of that directed energy?

A: Purses seen in many statues.

Q: (Chu) Purses?

(L) A pocketbook.

(Joe) Ah, so... In either South American or Egyptian stone carvings…

(L) Yeah. There's these purses and everybody's always wondering about 'em.

(Joe) So they obviously weren't purses then. These are some kind of technological devices that looked like purses?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And that was a source of the electromagnetic directed energy?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And the stones were balanced gravity…

(irjO) Can I ask a question about that? Do we know the name of these overlords?

(Joe) Well, when was that? What was the date?

A: Time reference is confused due to cataclysmic events. But approx 14,000 years ago. Redheaded demygods.

 

[Aeneas]

Independent researchers found a lot of evidence of stone machining in Egypt particularly made with rotary saws and tube drills.

For those interested in watching a recent video which summarises some of these things and with some points put forth by Graham Hancock, there is this one. It shows also the unfinished Aswan obelisk mentioned in the transcripts and the conclusion leads to forgotten ancient technology.

Hancock has previously mentioned how the methods used shows that it was like cutting through butter. The book, Fingerprints of the Gods, by Hancock shows many places around the world, with evidence of forgotten technology.

 

[Ruth]

On the other hand, Russia and China are minding their own business while the US government lies to anyone who will listen, but the worst part is that it continues to lie to itself.

Probably because the US is under the control of Israel and I don't think Russia or China are any better at 'minding their own business' although it (and it's people) definitely continue to lie to themselves.

What a sad state of affairs, the USA, a country WITHOUT SPIRIT.

All countries have 'spirits' (souls or personalities) in my opinion. Theirs has just been compromised and they're lying to themselves and the people about that.

 

[MJF]

I find the story of Napoleon's doubles interesting, but a bit secondary. At least for now.
Of far greater interest is Napoleon's "family." It was quite large by today's standards (13 children, 8 of whom survived to adulthood). Were any of them also "underground" figures, helping Napoleon in the future and maintaining his "legend"?
His older brother, Joseph, seems a good candidate. Napoleon's right-hand man, during the height of his power, was elected Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge of France.
Considering the number of Napoleon's siblings, it seems odd that this young man left behind only one child (Napoleon II), who died at 21, leaving no children of his own. The genetic line was broken.
It seems Napoleon himself long believed he was sterile. Was he truly sterile? (And then Napoleon II and other children attributed to Napoleon are not his children.)
Is infertility one of the markers of "underground" members? Do they deliberately send "sterile" men/women to the surface so that they cannot leave their DNA (genetic line) and continue the family line?

PS
In one session, the C's said that there are very few real Illuminati and that they "keep their DNA to themselves."

I think the C's said there were about 3,500 members of the Illuminati worldwide who do tend to intermarry between themselves. They would also seem to be the controllers of Freemasonry given what the C's said here:​

Q: (L) How do the Masons relate to the Illuminati?

A: Masons are low level branch.

Freemasonry would seem to have its roots in Egypt with a group called the "Osirians" according to the C's:

Session 16 October 1994:

Q: (L) I would like to know what is the origin of the Freemasons?

A: Osirians.

Q: (L) Can you tell us when the original Freemasons formed as a society?

A: 5633 B.C.

Q: (L) Is Freemasonry as it is practiced today the same?

A: 33rd degree, yes.

Q: (L) So, there is a continuing tradition for over 7 thousand years?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this organization with a plan to take over and rule the world?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) What is their focus?

A: Overseers.

Q: (L) Of what?

A: The status of quorum.

Q: (L) What is the quorum?

A: Deeper knowledge organization. Totally secret to your kind as of yet. Very important with regard to your future.

Elsewhere the C's said that the Quorum was mostly alien and the Illuminati mostly human:

Q: (L) On a number of occasions we talked about the quorum and the Illuminati. They both seem to be the highest levels of secret organizations. What is their relationship to each other?

A: Quorum mostly alien; illuminati mostly human.

So, there seems to be a certain element within the Illuminati that is not human. However, the C's have also linked the Quorum/Illuminati with the alchemists:

Q: (L) Okay, square one: Is the quorum composed of humans who have been alchemists, who are presently in possession of a substance called "the elixir of life" and which David Hudson calls "monoatomic gold?"

A: And much, much more! Monoatomic gold is but one minor issue here. Why get lead astray by focusing upon it solely. It would be akin to focusing on the fact that "Batman" can fly! Is that the only important thing that "Batman" does in the story? Is it?

Q: (L) Of course not! (R) Batman fights crime!

A: What we mean is that alchemy is but one minor piece of the puzzle.

This reference to the alchemists leads us to the mysterious enclave of alchemists in the Pyrenees who seem to have a direct relationship with the Quorum and also numbers the famous French medieval alchemist Nicholas Flamel among its ranks:
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Q: (RC) And the guy died... (L) That's interesting... Okay, change of subject. Back when we were talking about the [Money] pit on Oak Island, and you asked me to do some research on it, the answers I came up with were that the responsible group were alchemists. Is this correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was one of the alchemists involved Nicholas Flamel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it true that there is an enclave of alchemists that live somewhere in the Pyrenees...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this the group that you referred to as "The Quorum" in a previous session?

A: Partly

Q: (L) Do these alchemists use this power as talked about by David Hudson to enhance their longevity and their physical health?

A: And to control.

Q: (L) Are there people in this enclave who live for literally hundreds, if not thousands, of years?

A: Open.

The C's also made a connection between Sir Francis Bacon and the enclave of alchemists in the Pyrenees and I believe, as some researchers do, that Bacon was heavily involved in the design and implementation of the Money Pit on Oak Island and the ingenious booby trap flood system that protects it, which has so far prevented all treasure seekers from getting to the buried treasure (i.e., a TDARM according to the C's):
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Q: Seeing the unseen. You mentioned once before that the "Rosicrucians act as a thief in the night." You also mentioned that I ought to dig into the Rosicrucians, and I went to the University library, and it was essentially missing...

A: Connect the Rosicrucians to your favourite island by the "beech."* Horticulturally, please, and family.

Q: Oak Island?

A: Yup! Then, connect the Pyrenees to the Canaries.

Q: Okay, a "thief in the night." The destruction of the Templars...

*Q: Well, this is what we are looking at! I have even discovered that Sir Francis Bacon's name is even derived from "beech," and that his Latin signature has the gematria number of 17 - and January 17 is the feast day of St. Anthony, who replaced St. Augustine in this affair somewhat... and I have connected the Rosicrucians all over the blasted planet, for crying out loud! And, who is who here? Just who are the good guys?

But Bacon was not only a Rosicrucian as many link him with the emergence of English Freemasonry too. If Bacon was the real Shakespeare, then it is worth noting that the works of Shakespeare are replete with references to Freemasonry or the "Craft" as it is also known. As researchers have pointed out, only someone who was a Freemason could have had the in depth knowledge required to have included so many references to masonic ritual and symbolism as are contained in the works of Shakespeare. Alfred Dodd in his seminal work "Shakespeare: Creator of Freemasonry" itemises an almost unbelievable number of Masonic allusions in the Shakespeare plays, especially in "Love's Labour Lost". Indeed, many Baconians believe the clown parodied in Love's Labour Lost was in fact William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon. Quoting Matthew Walker in his Compeers by Night on Bacon’s links to Freemasonry:​

“As Dodd says, the body of evidence cited in his book "proves incontestably these works were saturated in Masonry." The problem is, and has always been, dual. In the first place, scholars do not realise that Bacon wrote the plays. And in the second place, in addition to this lamentable ignorance, the scholars who have studied the plays have had no familiarity with Freemasonry. When they encounter something, such as the knocking at the gate scene with the porter in Macbeth, it registers no more than light on the eyes of a blind man. But the repeated three knocks at the door, especially in connection with the association of King James I with Scottish Freemasonry, almost certainly alludes to the ritual of Freemasonry.”

So, it seems that Bacon was not only a grandmaster of the Rosicrucians but also a top ranking Freemason, which might suggest that he also had a link to the Illuminati as well as the enclave of alchemists in the Pyrenees since he was a practising alchemist too.

However, these references to Freemasonry and the Illuminati and Bacon's possible connection to both organisations leads indirectly to a connection with the undergrounders or subterranean civilisation who have sometimes gone by the name of 'The Nation of the Third Eye' since the C's have said that they were the inspiration for both Masonic lore and the Illuminati too:​

Q: (T) Absolutely. Martians are easier to accept. A lot easier to understand than densities! (L) Okay, Third Eye. What is this?

A: That is what they call themselves when pressed for an explanation by surface types, such as yourselves. They were the inspiration for Masonic lore and Illuminati, too.

So, we seem to have a slew of connections between the Quorum, the Illuminati, Freemasonry, the enclave of alchemists, the Rosicrucians and the Nation of the Third Eye with Sir Francis Bacon sitting somewhere in the middle of all this. It is not for nothing that I suggested he might be an undergrounder. It helps to know too that he was a genius and a polymath, one of the most brilliant men of his age who was really the driving force behind the Invisible College and the Royal Society in the 17th century. The fact that he should call his last work The New Atlantis, published only after his supposed death, is very illuminating too.

For those who might want to know more about Sir Francis Bacon and his links to the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons and Shakespeare's works, I attach a copy of my article Francis Bacon – The Man Behind the Curtain.

As to your contention that infertility may be one of the markers of "underground" members, well it is true that Bacon never had any children but another undergrounder certainly had lots of children and that was Queen Nefertiti who had six daughters and one son (Pharaoh Tutankhamun) with her husband Akhenaten and then one son (Isaac) that we know of with her second husband Abraham/Moses whilst in her guise as the biblical Sarah. I believe that it was her oldest daughter Princess Meritaten who was the last member of the Perseid family and who is referred to as the maid servant Hagar in the Bible. She inherited her mother's elongated head according to surviving busts of her.​